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hi, everyone, thanks for joining us for joining me. i'm amara walker in today for fredericka whitfield. the price of gas in the u.s. is hitting levels never seen before. aaa saying the national average is now $5 a gallon, a new all-time high. prices climbing at a dramatic pace, 60 cents in the last month alone. more than 20 states are now over that average. california the highest at $6.43. cnn's paul vercammen is live at
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a gas station in l.a. paul, how are people reacting to these very high gas prices in california? >> reporter: they're reacting with shock and they're in agony. if you look behind me, this gas station is considered a discount at $6.09 a gallon. as you articulated, here in california the average now, $6.42. what drives all of this, california has an extremely high gas tax at 51 cents per gallon. these taxes used to improve roads and infrastructure and whatnot. for these vendors we're talking to today, they're absolutely getting jackhammered by these prices. a family rental business, party rental business, busy time of the year, weddings, graduations, father's day around the corner, what takerhey're doing now is o
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filling up a partial tank at a time. >> it went up a dollar in a week. we only filled a quarter tank and it will probably last us maybe for the rest of the day. if not, we'll have to fill up later on today again, another 60. >> reporter: so if you do the math, that's about $240 to fill up that large van, so they can make their deliveries. they say they have to pass this on to the consumers and of course consumers are debating whether they can afford the party rentals. it's one huge, colossal ripple effect, amara, as southern california are gracppling with these high prices. >> thank you, paul. president biden spoke to reporters in new mexico just moments ago about plans to ease gas prices and also about gun safety. cnn's arlette saenz is live with
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more. >> reporter: president biden once again lamented the high gas prices that americans are feeling, saying that it is in part due to russia's war in ukraine. the president spoke to reporters about the administration's efforts to try to drive down some of those prices and release more oil that could be purchased. take a listen. >> it's outrageous what the war in ukraine is causing. we're trying very hard to make sure we significantly increase the number of barrels of oil that are being pumped out of the reserve we have. we've got 240,000 barrels as well coming from other nations. we're going to keep pushing on it. we're going to keep pushing. >> reporter: of course those high gas prices are part of what was driving up that record inflation report yesterday, which was really dismal compared to what the administration had hoped to see.
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the president was asked about the prospect of him possibly traveling to saudi arabia, potentially next month. that is what advisers have said, a trip is likely, or at least a meeting with the president and crown prince mohammed bin salman likely happening next month. the president says he hasn't decided to travel there, and he said if he does travel there, it would be to discuss national security issues, not just energy. the u.s. is hoping there will be increased production to try to provide some more stable prices when it comes to gas, both domestically and abroad. additionally, the president was also asked about those march for our lives marches going on across the country. he urged people to continue to demonstrate and show lawmakers that they want to see action especially with those november midterm elections coming up, amara. >> interesting comments there.
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arlette saenz, thank you very much. asnational protesters are happening nationwide. more than 300 march for our lives rallies are happening today, ralliers urging lawmakers to address the gun violence epidemic. i want to begin with whitney wild at the capitol. what's going on there, whitney? >> reporter: >> reporter: we're steps from the capitol. speakers are continuing to explain why this is so important. as if it needs any more explanation. what they say is clearly because there has not been enough action, there need to be more stories, more clarity, that this is such a real issue that affects all different types of the american experience. it happens in neighborhoods every day, it happens at
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supermarkets, it happens at churches, it happens at schools. the point is to expose that gun violence doesn't discriminate. it affects the entirety of the american experience, and people here are demanding change. we've heard from speakers who lost loved ones to gun violence like garnell whitfield whose mother was murdered at the tops supermarket earlier this month. what he said was, he called on lawmakers and called on, really, all americans to remember that our most precious commodity is people. we also heard from david hogg, a survivor of the parkland shooting in 2018, on valentine's day, when a shooter killed more than a dozen students at his high school. here is what he had to say earlier today. >> here is the reality. if our government can't do anything to stop 19 kids from being killed and slaughtered in their own school and decapitated, it's time to change
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who is in government. as we gather here today, the next shooter is already plotting his attack, while the federal government pretends it can do nothing to stop it. since the shooting in texas, the senate has done only one thing. they have gone on recess. >> reporter: there was a moment here when the clock on the monitor behind me hit 78 minutes, and it was a count of how long it took for the shooting in uvalde, for police to finally enter the school in uvalde. what's very clear is people are calling on elected officials, on law enforcement, on anybody who has any role in changing this gun violence epidemic to do more. again, you know, this march happened four years ago in washington. in that time, how many mass shootings have there been, how many lives have been lost? the question posed to elected leaders and again, to law
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enforcement, members of the justice system, is how many more people have to die before more action is taken. back to you. >> and how many gun control reform bills have been passed in congress, none. thank you so much, whitney wild. cnn's polo sandoval joins us live from new york. >> reporter: amara, it was only four weeks ago today that new yorkers experienced firsthand the pain that comes with these mass shootings, of course talking about that shooting that took place in buffalo, new york. here we are four weeks later and new yorkers have been rethe balance -- regalvanized. we saw a massive group of demonstrators come together in brooklyn and march over the iconic brooklyn bridge and arrived in lower manhattan to hear speakers. their message is the same, more
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needs to be done, especially at the federal level, calling on lawmakers to act, especially in the senate. what perhaps stands apart here is what we saw from state lawmakers just a few days ago as they introduced and enacted a lengthy list of legislation passed and signed by governor hochul, among those provisions, even increasing the age that's required to purchase certain weapons. and that is what i'm hearing from people here in new york that would like to see similar legislation not only introduced and passed at the house level but at the senate level nationally. they're very familiar with the reality that that may not happen. that's why they're coming together to make sure their call not only extends throughout new york and the country "mabut mak it to washington, dc. >> thank you, polo.
