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and don't miss jurassic world:dominion in theaters june 10th. more mass shootings in america. >> i think this can happen anywhere. >> as families from uvalde mourn. >> how much more carnage are we willing to accept? how much more before we say enough? >> will joe biden's call to action get anything done in a split senate? plus, the january 6th committee goes primetime with promises of new revelations about trump's plot to stay in power. >> our democracy is at stake. we have to defend our democracy. >> will americans sit up and pay
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attention? is there an economic hurricane coming? the president admits there are limits to what he can do to fight inflation. >> the idea we're going to be able to bring town the cost of gasoline is not likely in the near term. >> "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. politics." i'm abby phillip. in uvalde, portraits of grief are impossible to escape. the funerals of the 22 victims began this week, and makeshift memorials continue to grow at the scene, bringing family and friends of the victims, even mariachi bands comforted the grieving. since uvalde, though, 12 days ago, there have been at least 26 mass shootings in this country, including in philadelphia just last night where three people were killed and 11 more were wounded. and now, families are calling on
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washington to do something to curb the seemingly endless stream of gun violence. on capitol hill, senators are considering small changes, like addressing mental health and joe biden is demanding a lot more. >> after columbine, after sandy hook, after charleston, after orlando, after las vegas, after parkland, nothing has been done. this time that can't be true. this time we must actually do something. the issue we face is one of conscience and common sense. >> and joining me now with their reporting, sung min kim, molly ball, hans nichols, and cnn's melanie zanona. so biden's speech was a reminder that this -- we've been here before, we've seen this show before. but in a lot of ways, he had to say something. on his list of things he wanted
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to do were a laundry list of things democrats have wanted for a long time. a ban on assault weapons, raising the aim to purchase an assault weapon to 21, ban on high capacity magazines, gun manufacturer immunity and addressing the mental health crisis. but what is the point of the speech give than so many of those things really are not likely to be even on the table for negotiations right now? >> presidents always have multiple audiences when they're speaking. the president here, who is clearly talking to his base and a grieving america, who are concerned about gun violence. he had a smaller message and maybe less of it toward senate republicans. it's the first time he's weighed in, sort of in this -- i don't want to say strategic pause, but democrats want to give republicans the space in the senate to come to a deal. the president encroached on that a little bit. there's still some positive
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momentum happening on the hill, and it's still possible to have manage done on the smaller side, things that everyone can agree to. >> what is the risk, though, that republicans just seize on that speech and say oh, he's making it political, even though -- these are obviously the positions of democrats for decades now. >> yeah, there was some concern, and i think we did see some hesitation in the white house. he didn't come out with this speech right away after the school massacre, because there's always a concern that any time a president steps into an issue, yes, he has the bully pulpit, but he has the power to polarize the issue against him and his party. there's this sort of equilibrium in washington where anything the democrats are for, republicans are against, and vice versa. as hans was saying, for the sake of his base and a grieving america, it had got to the point, and with another shooting
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happening the morning the president made this speech, he had to say something. so it was an attempt to lay out what we already know democrats are for, without enflaming the issue by going so far that it would scramble these talks in the senate. it would be surprising if they get anywhere, but the idea was to weigh in without inflaming those talks. >> yeah. i think when people are looking at this wondering okay, are we really going to get somewhere here? an interesting thing that happened this morning, an ad taken out in a texas paper by 250 republican donors, really aimed at senator john cornyn, saying to him, we'll back you up on doing more on gun violence. not sure how that's going to play, but take a listen briefly to how mitch mcconnell and cornyn, his appointed negotiator, are talking about in this latest gambit. >> first and foremost is keep
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guns out of the hands of people who are mentally ill or criminals. to me, that should be a point of consensus. >> mental illness and school safety are what we need to target. >> where are we on what republicans are willing to do? >> it's still early in the discussions. we expect negotiations to heat up next week when they're back in town. we're talking about really small tough, even the red flag laws, would be a bill to incentivize states to create red flag laws, not mandate it. so when you drill down in the details, there are still sticking points. how much money do we need to allocate for it? so they are sticking to a small universe. on one hand, that is a good sign for a deal. democrats have made it clear to accept less to get a compromise. but talks could still fall apart, as we have seen time and time again on capitol hill. >> a couple of days ago, a
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republican lawmaker from new york came out and said, i'm for an assault weapons ban, a few days later he says he's not running for re-election. it seems to say where you can be as a republican related to gun control right now. >> i think the struggle for the republican party has been that the voters who are so passionate about the second amendment and gun rights, they send to be single issue voters. so they will come out and support the candidate on that specific issue, and that energy among those two are major proponents of the second amendment, that's been the struggle for republicans to be able to get on board with some gun restrictions. so that's why if there is an agreement, it's going to be important how the republicans will be able to sell it. for example, for john concrnyn, he's going to want to be able to tell follow republican lawmakers but to voters that this isn't a
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major expansion of gun regulations, but making sure the current system works and we're enforcing current law. that's how he's been able to promote previous gun restrictions that he and chris murphy worked nonthe past. >> you're going to see this week in the senate and the house testimony, potentially powerful testimony from victims and survivors of some of these recent shootings in buffalo and uvalde, including one of these really young children who survived by covering herself in blood in one of those classrooms. take a look at what has happened just over the last few years. you'll see this incredible pattern after columbine. a spike in interest in gun control after sandy hook, a spike in interest after park lar parkland, and that spike goes back down.
