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rubio, at robb elementary school. >> lexi received the good citizen award and was also recognized for receiving all as. at the conclusion of the ceremony, we took photos with her before asking her to pose for a picture with her teacher, mr. reyes. that photo, her last photo ever, was taken at approximately 10:54 a.m. to celebrate, we promised to get her ice cream that evening. told her we loved her and we would pick her up after school. i can still see her walking with us toward the exit. in the reel that keeps scrolling across my rem memories, she turns her head and smiles to acknowledge my promise, and then we left. i left my daughter at that school, and that decision will haunt me for the rest of my life. >> these are american stories.
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now the people at the center of them are begging and pleading with their elected leaders to do something and do something now. a bipartisan group of u.s. senators has been trying to strike a narrow, modest deal on gun reforms, one of the lead negotiators telling me in the last hour he is cautiously optimistic that they can get something done. despite ongoing talks on capitol hill today, it is still legal in most states for an 18-year-old to buy a semiautomatic weapon. josh campbell went to a gun range to show us just what such a weapon can do. >> they are known as assault style weapons. and have been used in some of the country's deadliest shootings. from uvalde, tulsa, and el paso, to parkland, san bernardino, and sandy hook, it has been the weapon of choice for many of the killers. >> line is hot. >> the los angeles police
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department demonstrates an ar-style semiautomatic rifle for us on the department's gun range. >> you have a 16-inch to 20-inch barrel. you have a stock that is shouldered. you're going to be accurate at farther distances. as opposed to a pistol. >> not to mention, like some other weapons, it can fire a bullet with enough power to pierce soft body armor. something the sergeant knows first-hand. >> it's definitely an automatic weapon. >> he took assault weapons fire in the now infamous 1997 north hollywood shootout where two bank robbers wearing body armor fired on police for nearly an hour, injuring eight people and 12 officers including the sergeant. >> you're being hit with pieces of the vehicles we were hiding behind, asphalt, radiator fluid, felt like we were being stung by bees. >> that shooting changes policy, profiting the lapd and other departments to upgrade their own weaponry to counter the increasingly powerful guns used by assailants. that firepower from weapons is
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studied inside a ballistics lab at wayne state university, where researchers simulate a bullet's impact on a body. >> a block of 20% gelatin meant to represent the human tissue. >> watch as cynthia fires a handgun round at 1,000 feet per second into the gelatin block. >> you'll see the bullet come in on this side. you see this temporary cavity happening. that expansion is what happens in the body and then it collapses down. >> now watch as a team fires a round from an assault rifle. >> we see a lot more disruption. this round actually breaks apart. it doesn't exit, so it's about 3,000 feet per second. and all of that energy goes into the soft tissue. we have a piece of plastic here to reflect to do the videos, and it actually lifted the plastic up off the table with the energy. >> an aftermath photo of the handgun round shows a relatively straight line through the tissue. exiting the other side. but not so with a round from an ar-15. >> it basically goes into the body and creates an explosion
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inside the body. >> trauma surgeons say the wound from an assault rifle can be catastrophic. the worst part is in a child, all the vital organs are that much closer together. so each of those bullets causes, you know, irreversible damage. >> in uvalde, texas, families were asked for dna swabs to help the authorities identify their children. >> as a mom, it really affects me, right? because i cannot imagine having a child endure this. >> with high capacity magazines, suspects can shoot for much longer. now, the discussion about high capacity magazines largely centers on reducing the amount of time a suspect can fire without having to reload. as a former fbi agent we were trained to quickly get your weapon reloaded and back up on target, but for a suspect, for example, who isn't trained, you can see using this training weapon, that is a process. it involves removing the empty magazine, obtaining a fresh round of ammunition, loading it into the weapon, charging the weapon, getting it back up on target. those are all precious seconds
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where victims can be fleeing. the gun can jam, or the suspect could be engaged by law enforcement or bystanders. knowing the damage that sustained firepower can do, researchers hope their critical findings lead to awareness. regardless of where one comes down on the gun control debate, it's indisputable the assault weapon causes significant damage inside the body. >> definitely. but this is the reality. this is what's happening. >> now, jake, although the justice department says that handguns have been used in most mass shootings, it's important to note the deadliest mass shooters have opted for this ar-15 style weapon. you can see why. that ballistic demonstration in our story shows you the disastrous impact this weapon can have on the human body. jake, this weapon that was designed originally for the use by soldiers on the battlefield is now causing unspeakable carnage here at home. jake. >> josh campbell, thank you so much. >> let's bring in cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta to get the
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other end of this coverage. sanjay, today, a pediatrician on the hill described witnessing what he calls the carnage in my hometown of uvalde during the hearing. take a listen. >> what i did find was something no prayer will ever relieve. two children whose bodies had been pulverized, decapitated, whose flesh had been ripped apart. that the only clue to their identities was blood spattered cartoon clothes clinging to them. clinging for life and finding none. >> explain, why are bullets from rifles such as an ar-15 or an ar-15 style weapon so much more destructive to the human body than others? >> that's hard to hear, jake, first of all. it's all about the energy of the round. you know, and what's interesting is that it's not even necessarily about the size of the round. size of the bullet. some people think it's a bigger bullet. not necessarily. they can be smaller bullets. it's about the velocity.
