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the chief speaks. miami michael smerconish in philadelphia. the question we've all been asking, why did law enforcement not intervene for 77 minutes in the texas elementary school shooting that killed 19 children and 2 teachers? in a moment, i'll ask the former fbi agent who created and ran the agency's active shooter program to respond to new developments. there is new reporting from "the new york times" and texas tribune that has started to shed some light, including the tribune's exclusive interview with the uvalde school district police chief. based on a review of documents and video, the times is saying this -- heavily armed officers delayed confronting a gunman in uvalde, texas, for more than an
hour despite supervisor's at the scene being told that some trapped with him in two elementary school classrooms were in need of medical treatment. meaning they were alive. instead the documents show they waited for protective equipment to lower the risk to law enforcement officers. the shooter entered the school at 11:33 a.m. and began shooting into a classroom at least 100 rounds. two minutes later, three uvalde police department officers arrived, approached the class door and two received grazing wounds from the shooter. by 12:03 p.m., as many as 19 officers had gathered in the hallway they thought they now had a barricaded situation at hand. but at 12:21 there was more gunfire and the cops still did not move on the shooter. finally, at 12:50 p.m., law enforcement used a key from a janitor and breached the locked classroom, shot and killed the suspect. more than two weeks after the fact, uvalde school district police chief pete arradondo gave an interstrew the texas tribune
by phone in written answers and in statements provided by his attorney george hyde. arradondo grew up in uvalde. he attended the robb elementary school where the shootings occurred. he told the tribune that several factored impeded a quicker response. among them, he went in without his police and campus radios because he wanted both hands free and thought the radios would be a physical impediment and likely wouldn't work inside the building. because of this, he was not in contact with the scores of other officers who arrived. he didn't know of the 911 calls from inside the classroom. the classroom doors had been re-enforced to keep intruders out, so to get access he was waiting on tactical gear and keys and this i think is key, he assumed some other official had taken over the command. arradondo told officers to start breaking windows from outside other classrooms and evacuating those children and teachers. he wanted to avoid having
students coming into the hallway where he feared too much noise would attract the gunman's attention. arradondo told the tribune, quote, not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children. we responded to the information that we had and had to adjust to whatever we faced. our objective was to safe as many lives as we could and the extraction of the students from the classrooms by all that were involved saved over 500 of our uvalde students and teachers before we gained access to the shooter and eliminated the threat. cnn has reached out to arradondo's attorney, dp-s and the school district for comment. arradondo not giving further interviews at this time. the uvalde tragedy happened despite steps that were taken locally to prepare for such an attack. the school district had doubled its budget for security. they updated protocols. they added more officers. and they hosted two active shooter trainings in the last two years. so, what went wrong? joining me now is the expert on
such preparedness, katherine was an fbi agent for 20 years before retiring in 2017 after the shootings at the sandy hook el men tear school in 2012, she ran the bureau's active shooter program and now the author of "stop the killing how to end the mass shooting crisis" thanks so much for being here. here is my first question, can the neutralizing the shooter protocol, can that be taught? or does it require some innate skill, either you have it or you don't? >> well, i think we never know if we're willing to go after somebody and kill them unless we have a chance to do it, right? but i think you can train it. that's the whole idea of combat. that's the whole idea of warfare. that's the whole idea of policing. we train police officers so that they have the confidence to do that. >> you were interviewed for this piece that contained the interview that the chief has now given. respond among other things to him leaving the radios outside. said he wanted two hands free.