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brian sanchez, tell us what people are feeling. >> reporter: amara, i do have to update you a little bit on a bit of a security scare we had here just a few minutes ago. someone in the crowd did something to spark fear in the crowd. many members in the crowd started rushing toward us this way in a panic, it was a mini stampede for a few minutes because people got knocked down. one of the designated speakers got on the loudspeaker and said do not run, there is no emergency. and then things kind of calmed down. the park police just issued a statement saying that someone in the crowd interfered with a permitted event and that that person has been detained and an investigation is ongoing. that's really all we can tell you at the moment. there was that kind of a scare here a short time ago, kind of illustrating the tension around this event. right now, i'm joined by raymond
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whitfield, whose mother, ruth whitfield, was killed in the buffalo grocery store shooting. he's here with his niece, simone crowley. your brother darnell a short time ago addressed the crowd and said that your family was kind of on the sidelines of the debate, until this happened to your family. going through what you've gone through, now coming here and speaking, what do you want people to know, people who have not been directly affected by gun violence, based on your experience, what do you want those people on the sidelines to know about this debate? >> let me say this. my mother was an avid watcher of cable news. so much so that the grandchildren would say, cnn again? there were so many times that we sat there watching the victims of gun violence, cry with them. the second it was over, we could wipe away the tears, pull ourselves together and go on with our lives. but when you're standing here, these are the tears you can't
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walk away from. these tears will last a lifetime. and it's time that we recognize that this can happen, if it can happen in a grocery store at 2:30 in the afternoon to an 86-year-old woman who couldn't run if she wanted to, it could happen to you, anywhere, at any time. it is time for this country to recognize the scourge of america is white supremacy. it is time to support an anti-white-supremacy hate crime bill. >> you and your brother, your entire family have been very eloquent in delivering that message. we thank you for speaking with us today. we hope you can get through the grieving process all right, it's impossible to really get through it. >> we haven't it a chance to grieve yet. but thank you. >> reporter: it's this kind of message that's been delivered over and over again. congresswoman cori bush gave an
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impassioned speech about how she was threatened with gun violence by a partner of hers years ago. they're delivering a message that it's time for congress to do something about ending gun violence. but frankly, after talking to people in the crowd today, there's not a lot of confidence that this can get done. >> that's a good point, brian, this is not just teheir story bt america's story. thank you very much, brian todd. the house investigative committee will hold three more hearings. we'll tell you what's expected in the days to come. no wayyyy. no waaayyy! no way! [phone ringing] hm. no way! no way! priceline. every trip is a big deal.
