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moment where you have more than satisfied your burden of proof. there's no room for any reasonable doubt. last night's hearing was the tell them what you're going to tell them part. now, there were moments where they teased the actual telling, the testimony of prominent figures who were relevant not just because of their proximity to then-president trump but also for the role they played within the government, maybe as a member of congress or as a white house aide. or maybe they were playing the role of lawyer in a courtroom, trying to convince a judge of a big lie. i wonder if it surprised any of you to see testimony as part of them tell-them part from one-time trump loyalist like former attorney general bill bar calling trump's election lie, quote, bullshit, unquote. ivanka trump even saying she believed barr, saying she respected him. over her own father she believed
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him when it came to claims of mass voter fraud. it altered her perspective. did it further surprise you to see her own father pushing back at her testimony today in a social media post saying, quote, ivanka was not involved in looking at or studying election results. she had long since checked out. or did it surprise you to hear one injured capitol police officer who described the hell that she went through, the carnage she witnessed, saying that she was even slipping on a fellow officer's blood. or maybe the words of committee vice chair liz cheney saying how some house republicans allegedly lobbied the trump white house after january 6th for pardons. the republican herself is extremely vulnerable in her seat. she lost her conference because she wouldn't toe the line.
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they called her a rhino in many parts of the gop. now she's at risk of losing her seat in congress. it seemed if yesterday is any indication, none of that is holding her back from speaking her mind. >> i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, bullet your dishonor will remain. >> what she hopes remains in the brains of those listening and she and the rest of the panel are trying to dill in on and hone in on is whether former president trump or anyone in his close orbit may have been involved in this violent plot. and you know, we could be closer than ever to actually learning those answers. >> are there going to be witnesses that describe actual conversations between these extremist groups and anyone in trump's orbit? >> yes. >> there will be? >> yes.
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>> definitively, yes, he says. wow. so, the committee is really saying, stay tuned. but, of course, remember what the prosecutors would know if this were a criminal courtroom. because now come it is work. this is now the tell them part, aka, the time when you've got to deliver the goods, not just the sound bite, but the context that proves it's not deceptively cherry picked somehow or can be easily refuted. but if they can substantiate the preview, if they can prove the preview, you know, their job doesn't exactly end there. if this were a criminal trial, you'd ask for the jury to find the defendant guilty of x, y, and z. you would actually know who the defendant is. but this isn't a criminal court, and it's not precisely clear if there is a singular target. and this is, after all, a congressional chamber. and they're going to have to make a case differently than a criminal prosecution, not for a conviction, but for the american
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electorate to understand what it was like to have a republic, only one we couldn't keep. we have to make the case for still caring about what happened on january 6th in june of the following year. and they have to make the case of how they're going to be able to use their legislative and oversight functions and powers to prevent that from having been a dry run on january 6th, let alone a blueprint. and it's really who they're going to have to make their case to, who their jury, so to speak, will be, their audience. that might present their biggest challenge. the question is, is it the entire electorate? is it one political party? is it the choir, the converted, or the non-believers? or is it the department of justice and the very branch that does have the power to pursue criminal charges? now, here's what we do know about this television audience
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of pseudo-jurors. a lot of people were watching last night's main event. more than 20 million people tuned in according to a preli preliminary nielsen tally. that's on par with the ratings of a sunday night football game. perhaps nowhere near the numbers a presidential debate might draw, but still, 20 million. the next public hearings are set for monday and wednesday and thursday. and a lot more information is being promised. so, here comes the part where you tell them what you said you'd tell them. but who's voices will they hear? and what will they see? and will it be enough to get you over? let's see what we can learn and gather from one of those panel members on what to expect, congresswoman stephanie murphy, democrat from florida. welcome to "cnn tonight," congresswoman. how are you? >> it's great to be with you. >> you know, a lot of questions
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now since we've seen at least the preliminary day of hearings, the first public hearings, hearing the testimony of one of the officers, learning from the documentarian, hearing those snippets of people who were certainly centers of the trump orbit, what were you hoping to convey most from last night? >> i think that after last night's hearing that the american people should understand that we are about to lay out through a series of hearings that january 6th didn't happen by accident, that it happened because there was somebody who was willing to subvert the will of the american people in order to ensure his will to stay in power. and that was donald trump. and there were a number of people around him, some who were accomplices, and some who decided that their morality and their conscience wouldn't allow them to move forward. and so it was a bottom line up