wasn't sure if they would work. your reaction? >> well, equipment is equipment. you have to carry it with you. once you isolate yourself, you don't have any way to talk to the rest of your team. you know, it's kind of telling, you said -- your reading his quote from is that story and saying we did this. he said we did this. we did this. we did this. there wasn't a we. he said he was in the hallway. he doesn't know what people were doing outside. he didn't know what efforts were being made. so in one hand he's saying, well, he came as the police chief for the school district with two officers from the city and they did these things. well, they did them very -- in a very short amount of time. then he was apparently no longer in communication with them. he should have had his communication devices with him. he should have found a way to do that. he should be able to carry his own equipment. >> how about his assumption that someone else must have taken control? >> yeah. you know, that's -- you know, this is an experienced police chief. certainly no law enforcement officer there wanted this to be
the result. but when you get group think and people don't think about who is in charge, somebody has to be in charge. and certainly someone should have taken charge outside. there's no question about it. but he should have directed somebody to be in charge or, you know, he should have left somebody else at that door. he's a police chief. even if it's in a small school district. that's one of the struggles with texas is they have just friday they had their meeting for the texas school district, you know, police chiefs. and they're small departments. they have hundreds of very small police departments with two and four and six people protecting these schools. and you know, maybe that's something that they got to rethink. >> okay. look, i'm trying to be fair to law enforcement. i regard myself as being generally supportive of law enforcement. this baffles me. so they get there and they assess the situation as having now become a barricaded situation. but then there's more gunfire. you heard the chronology i presented. >> right.
>> if they assumed it was a barricaded situation but they now hear gunfire, they've got to go in, right? >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, there's -- i want to say there's no excuse. i could say that if those were my people who did that. and i know the doj and cop's office is going to do a full tear down of what happened and give us an after-action that gives us minute to minute. but we have a lot of information that tells us there were shots being fired and law enforcement 101 is if shots are being fired you have to go to the sound of the shots and you have to neutralize the people. even if you have to get through re-enforced door or walls or windows. i mean, the fact that they would break out windows in a bunch of classrooms but they wouldn't break them out in those classrooms to get to the shooter is a question, you know, that i would be asking my team. >> okay. your book is called "stop the shooting," can we? can we stop the shooting? are there warning flags that you can see in these type of people that you can say, there it is
right there. they should be stopped before they get to the school? >> yeah. actually the book is called "stop the killing" but, yes. there are tons of flags that we can look for. you know, individuals who are doing this kind of violence move on a trajectory towards that violence. they get the idea to do it. then they plan and prepare. that's where we see these kids and these adults buy their weapons, buy their equipment, surveil the area, plus they also leak this information to people. it's astonishing how people don't understand -- people don't know that in 80 to 90% of the instances somebody else is told this is going to happen. the shooter leaks the information. >> wow. >> to somebody. so you really -- >> wow. >> you really have to listen to the people around you. yeah, 80 to 90% of the time. so more for younger shooters. little less for adults, you know, the average age of this type of shooter is 35. median age 32. but these school shootings obviously are a lot of times
younger people, as we know. and they leak information almost all the time. >> run, fight, hide. quickly, is that still the model? >> yes. run, hide, fight is the model. run if you can. escape meaning run if you can, hide if you must, and fight if you have to to save your life. and i'll tell you when we did our initial research that in 160 incidents, 21 of the 160 incidents just like this were disrupted and successfully stopped by unarmed individuals. don't think because you're not carrying a weapon that you can't fight and win against this guy. you can. but first run. >> lot of good messages. stop the killing is the proper title. kate, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it. >> any time. any time. what are your thoughts? tweet me at smerconish, go to my facebook page. i'll read responses throughout the course of the program. what do we have, kathd erine.