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democrats are trying to interrupt that cycle by having these hearings. how effective do you think that will be? >> it's clear the american people have been galvanized by what happened and republicans feel some political pressure on this issue. i don't think you would see republicans coming to the table if they weren't hearing from even their conservative constituents, that this feels like it's gone too far, that something -- it feels like something has to be done. however, as mel said, the initiatives being considered are very small and incremental. do amount mostly to strengthening existing regulations. nobody think that even if they pass the democrat's dream pack an that it would make a meaningful dent. so if you are talking about legislation that are mainly symbolic, the question is, do you want to pay the political price for that on the other side? because there are a lot of single issue voters who see any attempt to regulate anything in this area as problematic.
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>> yeah. something is better than nothing on this issue. >> what's interesting about your chart is i would -- if you drill down and you really zero in, how flat is it? how long is the public attention on this you are shoe? i think that's what the democrats are feeling. they know the trajectory, they know which way it's headed. they just think they have a moment here. that's partly of what they're aiming for, they're trying to seize the opportunity. >> i think -- it's interesting to me after a lot of these shootings, you'll see republicans only wanting to talk to the families and survivors who are not interested in gun control. but there are many other survivors and others, who want congress to do something and who will say to them that not doing anything is not an option. but coming up next for us on another topic, investigating the insurrection. what are we going to learn at
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we're going to learn a lot more about former president trump's push to stay in power. the committee that's investigating will hold its first big hearing this thursday night in primetime. >> i've got no doubt that reasonable minded people are going to look at this and say this was an organized hit on american democracy. >> the hearings are expected to include a combination of live testimony and taped depositions, including from members of the trump family and former top white house officials. and that includes cassidy hutchinson, who was a top aide to mark meadows. and hutchinson has testified already at length about things that went on inside the white house. and her testimony could end up being one of the more bombshell, you know, revelations.
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i think a lot of the things we learned have seemingly come from her. >> right. >> what more can we expect, seung min, from these ised a lo american people. can they deliver >> they're setting high expectations. but we have learned a lot from the reports coming of the of this committee so far. but they promised there are more, and there is a reason they're put thing front and center in primetime. i also think there's a different element of seeing these people testify in person and the impact that has. we talked about cassidy hutchinson, the very valuable witness for the january 6th committee. she's expected to not only testify in person during the hearings, but videotapes of her testimony, of her private discussions with the committee are expected to be aired according to the sources that my colleagues have talked to.
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there is power in hearing those words, especially hearing for example her testify to the fact that mark meadows had told people around in the white house that president trump had talked kind of approvingly about the hang mike pence episode, which is still astonishing to think about. >> and the testimony alone, there really wasn't testimony in the last impeachment. >> they're thinking about it in terms of how to make a splash. they're scheduling hearings in primetime, a multimedia presentation. they're really thinking about this in the terms this is playing out in the court of public opinion as much as anything else. and the challenge to the committee is, can they make the american public care about the threat to democracy the same way they care about gas prices and school shootings and inflation? >> can they make them care? but even if they don't, there is a mandate for history here, that
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i think they think they have. how real is that? >> yeah. the committee's job is first and foremost to find the truth. it's not the affect the next election or to convince people of anything. but it is to tell the full story of what happened, we know they interviewed hundreds of people, gone through thousands of pages of documents. it resonates with me, because a lot of what they have to do is take all this information and synthesize it and tell a story. turn it into a narrative art that people can understand, and to sort of highlight that emotion, that first-person emotion that people were feeling, right? as seung min was saying, the power of people two were there, who felt in realtime the panic and the fear of what was happening. and then, you know, to make the case that this was not a sort of spontaneous eruption, right? that this was a coordinated
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attempt. >> melanie, you have some really excellent reporting about what's happening on the other side. former president trump wanting his supporters to back him up. and some republicans are thinking maybe that's not necessary, but trump wants that. >> trump has reached out to his allies on capitol hill and said i want people out there defending me and pushing back on the shelect committee. they've answered the call. house gop leader kevin mccarthy, two has been coordinating the effort. elise stefanik has begun to preview the message, saying it's a partisan witch hunt, it's all political, blaming speaker pelosi for the security failures, and jim jordan and jim banks are going to be planning.
