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you're in the "cnn newsroom." just in to cnn, south korean and u.s. forces launched eight surface to surface missiles a short time in response to the missiles that north korea launched. the third since south korean president yoon came into office. let's get manier from barbara starr. what is the significance? >> reporter: the u.s. and south korea pursuing the policies of a public response to north korea's continuing missile launches. the north koreans on a fast pace all of this year. now with eight short range ballistic missiles fired on saturday by north korea the u.s. and south korea jointly responded. it's monday morning over there.
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firing eight surface to surface missiles and according to a statement from south korea the firing response is to demonstrate to north korea that they have the capability to immediately strike with precision if needed. this is one of the key things the u.s. feels is important to do when north korea does this. there's been these responses before and continuing with them to send a message to north korea. is north korean leader even listening? does he care? we may get a better sense because this week lloyd austin goes to asia and in singapore expected to meet with the chinese counter part to talk about china and taiwan but coming to north korea china may be the one voice that the north
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koreans listen to. austin would be expected to make the case that north korea needs to stop with the missile launches because the ultimate goal is to develop a ballistic missile that some day potentially could strike the united states, the u.s. is determined not to let that happen. pamela? >> do we know anything more about why now xlpointed out tha this is to send a message but north korea is doing a spate of launches. why did the u.s. choose now after the latest one yesterday? >> reporter: what we know behind the scenes essentially for those who track this sort of thing there's always this sort of menu if you will of military response options that the south koreans
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and the u.s. discuss. i think it's fair to say it's the pace that north korea has been going at. even if these are short range and don't work the worry the u.s. has is with every launch the north koreans learn something. even a test failure by our standard they learn about how to make the missiles be thor why the hope is to discourage them. might be more of a hope than a strategy if you will. there's not anything i think it's fair to say that north crayns change the policy any time soon. >> thank you for the latest. >> reporter: sure. american public could learn more about donald trump's push to stay in power why committee
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investigating the january 6 riot takes the public hearings to prime time this thursday. they collected more than 135,000 documents. the hearings are expected to include live testimony and taped depositions and from members of the trump family and former top white house officials. zachary cowent joins us now. we've been promised testimony and documents. what can we expect? >> pamela, the hearings are the super bowl for the committee. they have been committing the investigation for almost a year and now they get a chance to state the case to the american people. we have learned about former president trump's efforts and those close to him like mark
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meadows but the committee said they have evidence to put donald trump at the center of the effort to overturn the election. one said donald trump was a the center of a coup. take a listen. >> do you think january 6 was an attempted coup? your opinion. >> personal opinion? >> yes. >> by president trump to be clear? >> yes. there's awareness and talking about things that are untrue. propaganda. it is apparent some points president trump knew what was going on. right? if you have meetings within the white house, individuals that you pay out there doing lawsuits, the 64, 65 lawsuits, pushing this on social media which the commit tee i think will concentrate on, look at the message pushed by president
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trump himself you start to see the pipeline of information that's damaging and pushing stop the steal. >> members of the committee said similar to what he was saying there and the first hearing is setting the tone and a summary of the findings to the american people. comes down to whether or not it convinces anybody on the fence and we'll see if the committee is unto that task. >> we shall see. thank you so much. let's bring in legal analyst eli hoenig. what are you expecting? >> there's so much we know about what happened on january 6. importantly the weeks and months leading up to it. the biggest unknown is what is donald trump doing and saying during the three plus hours in the white house. i think we have some indications. did nothing affirmative.
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some people around the former president said he was gleeful when this was happening but we need a second by second to the extent to recreate it. >> "the washington post" is reporting that former meadows aide cassidy will play a key role in the hearing. do you expect to hear from big names inside the trump circle? >> no. i don't. burr i think people like cassidy hutchinson can give vital information. you look at cassidy hutchinson who worked in the white house and a mike pence adviser. they're not blindly loyal to donald trump and i can tell you that kind of witness can bring a
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case home sometimes more effectively than the next level insider. >> speaking of big names justice department decided not to prosecute mark meadows and dan scavino. what do you think about that? >> i think it's confusing to people. people are looking at this saying four different people defied the subpoenas. two indicted. two did not. why could that be? one could be because of the strength of the executive privilege defense. they probably have stronger claims than the two people charged but i don't think the executive privilege are particularly strong in any event. and then the fact that meadows partially cooperated until he stopped and scavino lawyers went through the motions to negotiate.