they chose their own safety over the children. could i comment cholly on the outgunned. you know what i wonder, why there's not more voice from law enforcement on the gun issue generally. right? why don't we more often hear from cops who say to legislatures, you got to do something? because we are arriving on scenes and we are outgunned. you think there would be more voice. maybe it's because they're so tied to the gun culture. i don't know. but i'm waiting for that and maybe that could change the dynamic. new issue, with the january 6th hearings now under way, we're all paying attention. my question is, can anything still change people's minds? or are we all dug in on our impression of january 6th? well, last night i appeared with wolf blitzer on the situation room. we had this exchange. >> the committee did reveal former president trump was essentially cheering on the mob
while his vice president made calls to stop the violence. what will you be listening for in the upcoming -- from upcoming witnesses from pence's inner circle? because they will be very, very significant. >> there's one game changer in this process. it's mike pence. how could the former vice president hear what we heard last night and not himself want to be a part of this process? he stands the prospect of being the john dean in all of this. and instead it's a story that's going to be told through aides unless something changes. we're still learning things about the vice president within the last hour. politico reported that the vice president was provided a legal memo in the days before january 6th where they were meticulously monitoring all of the election charges that were being made by the president and his supporters. they weren't finding merit in any of them. if he would decide to come forward and participate, i think that would blow the lid off this
pros says. i don't expect it. why wouldn't he? it has to be only that he's fearful of alienating the base because of his own future aspirations. >> you agree with what i told wolf blitzer? how could mike pence not want to testify? you know, the guy whom outside as he was being ushered out of the well of congress by secret service trying to save his life, they're chanting for his execution. how could he avoid? why would he not want to be the first witness? this is this week's survey question. go to my website at smerconish.com and answer this question, would testimony from former vice president mike pence be a january 6th investigation game changer? my vote is a yes. many millions are enjoying flexibility of remote work. corporate executives pushing to get them back in the office. will working from home turn out to be a pandemic anomaly or a
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mohammed bin salman garnered most of the criticism it has received. the kingdom being accused of using the tournament to help clean up its reputation of human rights abuses a and alleged state sponsored kills including the death of washington post journalist jamal khashoggi in 2018. criticism from human rights activists and golf fans hasn't prevented some of the game's most famous players including phil mickelson from joining up and starring in the event. mickelson receiving a nine figure payout just to play in the liv golf tournament. moments after they teed off outside of london this week, the pga tour suspended 17 of them including mickelson saying they were quote no longer eligible to participate in event os on the american-based tour. my next guest is a biographer of phil mickelson he was kicked out of the press conference at liv
this week. he texted the head of liv greg norman where he was aware of the incident, norman replied did not hear. thanks for letting me know. he found cnn footage that norman was not only away what was on the ground behind him watching the entire situation. his ouster came after publishing controversial comments from mickelson down playing the saudi's human rights affronts. they're scary m-fers to get involved with. they have a horrible record on human rights and killed khashoggi. knowing this, why would i consider it? this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reshape how the pga tour operates. now, this is how the six-time major champion is defending joining the saudi-backed tour this week. >> i don't condone human rights violations. i don't know how i can be any more clear. i understand your question. but again, i love this game of golf. i've seen the good that it's
done. and i see the opportunity for liv golf to do a lot of good for the game throughout the world. i'm excited to be a part of this opportunity. >> joining me now is allen shipnick, a partner with the fire pit collective the author of "phil:the rip roaring and unauthorized biographer of golf's most colorful superstar." why were you booted from the presser this week sfl. >> well, the people involved with liv including the players they want the money but they don't want the scrutiny. you know, they want the fame and the glory. they don't want the accountability. and so, i think we know that saudi arabia does not exactly encourage an independent, free press. apparently the liv golf circuit absorbed those values. so i was just here doing my job, trying to ask a few boring golf questions but that was too much for them. so i was couple of goons man handled me and took me out of phil's press conference. it was a wild overreaction.
but i think it kind of reflects the siege mentality that lot of the people with liv are feeling. they're feeling the heat and criticism and just overreacted. >> did phil have a choice? i ask that because i read and enjoyed your book. what most stands out from your book are the stories about his gambling. you have him laying a significant wager on the baltimore ravens years ago. and on the day i think it was of the afc championship game he's playing in a tournament and yet he's wired to a radio so he can keep tabs on the game. >> yeah. that's not normal behavior of a casual sports fan. you know, that's been one of the underlying questions is why is phil chasing this saudi money so hard? and you know, earlier in the week he admitted he had a gambling addiction, a powerful word. and that it got so bad it threatened his financial well being. he claims to have gotten it
