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what every prosecutor knows. you tell them what you are going to tell them. you tell them that and then you told them what you told them. but beware. the jury is going to have to keep ya honest and they will hold you accountable. that's why, for so many, you underpromise, and then you over deliver which leads you right to that moment when you have more than satisfied your burden of proof. there is no room for any recommend doubt. well, last night as hearing was that tell 'em what you are going to tell 'em part. the testimony of pom prominent figures relevant not just because of their proximity to then-president trump but also the role they played within the government. maybe, as a member of congress or a white house aide or maybe they were playing the role of lawyer in a courtroom, trying to convince a judge of a big lie. i wonder if it surprised any of you from one-time trump loyalist
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like former-attorney general bill barr. calling trump's stolen election lie, quote, bullshit, unquote. surprising to hear ivanka trump even saying she believes barr saying that she respected him. over her own father, believed him when it came to unsubstantiated claims of mass-voter fraud. it altered her perspective, i believe she said. did it further surprise you to see her own father pushing back on her testimony today in a social-media post sighing, quote, ivanka was not involved in looking at or studying election results. she had long since checked out. or did it surprise you to hear one injured capitol police officer who described the hell she went through, the carnage she witnessed. saying that she was even slipping on a fellow officer's blood. or maybe the words of committee vice chair, liz cheney, saying
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how some house republicans allegedly lobbied the trump' white house after january 6th for pardons. the republican herself, you know, is extremely vulnerable in her own seat. she lost her conference leadership post because she wouldn't toe the gop line on any of this. they called her a rino in many parts of the gop, and now she is at risk of losing her seat in congress. but it seemed if yesterday was any indication, none of that shois holding her back from speaking her mind. >> i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain. >> well, what she hopes remains in the brains of those listening and she and the rest of the panel are trying to drill in on is -- and hone in on -- is whether former-president trump or anyone in his close orbit may have been involved in this violent plot. you know, we could be closer
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than ever to actually learning those answers. >> are there going to be witnesses that describe actual conversations between these extremist groups and anyone in trump's o orbit? >> yes. >> there will be? >> yes. >> definitively yes, he says. wow. the committee is resaying stay tuned. but of course, remember, what prosecutors would know if there were a criminal courtroom because now, comes the work. this is now the tell-them part. aka, the time when you got to deliver the goods, not just the sound byte but the context that proves it is not deceptively ch cherry picked somehow or can be easily refuted but if they can substantiate the preview. if they can prove the preview, you know, the job doesn't exactly end there. if this were a criminal trial, you'd ask for the jury to find the defendant guilty of x, y, and z.
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you would actually know who the defendant is. but this isn't a criminal court. and it's not precisely clear if -- if there is a singular target. and this is, after all, a congressional chamber. and they are going to have to make a case differently than a criminal prosecution, not for a conviction but for the american electorate to understand what it was like to have a republic, only one we couldn't keep. they have to make the case for still caring about what happened on january 6th, june of the following year. and they have to make the case at how they are going to be able to use their legislative oversight functions and powers to prevent that from having been a dry run on january 6th, let aalone a blueprint. and it's really who they are going to have to make their case to, who their jury, so to speak, will be. their audience. that might present their biggest challenge. i mean, the question is, is it the entire electorate?
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is it one political party? is it the choir? the converted? or the nonbelievers? or is it the department of justice? and the very branch that does have the power to pursue charges. here is what he know about this television audience of pseudojurors. a lot of people were watching last night's main event. in fact, more than 20 million people tuned that according to a nielsen tally. 20 million is more than this year's olympics viewership average. it is on par with ratings of, say, a sunday-night football game. but perhaps, nowhere near, say, a presidential debate might draw. but still, 20 million. the next public hearings are set for monday and wednesday and thursday. and a lot more information is being promised. so here comes the part where ya tell 'em what ya said you would tell them. but whose voices will they hear? and what will they see?