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i think that's a pretty thin basis to split hairs but i think that's why we ended up with the confusing outcome. >> just really quickly, the idea we heard from congressman nadler that perhaps they're cooperating with doj. >> i think it's very, very unlikely that's the case. i cooperated dozens of witnesses. rule number one is the person has to tell the truth and plead guilty. we learned on friday they're not charging meadows and scavino. there's no indication they are cooperating. i think that's not the case. >> so speaking of doj, what about wanting the committee's transcripts? doj has asked the committee for
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them. does that seem reverse to you? >> yeah. backwards. typically as a prosecutor you want to and should and do lead the way. prosecutors have much more powerful tools than a congressional staff can be. look. the committee has done remarkable work and seen damning revolutionings and doj is playing catch up when you want to be on the lead here. >> all right. i want to dig in to the look at the text messages turned over by meadows to the committee. the big takeaway and more than 20 republicans pleaded for him to call off the mob that da i. you have ingram, the president needs to tell people to go home. mulvaney, stop this now. can i do anything to help?
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the president needs to stop asap. donald trump jr., he's got to condemn this s-word. reince priebus, tell them to go. how significant are those messages? >> those messages drive home crucial points. members of congress, senior advisers and family members understood as this was happening they stormed the capitol for donald trump and only donald trump could call them off. i think we'll see it's not only did he do nothing and knew and understood that he was the only one to stop them. >> all right. great to see you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. up next, the united states reeling from yet another senseless cycle of violence. gun violence.
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wounded in michigan. one dead and one injured in georgia. in kentucky, one person killed and another injured at a shooting at a funeral. in phoenix one perhap killed and eight injured in a shooting outside of a strip mall. my next guest wrote in the book he is quote responsible for selling millions of guns. former firearms executive and author of "gun fight" ryan bessi joins me now. you grew up with guns in kansas. why have guns become so culturally important in the u.s.? >> thank you for having me. i grew up with a gun culture that they were part of the youth.
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i hunted and target shot with my dad and my brother, so many friends. it was really a positive hinge. there's also this gun culture now developed since barack obama became president in 2008 but really a hateful conspiracy driven racist driven gun culture on the fringes and that is the part of gun culture that's taken over much of the politics and spurred many people to mashlg on january 6 and part that's controlling the politics now. >> how are they able to do that? if they're a fringe why were they able to control the politics? >> much like a loud minority of what i think americans control the right side of the politics so too are minority gun owners controlling the politics of guns
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which is very intricately involved in the politics of the gop because they're loud and good at what they do and excellent at drumming up conspiracy theeories and gettin people frightened. >> do you think that they are preys on people's fear? >> i don't only think that but creating fear. i heard so many things in the industry as president obama began to lead in the polls in twerve that sounded similar to me to the precursors to qanon and rewriting the constitution and barack obama is going to outlaw hunting ammunition and doesn't want you to defend the home. sounded insane to me. so when i heard qanon theories i thought i know where it started.
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>> so you call the gun industry a wild and secret ifr society why what do you mean by that? >> it is very similar to a very badly gerrymandered congressional district. only pulled one direction. if anybody steps out of line t they're trolled and so you end up with a culture that's very monolithic, tends to accept conspiracy theories, pulled in the extreme direction and what you see in the politics of the right and it all started with the politics of the nra. >> i asked republicans to come on the show to talk about guns and they won't but i -- they will talk privately. i have heard from them talking
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about the constituent who is are very loud saying the fist thing on the mind will they take the guns in washington. that is the prevailing issue for them. what do you say to the opponents of gun reform who say this is my right protected by the second amendment and the federal government it is a slippery slope and will lead to my guns being taken away? >> a couple things. what you report from constituents is why this issue is so difficult. they hear background checks poll at 80% and why can't we get those passed. because the politics of gun radicalism are woven through the dna of the gop. it looks like a pebble but it is attached to a boulder which is
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the dna of the republican party why what i say to people that believe those things we have to balance the rights with responsibility. there's nothing anti-gun about background checks or red flag laws. that's just pro responsibility. we don't live another area letting a freedom in the constitution which the second amendment is but we won't view any of those freedoms as absolute that will undo the democracy. >> thank you. interesting hear the viewpoint. we appreciate it. >> thank you. my his book is available now. some republicans have railed against the investigation and the capitol riot but others say
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and don't miss jurassic world:dominion in theaters june 10th. january 6 committee set to hold live public hearings in prime time this thursday. it is the cull my nation of nearly 1,000 interviews. the targeted republican response will be overseen by kevin mccarthy and resources say stefanik will coordinate the response. i want to bring in two guests.