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front preview of the next hearings that are going to come across. and then in those hearings, we are going to provide the detail, much like we did in the first hearing in first person testimonies as well as documentation. to have the american people hear not in my voice, not in the voices of necessarily the members of this committee, but rather in the voices of the people around former president trump, who either knew better and didn't do well or knew better and pieced out of the situation so that they wouldn't be caught up in what they thought was either morally or criminally objective. >> there's a lot of information to synthesize. and i know you began with the likes of the attorney general bill barr and just the idea of the highest law enforcement
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officer in the land at one time calling bs. you know, he did not abbreviate the term, but calling bs. which really had me wondering about the idea of how you were trying to piece together the question that a lot of people were asking when january 6th happened, which was what was the president of the united states doing and thinking and saying while we were all watching what was unfolding? are you confident that you'll be able to answer that question through various conduits that are credible? and will it stand to be able to withstand those who are already doubting and saying, no, no, i never said that. congressman steve perry, for example. i never asked for a pardon. others saying it was out of context. i see you tilt your head because i can already anticipate you realizing these are going to be the retorts people will give you. what do you do to withstand that scrutiny? >> what i am trying to do is not to convince the scott perrys or the people who have already committed the kinds of moral and
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maybe potentially criminal decisions. what i am trying to do is, as a committee, lay out the facts for the american people. and what i'm asking of the american people is that they set aside their partisan affiliations, not a republican, not a democrat, not an independent, but rather think about what our democracy means. what does it mean for you to come to the polls and cast your vote? can you still feel like your vote is counted? and just because your team doesn't win doesn't mean that you get an opportunity to try to dismantle this democracy so that your team can stay in power. and your democracy is dependent on the rule of law, the process, as well as a peaceful transition of power. and so i'm trying to make that pitch to the american people, whatever their political
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affiliation is. >> congresswoman stephanie murphy, thank you so much for your time. we'll look forward to seeing it all unfold in front of us. i appreciate it. i want to talk now to someone who was there in the room for the hearings, aka, the room where it happened. he is also the dc metropolitan police officer who's seen here trapped in a doorway, as rioters attacked him with his own baton during the insurrection. typ difficult even now to ch wah this. daniel hodges joins me now. officer daniel hodges, thank you for being a part of the program tonight. it's difficult for me as a viewer and witness to watch this. it's very difficult, i'm sure, for you to see this still even more than a year later. how did it feel to be in that courtroom last night? i mean, the chamber -- i keep calling it a courtroom because i really did witness in many respects a laying out of a case against someone. what did it feel like for you to be in that room? >> i was glad to be there.
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i'm always -- it's -- watching footage from that day always makes my -- makes my blood pressure shoot up, makes my heart race. but i'm very glad that there's a preponderance of the evidence so to speak. >> what do you hope will be the result and outcomes of these hearings? >> i hope that at the end of these hearings there will be accountability in some form for those responsible for what happened that day. i hope that -- i hope that merrick garland is watching. i hope that the justice department can move forward in criminal matters to charge those and make sure that they face accountability. >> does that include those who might be still members of
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congress or people who are in the upper echelons of government who may have been powers that be so to speak? >> absolutely. the members of congress -- part of what was said last night was that multiple republican members of congress sought pardons from president trump at the time. and what the american people need to know is that -- i believe it's according to berdic versus united states supreme court case. in order to accept a presidential pardon, you have to admit guilt. so, they knew they committed a crime. they knew that whatever crime they committed was so egregious they didn't even want to wait to find out whether they were going to be caught. they immediately sought a pardon. so, they immediately committed a crime, and they knew that they needed to get it pardoned immediately. so, whatever they are guilty of, if it amounts to sedition, then
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they are -- it sounds hyperbolic, but they are the enemy of the people. they do not deserve to be in congress. >> in many ways chairman bennie thompson initiated the hearing last night talking about the oath of office and reminding the american public about the way it changed following the civil war and invoking former president lincoln on that point, about the idea of swearing this oath to defend, terrorists, enemies foreign and domestic on this very notion. i oftener wonder for people who have been watching and time has gone by for different reasons for those in the electorate, but for you and your colleagues to hear another officer yesterday, officer edwards, speaking about what happened, to relay her experience? behind her, there were widows of officers lost in the line of duty experiencing what you have recalled. the mother of brian sicknick. what is the morale like for you?