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and will it be enough to get you over? let's see what we can learn and gather from one of those panel members on what to expect, congresswoman stephanie murphy, democrat from florida. welcome to "cnn tonight," congresswoman, how are you? >> it's great to be with you. >> you know, a lot of questions now, since we have seen at least the preliminary day of hearing, the first public hearings. hearing the testimony of bun of the officers, learning from a documentarian, hearing those snippets of people who are certainly central to the trump' orbit. what were you hoping to convey most from last night? >> i think that, um, after last night's um hearing that the american people should understand that we are about to lay out, through a series of hearings, that january 6th didn't happen by accident. that, it heaappened because the was somebody who was willing to subvert the will of the american people in order to ensure his
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will to stay until power. and that was donald trump. and there were a number of people around him -- some who were accomplices and some who decided that their morality and their conscience wouldn't allow them to move forward. and so, it was a bottom-line, upfront preview of the next hearings that are going to come across. and then, in those hearings, we are going to provide the detail, much like we did in the first hearing in first-person, um, testimonies as well as doc documentation. to have the american people hear, not in my voice, not in the voices of necessarily the members of this committee, but rather, in the voices of the people around former-president trump who either knew better and
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didn't do well or knew better and peaced out of the situation so that they wouldn't be caught up in what they thought was either morally or criminally objective. >> there are a lot of information to sijt size. i know you began with the likes of attorney general bill barr and just the idea of the highest law enforcement officer in the land, at one time, calling bs. you know, he did not abbreviate the term but calling bs which really had me wondering about the idea of how you were trying to piece together the question that a lot of people were asking when january 6th happened, which was what was the president of the united states doing and thinking and saying while we were all watching what was unfolding? are you confident that you will be able to answer that question through various conduits that are credible? and will it stand to be able to withstand those who are already doubting and saying no, no, i never said that. congress manipulate steve perry. i -- i never asked for a pardon. others saying there was out of
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context. i see you tilt your head. i can already ap tis pating these will be the retorts people will give you. what do you do to withstand that scrutiny? >> what i am trying to do is not convince the scott perrys or the people who have already committed the kinds of moral and -- uh -- uh -- maybe, potentially criminal decisions. what i am trying to do is, as a committee, lay out the facts for the american people. and what i am asking of the american people is that they set aside their partisan affiliations, not a republican, not a democrat, not an independent. but rather, think about what our democracy means. what does it mean for you to come to the polls and cast your vote? can you still feel like your vote is counted? and just because your team doesn't win doesn't mean that you get an opportunity to try to dismantle this democracy so that
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your team can stay in power. and our democracy is dependent on the rule of law, the process, as well as a peaceful transition of power. and so, i am trying to make that pitch to the american people, whatever their affiliations. >> congresswoman stephanie murphy, thank you so much forrure time. we look forward to seeing it all unfold in front of us. i appreciate it. i want to talk now to someone who was there in the room for the hearings, aka, in the room where it happens, and he is also the d.c. metropolitan police officer who is seen here trapped in a doorway as rioters attacked him with his own baton during the insurrection. difficult even now to watch this. daniel hodges joins me now. officer daniel hodges, thank you for being a part of the program tonight. difficult for me, as a viewer and witness to watch this. it is very difficult for you to
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see this, still, even more than a year later. how did it feel to be in that courtroom last night -- i mean the chamber -- i keep calling it courtroom because i did witness in many respects a laying out a case against someone. what did it feel like for you to be in that room? >> i was glad to be there. it's always -- you know, watching footage from that day always makes my -- makes my blood pressure shoot up, makes my heart race. but i'm -- i am very glad that there is a preponderance of the evidence, so to speak. and i am glad that i was able to sit there and i am glad that the american people have been able to see it. >> what do you hope will be the outcome? i was just talking to a congresswoman who was part of the committee and obviously their role is legislative. what do you hope will be the results and outcomes of these hearings? >> i hope that, at the end of these hearings, um, there will be accountability in some form
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for those responsible for what happened that day. i hope that -- i hope that merrick garland is watching. i hope that the justice department can move forward in criminal matters to charge those and make sure they face accountability. >> does that include those who might be still members congress or people in the upper echelons of government who may have been powers that be so to speak? >> absolutely. um, the members of congress -- part of what was said last night was that multiple republican members of congress sought pardons from president trump at the time. and what the american people need to know is that i believe it is according to burdick versus the united states supreme court case, in order to accept a presidential pardon, you have to commit guilt. so, they knew they committed a crime.