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velocity times the mass of the bullet, but it's just going so much faster coming out of one of these ar-15 type rifles that overall the amount of energy that is then transferred into the body is much, much higher. the process that josh was talking about is something known as cavitation. it literally causes cavities within the body. whereas a handgun, for example, much less energy, will go straight through, a linear line, a bullet sized line through that. what the rifle, because of that energy, it creates that cavity instead. >> you have witnessed injuries like these first-hand when you were in iraq covering the war there. tell us what you saw. >> yeah, you know, when i was in iraq, you may remember, that was during the time there was a ban on these types of weapons. we weren't seeing a lot of these types of injuries here in the united states. so the first time for me was really on the battlefield, and it's tough to describe even. you know, limbs really kind of
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blown off, people who came in initially into these devil docks camps, the medical camps where i was reporting, a lot of times you couldn't tell was it ozfirearm or an ied. that's how significant the injuries were. i ended up operating on somebody who had been shot, and it went through the kevlar of his helmet and landed through the skull, into the brain. just to give you an idea, again, of the energy of one of these bullets. that is the big difference. >> you talk about, quote, an emmett till moment in your essay today on, for folks who don't know, emmett till, if they remember, he was the black teen that was violently murdered in mississippi in 1955 when he allegedly whistled at a white woman, although that's supposedly -- it's actually not true, he didn't do that. his mom, till's mom, famously insisted on an open casket funeral for him, to quote, let the world see what i have seen,
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and those photos did -- they were published in a magazine. what are you hearing in the medical community about ar-15s and the desire to show the american people what they do so the news media and the government is no longer sanitizing this as these massacres happen? >> this is a big point of discussion within the people that i have been talking to in the medical community. there is no consensus on this. there are people who believe these types of images, as with emmett till, might make a huge difference and others who think maybe not. where there is consensus is, it has to be the family fundamentally that is making this decision. i mean, emmett till's mom in that case, it's tough, jake. you heard that pediatrician describe some of what they saw in that classroom. i mean, if you listen to his words very carefully, it's horrific to think about, to add the imagery to that would be a lot for people to absorb. even for medical people. but i think again the consensus is it has to be a family's very
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personal decision. >> you note that you think that we in the united states should be treating gun violence as a public health emergency. explain. >> well, look, if you look overall at what constitutes a public health emergency, sudden incidence of increase in violence, injuries, and death. we are certainly seeing that. over my career as a trauma neurosurgeon, the numbers have gone up significantly. but if you look at the united states, for example, compared to other countries in the world, many people, they know this data, but it's not even close. u.s. ranks first among large high income countries. 13 times greater than france, 23 times greater than australia. but for children now under the age of 19, this is the leading cause of death. i mean, it's hard to believe that. in part, because automotive accidents have come down to some degree over the years, but gun violence, gun related injuries have gone up significantly. that's part of the problem. if you look at the cdc's website, there is a dashboard
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for covid. understandably. there's now a dashboard for monkeypox. but there's still not a dashboard for gun violence and gun related deaths. still very hard to collect this data, as i found writing the article. news reports, media reports, things like that, local reports. people cobble together to create this sort of data. we're not treating it like the public health emergency that it clearly is. leading cause of death right now for kids is this. >> absolute disgrace. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. >> gold medalist simone biles, mckayla maroney and others among the gymnasts seeking a billion dollars from the fbi for their agents having ignored the sexual abuse complaints and allegations against larry nassar. the next step in the gymnasts' long fight for justice. >> then the eyebrow raising comments from an nfl assistant coach about january 6th. why the house select committee might want to pay attention. lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you become an expedia memember, you can instantly start saving on yourur travels.