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attack on the capitol unfolded with graphic video and never-before-heard testimony. they argued that the former president led a sophisticated seven-point plan to overturn the 2020 election, incite the capitol riot, and subvert american democracy. jennifer rogers is a cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. jennifer, thanks so much for joining me. first off, what did you think of thursday's prime time opening statement from the panel? >> i was really impressed, amara. it really exceeded by expectations. i thought they needed to present the new evidence they were talking about and set forth the clear, concise way, the attack on the constitution that trump and his allies perpetrated. i thought the way they used video, overlaying video of
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gruesome violence at the capitol with the president's words about how there was love in the air and it was peaceful, i thought was really, really compelling. >> sources told cnn that attorney general merrick garland and other justice department officials were watching the hearing to see what crimes if any they thought had occurred. did you see any evidence of a crime on thursday? >> we've been talking about this for months and months as evidence has trickled out, about what's been captured by the committee. and i'm not surprised garland and his folks are paying attention. e it's clear the committee thinks crimes were committed here and that they'll make a criminal referral to the department of justice and justice will have to decide what to do. i do see evidence of crimes. the question is what does that evidence look like when they put it all together and can they reach the burden of proof that they'll need to take this to trial. i do think there is ample
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evidence of a conspiracy crime against the united states and also a conspiracy that many of the insurrectionists from january 6th have already been charged with, a conspiracy to thwart congress in doing its constitutional duties. >> and we were talking about this in an editorial meeting this morning, regarding the overall goal of the committee. it seems like it's multifaceted, it's not just getting legal accountability for those involved or responsibility, but also for there to be political ramifications, and for the public to actually care and understand the significance of what actually happened on january 6th. >> i think you're right, you know, clearly they want legal accountability. clearly they want some political ramifications here. but this is a historic moment in our nation. this has never, ever happened before, a president trying to subvert democracy in this way. it's part of the historical record.
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i think many members of the january 6th committee are very aware of that as they press forward. they want this to be in the record and they want the american public to know about it. that's certainly one of their major goals here. >> what are you looking forward to in the days ahead in terms of what we might hear or see, and the line that the committee is trying to draw between trump and these groups like the proud boys and oath keepers? >> so they are going to start making good on their promise to march through these seven components of this multifaceted plot. they'll give us the evidence. we've heard about testimony that happened behind closed doors but we haven't seen most of it. i expect they'll start to show us the evidence, starting with the disinformation campaign, marching through to trying to subvert doj and get on board with this plot. i'm really looking forward to hearing about the evidence on the fraudulent slates of electors that came from seven states. i want to see all of it. and i think they've done a great job of telling us what's to come
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and making clear the committee holds former president trump responsible. >> president trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds, purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of americans that the election was corrupt and that he was the true president. as you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on january 6th. >> here now to discuss, cnn political analyst and professor of history and public affairs at princeton, julian zelizer. and cnn senior political analyst and senior editor at "the atlantic" ron brownstein. welcome to you both, gentlemen. julian, earlier this week you wrote a piece on cnn.com that the hearings are unlikely to change most republicans' minds about the events of january 6th. i'm sure it doesn't help that you have the likes of fox news who didn't even air the hearings
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live but had their hosts talking over these live feeds. do you still feel that way? >> yes. as powerful as the first day of hearings was, and i'm sure more is to come, it's still unlikely that the republican electorate, which lived through many shocks to the political system during the trump presidency, is going to change its position because of the findings. and as you're saying, added to that is the spin and kind of information you're getting from conservative media which would only strengthen those positions. so in many ways the republican party i think might just double down and continue with election denialism, even if the hearings continue to produce very dramatic and shocking information. >> look, we still don't know what the potential legal consequences or political consequences might be since there are several more hearings that we will be seeing over the
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next couple of weeks. but ron, democrats are hoping that these hearings will boost turnout for them at the polls during this year's midterms. do you think that is possible, especially considering all that's going on with inflation and all these supply shortages that we're facing? >> yeah, well, first of all, i'm less fatalistic about this having no impact on the public. during watergate richard nixon's ratings went from 90% on gallup to 50% the day he designed. obviously that's not going to happen. that's not because of conservative media rebutting it but also because republican election officials, even those dismayed by what has happened, are not standing up and saying this is wrong, other than kinzinger and cheney. it's a circular logic, republican elected officials says we can't say this is wrong because the base is turn on us.