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when you reflect on the role you played to defend the capitol, have your views changed over time about what that means to you? >> my views haven't changed. i was proud during, i was proud afterwards, and i'm still proud of the work i did that day. you know, i -- i think the only seminegative emotion that i hear from other officers is everyone wishes they could have done more. everyone wishes that we could have kept them out completely. unfortunately, we were just so completely outnumbered and overwhelmed that this was impossible. but we did everything we could, and we're definitely proud of the work we did that day. >> as you should be. we're looking to see whether this is anyone who has offended the pride of the nation. officer daniel hodges, thank you so much for being a part of the program and your continued effort to try to aid in the american public's illumination of what happened that day. i appreciate it.
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>> thank you for having me. >> thank you. and there is other big news to get to tonight. we cannot for one moment for get about uvalde. these victims and families, they too deserve answers. the school police chief being blamed for the slow response to the massacre, he's just given his first extensive interview in which he said he didn't know he was the one in charge that day among a lot of other things. in fact, one of the reporters he spoke to is going to join us next. and that's a conversation i want to have. we'll be right back. freedom for kidsds. ♪ ♪ control for parents. one bank with tools for both. chase. make more of what's yours. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psstflonase all good.
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so, for the first time, the uvalde school police chief is giving his side of the story, essentially defending last month's police response to the massacre where 19 children and two teachers were murdered. in an interview guided by his attorney, chief pete arredondo
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says he never considered himself the incident commander. he also blamed the delayed action on the classroom's steel enforced doors, that there was no way to break them down, that they had to wait for the right keys, he said. cnn has reached out to texas saufty officials in the school district for comment. but according to arredondo's attorney, the chief isn't giving out anymore interviews at this time. jane is one of the reporters who spoke to chief arredondo for the texas tribune, and he joins me now. james, i'm glad you're here. i have to tell you, we've been waiting to hear from this chief in some form or capacity. i'm surprised at this point in, several weeks later, he is saying that he didn't think he was the incident commander. first of all, could that be right? and two, why is he only saying that now? >> hi laura. thanks for having me on your show. and i think that is the question that so many people have had in terms of what he the incident commander.
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if it wasn't him, who was it or who was it supposed to be? he is telling -- or at least he told us in our interview definitively that we went in there, he never thought he was the incident commander, never identified himself as the incident commander, and never gave an order for any officers to stand down for breaching the room. you've alluded to some of the points he's made in the interview in terms of getting context as to why it took law enforcement more than an hour to get inside the room. and i think that really was his goal, to explain sort of the law enforcement response, because he is -- he's cognizant, obviously that this has become a national story and that every room is being scrutinized. >> what was his attitude in terms of describing his reason to tell you he was not the incident commander? did he believe that he was being scapegoated? was he trying to ensure people knew there were other people involved? what was the motivation he explained? >> well, he was very clear that
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he was not trying to point the finger at anyone else, at any other agency. and he made very clear that he was proud of the law enforcement response not just from his police department or the city's police department but every agency that responded. but he is also a member of the community. you know, he grew up there. he went to robb elementary. he spent the first 16 years of his career at the uvalde police department. he knew some of the victims in the shooting. it's very close to him. he told us he hadn't spoken out out of respect for the families that were grieving. but he wanted to several weeks out give that context for what he thought was needed for what he thought was inaccurate or incomplete information that had been released by state and law enforcement authorities so far. >> it's not your job to defend him. i know you're the reporter bringing the information. i just have to raise my eyebrow
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in credulity here to think of the word "proud" being used in terms of the police response in the same sentence. one of the things he spoke about the steel jam door. he discusses that maybe the safety protocols that were in place within the school worked against the response. tell me why. >> right. it's not our job to defend his actions. we don't pass judgment on the actions, and i would encourage all your viewers to go read our story and decide for themselves. to your point about these steel -- these reinforced doors that he's talking about, he is telling us -- and i think this is a new detail that hasn't been reported before -- that he checked the door for the classroom where the gunman was trying to see if he can get inside and see if law enforcement officers could get inside and contain the shooter. he checked the door, found that it was locked, and then that created a whole new set of problems because these doors are -- sort of the response we
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have had to active shooter incidents. they're designed for the people safe inside, usually students and teachers, and very difficult for people on the outside, theoretically attackers, to break it in or get inside. but when the gunman was able to get inside the classroom, that is when arredondo says sort of the situation gets flipped and it becomes very difficult for law enforcement to get inside, break down the door, as people have suggested. and now the shooter is inside very safe with potential victims. that's what caused the delay. he then asked for keys or extrication tools, and those were a long time coming. >> you know, i do encourage everyone to read this really important piece to give that information, to give that context. and also to really dive into that notion of the barricade versus the active shooter component. that really is dove tailing perfectly from that conversation about the steel doors as well. james, thank you so much for
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bringing us this information. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> reaction ahead from a texas state senator who's been demanding answers from uvalde visuals from the start. why is he just hearing it like the rest of us? does he e believe chief arredondo's accocount? next.
