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michigan governor was on a hit list along with wisconsin governor, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. another example of anti-government grievances coming with violence attached to them. that person reporting someone broken inside and fired off two rounds. >> there does appear to be a targeted act and the individual who is a suspect appears to have had other targets as well. appears to be related to the judicial system. >> student and teachers will not
be returning to robb elementary. >> the incident commander did not have radio commune kangs and i don't know as to why. >> it's hard to believe with his own people on the ground right there, he couldn't get a more accurate account of what happened. those rain fall totals have been staggering. >> miami dade fire rescue used a lie rescue vehicle to help people stuck that their homes and cars. everybody is here to celebrate the queen. >> it's a party in london. it's going to be something people talk about for years to come. i'm pamela brown in washington. you're in the cnn newsroom. a former wisconsin judge is dead in what is being called a targeted attack against government officials. a tactical team found him
fatally shot friday in his home and the suspect with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. michigan governor's office confirmed she was on the suspect's hit list and sources say the wisconsin governor and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell were on that list. cnn whitney wild joins me. what more do we know? >> we know the gunman's name. we are trying to pour through court records to try to get some sense of what might have led up to this. we know officials are saying this was targeted attack. this all began friday morning, 6:30 when someone ran out of his home, called 911 and said there was an armed man and the person fired two shots. at the time police quickly responded to the scene. they tried to negotiate with the suspect but the negotiations broke down and so at 10:15, tactical teams made entry into the home where you mentioned, that's where they found judge
john romer dead inside as well as the suspect with a gunshot wound. this was a targeted attack. as we look at this greater threat, the real risk here is that this is an example of violence bubbling up to the surface. we have learned from federal officials for months there's a real concern among law enforcement that people are going to take these anti-government sentiments and use them as justification to carry out acts of targeted violence and the reality here is this judge represents a highly visible but soft target. that means that there's not a lot of security around some of these people who are working in government. again, this is the real major concern that federal officials have been warning about as they look at there greater threat landscape. right now we know the gunman's name. he's 56 years old. we're pouring through court records to find out what else we can learn. >> keep us posted. thank you.
>> you tweeted a former judge was assassinated. pay attention. there are no lone wolves. they have not released much information about this gunman, but what is your take on this? >> it's a confusing series of facts or what we know now. we know that law enforcement said he's been a marry or is a member of a malitia. we know he has an assassination list. it includes political and judicial figures. some we know like governor whitmer and others like this judge who most of us have never heard of before. the third piece is it's related to a judicial proceeding. we don't know what that judicial proceeding involves the m lalit man or something more generic. he doesn't like some case and
targeted the judge first. that's the specifics of this case. you have a threat environment that's been warning of this behavior. the extension of politics is now violence. our inability to resolve politics in the way that a democracy should is extending into violence and it's noteworthy they are saying he's part of a malitia and the list was political figures. it doesn't get more obvious than that in terms of an assassination list sdplp it doesn't. there are reports of the milwaukee media that judge roamer was zip tied to a chair. what do you make of that? >> this is very similar -- the case against governor whitmer fell apart because of questions about whether the fbi has lured them into it. the idea that the shot alone is not enough. there has to be some torture,
basically something that is performative. that's what a lot of these are. this is what i write about in there's no lone wolves. these killings are performative whether it's in social media with the malitia group and something like this is very similar or consistent with that notion that mere shootings, which i hate to put it that way but there's something playing out of something. we have seen this in other cases as well as the radicalism is focused on political figures and they are playing it out. we have been warning about this. it's been part of the environment for while.
>> playi ing out these sick fantasies. yesterday our office was notified by law enforcement officials that governor whitmer's name appear on the gunman's list. we will not comment further on an ongoing criminal investigation. the governor has demonstrated repeatedly she is tough and will not be bullied or intimidated from doing her job and working across the aisle to get things done for the people of michigan. tomorrower trump white house adviser peter navarro says he wants to represent himself. he railed in court against what he called the hardball tactics of his arrest yesterday at an airport. it came on the day of a possible setback for the house committee investigating the insurrection. cnn crime and service reporter
joins me now. these charges for navarro and two other key figure will not face charges. >> that's right. congress, right now, the house january 6 select committee are two for four on their criminal referrals. they are getting two people charged. two people will not be charged. it was steve bannon and peter na navarro.tempt charges. there are two others not charged. they will not be charged with crimes but navarro believed he didn't need to engage with the committee and he was out there while he was refusing to talk to the committee or help them, he was out there writing a book. going on television, giving speeches about donald trump and this effort to block the election, the ultimate result of the election. he call it the green bay sweep.