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they knew that whatever crime they committed was so egregious, they didn't even want to wait to find out whether -- whether they were going to get caught. they immediately sought a pardon. so, they knew they committed a crime and they knew they needed to get it pardoned immediately. so, whatever they are guilty of, if it amounts to sedition, then they are it sounds hyperbolic but they are the enemy of the people. they do not zerch to be in congress. >> in many way, chairman bennie thompson initiated the hearing last night talking about the october of office, and reminding the american public about the way it changed following the civil war and invoking former president lincoln on that very idea of swearing this oath to defend domestic terrorists, enemies foreign and domestic on this very notion. i often wonder for people who have been watching and the time has gone by for different reasons for those the electorate. but for you and for your colleagues to hear, you know,
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another officer yesterday, officer edwards, speaking about what heaappened to he relay her experience. behind her were widows of officers lost in the liven duty, experiencing what you have called. the mother of brian sicknick. what is the morale like for you when you reflect on the role you played to defend the capitol? have your views changed over time about what that means to you? >> my views haven't changed. i was proud during. i was proud afterwards, and i am still proud of the work i did that day. you know, i -- um -- i think the only semi-negative emotion i hear from other officers is everyone wishes they could have done more. everyone wishes that we could have kept them out completely. unfortunately, we are just so completely outnumbered and overwhelmed that that was impossible but we -- we did everything we could and we are definitely proud of the work we
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did that day. >> as you should be and we will be looking to see whether there is anyone who has offended the pride of the nation. officer daniel hodges, thank you so much for being a part of the program and your continued effort to try to aid in the american public's illumination of what happened that day. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. thank you. and there is other big news to get to tonight. we cannot, for one moment, forget about uvalde. these victims and families -- they, too, deserve answers. in a school police chief being blamed for the slow response -- you see him right there -- to the massacre. he has just given his first extensive interview, in which he said he didn't know he was the one in charge that day, among a lot of other things. in fact, one of the reporters he spoke to is going to join us next, and that's a conversation i want to have. we'll be right back. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels.
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so ft. for the first time, the uvalde school police chief is giving his side of the story. essentially, defending last month's police response to the massacre where 19 children and two teachers were murdered. in an interview with the texas tribune, guided by his attorney, chief pete arradondo says he never considered himself the incident commander. he also blamed the delayed action on the classrooms' steel-enforced doors. there was no way to break them down. they had to wait for the right keys, he said. cnn has reached out to texas safety officials and the district for comment but according to arradondo's attorney, the chief isn't giving out any more interviews at this time. one of the reporters who spoke to chief arradondo for the "texas tribune" and he joins me now. james, i am glad you are here. i have it tell you we have all been waiting to hear from it this chief in some form or capacity. i am actually a little surprised that at this point in, several
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weeks later, he is saying he didn't think he was the incident commander. first of all, could that be right? and, two, why is he only saying that now? >> hi, laura, thanks for having me on your show and i think that is the question that so many people have had in terms of what is he incident commander? if it wasn't him, who was it supposed to be? but he is telling or at least he told us in our interview definitively that he went in there, he never thought he was the incident commander. never identified himself as the incident commander. and really, never gave an order for any officers to stand down for breecaching the room. you have alluded to some of the points he made in the interview, in terms of sort of giving some context as to why it took law enforcement more than an hour to get inside the room and i think that really was his goal, to explain sort of the law enforcement' response because he is -- he's cognizant obviously that this has become a national story, and that every move is
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being scrutinized. >> what was his attitude, in terms of describing why he -- his reason to tell you he was not the incident commander? did he believe that he was being scapegoated? was he trying to ensure people knew there were other people involved? what was the motivation he explained? >> well, he was very clear that he was not trying to point the finger at anyone else, at any other agency. um and he made very clear that he was proud of the law enforcement' response not just from his police department or the city's police department but every -- every agency that responded. but he is also a member of the community. you know, he -- he grew up there. he went to robb elementary. he spent the first 16 years of his career at the uvalde police department. and he knew some of the victims, um, in -- in the shooting. um, so, it's very close to him and he told us that he hadn't spoken out out of respect for the families that were grieving but he wanted to, at this point, several weeks out, give that con