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so, as you just saw, embattled uvalde school police chief pete arredondo is finally speaking out with the texas tribune. and he's defending the hour-long delay where law enforcement did not confront the gunman who gunned down 19 children and 2 adults for a period of time. joining me now, texas state senator raymond gutierrez, who represents uvalde. i wonder what your immediate reaction is to this reporting that he is now saying several weeks out that he didn't think he was even the incident commander? what's your reaction to that? i think we're having trouble hearing the state senator. i'm not hearing you, sir. are we able to get his -- let's get his -- let's get his sound up because i really -- given all the work that he's done to try to get information from the
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all right. thanks for sticking with us. we've got the audio worked out. we've got roland gutierrez, the texas state senator who represents uvalde. i'm glad you're hear. i wanted to speak to you in particular about what's happening in uvalde. what was your reaction to the "texas tribune" reporter's article where arredondo says he didn't know he was incident commander? >> essentially now we have these two competing narratives. we have the "tribune" article. we have "the new york times" article that came in within an hour after the legislative hearing ended. dps is saying one thing, that's
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our state troopers, and arredondo saying another. it's a real cause for concern. what i want to know for people that are accountable to the state legislature and what i've been asking for all along is how many dps officials were in there? what other law enforcement officials were in there in that hallway within that span of 45 minutes? and we have yet to get that information. >> i was going to say those are pretty basic information. it doesn't have to go to sensitive reporting. it's just these answers. why do you think the answers aren't coming. the lawyer in me says, is it a matter of lawyering up? is it a matter of trying to get your story straight to smell like roses? what is it? why don't we know more? >> admittedly by steve mccall, this was a breakdown in protocols. admittedly there was law enforcement failure. and i think there's this thing where everybody wants to point
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fing rs at each other. clearly law enforcement failed at every level, the local level, the state trooper level. at every level there was system failure and human error. we have to get beyond that. we can't be hiding behind a criminal investigation. we need accountability and transparency so that this never happens again. as a policy maker, i'm concerned that the governor has put $4 billion on the border and the law enforcement entity that was there probably had 40 or 50 cops on scene, wasn't part of the solution of breaking into that room faster. these are real questions that need to be answered. and to heretofore, we haven't gotten those answers. >> there are some -- there's a doj, legislature, that's vowing to find out what happened, put intellectual muscle and support behind this as well. but do you have any confidence? just given the systemic errors you have already articulated, do you have concern and should the
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greater world have concern about the ability to really get and drill down to the details that will help this community, not just me and you understanding, but for those who have been victimized, those who are living with this day in and day out to have answers? do you have confidence that's going to happen? >> i think as of yesterday i saw perversion of the process. someone from either dps or the governor's office or someone in the house leaked out much of that reporting from that legislative committee hearing. arredondo here again does his own interview yesterday with this other media group and has perverted the prose is to a certain degree. we've got a district attorney who's saying, well, we're going to wait because we've got maybe some criminality we're looking at. all i'm asking is logistical positioning. i want to know which law enforcement agency was in that hallway. that is transparency that we need to have and those parents need to have. you know, we've been hearing a
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lot about democracy these days. without transparency, we don't have democracy. >> you know, i mean, it's so well said and the idea just to think of, you know, journalism think of the who, what, when, where, why, how, the fact we can't get past the who, and here we are with funeral services, with grieving families, with people desperate to understand. and here you are trying to get thosens as. i see this is very -- you it's very emotional and i know it continues to be for the dmien because we can't forget that this is a community. we are people who are trying to grapple with this. state senator roland gutierrez, thank you. >> thank you, laura. thank you so much. >> excuse me. now, the rough economic picture is getting rougher. the dow -- excuse me. i'll have a sip of tea because i don't want to have a frog in my throat. here's what we know. the dow tanked this afternoon with inflation -- i've got to break. what's going on? am i getting choked up? we'll be right back. the dribbler,
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so, "star trek 2" was in theaters the last time we saw prices that were rising this fast. you might not know, i am a real trek ki. i just can't do the hand thing. the painful thing is inflation is highest in 40 years, even as more people go back to work. the reality is we're all paying more for just about everything. the president today, well he had lots of blame ready. >> putin's price hike is hitting america hard. exxon made more money than god this year. >> but when it comes to solutions, well, the administration says this. >> we are open to ideas. >> well, let's discuss those ideas that you're open to now with the senior adviser to the president, gina sperling.