now that has played out in public and he never sat for testimony and won't be signature for testimony especially as the house goes into public hearings, he sis facing charges. they will led to trial and are unlikely to testify at there point. >> thank you so much. claims of betrayal and fear at the pents of u.s. leadership, the secret service was made aware of an alert. mark short raised alarm. he feared trump would turn against pence. trump did turn against pence. the next day, trump supporters built a mock gallows outside the capitol and some people who breached the building infamously called for pence's life. >> hang mike pence.
hang mike pence. >> last night cnn spoke with the reporter who broke this troubling story. >> this is extraordinary moment to think there's a chief of staff to a sitting vice president so concerned about the potential threat that is being created by a pressure campaigne president is jarring. mark short had a conversation with the lead secret service agent saying what you said that the president was going to turn on pence and they might have a security risk. short as i understand it, did not have a sense of what that threat could look like. i don't believe, based on my reporting, he envisioned what we saw on january 6th, the way we saw it. he did realize that former president had supporters who are very reactive to him and acted, responded to things he would say and he could see one person, two
people, three people, several people doing something that could be problematic, safety wise for the vice president just based on this pressure that the former president was exxerting. >> secret service is pushing back saying it had no knowledge of that conversation according to people with first hand knowledge. there was never any physical threat of any kind communicated about the vice president. i spoke to mark short about six weeks after the attack and he did not speak of security concerns leading ing up to the the steal rally. here some of that conversation. >> walk us through what was going on behind the scenes. let's start with days before january 6th. the push for pence to over turn the election results and any concerns about violent protests on that day? no, i don't think there are concerns about violent protests leading into it. i think we have shared pretty
openly that the vice president had a strong viewpoint as to what his role was that day. i think that's been supported by many institutional scholars. i think the president was getting bad advise. i think the president's language was encouraging people to march to the capitol and i think there was a lot of frustration for a lot of people, including us who have concerns about the election in 2020. i think there's a lot of tragedies that happened on january 6th. a lot of tragedies and particular those who lost life and the violence that occurred and the attack on the capital. in some ways, i think the american people were deprived the right to hear a debate that happened in the november election. >> of course, because of the riot there at the capitol building, the january 6 committee has its own questions to asked. short will likely be called to testify at thursday's televised congressional hearing.
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i want to bring in democratic congressman. he revealed the whistle-blower report. congresswoman, thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you. i'm delighted to be with you. >> i want to go to the sound from president biden earlier about this week when he discussed this issue. let's listen. >> i don't think anyone anticipated this impact of the shutdown of one facility in the abbott facility. it was accurately shutdown because the formula was questioned in terms of its purity. once we learned of the extent of it and how broad it was, we kicked everything into gear. >> the abbott plan is responsible for 43% of production of formula. that was shut down in february.
president biden said he didn't understand how big the shoutdown would have until april. how could the white house have not anticipated this before april? your reaction. >> understand, pamela, right now there is no requirement for the company to make known that there is a problem. whether it's a contaminated product or anything else that was going wrong. they don't have to report that now, which is something in the legislation i introduced yesterday that makes it a requirement that they must report in realtime what is happening. i understand what the president is saying. i would have thought as well, to be very honest with you, that the food and drug administration, the fda would have alerted the white house to what was happening here. i look at two things.
i look at a shortage of the supply and i look at the safety. i look at a manufacturer who really it's contemptible to sell a product knowingly that is contaminated and then a government agency that drags its feet for four months before this product was recalled. neither the company nor the agency had a contingency plan to address, as you pointed out, abbott has 43% of the infant formula. that's got to stop. >> abbott defended i ed itself g the formula has been tested and the bacteria was not found in the formula but found in the
surface of the lab. you have been investigating this issue and the response. the fda received the whistle-blower letter in october. then didn't interview the whistle-blower until december and -- the end of january. what have you learned about why the fda was so slow to act on this crisis. >> when i first heard about this in reading the newspaper accounts, what i immediately called for was an inspector general's investigation which is under way. then will let us know about what the fda didn't do, what they did or didn't do, what the manufacturer did. we can look to see where the culpability is and my view is let us proceed with this investigation and let the chips fall where they may because people have to be accountable.