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one of the reasons the base is unmoving in their refusal to acknowledge what happened is no officials they trust are giving them other cues. look, could this change turnout on the margins in 2022? sure. i think it was over 90 million separate americans came out to vote against trump in either the '16, '18, or '20 elections. this is a reminder of all the threats those voters saw. having said that, this is more of an issue for '24 than '22. as you point out, inflation and gas prices are overwhelming everything else. i think this will be more relevant when the question comes in '24 about whether the voters want trump or someone who is aligned with him to again control the powers of the presidency. >> it seems like the takeaway message is this threat to democracy could and will happen again if significant changes are not being made after this, julian. do you feel like the significance is being brought home, especially -- and i think there were a few articles in
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"the atlantic," there were concerns about dangers of using the shorthand "january 6th" where people aren't fully aware of the details, of the grave abuses that happened leading up and during on january 6th. julian, this is for you, sorry. >> i think -- i mean, the way to think about it is, there is, will the hearings affect the short term political environment or 2024. and the other is just the broader question. the responsibility of congress is to create historical accountability to what happened. and in doing that, we understand more not just january 6th on itself, but the entire orchestrated campaign to overturn the election, which then points to areas of vulnerability in our political system. and those are important if discussions of reforming that system continue, including the electoral count act which now has bipartisan interest in fixing. so i think what the committee is
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doing might be very relevant on that front. and it might give us better sense of the fissures in an election system we often take for granted. >> i want to ask that same question to you, ron. do you think -- i guess through these hearings, the public will become more aware of the significance and the details of january 6th? >> you know, as you were talking about the in your previous segment, what's really important is the committee is reframing the basic question. the basic question we've mostly been discussing in the last 18 months or so is, what did trump's words and actions, how much culpability did he have on the attack on the capitol. the committee is reframing this and portraying the attack on the capitol as just one component of a much larger attack on democracy, this multistep, multimonth, multipronged effort
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to subvert the election of the president. the success or failure of the committee will depend on the committee's ability to look to operationalize trump's lies about the election, making it harder to vote and increasing partisan opportunities to control the vote. there is an ongoing challenge here. i think that is what the committee is really trying to point the public toward. >> no doubt the stakes are extremely high for this country and our democracy. we'll leave it there, julian zelizer and ron brownstein, thank you so much. ron, stick around, we have more questions for you about increasing pressure to deal with rising crime in california and a reckoning for some candidates, what it means regarding that. we'll be right back.
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top two vote-getters. this is a sitting congresswoman against a political unknown. why was this race so close? >> partially it was close because rick caruso spent $40 million to introduce himself to voters of l.a. even with that money, many political analysts i spoke to said a few years ago it would have been inconceivable that someone with his profile, a former republican, white, developer, former member of the police commission, supported by the police unions, would have taken off. i think you saw in the l.a. mayoral race the same thing you saw in the san francisco d.a. recall, which is that voters, as you said, want more focus on basic functions of restoring order and safety. that doesn't mean they've abandoned interest in criminal justice reform or that they have lost concern about racial equity in the criminal justice system. but i think they are sending a clear message that those goals have to be kept in tandem with providing safety.
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i think what happened to the d.a. in san francisco in pick, chesa boudin, was that he seemed to prioritize the interests of the very small minority of people accused of crimes over the broader public's concern over the criminal justice system, that it keep them safe. so i think there's a recalibrating of democrats. >> i being from southern california, i know what these conversations sounded like, talking to my friends in san francisco, the rampant homelessness, the encampments, the crime in los angeles, the petty crime, including violent crime, which is also a major issue. but set the scene in terms of, you know, what los angelenos and people in san francisco have been dealing with on a daily basis. >> this is as much about order as it is about law and safety. some crimes are up, in l.a. has
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a more consistent rise in crime. in both cities, the concern about safety is driven as much by homelessness as, you know, crime per se, fear of being mugged. i think what's happened in both cities is there's a widespread sense among voters that the government and public officials have effectively given up on trying to protect public spaces for the public. and in both cities, particularly l.a., there are large encampments, homeless encampments that essentially are colonizing public spaces and creating an atmosphere where it is hard for people to get through their day without encountering someone who seems a threat to themselves or to others. for example, in los angeles, near where i live, the public library, the quintessential public service, the city has allowed it to be engulfed by a homeless encampment to a point where longtime resident and people with kids feel like they can't use the public service. that's an imbalance that is not sustainable politically. i think you saw a very clear message from voters on tuesday
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that they want a different balance in how the cities deal with these issues. >> i read a piece you wrote on cnn.com, the head of the california primary warning that an earthquake was building in california elections that would rattle the entire political landscape in america. is that's what's happened? >> yeah, look, i think it's already been developing. obviously eric adams won in new york, the mayoral race on similar themes. we have minneapolis, the voters there rejecting the ballot referendum to defund the police. in large democratic cities, people want a balance. it is a mistake to look at this as if they are abandoning interest in criminal justice reform. rob bonta who has been a supporter of reform cruised through this week. what they're saying is that cannot be the sole goal, you cannot take that goal to an extreme that seems to jeopardize