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. moments ago, president biden arriving in los angeles for the summit of the americas, where he's expected to unveil a new economic partnership. the summit is for every nation in the western hemisphere, but this time, the u.s. chose not to invite venezuela or nicaragua or cuba, and several leaders are protesting their absence by coycaughting the summit. kaitlan collins is in los angeles ahead of the speech. is the absence of the mexican president hanging any sort of shadow over the event? >> a huge shadow, really, jake, because of course, president biden is hosting this year. that means the united states gets to decide who is invited, and they chose not to invite those three countries saying they believe they were not going
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to invite dictators to this event, and that's what caused the president of mexico to drop out. he had been threatening to do so, and the white house wasn't quite sure whether or not he would live up to the threat, but he did this week by saying he was not going to be attending the summit of the americas if all of the leaders were not invited. the white house finds themselves in a place where they're trying to talk about lofty goals they have while here talking about reestablishing u.s. leadership, solving and working on issues like climate change, recovering from the pandemic, obviously migration is top of the list, but it's hard to do that when the president of mexico is not even here. and the white house is kind of trying to downplay those absences and said instead those governments are sending deputies in their place, but it is still going to make it difficult for them to put on this front of american leadership back in the region, given a lot of those leaders of key leaders of places in the region are not here actually present. one thing i should note, jake, is of course the leader of venezuela was not invited, neither was ininterim leader.
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president biden did just speak to him as he was on his way here. the president will be meeting with the president of brazil while he's here, who is famously close, of course, to former president trump. it's going to be a pretty awkward meeting given president bolsonaro is questioning whether president biden won the 2020 election, but the white house says expect them to have a candid conversation. >> one of the focuses of the summit is, of course, migration, which is a big issue in the united states right now. can there be substantive accomplishments on that issue if the president of mexico, our neighbor to the south, is not there? >> i think that's why there's such skepticism as people are coming into this summit knowing that's really the dynamic. that the white house is arguing that yes, there can be progress despite that. they pointed to the fact that the president of mexico is coming to the white house next week, but this issue of immigration is obviously one of the ones at the forefront. it's something every president has dealt with, with migration.
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you see there's a caravan in southern mexico right mau. they say they're coming up to the southern border of the united states, so this is something that president biden has dealt with, given there's already been an influx of migrants at the border, and that is a big discussion here, but of course, jake, now the president of mexico will not be present for those discussions. >> i knew what you meant. kaitlan collins, thanks so much. >> searching for justice. what will it take for the people meant to protect u.s. gymnasts to be held accountable for allowing dr. larry nassar to continue to sexually abuse hundreds of gymnasts. they're trying to find out. stay with us. raise the jar to all five layersrs. raise ththe jar to the best gelato... you've ever tasted. talenti. raise the jar. hybrid work is here. it's there. it's everywhere. but for someone to be able to work from here, there has to be someone here making sureverything is safe. secure. consistent.