under control. i hope that's true, but there's no real way of knowing that. but we know he's made a fortune through the years. the question is how much has he kept? and there's some -- despite phil's public statements there's still some question about that. so, i think the saudi money was very intoxicating for him. and but phil is a complex guy. and there's another element to this is he wanted to be right. he's very strident and self righteous and sees himself as this maverick and agent of change and wanted to reshape the entire sport in his image. no one gets in bed with the saudis without the money for sure, but phil saw this as an opportunity to shake things up and to really be a transformative figure in the sport. that was very appealing to him as well. >> let me ask you this question about golf generally and the impact. while the majors are allowing qualified players to play this year, what's going to happen
next year if the world golf rankings do not recognize the liv tour, in other words, will those players be able to maintain their world rankings to qualify for the majors? or is this a quiet way for the majors to not get involved with the story but take a side. >> that's the most important piece is what the world rankings are going to do. but that could be litigated because if you have these tournaments that have a number of major championship winners and hall of famers and big time players to not acknowledge those events and hand out the world ranking points they frankly deserve, it is a partisan decision. and you know, the world ranking is supposed to be independent body. so i think ultimately they're going to have to -- tiger woods has a tournament with only 20 players and no cut every year. it's just an exhibition to raise money for his foundation. but the world rankings governing
body awards points for that tournament which is kind of a farce. this is much more of an actual competition with a deeper field and a lot of players. so i think the precedent is that they're going to have to acknowledge these events and give them world ranking points. and then the players who join the liv tour get what they want, they get the money, they get a reduced schedule and still play in the four tournaments that really matter. so, this is unresolved, but i think we know the direction it's going to go. >> hey, alan, i'm a political guy. i'm not a golf guy. i have a 27 handicap. but i keep wondering if these golfers are going to get some protection from the fact that president biden is himself reportedly about to sit down with mbs because of escalating gas prices so that phil is going to be able to say, if biden is meeting with the guy, why can't i play in the tournament? any way, loved your book. thank you for being here. i appreciate your time. enjoy the tournament. >> okay.
thanks for having me. let's see what you're saying on my smerconish twitter and facebook pages. and via youtube. the world of twitter, it's hard to reconcile the attacks on mickelson and others. come on, i didn't know this was coming. did i not just prove that i don't see the social media that they put up in front of me. that is the point. right? i mean, president biden who said i'm going to make saudi arabia as a candidate, make saudi arabia a pariah is now going to sit down with mbs. and by the way, i don't know that that's necessarily the wrong move because of the energy crisis that we are now facing. and i have spoken to 9/11 victims who say their understanding of it as long as biden when he gets mbs in that room reminds him of the saudi role in september 11, 28 pages and all of those corresponding issues. i want to remind you go to my website at smerconish.com. answer this week's survey question. register for the daily newsletter while you're there. would testimony from former vice
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with the challenges of working remotely becoming increasingly harder to ignore, a growing number of corporate executives now want to put an end to the work from home revolution born out of the covid-19 pandemic. according to research conducted by microsoft earlier this year, 50% of leaders say their company already requires or plans to require full-time in-person work in the year ahead. netflix is one of those companies. it's co-ceo is one of the most outspoken business leaders around remote working. >> i think it's really valuable and important and useful to have in-person meetings. and i miss that. so, i would say there's nothing good about the ten-person zoom call than i wouldn't rather do in person. >> earlier this month, tesla and spacex ceo elon musk issued an
ultimatum to his employers, musk told workers they were required to spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office per week, those who did not do so would be fired. but many workers have gotten used to the flexibility. and they seem to have the leverage. the unemployment rate currently sits at 3.6%, meaning there are more open jobs than workers to fill them. landon covers wall street for the new york times writing extensively about exactly these issues and joins me now. so are there trends by industry in terms of who is going back to work and who is not? >> yes, michael. thanks for having me. and i think mr. hastings and mr. musk might be in a bit of a pickle here because the tech industry is actually very far ahead of other industries in allowing their workers to work remotely, maybe forever. you know, so a lot of announcements from companies like twitter, airbnb have gotten