it's interesting. let me step become on the time line that you laid out. in september of last year there's been suspicions in an audit that there was potential for contamination. then you get the whistle-blower's report. when i called for the inspector general investigation, i had not seen the whistle-blower's report. when i received a copy of it. it defies imagination when you're looking at falsification of records on testing. actual ly giving false information to the food and drug administration about what they found. a lack of traceability on the product. lack of cleanliness. that report went in october and the fda sat on it until december. >> on that note, at the time, the fda was led by dr. janet
woodcox. she received the whistle-blower complaint. have you ever talked to her about why officials fail to act on it for months. the report is really alarming. these are allegations and there's an investigation going on. this is what people are feeding their babies in america. >> that's the heartbreak of this is parents are -- first of all you have the supply problem. it's not there. what do you feed your child and you had this experience. then is it a safe product that i'm feeding my child. the heartbreak of that, i have spoken to so many mothers who are at wits end traveling all over the state of connecticut, traveling where ever they are to get the product in addition to
being fearful of what they are feeding their infants. it's remarkable and it really is outrageous that the agency that is charged, the fda is a regulatory agent. you read this report and you don't believe you should investigate it immediately. they have no answers to that. you ask, i have not spoke to dr. woodcox, and i just add this, that is real problem at the fda. food safety is a second class citizen. the fda deals with drugs, with tobacco and it's my view that we either need to have a single food agency and i introduced legislation on that score or we need to have a deputy commissioner there whose only responsibility is food safety with the authority that they can carry it out and has the responsibility and someone who has relevant food, nutrition and
food safety experience and have the credentials. they don't have that at the moment. >> you have put forth several bills do address this issue. i think a lot of us were surprised that only a few companies have the market share of formula production. if one shuts down, you have this ripple effect and compoundsed by other issues. i'm curious because some of the legislation it gives more resources to fda. the fda was shown miscommunication. it's shown mishandling of this crisis. what gives you the confidence that giving them more power, more to the fda would make a difference? >> we shouldn't have a consolidated producer.
that has to be broken open. it needs to be competition. when one of the players is out and somebody who has 43% of the market, you get the shortage that you have. fda needs to be restructured. we need a component that's just food safety handled by someone who understands it and has the kre credentials the deal with it. the issue is one of supply which meant we have to go to europe to get product to bring in. they have nine people to do
that. my view is short term view is while we're trying to get product in as quickly as we can, that we must have personnel that can deal with the applications, do the inspections so that we know we have the product and that it is safe. >> all right. we will continue to cover this very important issue. thank you so much. >> thank you. take care. have a great weekend. >> you too. you're in the c thnn newsro. i'll talk to a doctor with unique insight into the gun violence epidemic. he's been shot himself. no, he's seizing the moment with merrill. moving his money into hihis investment account in real time and that's's... how yoyou collect coins. your money never stops workikig for you with merrill, a bank of america company.
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back now to the disturbing news out of wisconsin. police say the murder of a former judge in his home was targeted killing and the suspect had a hit list of other wisconsin government officials. that list included michigan governor gretchen whitmer and mitch mcconnell. the judge's death is the latest in the escalating gun violence epidemic. more than 18,000 americans have been killed by gunfire this year. this week president biden renewed his calls for gun reform including raising the minimum wage to buy an assault weapon if it can't be banned. >> look, i know for some folks will say 18-year-olds can serve in military and fire those
weapons. that's with training and supervision by the best trained experts in the world. don't tell me raising the age won't make a difference. >> among those adding their voices to the debate are gun reform -- on gun reform are health care professionals. dr. joseph is a trauma surgeon at johns hop kins and is a gunshot survivor. thank you for coming back on the show. you were just 17 when you were shot. tell us what happened and how that experience shaped your perspective on this issue. >> thanks so much for having me again. look, i come to this conversation as someone who is a survivor. at a age of 17 i was nearly killed after being shot in the throat with a.38 caliber bullet. that inspired me to become a
trauma surgeon so i can give other people the same second chance. every day i come face-to-face with the horrific reality of gun violence in our country. we as health care professionals have had to deliver babies to mother who is are dead from gun violence. we've had to operate on children that are barely clinging to life because of guns not being safely stored. like my public health colleagues across the country and so many americans, i'm sick and fired of the death and destruction we continue to see. we need to do something, pamela. >> you see it first hand. you see it first hand in your job in the emergency room. do you go into work and say, i'm probably going to see victims of gun violence today because that's what you see so often? >> that's the thing. we often talk about gun violence when we have these mass shootings that happen across the country. the reality is, every day in
cities like baltimore and chicago and philadelphia, we have young, brown and black men, we have high school students, we have pregnant women that are being slaughtered on our streets. this is not a random thing that pe periodically happens. you think about what's happened over the past couple of weeks and the tragedy that we continue to see as we wake up day after day in america to the slaughter of chirp in schools with military style assault rifles. absolutely unacceptable. none of us should accept this. >> yeah. i still cannot wrap my head around it, wrap my heart around what happened at that elementary school in uvalde, texas and these mass shootings the weapon is an ar-15 style rifle.