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in our sports lead, the biggest scandal in the history of athletics. today, more than 90 women and girls sexually abused by convicted child molester and former team usa gymnastics doctor larry nassar are seeking more than a billion dollars from the fbi. the gymnasts say investigators could have ended nassar's abuse and protected them and other victims had fbi agents not mishandled the case, claimants include simone bilesckayla maro. and as jean casarez reports for us, authorities now have six months to settle the claims before a lawsuit can be filed in federal court. >> the fbi on official notice. >> we have been failed and we deserve answers. >> 90 female athletes victimized by disgraced doctor larry nassar seeking more than a billion dollars in damages from the agency in administrative claims,
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a required step before a lawsuit can be filed. >> i blame larry nassar. and i also blame an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. >> the fbi's indianapolis field office was notified in 2015 that nassar, a longtime team doctor for u.s. olympic gymnastics and michigan state university, had sexually abused female gymnasts. >> i then proceeded to tell them about london and how he would sign me up last on his sheet so he could molest me for hours a day. i told them how he molested me right before i won my team gold medal. >> the fbi interviewed the athletes, but according to an inspectors general report, senior officials, quote, failed to respond with the utmost seriousness and urgency. made numerous errors, and failed to, quote, take steps to mitigate the ongoing threat
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posed by nassar. >> i am haunted by the fact that even after reporting my abuse, so many women and girls had to suffer at the hands of larry nassar. >> the inspector general also found the fbi supervisory special agent made false statements to investigators, in an effort to minimize or excuse his errors. >> what is the point of reporting abuse if our own fbi agents are going to take it upon themselves to bury that report in a drawer? >> nassar was convicted in 2017 and sentenced up to 175 years in state prison. >> imagine feeling like you have no power and no voice. well, you know what, larry? i have both power and voice and i'm only beginning to just use them. >> the department of justice declined multiple times to prosecute the fbi employees involved. it would not comment on these new claims, but the fbi has previously condemned the conduct. >> the actions and inaction of
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the fbi employees detailed in this report are totally unacceptable. >> the fbi can now respond to the athletes' claims. if they are not settled in six months, the attorneys representing them can file a lawsuit. >> it disgusts me that we are still fighting for the most basic answers and accountability over six years later. >> attorney john manly out of california has stood by the side of all of these victims from the beginning, pursuing for them justice. they have been at this for a long time, many of these women were sexually assaulted when they were in their teens. now, we are 2022, and they are finally asking the fbi one last time possibly, we deserve justice. jake. >> jean casarez, thanks. here to discuss, sports analyst
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and usa today columnist christine brennan. olympic gold medalist mckayla maroney released a statement about why they're filing this claim. it reads, my fellow survivors and i were betrayed by every institution that was supposed to protect us. i had some hope after we poured out our hearts to the u.s. senate judiciary committee and begged for justice. it's clear the only path to justice and healing is through the legal pros. we all remember that incredibly powerful hearing last year. it is stunning that the fbi did not choose to prosecute. what's your reaction to this? >> it's so reprehensible, jake. it's been going on for years and every time you hear about this, every time we talk about it, jean's report, you just get angry all over again. what this nation failed to do for these women, forget for a momen they're heroes and you're cheering for them, it's the red, white, and blue, and they're
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winning medals and they're great role models. forget all that, american women, girls and women, to be failed so miserably by everything. u.s. olympic and paralympic committee, usa gymnastics, justice department, the fbi. it was two weeks ago the justice department decided not to prosecute the two agents who so egregiously tabled this horrifying news that they heard in 2015. allowing perhaps another 100 women to be abused by larry nassar before anyone woke up to what they were hearing in indianapolis before making a phone call to michigan. the most basic fbi work failed to do it, and then the justice department fails to prosecute them. this is why we're seeing this lawsuit today. >> take a listen to what three-time olympic gold medalist aly raisman told me last year. >> i think there needs to be an investigation of the fbi, usaga, and also looking at the interplay among all three organizations because if we don't have answers, then we're