a lot of attention to allow remote workers to do their thing. this work from home experiment has shown that people have been productive. the tech industry is really leading the charge there. in the industry i cover in wall street there's a lot of divergence. some firms are sticklers about trying to get people back in the office five days a week. goldman sachs one of them. other firms super hardline about this, jp morgan and morgan stanley had to soften their tone because they have seen the staff have been dragging their feet and not coming back in as much as they would like. >> what kind of perks are you seeing offered by employers to try to lure back the work force? >> well, food is a big one. so a lot of companies are offering free lunches, snacks, you know, ad hoc gatherings, pizza on particular days to try to drive that critical mass in. other companies are also offering flexibility that means that, you know, staff can maybe take two weeks off during the year to work from anywhere, but
that trying to keep people happy more generally so that they're more likely to come into the office more regularly. >> what explains the hesitancy by workers? >> well, first of all, i see that a lot of your guests are still dialing in from home and you're interviewing them from their home offices. and the point is that a lot of people have been able to prove that they've been really productive during this period. and so that argument that remote working doesn't work, that people slack off and stay at home and watch tv all day just doesn't hold water anymore. so i think that's the first main point. second is a lot of people have long commutes and sort of miserable commutes, particularly in new york city. people have really long commutes here. and so, that becomes less palatable and it takes up a lot of time to commute as well and is expensive. so that's a key barrier for a lot of people who don't want to return back to the office. so, i think those two things are really huge. >> i think the ripple effects of this are really significant. i think about my own experience in the decade that i was
practicing law. first of all, there's an impact on the commercial real estate market, but i would park the car. i would grab a cup of coffee nearby the law office. i would go to lunch. i might have a cocktail at the end of the day. i might get my shoes shined. i might go to a news stand. all of those are now impacted. >> yes, that's right. i think one of the statistics that the controller of the city talked about is that wall street employees i think are connected to ten other employees in the city. you know, for all of those services that you mentioned, you know, you might go and do some dry cleaning or go out to a restaurant or go to two restaurants in a day. so there is a huge question about how cities deal with this scattering of remote workers. in particular the big metropolitan areas. new york city only has 8% of companies back in the office full time. and you know, in the major cities across the u.s., i think the occupancy rate for offices is around 43%.
so that's still pretty low. and that will be a big question going forward, how cities deal with this. >> scott galloway, a friend from nyu was here talking about this here recently with me and he said don't overlook the impact on mentorship. his advice to young people was get back into the office because proximity is key to your career enhancement. you get the final word on this. >> i think you can have proximity but you can also have flexibility and it's still -- the jury is still out where we land on this, but i do think that workers are really going to insist on more flexibility at the same time as wanting some physical and in-person interaction. you can have both. we'll see where we land. >> are you writing from "the new york times" in the office or at home? >> both. so i'm a perfect example the hybrid worker. >> the hybrid worker. lananh, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. i want to remind everybody,
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happiness and fulfillment as well as personal and professional success and with no harmful side effects. what is it? joining me now to discuss is dr. anthony, an emergency medicine physician, a lawyer and co-president and ceo of the cooper university healthcare system and coauthor of the brand new book "wonder drug" seven scientifically proven ways that serving others is best medicine for yourself. i read it. i loved it. it takes aim at this current self help orthodoxy which tells people to focus on themselves and their own happiness for a better life but you found that serving others in kindness actually positively affects your own health and life. explain. >> yeah, it's true, michael. my coauthor and i reviewed over 250 peer reviewed studies and the science is overwhelming that serving and caring about others is the key to all the benefits
you just listed. it's what we found in the data. the science directly contradicts that help self experts push sol dare pursuits to following your passions and focus on self care. however, when we take our eyes off ourselves and turn our attention to serve others and care about others that it's a powerful medicine that heals our bodies and improves our emotional state and changes how others view us. >> you're telling me that our mothers were right, karma, actually makes a difference and you say the data backs it up. give me an example. >> well, in reality, the universe owes us nothing. karma or pay it forward is transactional. we're talking about something transformational. caring about other people has five mechanisms it affects you. it act vats the reward centers on the brain. second, increases what we call the fantastic four neuro transmitters. dope mean, oxytocin, endorphins and fine tunes the nervous system.