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most republicans think there's not a need to push back. this is mostly for an audience of one. they think they're better off pivoting to other issues. >> a senior republican told you, we just need to reinforce the narrative that democrats are obsessed with trump and aren't interested in dealing with the problems of the present. most americans are not talking about january 6th. and really they're not. >> you don't meet a democrat in town that don't think this is the most important and crucial work they're going to be doing in this congress. they want to lay out a historical predicate. but on the politics of it, this is their last moment to convince the public of what happened. as to the counterprogramming point, what we're all talking about here, will the programming break through? we're having a question about that. >> the counterprogramming.
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>> right. this isn't a state of the union where you give a state of the union and two to the state of the union response. none of us watch the response to the state of the union, right? >> and certainly the american people don't remember it. >> the counterprogram is going to be tough. >> the justice department decided this week to hand down contempt charges for steve bannon and peter navaro, but not mark meadows and dan scavino. now, democrats not too happy with that kind of mixed bag. what does it say about how the doj is willing to engage on some of these issues coming out of oh january 6th committee? >> i think it was mark meadows that would have been the tougher call. if there is anyone with a claim to executive privilege, it is
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almost certainly the chief of staff. people like peter navaro, when he's claiming executive privilege, it was a tougher sell. >> and meadows engaged with the committee. >> exactly. so that made it tougher for the justice department. but you're right, not just democrats, but the republicans on the january 6th committee very much disagree with that decision. they said it made it harder for them to get information. so we'll see what the impact is going forward and what kind of impact that has on the committee. >> yeah. you're hearing frustration from the january 6th committee and rank and file democrats who have been frustrated for a while. we'll see where that goes. coming up next, gas prices are headed towards $5 a gallon nationwide. is there anything that joe biden can do to win back voters who are worried about inflation? en g at your tired old bath, we fit your style, with hundreds of design options.
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to food. >> i mean, they're in a tough spot, and biden knows it. he's been in this spot for quite some time. what's the point of giving these speeches, what are they trying to accomplish? are they trying to convince the american people that things are better than they feel like it is? >> i think the one thing that the white house was trying to do with the op-ed and with the speeches is to tell voters that they do have some sort of a plan and a strategy. but i think at this point, especially in a midterm year where his -- the democratic party's fate will be determined so much about the state of the economy and how people feel about it, it's not helping at this point. democrats are kind of frustrated and say at this point, you can't convince voters that things are great, because they're not, especially when it comes to gas prices and other issues. you have to make this a contrast election, tell voters this is what we're doing, but this is
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what republicans would do if they're back in charge and you have to prevent that from happening. the white house is starting to do that more, particularly joe biden, but it's not in his dna. so it's a tough task going forth to the midterms. >> there are two bits of news. the president's big economic plan and you have janet yellen saying i was i don't think on inflation. what do you think is going to get more play on republican attack ads, janet yellen or the president's op-ed? we all know the answer to that. >> let's play that moment from janet yellen earlier this week with our own wolf blitzer. >> i think i was wrong then about the path that inflation would take. as i mentioned, there have been unanticipated and large shocks to the economy. >> you can tell there, she's not a politician, because she said "i was wrong."
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>> this is janet yellen, honest to the data. >> there was an interesting bloomberg article about an upcoming book that said that she wanted to reduce the size of the stimulus package because of concerns about inflation. she came out yesterday actually to deny that she wanted to reduce the price of the stimulus package, but not that she was confirmed about inflation. the book said privately, yellen agreed that too much government money was flowing into the economy too quickly. i don't know, maybe call it a little bit of buyer's remorse, but hans, you said this is going to be a gift to republicans. but it's also just acknowledging the reality that something went wrong between last year and this year on the inflation front. >> yeah. number one, this is an admission not just that certain people were wrong about inflation, but the white house was not listening to these voices inside
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and outside the administration. there was not much of an internal debate at the time beyond this reporting that we're seeing about janet yellen sawing we should bring down the price of the stimulus package. but the white house continues to deny that their policies had anything to do with the inflation. they don't believe their po policies had anything to do with it. so that's the problem with the argument they're having. so it's very hard for joe biden to come out. he has to seem like he's focused on this issue, but there isn't much he can do. so he comes out and gives this mixed message that says things are better than you think, but i'm really trying to tackle this issue that is causing you pain, i feel your pain, but there's not much i can do. so it's very difficult, i think, for him to convince people that he's not helpless here.