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relying on guesswork, and people that enabled our abuse might still be in positions of power. so saying that you're sorry or we will never forget this will happen again, it's not enough. those are just empty promises. >> it's really interesting that she cited in that interview three organizations that she wanted there to be an investigation of. one was usa olympic committee, one was usa gymnastics and the third was the fbi. >> right. the failure there is, again, extraordinary. it's brithtaking, you kind of can't believe what these young women, they did the right thing. they called the fbi. they called the authorities. they said, help, and the fbi failed to help them. u.s. olympic and paralympic committee did have a major investigation. all new leadership of the usopca lot of the bad people are gone. the people who were involved in
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this. usa gymnastics had about four different leaders, still concern about that, but there has been a change. i'm not saying it's over, but there are new people. the fbi, though, again, one was let go of the two agents who blew it back in 2015. one was let go, the other retired. and these women continue to have to fight, and when they do this, jake, as you know, they talk about how this plunges them once again into the horrors of larry nassar. so we as a nation are making them relive this so that they can fight these battles and hopefully get justice in the end. >> yeah, they're fighting these battles for future generations of boys and girls, and it's a shame that we rely upon them to do and can't rely on our leaders to do it, but god bless them. they're american heroes. >> they are. they absolutely are. i covered a lot of them over the years, and their wr wonderful people. of course, simone biles with the conversation about mental health. so they continue to lead and be the conscience of their sport and all sports and reminding us of the good in them as we see
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(sung) liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. minions: the rise of gru, in theaters july 1st. in our politics lead, another primary election night in america. voters in key states had very clear messages to send to their elected leaders. fix crime in two of the most liberal cities in america. rising concerns about crime and homelessness burst to the forefront as san francisco voters recall district attorney chasy budean, a progressive who ended cash bail and tried to reduce the number of people sent to prison. in the los angeles mayor's race, public safety also issue number one, former republican and billionaire developer rick caruso using the issue to best six-term congresswoman karen bass, the two are now headed to a run-off in november. let's discuss. maria, let me start with you. what message, if you were a
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democratic leader, and you're seeing this in liberal cities, what would you be telling your members of the house and senate? >> that you should listen and serve the interests of the people who voted for you as opposed to a rigid ideology for the sake of a rigid ideology. what is even more significant, i believe, is that democrats have long been the party that believes in the good that government can do. and that, i think, can continue and should be one of the messages of these candidates. but you also have to look at the concerns of their constituents, of the voters. what fears they have, and they are pretty clear. people are fearful in their livelihoods because of all the chaos that's going on from the economy to inflation to crime to gun violence. it is a slew of issues, and what democrats need to focus on is what can they do to get government to respond in the best way possible to make people
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feel safe, to make people understand that they get that what their job is is to hopefully make their lives better and easier. and that has not been happening. >> ramesh, let me ask you, there are a lot of house republicans facing primaries from, i don't know if it's the right, but maga forces, people especially who voted either for the january 6th committee or to impeach trump even, and they either won or were positioned to survive tuesday's contests. what are your key takeaways tromthose races? >> i think if we look at the broad sweep of these races and trump's endorsements and who's pro-trump and all that stuff, we always want to say, well, this means trump's support is rising in the party. it's declining. if you look at the overall pattern, it's not much of an overall pattern. the voters are not primarily evaluating these candidates in terms of donald trump. and in a way, that's actually a good sign if you want to see
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trump's importance within the republican party decline. he is, i think, boosting his candidates, but by no means is victories. >> tomorrow night, the attention is going to turn back to the january 6th primetime hearing. jack del rio, d.c.'s hometown team, not one i root for, today called the attack, january 6th, a dust-up. take a listen. >> people's livelihoods are being destroyed. businesses are being burned down. no problem. and then we have a dust-up at the capitol, nothing burned down. and we're not going to talk about, we're going to make that a major deal. i just think it is kind of two standards. >> okay, first of all, obviously, people died. second of all, obviously this was bigger than about the vandalism. it was about trying to overturn an election. but the reason i'm playing it is because this is a prevalent attitude.