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test that he thought was needed of what he thought was inaccurate or incomplete information that had been released by state and law enforcement authorities, so far. >> it is not your job to defend him. i know that you are the reporter who is bringing the information that we so desperately want. i just have to sort of raise my eyebrow in ckre duality here. but one of this of the things he spoke about is the steel jam door. in fact, he discusses maybe the safety protocols that were in place within the school worked against the response. tell me why. >> right. it's not our -- it's not our job to defend his actions. and i would encourage all your viewers to go read our story and decide for themselves. but to your point about the steel -- or the -- these reinforced doors that he is talking about. he is telling us -- and i think this is a new detail that hasn't been reported before -- um --
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that he checked the door, um, for -- for the classroom where the gunman was trying to see if he can get inside and see if law enforcement officers could get inside and contain the shooter. um, he checked the door. found that it was locked and then that created a whole new set of problems because these doors are sort of the response that we, as a society, have had to potential active-shooter incidents. they are designed to be very safe for the people inside -- usually, students and teachers. and usually very difficult on for people on the outside, theoretically attackers or the gunman, to get inside. but when the gunman was able to get inside the classroom, that is when arradondo says sort of the situation gets flipped and becomes very difficult for law enforcement to break down the door, as people have suggested and -- and now, the shooter is inside, very safe, with potential victims and that is what caused the delay. he asked for keys and extrication tools and those war
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long-time coming. >> i do encourage everyone to read this really important piece to give that information, to give that con ttext. and also, really dive into that notion of the barricade versus the active-shooter component that really stems -- is dovetailing perfectly from the conversation about the steel doors as well. james, thank you so much for bringing us this information. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. reaction ahead from a texas senate senator who has been demanding answers from uvalde officials from the start. so, why is he just now hearing it like the rest of us? does he believe chief arradondo's account? we're going to ask him, next. s y and an 8:15 call with san francisco. and you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, right now on "peace of mind." such a big, beautiful idea. and for us at this means - free cancellation on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional. so you can be free.
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sos aw jut saw, embattled uvalde police chief pete arradondo finally speaking out, this time in an interview with the texas tribune and he is defending the hour-long delay where law enforcement did not confront the gunman who gunned down 19 children and 21 adults for a period of time. joining me now, texas state senator, rowland gutierrez, who represents uvalde. senator, thank you for joining me tonight. i -- i wonder who your immediate reaction is to this reporting that he is now saying, several weeks out, that he didn't think he was even the incident commander? what is your reaction to? that?
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i think we are having trouble hea hearing the state senator. i'm not -- i am not hearing you, sir. let's get -- let's get his sound up because i really -- given all work that he has done to try to get information from the officials, we have heard his voice probably more than any other voice in this investigation, thus far. and so, what he has to sayvi really important. so let's take a second to get it right, to regroup because the voices we invite on this show are the ones we need to listen to. let's go to a quick break. we will be right back. of another heart attack by 31%. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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commander? >> essentially, now we have these two competing narratives. we have the tribune article. we have "the new york times" article that came in within an hour after -- after the legislative committee hearing ended. dps is saying one thing -- that is our state troopers. and arradondo saying another. it is a real cause for concern. what i want to know from the people that are accountable to the state legislature and what i have been asking for all along is how many dps troopers were in there? what other law enforcement entities were in there in that hallway within that span of 45 minutes? and we have yet to get that information. >> i was going to say, i mean, those were pretty basic questions. you know, it doesn't have to go to extensive reporting. just these answers. why is it, do you think, the answers are not coming? i mean, the lawyer in me says -- and i am alskeptical of people is it a matter of lawyering up? is it a matter of trying to get
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your story straight to smell like roses? what is it? >> don't he know more? >> this was a breakdown in law enforcement protocols. admittedly, this was law enforcement' failure. and i think there is always this thing where everybody wants to point the fingers at each other. but clearly, law enforcement failed at every local -- the local level, the sheriff level, the state-trooper level a. every level, there was system failure and human error. um, we have to get beyond that. we can't be hide behind a criminal investigation. we need accountability and transparency so that this never happens again. as a policymaker, i am concerned the governor put $4 billion on the border and the law enforcement entity that was there probably would have 40 or 50 cops on scene wasn't part of the slulgz of breaking into that room faster. these real questions that need to be answered and heretofore, we haven't gotten those answers.