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other important aspects of this, particularly public safety. it's not clear that rick caruso is going to win. in the end it will be tough for him to get to 50%. it's going to be a competitive race all the way through. there could be a recall against the equally liberal district attorney who used to have the job in san francisco. they have until july 6th to get the signatures to get him on the ballot in november. his approval rating is underwater. again, it doesn't mean the voters -- we've gone back and erased the summer of 2020, it's not like it never happened. but there is a clear message of a recalibration that voters are asking for that puts a higher priority on safety and doesn't seem to take reform to absolutist steps that leads to people being picked up with guns repeatedly and being let out repeatedly with no consequences until they do something dire. >> balance being the keyword, obviously democrats and the white house are watching very closely and getting this message
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the james webb telescope had a bit of a space fender bender. one of the 18 golden segments of the telescope's giant mirror was hit by a micrometeoroid which is smaller than a grain of sand, according to an update from nasa. sorry, i can't see that. but don't worry, the space observatory is on track to share its first high resolution full color images on july 12th. if you look up to the skies and think you're enjoying a starry night, you minute looking at something else entirely. thousands of small satellites are currently or bitting the earth and threatening to forever change our view of the night sky. cnn's kristin fisher has more. >> reporter: here in this remote stretch of saskatchewan, a chance to see the brilliance of the night sky. >> that's so cool. >> reporter: but astronomer samantha lawler says that's changing and fast, as more and
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more satellites get in the way. >> for the first time in human history, we're not going to have access to the night sky the way that we've seen it since as long as we've been human. >> reporter: it only takes a few minutes of i see a satellite. right up there. yep, there's another one, i see a second satellite right there. there's one, there's two. >> yep. >> wow, that one is really bright. and really low. >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: an assistant professor, she's been watching from her farm as the number of active satellites exploded from about 1,000 in 2017 to more than 5,000 today. >> this is a lot worse than i expected. it's changing fast. >> reporter: and it's about to get worse. they created this simulation based on their predictions about satellite pollution. >> this is the number of satellites in orbit right now that we're seeing in the sky and
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this is adding in the tens of thousands more that are planned without regulation. >> that's crazy. it covers the whole earth. >> in less than a decade, lawler predicts one out of every 15 stars in the sky will be a moving satellite. it's the dawn of the mega kons at constellations. >> three, two, one. >> reporter: that provide global high speed internet access. elon musk's sax x is responsible for a third of all active satellites. more than any other company or country including the u.s. government. spacex has already launched more than 2,000 satellites with plans to launch at least 42,000 more for its mega constellation. they said, we firmly believe in
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the importance of a natural night sky which is why we have been working with leading astronomers around the world and the company has made changes by adding a deployable visor to block sunlight from hitting the spacecraft. but astronomers say it's not enough. as of now there are no rules monitoring the mega constellations. >> we're already seeing so many now, today. and there's going to be ten times as many. >> there's one. there's another satellite. >> reporter: kristen fisher, cnn. space'e's next chapter is brought to you b by morgan stanley. go to cnn.com/space's next chapter to learn more on the amazing fetes and engineering today.dern space exploration i am peter akwaboah, chief operating officer for technology,
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starting tomorrow, travelers no longer have to test negative for covid to enter the u.s. at midnight sunday the cd will lift the testing requirements. experts say based on the science it's no longer necessary. the cdc will reassess the decision in 90 days and only reinstate the rule if needed. the travel industry has been urging the biden administration for weeks to end the testing requirement, arguing it was hurting tourism. and to mexico now where a migrant caravan headed to the u.s. border now has up to 5,000 refugees, the united nations reporting they've divided into three groups and many of them
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are families with children still awaiting document processing as they continue their journey to america. matt rivers is in mexico with more details. >> reporter: this is the entrance to one of the busiest migrant shelters along the entire u.s./maexico boarder. it is jam packed with people. more than 400 people are staying here at the moment. it's certainly not designed to house that many people. they're all over the place, migrants. people are crowding this entire area. this building to your left has two floors, people are staying in both sides there. there's basically kitchens that are set up in various parts, everyone trying to help each other out to really just survive here in tijuana mexico. overcrowded shelters is something we've seen a lot the past few years but specifically the last few months.
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people arriving to the border all across the world. this is a permanent fixed facility and yet these tents were just put up over the past couple of months to accommodate the overflow. people have come from haiti to venezuela and el salvador, and other parts of mexico. i mention those countries because the biden administration had hoped the presidents of those countries would be attending the summit of the americas in california and yet the presidents of all four of those countries declined to attend. the biden administration hoped the leaders would show up to try to tackle issues like immigration. without those presidents there it gives you a sense of how much more difficult it will be for the biden administration, for president biden and his staff to comprehensively discuss issues surrounding celebration at this summit. a real challenge for the
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administration. matt rivers, cnn tijuana mexico. thanks to matt rivers for that. thanks for joining me today. cnn "newsroom" continues right now. we are live in the cnn "newsroom" i'm jim acosta in washington. the call to arms was coming from inside the white house. that is what the january 6th committee has promised to prove during hearings in the coming days. they say that evidence will show that former president donald trump knew he lost the 2020 election and didn't care, orchestrating a seven point plan to stay in power by any means necessary and directly inspiring violence against the capital in his name. here's what they're telling us from the first hearing. the presentation is no
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