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maybe not the majority attitude, but a prevalent one that the members of congress have to come to terms with. >> we have to talk about media consumption because that is the elephant in the room. let's put it on the table that a third of the country is not going to watch it because networks including fox news have said they're not going to carry it in primetime. this is the big difference between the bombshell revelations for instance during watergate when the entire nation was riveted and all watching the same thing. a third of the country is not going to be watching this. we had people saying the same thing, jake, depending on what your political stripes are, really since the beginning after january 6th. so i don't know that this is necessarily an indication of us being in a different place versus we just haven't changed. we still have a third of the country that's not going to be tuned into this and not necessarily going to absorb the bombshell revelations if there are. >> and that gets right at one of the primary goals for the committee here. it's never been just about this is definitely part of it, but
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never just about filling in the gaps of what happened that day and how high up the chain some of that communication went. it was also about telling the public just how under threat democracy was at that point. when you talk to members of congress, that's one of the reasons they have always emphasized the need for public hearings here. so the fact that a main portion of the country may not be tuning in to that, we'll have to see. it is important. >> i think one of the points here that you're getting at is that, and jack del rio needs to understand that, it's not just about the attack that day. this is about a months-long plan to overturn the election, whether, you know, by suppressing the vote in ways legal or questionable, and then in courtrooms, before election boards, with pressure campaigns, calling the secretary of state of georgia, and on and on. >> fake electors. >> these alternate slates. this was more than just that day. >> that's right, and i think
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that has the potential of being lost when it's not just that one third of the country isn't watching it. way more than a third of the country is not going to be watching this. we have a much different culture when it comes to the consumption of political news than we had during watergate, and people like to forget this, zee a sell-serving mythology about the way watergate played out, but a lot was also people were unhappy with the way things were in the country at large under nixon. partly was inflation, a bad economy. this time, we have got all of those things competing with this january 6th story, and they cut against the incumbent president rather than in favor of these hearings. >> and maria, i just want to note that mr. del rio, whether he was watching our show, we heard from dan snyder or what, just put out a tweet saying referencing that situation as a dust-up was irresponsible and negligent. i'm sorry. i stand by comments condemning
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violence in communities across the country. while also expressing my support as an american citizen for peaceful protests. i support all peaceful protests in america, blah blah blah. >> see what we did, jake? >> he might have done that before we talked about it. look, you do hear that a lot, like people are outraged by january 6th, where was the outrage when cities were burning in the wake of the death of george floyd? and i certainly understand that sentiment, that vandalism and that destruction of property was awful. but it's not the same thing. >> it's absolutely not the same thing, and i'll tell you one of the big differences is that democrats absolutely condemned from the moment that it happened all of that illegal vandalism and violence that happened on those streets. what republicans have refused to do, except for very few, is to condemn what donald trump and everyone around him had been doing in terms of planning to overturn a free and fair election. and i think that what we're talking about, the members of the committee understand that or
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else i don't think they would have bothered to put this on primetime and to get a producer to actually do it, to tell the story. that's what they need to do. >> do you think it was a tactical mistake by kevin mccarthy to boycott this? there's nobody that's going to be in the hearing that's going to argue anything that he agrees with. >> i think it probably was a tactical mistake. they are saved by everything that we have been discussing at this table, given that a lot of his followers probably won't be watching it, but you want to have someone in the room to make those kind of headlines, right? because if there were a moment like that, they would capture it. it would go viral, it would be on newsmax, it would be on fox, and it would help them too and their audiences discredit in their minds. >> a mistake of fox to gnaw air this, do you think? >> look, again, if we're talking about when you talk to members of congress that are involved in this committee and the goal they have said, it is about portraying this and trying to show the truth that there was a
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threat to democracy that day. you can't deny that by having a major television network not air it. many people will miss that. >> you can think mccarthy should have cooperated, but you can't deny he has largely succeeded in delegitimizing this. >> thanks to one and all. >> she's been in key for less than two weeks. we're talking to the new u.s. ambassador to ukraine, including questions about what the end game m might look like. stay with us. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. ♪ ♪ ♪ (sha bop sha bop) ♪
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in our world lead today, ukrainian forces are considering drawing back in the