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>> well there are some -- there is the doj, ledgislature, they are vowing to investigate what happened to i guess put some intellectual muscle and -- and support behind this, as well. but do you have any confidence? i mean, just given the systemic errors you have already articulated? do you have concern and should the greater world have concern about the ability to really get and drill down to the details that will help this community? not just me and you understanding but for those who have been victimized, those who are living with this day in, day out, who deserve to have answers. do you have confidence that's gonna happen? >> i think as of yesterday, i saw perversion of the process. someone from either dps or the governor's office or someone in the house leaked out much of that reporting from that legislative committee hearing. arradondo here, again, does his own interview yesterday with this other media group, and has perverted the process to a certain degree. we have got a district attorney
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saying well we are going to wait because we got maybe some criminality we are looking at. all i am asking is logistical positioning. i want to know which law enforcement agency was in that hallway. that is transparency we need to have and those -- those parents need to have. you know, we have been hearing a lot about dmemocracy these days. without transparency, we don't have democracy. >> so well side. and just the idea to think of journalism, think about the who, what, when, where, why, how? the fact that we can't yet get past the who, and here we are with funeral services, with grieving families, with people desperate to understand and -- and here you are trying to get those answers. i see this is very -- it's very emotional and i know that it continues to approximate for the community because we can't forget that this is a community. this is people who are trying to grapple with this. state senator, rowland gutierrez, thank you. >> thank you, laura. thank you so much. >> excuse me.
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administration says this -- >> we are open to ideas. >> well, let's discuss those ideas that you are open to. now, with the senior adviser to the president, jean spurling. jean, thank you for joining me tonight. what are these ideas? because as president biden spoke about, as your colleague spoke about, you are open to ideas. what are the ideas that you have for the table and for the american people? >> you know, look, laura, i think the president is leveling with people, and letting them know that these gas prices are global phenomenon. that they are very much caused by the un -- unthinkable war of aggression in ukraine. you know, that is not a shift of blame. that is just a description. prices were $3.31 on january 17th. when putin started doing military exercises in belarus. they are $4.99 right now and they have had higher jumps in
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other countries. now, this is a not any comfort to any american going to the gas pump but it is the fact that we are all suffering from this -- again, this unthinkable aggression. what the president's made clear is he gets it. yes, we have had record-job growth. yes, we have 3.6% unemployment. yes, 4.2 million people have come back into the workforce. those are all signs of a recovery that is still going. but for an american family, as you were saying, going to the gas pump, going through the grocery line. you know, they are getting hit by -- by higher prices than they should need to. now, we are not going to pretend there is a, you know, a silver bullet that's going to stop the global phenomenon of the goes price going up but doesn't mean there is not things we can do. the president's already released a historic automatic of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. e already allowed e-13 to be able for downward pressures. he called today for legislation to prevent the exorbitant hikes on shipping that are being
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passed onto americans to do other measures that congress can do with him to -- that might not directly hit gas but still lower the price that -- that families are paying in prescription drugs, internet, utility bills. and finally, yes, we are glad that natural gas production is at record levels, that oil production is at near-record levels. but yes, you heard the president say today, he sees the record profits by the big oil companies and he wants to make sure that everyone is asking are they doing enough to bring back the 800,000 barrels a day of refinery capacity they closed down to use the permits they have, and to make sure that their focus is more supply, lower prices for american families, and not record profits? >> well, i can turn the question back to the administration, of course, gene. is the administration doing enough? and at a pace that actually is commensurate with what you are seeing with the fast pace of the rising inflation. i mean, you had secretary janet yellen, on tuesday, saying that
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tariff reductions could help bring down prices. commerce secretary said it may mange sense to lift some tariffs on goods. what is the administration's response to that notion? those are two ideas. those might offer some solutions not only in the long-term but the short run. what state of play are we in? >> you are right. i think there are lots of different things we can do. and you saw the president reduce some tariffs on -- on solar equipment coming into the united states to, also, keep prices lower. you know, there is some things we could do that he can do on his own. be with passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill, he was able to get companies to commit together to offer low, eeb even free internet to households. that's something he could rally companies and others to commit to but, you know, laura, there is so much more we could do if we had some cooperation from congress. shipping prices. company after company says the
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exorbitant profits and the exorbitant price hikes of shipping companies bringing products into the u.s. is being passed on directly to consumers. we can stop that. we can at least reduce the pressure of prescription drug price by letting prices that families are say -- paying the same families -- by allowing medicare to negotiate with companies and bring down those prices. and i think the president is made very clear that he is willing to look at other measures related more directly to gas prices but -- but listen. this is a global phenomenon. there is not a silver bullet to this russian' aggression at the moment. the fact that the president's being straight about that but also making clear we are willing to do every single thing we can to help bring down gas prices. and look. you to see that forecasters do project that prices will moderate this year. but we understand, again, that is of little comfort when people, you know, are seeing the $4.99 at the -- at the gas pump.