activates the resting in calm, over the sympathetic system fight or flight. fourth, down regulates systemic inflammation which can cause cardiovascular disease and cancer among other things. fifth, it buffers the body's sfresz response which is another cause of disease. >> maz, the premise is be kind. okay. i get that. how much of a commitment does this require from each of us? do we have to go work at a soup kitchen? >> no. first, start small. start with those around you. simply make the decision to look outward to give help, care and connect more. how much do you need to do to make a difference? in multiple studies it's 100 hours a year. that works out to on average 16 minutes a day. second, be purposeful. hunt around for ways to help others. ask the right questions when you can detect to make a difference for someone. giving up a seat on a bus, kind i approach to colleagues at work. vounl tear work. third, find common ground. we make incredibly wrong
assumptions about people. underestimate them. assume the worst. and often underestimate the impact we can have on them. 2017 study found that 40% of republicans and 40% of democrats define the opposing party as down right evil. 20% of both parties agreed the members of the both side lack the traits to be fully human. miss out on way too many opportunities to shine on others if you don't expand your view of who you're willing to connect with including people who think differently than you do. >> republicans, be kind to democrats. members of the democratic party, be kind to republicans because it may literally extend your own life. >> yes. yes. >> okay. because i have a cynic gene in me, i need to ask this, do i have to mean it? can i be kind to you but really not in my heart. >> no, you have to mean it. the scientific evidence shows that motives matter. the more you mean it, the better the benefit. if you're what social scientists
call a strategic helper, only doing it to make yourself look good or get something in return, you'll get minimal benefits. the good news is it's not hard to train yourself to care for real. actual caring follows that decision to help others. >> dr. maz, what if i too want to some day be the co-ceo of a major health system and have a corner office just like i presume you're sitting in. if i'm nice to everybody, i'm not going to be gordon gekko. i'm never getting the office, am i? >> not true. we think of the apex predator gets to the top by dominating all competition. some do. it's harder for those types, according to the research. demonstrates giving and supporting types are the people with the wind at their back rather than a target on their back. the data supports something called id owe sin crowsy credit. if your colleagues like you, they'll be happy for your success. if they dislike you, they'll resent your eyes and plot to
take you down. >> to quote mickey hart from the grateful dead, if i just am kind, if i be kind, i'm getting the big office, i'm living longer and people are going to like and respect me? it all sounds too good to be true. >> it is. >> it is true. not too good to be true. >> it is absolutely true. exactly. it is true. not too good to be true. the science shows it. it's not an opinion. it's what we found in the science. >> all right. our moms know best. wonder drug. thanks mazz. i appreciate it very much. good luck. >> thanks, michael. still to come, more of your best and worst tweets and facebook comments. i love this week's survey question. i hope you're voting on it. go to smerconish.com right now. would testimony -- we keep talking are they moving the information, all this information, prime time, liz cheney, would testimony from mike pence be an investigation game changer?
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time to see how you responded to the survey question. would testimony from mike pence be a january 6th investigation game changer? here's the result. what do we got? yeah, 76% have the correct idea, and nearly -- now they tell me more than 25,000 have already voted. it's the one thing that could be a game changer in all of this. i think neilson said 20 million people watched. that's a pretty big number. but are the people watching already those most concerned
about january 6 and not wanting to see a repeat? is it breaking through? we still don't know the answer to that. if mike pence were to testify and talk about what he went through from election day until january 6, including that day, that could be a game changer. i'll leave the question up. you can keep voting. katherine, social media reaction, what else came in? pence will never be elected president. he should do the right thing. right, but dr. seigel, he thinks he might be elected president. and the only reason -- come on, put yourself in his position. you have to be ushered into a secret bunker on january 6th because people outside are calling for your execution. and now factor in that liz cheney told us the other night that president trump's response was, hey, maybe our supporters have the right answer, pence deserves it. trump has denied that, but by the way, he ought to testify, too. but if you're mike pence, i mean, how are you not demanding
to be heard on all this? it makes no sense. what else came in? i see nothing. biden is going to saudi arabia to help fill gas tanks at a reasonable price. golfers are going to fill their pockets, no comparison, none. nah, i don't agree, nancy franklin. not where as a candidate biden said he was going to make saudi arabia a pariah. by the way, they ought to be a pariah. 15 of the 19 hijackers on september 11th, a very credible case in my opinion based on the 28 pages that some close to the saudi royal family knew what was coming. just my opinion, but i think an informed one. not to mention the execution of jamal khashoggi. no, you lie down with dogs, you get what's coming. but i am making the observation that if biden sits down with mbs, i think phil mickelson and rest have cover. a little competition for the pga is not a bad thing.
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