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great to see you, gentlemen. what do you think? are the live hearings holding significance or for show? >> i think there's a line in between. i don't think that the question that are they for show or hold significance is the question that should be asked. yes, many people still care about the fact that many republicans, many of the base republican voters tried to overthrow the government. we had an insurrection. that is a major issue but with inflation, with the fact that we have had these rash of mass shootings in the country, many americans have the attention pointed elsewhere. i'm intrigued to see how the hearings captivate the country. it still matters to many people but it matters how they
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captivate the attention. >> scott, a former congressman spoke about the relationship with your party. >> you were a republican congressman. >> uh-huh. >> do you still consider yourself a republican? >> i think the party left me sometime ago. i don't. i think that's something that i've had to grapple with behind the scenes. what i have seen is pushed me that the party moved to a cult of personality. it is insane what people put the arms around. >> so it is things like stop the steal and the party of trump. >> i think it depend on what the hearings say. candidly we know what happened. i think they may fill in the
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details here but not a ton of mystery on this and the person at the center is not denying it. he doesn't believe the 2020 election was fairly held. he's not resisting. i don't know if there's a lot of mystery left to solve. where i think this is moesz likely to manifest is in 2024 if trump runs and becomes the nominee. you will have the same voters that turned against in 2020 but related to the midterm i think there are other issues in the country that seem to have taken the attentions and doesn't seem that voters holding trump against rank and file
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republicans for other offices. >> i want to so i recollect l back. some republicans view the investigation as an extension of the russia probe and the two impeachment proceedings to take down donald trump. do you think democrats have lost credibility by overplaying the hands in the past? >> clearly the answer is no. i don't think that this investigation and these hearings have anything to do with russia or the probe or anything of the sort. democrats played the hand appropriately then and now. but it's vastly different. but i think that we can all agree that coming off of buffalo, texas, philadelphia last night or even south carolina last night or tennessee last night or the night before. blame it on my heart and not my
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head or my head and not my heart. >> and lexington, kentucky. >> there is a lot going on for americans to consume and the only point about the hearings is that january 6 is more than an albatross around the necks of republicans and anybody saying the election is stolen and many candidates running for senate or governor. look at pennsylvania. there's so much going on and -- >> yeah. >> let's talk about guns more because, scott, there's a new cbs poll showing broad bipartisan support for some gun control measures. 81% support background checks on all gun buyers. why do republicans not support
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policies that so many americans are for? >> well'll see what happens here. i have a suspicion that talks in the senate are serious. i don't think by the way it is solved this week. i think it takes most of the june work period and seems that republicans are looking at something that's targeted. i don't think you'll see sweeping changes but conceivable to see things targeted to what republicans would think that would -- if we do "a" that prevents "b." people represent constituencies that don't want any changes in the gun laws. in congressional district it is way things are drawn there's not a lot of appetite for changes. i think that explains the politics of it.
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do i think there's room for movement? i do. >> all right. targeted. we'll have to see potentially what that looks like. out of time. thank you both. the president of the united states is known as the most powerful person in the world but coming to solving domestic problems the president can seem powerless. we'll discuss. and find t the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider if an oralreatment is right for you. oral treatmes can be taken at home and must be taken wiin 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk for severe disease,
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it is the final day of the platinum jubilee marking the 70th anniversary of the queen's coronation. seappeared on the balcony earlier today. she thanked the british people in a statement saying when it comes to how to mark 70 years as your queen there is no guide book to follow. i'm deeply touched that so many people have taken to the streets to celebrate my plat fume jubilee. and celebrate they did. for days london's streets have been live with throngs of the queen's supporters.
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>> reporter: coronations, royal weddings and jubilees. thou thousands took place. this one on a very aptly named street. >> elizabeth street. and queen elizabeth has got to be done. >> come here way to the street party. >> reporter: it is a party for all ages from military veterans to much younger residents. how do you describe this punch for an international audience? oh! this puppet speaks mostly gibberish. >> he said he likes jubilee with lots of work. >> reporter: the street has notable shops, including hatter to the royals and all part of the celebrations.
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>> i'm owning the salon across the road. we had an atmosphere so it's come across really well. >> reporter: street parties are about uniting the communities. it is a moment to break bread or in this case sandwiches, and publics, of course. >> cheers! >> happy platinum jubilee. >> reporter: anna stewart, cnn from elizabeth street in london. >> just how much power does the u.s. president have in a crisis? is the presidency broken? that debate next on "c"cnn newsroom."