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and getting another, you know, disappointing inflation report today. >> yeah. gene sperling, we look forward to hearing more from the ningds. i mean, as gas prices are rising, some people's bank accounts are really running on fumes as you can imagine. thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you, laura. appreciate you having me. well, we have got an amazing true-crime a husband and wife was murdered, the daughter who's known as baby holly found alive. that's actually her holding the picture of her with her parents. my next guest is a big part of the reason why baby holly was found. we'll look at how she used science to solve two mysteries and will it help in the search for justice, we'll talk about it when "cnn tonight" returns.
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bittersweet. baby holly vanished along with her parents in 1980. a religious group told her family that the couple ran away with them. the couple was murdered in 1981. however, that maybe who's now a grown woman, her life was spared. she was reunited with her family over zoom just on tuesday. holly's grandmother telling cnn today is a blessing. >> i just kept praying and hoping and never gave up hope and believing in the lord that he will reveal it to me eventually. i asked what happened to my son and his wife and the baby. we never gave up. none of us. >> i am joined by the gen
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genea genealogist, who identified the b baby, this story is unbelievable. tell me how it came to pass and how you were aware? >> it was shocking. we were in the process of identifying a male and female for harris county. when we got to point where we needed to verify that we have the right identity, i made a phone call along with my colleagues to debbie burke and that's donna's daughter and dean's sister. i gave her the bad news. the next words out of her mouth
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were "what about the baby"? i said, "what baby?" we learned through records and the fact she was not found with her parents. >> they did not know their loved ones had been killed, led alone that the baby was missing. >> that's right. that's one of the heinous things about this crime is not only was the couple murdered but the people that were behind this horrible crime went back and confronted the family with his car and tried to extort money and said we'll drive this car back to you. so they made it seem as dean and tina rejected the family. they're with a cult now and rejecting the family and leave them alone. not only they lose them
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physically but emotionally, they thought they were being rejected. that's a horrible thing. >> speaking of the emotional aspect. i am wondering how baby holly, how did she survive? was she raised by somebody and how did it happen? >> this is still an ongoing criminal investigation. some of the things they announced where she was raised in a happy family by people that did not have anything to do with the crime and what we do know she was left in a church in arizona and someone affiliated with that church eventually adopted her after some lengths of time. i don't think anybody could have convinced them at the time they were taken a child had been stolen. the story they were told that we are given up this baby because of a cult. again, there is a lie planted that made them not look further
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for the family. you know holly grew up thinking her parents didn't want her. >> what was her reaction when she realize this? it was not only a shock to the family who thought rejected but for her it was quite bittersweet to know that she had biological parents who had been murdered but this is how she's learning about it. >> right. i was not in the room when she learned about it. i met her on a zoom meeting. at some point holly is going to tell you her story and how she feels but i don't feel comfortable telling her story. i feel it is her story to tell. >> i want to know, allison peacock, you work with dna and genea
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genealogists. it must have been a shock to you as well to lead to this consequence and results. >> it is very hard. of all the studies and the readings i have done, i have never heard anything like this. the implications that the child had been missing had to do something with the murder and to realize 40 years later, this child possibly in the company of somebody that killed her parents. it is an unusual case, very unique. >> allison peacock, thank you for sharing. we appreciate it. >> thank you. now, welcome to a bonus hour of "cnn tonight," i am laura coates, still, don lemon is off tonight. justice department released brand new video from the riot at the


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