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severodonetsk region, but military leaders clairify it's to reach a more fortified position. this all comes as the u.s. is supplying more weapons to ukraine in hopes of bolstering efforts against russia. and joining us now is the new u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bridget brink. she was confirmed by a unanimous voice vote in the senate on may 18th, arrived in kyiv on may 29th. you have only been on the job three weeks. since then, the u.s. has reopened its embassy in kyiv, but on sunday, russia launched an air strike on the capital city. do you and your staff feel safe in the capital? >> well, jake, thanks so much for having me. it's really great to be back. we're really proud and happy that the u.s. embassy has reopened in kyiv. my staff and i obviously, we're in an area of a war zone, but we feel very strongly that we need to be here in order to advance
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u.s. interests and carry out the president's objectives. and the interests of the people of america. >> you note the importance of your being there. the u.s. has not had an official ambassador to ukraine since 2019, when former president trump removed marie yovanovitch. do you thing in any way a lack of u.s. leadership in ukraine may have contributed in any part to this war? >> i mean, i would say that the president, president biden, secretary blinken, christina cuvene, who was longtime and excellent startry have been active to gather a coalition of friends and partners in support of ukraine in response to russia's brutal attack. so no, i think that in fact the opposite has happened in terms of we have done exactly what we said we would do. we told russia that if it launched a war in ukraine, that we would support ukraine with
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weapons and other assistance, that we would put an unprecedented level of sanctions on russia, and that we would also re-enforce nato's eastern flank, which is on the border of this conflict. >> i want you to take a listen to what president biden said about sending long-range rockets to ukraine last week. >> are you going to send long-range rocket systems to ukraine? >> we're not going to send to ukraine rocket systems that can strike into russia. >> so that was the president saying we're not going to send to ukraine rocket systems that can strike into russia. but one day later, president biden announced in an op-ed that he would give ukraine rockets that could strike russia. why the flip-flop? >> i would just go back to who started this war. it was russia. it is russia that is the aggressor. it is russia that is changing or trying to change borders by
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force. this is a very dangerous precedent to happen in europe. and one which is in the united states' national interests to prevent and stop. so president biden and the congress and the american people have now given an enormous amount of support and are supporting ukraine and its ability to defend itself and deter further russian aggression. this is exemplified in the latest supplemental package of $40 billion which president biden signed on may 21st. and we're working closely with partners and allies to make sure that we're working together, and it really is important that now we support ukraine now more than ever. >> okay. you don't want to answer the question. i'll move on to a bigger one, a bigger picture one. we're more than 100 days into the war. it appears to be in effect a stalemate. last week, president zelenskyy said russian forces control 20% of ukraine. how do you anticipate this is
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going to end? >> i mean, i might characterize it differently. i think it is quite remarkable and shows the incredible courage and bravery of the ukrainians that essentially this david and golieth story. the ukrainians have pushed back russia from the capital, which it had amassed troops and i was recently in bucha and irpin, two of the cities right at the capital gates, so to speak, where the russians were trying to come in to what appeared to be take over the capital. now the russians have regrouped and they're in the south and in the east, and the fighting in the east is very close and very difficult. it's street by street. and so i guess i would characterize it as an incredible fight where the ukrainians have had incredible success because of their bravery. everyone knows and has seen president zelenskyy and he has inspired the entire world. and now, as i would say again,
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it's more now is more important than ever to support the ukrainians in this fight. they're fighting and dying in the donbas to try to stop russia from changing borders by force. >> ambassador, thanks so much for your time today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, tacos will soon be falling from the sky. and yes, i mean that literally. stay with us. we got iphphone 13s, too. switcd to verizon two minutes ago. (mom brown) ours were buststed and we still got a shiny new one. (boyoy brown) check it out! (dad allen) so, wait. everybody gets the same great deal? (mom allen) i think that's the point. (vo) iphone 13 on us for every customer. current, new, everyone. on any unlimited plan. starting at just $35 all on the network more people rely on. dad, when is the future? um, oh wow. um, the future is, uh, what's ahead of us. i don't get it.
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tacos. kind of. at a brand-new taco bell in suburban minneapolis, drive-through customers received their food from the sky or rather via mini elevators from a kitchen above the drive-through lanes. taco bell says the design is a response to the way fast food orders have changed during the pandemic, but i would like to think that somewhere, the j jetsons are celebrating they manifested this dream come true. our coverage continues with one mr. wolf blitzer in "the situation room." i'll see you tomorrow. happening now, an 11-year-old survivor of the uvalde massacre begs the u.s. congress to make sure it doesn't happen again. she joined with parents of mass shooting victims at a raw and very heartbreaking hearing right in the midst of urgent negotiations on gun reform. also tonight, the chairman of the january 6th select committee reveals that ivanka trump's video testimony may be played during the new hearings