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tonight the biden administration is facing crises on multiple fronts. record inflation. record gas prices. a baby formula crisis. covid. and now a gun violence epidemic that seems to be continuing to be spiraling out of control. amid this the president's message seems to be getting pessimistic about what he can actually do. >> the idea to be able to click a switch, bring down the cost of gasoline is not likely in the near tomorrow nor with regard to food. we did everything within our power. >> what more can you do on guns via executive action? >> not much. >> it's easy to question the wisdom of the president making the admissions. cnn writes biden is bolstering
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perceptions. the frankness is no comfort to americans looking for answers. we want to explore the question does the president have a point? are the struggles a sign of a problem with the office of the presidency itself? my next guests had the argument before. ryan wrote about the powerless presidency in the obama administration and matt had an article arguing that the presidency is not powerless and ryan is wrong to claim it is. they join me now. good to see you now. >> wow. like the ghost of the columnists' past. >> remashing the beef you had. i'm kidding. i know that you have a mutual respect. different viewpoints on this issue. ryan you stand by what you said
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back then. what do you think? attributing the president's self possessed inability to fix the problems through the limitations of the office rather than the president himself. >> sorry about that. >> so typical, right? >> i know. i think that the president -- most presidents suffer from one big problem sen that is expectations. h they campaign on things they often know they won't get done and realize in the office the presidency is not as powerful as in performance lar culture and washington debates as people think it is. and they let people down. it is not the worst thing in the world for a president to be frank about the limits of his power. the president is co-equal with congress. unless the president has big
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partisan majoritities in congress presidents don't get much done. it is really all about congress. think of lbj as we think as a great president to twist arms and convince the other side to do his -- vote for his legislation. he had massive democratic majorities and then when he lost the majorities he couldn't get anything done. i don't think there's anything wrong with president biden being honest about the structural role of the presidency or nature of the powers. >> what do you think, matt? do you disagree? >> i do disagree. every president is dealt a hand they have to play. average presidents and most presidents are average and let circumstances define the presidency but effective presidents are able to drive the
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agenda and able to reinvent themselves and flip the script. '82 and '94. the problem joe biden has is he's dug himself a hole. i don't think he was the communications savvy to extricate himself from that hole, but the key point i would reiterate is joe biden is not a victim of circumstance. it was not inevitable that he would get in the problems he has gotten into. a lot of them were choices, and i still think that a president who had better skills would be able to extricate themselves and turn it around at this point. >> so want to delve a little bit deep near that. go ahead, ryan. >> well, i think this is probably what you were going to ask anyway, pam, but what are the skills that a president could have right now, any
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president, any party, republican, democrat, green, libertarian, independent, that would fix inflation and convince ten republicans to pass the democratic gun control agenda? i don't -- i don't know who those skills are. he's facing a structural problem on those two, you know, currently big issues. same problem he had when democrats tried to nationalize or codify "roe v. wade" or when they tried to pass voting rights or when he tried to pass the agenda he campaigned on, build back better. there's no magic wands to get votes from the other side, and there's no -- communication is very limited. one example, sorry for hogging up so much time. one example. one of the senators working on the gun rights legislation, a democratic senator, said they don't want joe biden to enter
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the debate in the senate because they know that will turn off republicans, so that's how hard it is in a polarized environment where the act of talking about the legislation and inserting yourself into the negotiation repels the same people you need to attract. what is the fix for that, matt? >> well, first off, this is the nfl, not for long is what it stands for. joe biden's a pro. the republicans are pros. every president, i'll grant you we live in some very polarized days, but presidents are used to opposition and the good presidents are able to somehow rise above it and succeed. you know, you asked me how joe biden can fix the problem now. well, first of all, he sowed -- he laid the groundwork for his problems a year ago with the afghanistan withdrawal which was
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the cratering of his popularity where he lost the political agenda to impose his agenda and i think he fundamentally misread his mandate. if you look at a lot of these problems, including inflation that you mentioned, sock of you i grant you is the product of supply chains or things like that but i think some of it is the product of his agenda and of misreading his mandate. at this point it would be hard to dig himself out of this hole. the first step is to do something big and bold and maybe just symbolic. fire chlain, his chief of staff. if your team loses and you're trying to be the dallas cowboys and every season you lose, the first thick you should do is fire the coach because you can't fire yourself if you're the owner. you fire the coach, it sends a signal that we're going to change the culture. we're going to change the organization. biden is letting things happen to him. he doesn't have to. he could seize control of his
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own white house. >> so what do you think about that, ryan? i know you've got some thoughts in this proposition from matt to fire his chief of staff, to cause a shake-up. >> well, my question to matt, you know -- matt and i are old friends. my question to matt was what -- how would -- how could he personally fix inflation? he can't, right? so i think being honest about that is not a bad thing. we want our presidents to be honest and firing ron klain i promise you is not going to fix the inflation problem. firing ron klain is not going to get ten republican votes in the senate for gun legislation. you know, the president is not all powerful. he doesn't have the votes for a lot of his agenda in congress and on the big issue that americans care about inflation matt is right. the arp, most economists will
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say, contributed to inflation. we probably would have had serious inflation anyway but arp does seem like it increased inflation. at this point though he doesn't have any control over that issue, especially in the months before the mid terms. the best things that presidents can do if they want to get a lot of stuff done is make sure they have 60 votes in the senate and a majority in the house. >> 15 seconds, matt, because we've got to wrap up. >> well, let's see where to go. look. i think that every time a democrat is in the white house we have this discussion. when jimmy carter was discussion we said or talking heads said the job is just too big for one person rick the last time ryan and i had this fight, barack obama was president and here we are begin. i think that actually the buck stops there. presidents actually do matter and i think it's a copout for us to say, well, what are you going to do? you've got to the have 60 votes. no, their job is to get things
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