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thank you for joining me tonight. what are these ideas, because as president biden spoke about, as your colleagues spoke about, you're open to ideas. what are the ideas you have for the table and for the american people? >> you know, look, laura, i think the president is leveling with people and letting them know that these gas prices are global phenomenon, that they are very much caused by the unthinkable war of aggression in ukraine. you know, that's not a shift of blame. that's just a description. prices were $3.31 on january 17th when putin started doing military exercises in belarus. they're $4.99 right now, and they've had higher jumps in other countries. now, that's not any comfort to any american going to the gas pump, but it is the fact that we are all suffering from this, again, this unthinkable aggression. what the president's made clear is he gets it. yes, we've had record job growth. yes, we have 3.6% unemployment.
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yes, 4.2 million people have come back into the work force. those are all signs of a recovery that is still going. but for an american family, as you were saying, going up to the gas pump, going through the grocery line, you know, they're getting hit by higher prices than they should need to. you know, we're not going to pretend there is a silver bullet that's going to stop the global phenomenon of the gas price going up. it doesn't mean there's not things we can do. the president has reduced a large amount of oil from the strategic oil reserve. he's allowed e-15 gasoline to be able to put downward pressures. he called today for legislation to prevent the exorbitant hikes on shipping that are being passed on to americans to do other measures that congress can do with them that might not directly hit gas but still lower the price that families are paying in prescription drugs, internet, utility bills. and finally, yes, we're glad
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that natural gas production is at record levels, that oil production is at near record levels. but yes, you heard the president say today he sees the record profits by the oil companies. and he wants to make sure that everyone is asking, are they doing enough to bring back the 800,000 barrels a day in refinery capacity they closed down, to use the permits they have, and to make sure their focus is more supply, lower prices for american families, and not record profits. >> well, i can turn the question back to the administration, of course, gene. is the administration doing enough and at a pace that is commensurate with what you're seeing of the fast pace of inflation? you had secretary janet yellen tuesday saying tariff reductions could help bring down the prices. commerce secretary said it may make sense to lift tariffs on goods. what is the administration's response to that notion? those are two ideas.
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those might offer solutions not only in the long term but the short run. what state of play are we in? >> well, you're right. i think there are lots of different things we can do. and you saw the president reduce tariffs on solar equipment coming into the united states, also keep prices lower. you know, there's some things we could do that he could do on his own. with the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill, he was able to get companies to commit together to offer lower, even free, internet service for up to 48 million households. that's something he could rally. but, you know, laura, there's so much more we could do if we had cooperation from congress. the shipping prices, company after company says the exorbitant profit and the exorbitant price hikes of shipping companies bringing products into the u.s. is being passed on directly to consumers. we can stop that. we can at least reduce the pressure of prescription drug price by letting prices that
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families are saying paying the same families by allowing medicare to negotiate with companies and bring down those prices. and i think the president has made very clear that he is willing to look at other measures related more direct i wil directly to gas prices. but listen, this is a global phenomenon. there is not a silver bullet to this russian aggression at the moment. the fact the president is being straight about that but also making clear we're willing to do every single thing we can to help bring down gas prices -- and look, you do see that forecasters predict the prices will moderate this year. but we understand, again, that's of little comfort when people are seeing the $4.99 at the gas bump and getting another, you know, disappointing inflation report today. >> gene sperling, you know, we look forward to hearing more from the administration. as the gas prices are rising, some people's bank accounts are really running on fumes, as you can imagine.