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>> i will say, it is hopeful to have expectations, and i think we have seen democrats do that, as well. saying we can't just snap our fingers and fix this problem. it's almost refreshing to hear in a way. but there's also the risk of making this administration look like they are powerless, and it feeds right into the republican narrative that the administration is inept, so it is this tricky balancing act for biden and the white house when it comes to messaging. >> they're also battling a lot of atmospherics around the economy. you have jamie dimon warning there's a recession coming. elon musk saying, i have a bad vibe about the community. i have a super bad feeling about the community and is cutting 10% of tesla's jobs. and you had joe biden responding to him. >> musk has talked about that before, and increasing through investment overwhelmingly. i think ford is building new electric vehicles.
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6,000 new union employees. intel has added 20,000 new jobs making computer chips. so lots of luck on his trip to the moon. >> i do want to just bring one more thing up, and then i'll let you guys respond. this issue of bad vibes and the economy is driving a lot of this. this is a chart of the question asking people, how do that you feel about their finance and how they feel about the economy. in 2019, 75% of americans felt pretty good about their own finances. 50% said they felt pretty good about the broader economy. by 2021, that gap has gotten huge. it's almost a 50-point gap. so much of that is just vibes. people saying i feel fine, but
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the economy is crappy. >> it's a feeling of instability. the reason people elected joe biden was to get back to normal, before trump years and because of inflation, because of the economy, people feel like they're still on the roller coaster. so i think that's -- that's a big part of people's sort of sense of foreboding. even if you have plenty of money in the bank and a steady job, the fast food mace down the street is closed two days a week because they didn't get workers. or things are out of stock on amazon. so people feel like even if their personal finances are decent right now and jobs are not a problem, the economy is just not quite working. >> yeah. main street doesn't seem to have bounced back. >> if consumers don't feel
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confident, if business owners, if they don't feel confident, you'll have a contraction. how people feel does matter. i would say broadly, we'll know who is right between the president and elon musk. this isn't an answer that's not knowable down the future. we'll have earnings calls and ceos will come out and say do you agree with elon or the president? we'll know and we'll know before november on which direction the economy is heading, at least in this context. >> what's so hard -- what is so hard for the administration is the one thing where prices have gone up so much, which is gas prices, the prices are plastered wherever you drive. it's the one product where you see how much it's going up every day. that does not help the vibe situation that we are talking about here. >> given that nasa has given the
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a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. just five days before the end of the recount, david mccormick has conceded to celebrity dr. mehmet oz in a pennsylvania senate primary. mccormick hoped that mail-in and overseas ballots would put him over the top, but it was not enough. the trump-backed candidate's victory was less than 1,000 votes. oz will now face off with democrat john fedderman, who is still off the campaign trail after suffering from a stroke just days before the election.
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it's oz now, melanie, and as far as sum republicans were concerned, this is fine. but will what will mean for a general election? >> it's going to be a tight race. pennsylvania is a true purple state, and it's going to come down to the fire, really. with this race in shar, we're seeing how fedderman is trying to portray oz as a celebrity, a phony, doesn't live in the state. >> this is a bumper sticker that the fedderman campaign is selling now for $6, which is a pretty hefty price. dr. oz from new jersey, and it says at the bottom, fedderman for pennsylvania. so they're already going after oz, carpet bagger. >> and republicans are going to try to portray fetterman as a radical, welcome to the bernie sanders wing of the party. so will republicans use his
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health against him? that we haven't seen yet. dr. oz is a doctor. i think he is a specialist in cardiology, and so it will be interesting to see how they go there. >> just to give people a little background, fetterman is recovering from a stroke. he had a heart procedure done right after that stroke, and put out a letter from his doctor, who apparently he last saw prior to this week five years ago. and the doctor said, i told this guy to take his medicine and change his lifestyle and he didn't do it. and now here we are. so fetor inman in his statement says, like so many others and men in particular, i avoided going to the doctor, even though i knew i didn't feel well. as a result i almost died. i want to encourage others not to make the same mistake. some republicans are saying this guy lied about his health condition. the fetterman campaign is saying i really like all of you guys,
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who also haven't been to the doctor in five years. >> look, you don't need meet democrats in town that aren't worried about fetterman. he had a serious health issue, they weren't entirely honest, and that's a problem for any campaign. in all the reports that's come out, the most interesting thing is that some of the campaign taf didn't know he had the procedure when he had it. if you're not telling your campaign you're going in for mayor cardiac surgery, that suggests that the campaign and the candidate aren't on the same page and that can be a challenge when you get into a tight election where there will be a lot of close calls and snap decisions. you want everyone on that same page, and that's a problem. >> how does oz play this? >> it will be interesting, as mel was saying, if they try to make an issue of it at all.