you know first hand the damage a weapon like that does to a human body. >> yeah, when you look at comparing an assault rifle to a willing, there's a couple differences. the first is it's substantially higher speed and velocity. there's two important factors that happen. the first is, you're going to have a cavity that is created called a permanent cavity. that's the path of the bullet but the second is this temporary cavity. if you can imagine a boat that's traveling across a body of walk, that creates wake behind it. the faster the boat goes, the bigger the wake. that's very similar to what's happening in these bullets that are being fired from these assault rifles. they create this significant amount oftr transmitted to the tissue around it and that causes significant tissue destruction. it's devastating.
you can imagine what that would do in a little baby and a child where it's just absolutely horrifying the type of dismemberment, the type of damage that you're going to see is just horrific. that's evidenced by the fact that parents in uvalde had to submit dna tests because probably some of their children were not recognizable. just think about that for a second. the fact that parents were asked for these dna tests and couldn't identify their own kids. >> that's just beyond, i can't even go there. i don't want to start crying on air again as a mother with two young kids and having to do that. i also think about the kids that were injured. it was high number of kids that were sent to the hospital with injuries from the shooting and first of all, that's incredible that they weren't killed based
on what you just described. also, what their future looks like now after having been jijirp -- injured in this way. >> absolutely. talk about recovering from the physical and mental trauma. the long term impact that those experiences are going to have on these kids for the rest of their lives. there are school children all across the country that arer terrified of what's happening in america. in 2018 there was a survey that was done and 75% of people age 15 to 21 said that mass mootings w -- shootings were a significant source of stress. i want to say one more thing. it's so important to separate
this from what people are trying to push as violence being a mental health issue. the majority of people with a serious mental illness are more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators. we need to make that clear. >> that's a really important point we try to emphasize that on this show as well. thank you so much. we'll be right back. welcome to the next level. this is the lexus nx with intuitive tech... (beeps) car: watch for traffic ...and our most advanced sasafety system ever. ♪ ♪ only at vanguard you're more than just an investor you're an owner. that means that your priorities are ours too. our interactive tools and advice can help you build a future for the ones you love. that's the value of owrship. hitting the road, not all 5g networks are created equal. t-mobile covers more highway miles with 5g than verizon.
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after the deadly mass shootings in uvalde and buffalo, president biden and democrats are calling for new regulations. many republicans are offering alternative ideas. harry joins us to run the numbers. why do democrats and republicans seem further apart on guns than ever? >> because they are. they are. that's the answer. it's really that republicans have run to the right on gun control. we can look at the polling and see that quite well. the pugh research center back in 2000, do you favor gun rights over gun control. democrats basically the same. republicans, that percentage doubled from 38% to 80% that favored gun rights over gun control. you can see that right now. chris jacobs who is an upstate congressman from the buffalo
area was run out of town. said i'm not going run for re-election because so many runs w -- republicans were upset with him. it's republicans who have moved. not democrats. >> abortion is another issue with the wide gap among party lines. what reaction have you seen to the possibility that the supreme court will over turn roe v wade? >> backlash. that's the word i would use. would you consider yourself pro-choice or pro-life. there's a lot of different ways to ask about abortion rights. last year you saw a split in this country. 49% said they were pro-choice. 47% said they were pro-life. look at the question now. this was just asked last month after that leak of that potential supreme court ruling that may come later this month. look at this. the vast majority position, 55% to pro-life. that's the highest percentage who said they were pro-choice this century.
you have to go back over 25 years to find a higher percentage of americans who said they were pro-choice. i might suggest that there could be a significant backlash if this poll gives us any indication of what may happen. >> let's talk about prices at the pump because that effects so many of us day-to-day. can you tell us about the new data about the surge at the pump? >> i could tell you what every american is feeling who owns car. >> with already know, right. >> we already know. this helps put it in a historical context. i'm not only interested in absolute levels. i'm interested in changes. those are the things that voters notice. this is the yearly change in avenue reasonable gas prices at there point going back the last 28 years. 57% increase. there's nothing anywhere close to that in the last 28 years in the mid term cycle. this is literally off the charts. i counterfeit all t-- couldn't
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