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thank you for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you, laura. appreciate you having me. well, we've got an amazing true more than 40 years have passed after a husband and wife were murdered. now, their daughter, who is known as baby holly, is found alive and well. that's actually her, holding the picture of her with with her parents. my next guest is a big part of the reason why baby holly was found. we will lock at how she used science to solve two mysteries, and will it help in the search for justice? we will talk about it when cnn tonight returns. i strip on public transit. i strip with the guys. i strip all by myself. brthe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away,
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hi, i'm denise. i've lost over 22 pounds with golo in six months and i've kept it off for over a year. i was skeptical about golo in the beginning because i've tried so many different types of diet products before. i've tried detox, i've tried teas, i've tried all different types of pills, so i was skeptical about anything working because it never did. but look what golo has done. look what it has done. i'm in a size 4 pair of pants. go golo. (soft music) listen to this story. a baby who vanished more than 40 graers ago has been found, and found alive and well. but the remarkable story is
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bittersweet. baby holly klaus vanished along with her parents in 1980. now, a religious group told their fam wily that the couple n away with them, but dna testing proved just last year, that the couple was murdered in 1981. however, that baby who is now a grown woman, her life was spared. and she was reunited with her family over zoom just on tuesday. now. >> now, holly's grandmother telling cnn, today, it's a blessing. >> i just kept praying and hoping. and never gave up hope. and believing in the lord, that he would reveal it to me eventually. i have to know what happened to my son and his wife, and the baby before i die. and it is all happening so our -- we never gave up -- none of us. >> i am joined tonight by the genealogist who helped i.d. the
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couple, and also find baby holly. allison peacock, welcome to the program. this story is unbelievable. i have to, first, you found out that there was even a baby involved by speaking with one of the victims' family members. tell me about how that even came to pass that you were aware? >> hi, laura. yes, it was pretty shocking. you know, we were in the process of identifying a male and a female doe for harris county and when we got to the point that we kneed to verify we had the right identity, i made a phone call, along with one of my colleagues, to debbie brooks and that is donna's daughter and dean's sister. and as soon as she validated that she did have a brother that had been miss for 40 years, and i gave her the bad news. the very next words out of her mouth were "what about the baby?" and i -- i was speechless.
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i said, what baby? so, we began going through the records. and learning more about holly, and the fact that she was not found with her parents. >> now, when you say you broke the bad news, it had been a cold case. they did not yet know that their loved ones had even been killed, let alone that the baby was missing, right? >> no, and that's -- that he is right. and that is one of the heinous things about this crime is that not only were the couple murdered but the people that were behind this horrible crime went back and confronted the family with his car, and tried to extort money and said, you know, we will drive this car back to you because he doesn't need it. he is giving away all of his worldly possessions. and so, they -- they made it seem as if dean and tina were rejecting their families, and they said they are with our cult now. they don't want to speak to you. they are rejecting family and worldly goods and just leave them alone. and so, not only did they lose them physically, they lost them emotionally because they thought that they were being rejected.
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so, um, that's -- that's pretty horrible thing. >> i mean, speaking of the emotional aspect. i mean, i'm wondering how baby holly -- how did she survive? was she -- was she raised by some -- i mean, how did that happen? >> well, you know, this is still an ongoing-criminal investigation. but i think some of the things that they have announced were that she was raised in a happy family by people that did not have anything to do with the crime. and what we do know is she was left in a church in arizona, and that someone affiliated with that church vefrmgly adopted her after some length of time. they had to have a home study and do everything, you know, on the up and up. i don't think anybody could have convinced them, at the time, that they were taking in a child they had been stolen because think the story they were told is they were giving up this baby because, you know, we are in a cult and they won't let us keep her. so it -- again, there is a lie planted that makes them not look any further for the family. and um, you know, holly probably
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grew up thinking her parents didn't want her because they preferred religion to her. >> what was her reaction? i mean, when she realized this? i mean, it was not only a shock to the family who thought they had been rejected. but for her, i mean, it's quite bittersweet to know that she had biological parents who not only had been murdered, but this is how she is learning about it. >> right. well, you know, i wasn't in the room when she learned about it. i met her on the zoom meeting and i know that, at some point, holly is going to tell you her story and how she feels but i don't really feel comfortable telling you her story. i think it's her story to tell. >> i think that is very respectful. i understand. but i really want to know, allison peacock, i mean, you normally work with dna or genealogists, this is going to be something we should look for in terms of the -- the ability to be able to solve crimes such as this? it must have been a shock to you, as well, knowing the work you do to lead to this sort of consequence and result? >> it's very unusual.
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and in all the cases i have heard of, in all the -- the studying i've done, the reading i have done about cases being a genealogy nut for years. i have never heard of anything like this. and that's what was so shocking about it because the implications were that the child being missing had to have had something to do with the murder. and to realize, 40 years later, oh my gosh, this child's been possibly, you know, in the accompany of somebody that killed her parents. so, it's a very unusual case, very unique. >> yeah. allison peacock, thank you for sharing. we appreciate it. >> uh-huh. thank you. and now, welcome to a bonus hour of cnn tonight. i am laura coates still and don lemon is off tonight. now, on the heels of the first comprehensive look at the january-6th committee's findings,s justice department just released brand new video from the riot at the capitol. now, i warn you this is graphic video and it does include strong


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