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it's going to depend a lot on what happens. does he come back on the campaign trail? does he look and sound as good as new? is he able to proceed? it's not the kind of thing you want to make into an issue in that case. but does he, you know, do or say or seem any way that sort of gives ammunition to the idea that something else is wrong or that he's not being honest in some way? i've been asking a lot of democrats, given that this recount or potential recount took so long to sort out, who would they have rather faced? i think it was a tough one. >> it was a toss-up. >> whether they would rather face oz or mccormick. we saw them advertise during this period of uncertainty. now they're going to go after oz as a snake oil salesman, someone who is not right for the state. i have been asking democrats, and most of them say they would have rather faced oz. but the fact that he's such a
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a weekend of celebration for their longest serving monarch as queen elizabeth marked 70 years on the throne. the queen's only public appearance during the four-day platinum jubilee was on thursday. she and four generations of the royal family greeted thousands gathered outside of buckingham palace. and in her absence, the jubilee events still continued from the service at st. paul cathedral to the derby, to a star-studded concert outside of buckingham palace last night. cnn's max foster was there for all of it, and he joins me now from outside buckingham palace. max, really incredible show of force for the royal family in the uk this weekend. what does this mean for the queen, the longest serving monarch? but is this, perhaps, the end of an era for the uk? >> reporter: we're not going to see another event like this. will we see another jubilee? that's what's sort of playing on everyone's minds here.
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i think for the queen, every ten years she gets a taste of genuinely how popular she is. that is at a jubilee. and we saw last night the mall here absolutely full. it's estimated that when it's full like that, there are about a million people. most of those weren't here with tickets, just here to be part of the atmosphere. i think for her to have seen that would have been very heartening, indeed. a lovely update from her granddaughter yesterday when she was asked how the queen was. she said she's well and on her sofa, in comfy clothes watching the tv. so, she is engaged in all these events, watching them on tv, even though she's unable to attend them herself. prince charles, as usual, stepping in for her, giving the big speech yesterday. a huge responsibility, really, to speak on behalf of the nation. he described his mother as the mother of the nation. so, awareness that he shares this huge public figure with the
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nation. and also camilla was standing next to her. she will be known as queen consort when he becomes king. so, when you talk about legacy and what this means, frankly, transition is always at the back of people's minds, including the queen's minds. so, everyone's ready for it when the inevitable comes. >> i think if there's any conversation about the waning of the monarchy, i think a million people on the streets really says something a little bit different. i did want to ask you, max, about what we saw over the last couple of days, which is the return of prince harry and meghan markle to the uk after a year of, frankly, very public family turmoil. how did that go? >> well, it's interesting. i read a piece on this for the website. sitting back and considering it. a lot of people, you know, were very focused on this moment, the
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sussexes coming back into the royal fold and how they would handle that. and i think, you know, frankly, they're not as popular here as they are in america, and there's a lot of upset, i think, when they turn their back on their roles and responsibilities. i was outside of st. paul cathedral, which was their major appearance. people cheered when they came. i asked people about that. what i discovered is there are a lot of critics of the sussexes and also gave them a lot of credibility for coming over and showing respect for the queen and putting their differences behind them. because of the protocols, they were sitting with junior royals, their kocousins, not william, s that's where the tension is. there might have been an attempt to have some meetings behind the scenes to resolve their differences with prince charles, prince williams, but i think that's going to be the interesting bit. but to see them back in the
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royal fold was very symbolic. and i'm sure that was heartening to the queen because it caused so much upset for her when they left and the subsequent interview with oprah winfrey. >> thank you for all of that. enjoy the tea and the once in a lifetime celebration over there in the uk. >> reporter: thanks. >> that's it for "inside politics sunday." coming up next, "state of the union" with jake tapper and dana bash. jake's interview is lead negotiator on guns, senator chris murphy. tonight on cnn go inside the watergate scandal with woodward and bernstein and the watergate prosecutors and the man who turned on nixon, white house counsel john dean. the new cnn original series "watergate:blueprint for a scandal" premieres tonight at 9:00 on cnn. thank you for sharing your
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