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we're talking tonight about a number of new developments in the run-up to tomorrow's installment of the january 6th hearings. the hearings are expected to focus on the pressure former vice president pence was under that day in an attempt to invalidate the vote. tonight a picture of the pressure he faced, the photo shows him, his wife and daughter, and his congressman brother hiding from the mob in his office. the shot was taken moments after he and his family were evacuated from the senate chamber and shortly before they were taken to a loading dock in the basement. there's new reporting the select committee has between the wife of a supreme court justice and a key in the effort to pressure mike pence. so, ryan, this new reporting involves ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas, lawyer john eastman, an attorney for the
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trump campaign. what is the latest on this? >> we really don't know a lot about the content of these emails at this point, anderson. we just know they're in the possession of the january 6th committee and they involve the wife of a supreme court justice and john eastman who was at the center of the pressure campaign to stand in the way of the election results. the fact they're in the possession of the january 6th committee shows it was part of a traunch of emails through a court case eastman was looking to block emails that the committee deemed relevant to their investigation. he lost that court battle, which is the reason the committee has access to them. but at this point i'm told there is discussions about making this a part of their investigation in a broader since, perhaps even adding some content related to this to upcoming hearings. but the hearings are very packed right now. there is skepticism that thomas was a real central player in all the efforts to undermine, i
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should say, the election results. so, it's not a huge focus of the committee right now, but it is something they are at least paying some attention to. >> the committee also released video showing republican congressman barry loudermilk giving a tour the day before the insurrection where a man is shown taking photos of tunnels, staircases, and hallways. what did the committee say about this video and why they released it now? >> well, the committee thinks it's suspicious for a couple of reasons, the first being what he was taking pictures of, security sanctions, tunnels and pathways that lead from the capitol itself. things tourists normally don't take pictures of. then it's also coupled with this other video they found that the man took on january 6th while he was marching from that rally that took place outside the white house to here at the capitol where he makes very specific threats towards members of congress, including the house speaker nancy pelosi, alexandria
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ocasio-cortez, suggesting some should be dragged out by their hair. the united states capitol police looked into this surveillance video -- they did not have access to the other video. they deemed it not suspicious. the committee feels otherwise. they want to talk to congressman barry loudermilk, who led this tour, and get more information. but so far he's been resistant to their invitation to chat with them. >> the next hearing is tomorrow. what's the focus expected to be? >> it is going to be about that pressure campaign on mike pence. we're going to hear from people that were heavily involved in that, including his chief counsel, greg jacob, and also judge michael luttig, who was part of a group of people that were advising the vice president not to go along with the former president's plan. >> appreciate it. jamie gangel joins us now. what are you expecting tomorrow? >> reporter: well, anderson, as ryan just mentioned, we're going to hear about this pressure that
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trump and his allies put on mike pence. i expect we're also going to hear more from white house council eric hershmann, whose recent video tape testimony has gone viral for this exchange where he warned john eastman, that trump outside lawyer who's pushing the outlandish legal theories, to overturn the election. and this is what hershmann says to eastman, that he's going to need a lawyer himself. >> i said, good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great fing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. >> it turns out, anderson, that was good advice. and apparently eastman took it because according to sources familiar with the committee's work, when we watch those hearings tomorrow, we're going to see john eastman taking the fifth over and over and over. we understand he took it 146 times, anderson. >> there is also this new photo of vice president pence on january 6.
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what are your first assumptions about the committee focus on pence's safety that day? >> so, my understanding is that the committee is very focused on pence's safety. they've been thinking about this and looking at it from the beginning. everything from how he was evacuated, how close rioters came to him. there may be some evidence that they came much closer than anyone knew. and, anderson, i'm also told the committee has been discussing that picture of the gallows. we've seen these photos from january 6th, along with the chant of "hang mike pence." so, why are those gallows so important? those gallows didn't magically appear that day. someone went out ahead of time.
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they bought the wood. they bought the rope. they built the gallows. someone came up with that chant, hang mike pence. my sources say it may speak to premeditation, planning. this was clearly not spontaneous. sources familiar with the investigation want to know who came up with this, anderson. >> we know the former pence chief of staff marc short testimony is expected to be played tomorrow. i want to play you something he told wolf blitzer earlier tonight. >> do you blame those surrounding the president for giving them bad advice, or do you blame the president himself? >> i think ultimately the buck stops with the president. he has the responsibility to listen to advice or discard advice.
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but i also think there were people around the president who i think served him very poorly and gave very poor advice. >> how significant is it that he was willing to go that far? >> i think it is significant. look, both pence and those around him, like marc short, have made it pretty obvious he wants to run for president. and marc short is very close to them. they have been trying to straddle this issue, not alienate trump voters. so, the fact he would say the buck stops with trump is significant. that said, tomorrow is pence day. and i'm told that actually once again tomorrow we're going to see trump insiders, including administration officials, family members, all first-hand fact witnesses who will testify about what happened in the days leading up to and on january 6th between trump and pence. >> jamie gangel, appreciate it. thank you. >> sure. perspective from john yoo and also jeffrey toobin. how big a deal is this about ginni thomas corresponding with john eastman? >> let's remember who john eastman. he is the person that said really needs a criminal defense lawyer, which he got and he's now taking the fifth. he's also someone who the judge in the subpoena case said you -- there was illegal activity going on.
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the fact that ginni thomas was emailing with him doesn't mean at all that she was involved potentially in criminal activity. but it is yet another sign that she was intimately involved in the whole effort to overturn the election, which is her right under the first amendment. the issue is why was clarence thomas, her husband, sitting on cases that were relevant to january 6 and has continued to sit in these cases? that's what's really outrageous to me about the whole thing. >> do you think he should have recused himself? >> of course he should have recused himself. i mean, his wife is intimately involved in this issue. >> okay. >> i'm not saying it's unlawful what she did, but it is a clear conflict of interest. >> professor, how significant, in your mind, is this as it relates to the select committee's investigation?
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>> well, anderson, let me just say up front, i know ginni thomas. i know john eastman. for that matter, i know craig jacob and mike luttig. they're all friends of mine. i don't think ginni thomas was involved in any effort to overturn the election. i think she's exercising her first amendment rights. i think she's forwarding emails, which i think were unwise and say crazy things. we should also realize that john eastman clerked for justice thomas so, ginni thomas might well have asked him something. but i can't believe she was involved in an effort to actually overturn the election. the other thing i would think is i would bet when greg jason testifies tomorrow, when mike luttig testifies tomorrow, they're not going to think ginni thomas was intimately involved with an ever effort to overturn the election. i think she's one of those many americans who believed was president trump was saying.
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i think it was erroneous. i don't think the election was stolen and i don't think the united states was defrauded. i don't think there was a stolen election. but i think maybe ginni thomas was worried and concerned and expressing her views. but i don't think she actually did anything. >> but is it the fact that there is this relationship among the three of them, that john eastman was a law clerk, that he is a friend of ginni thomas and of clarence thomas? it's not that she has done anything or is suspected of doing anything unlawful. it's that clarence thomas continues to sit on these cases. >> professor, do you think he should recuse himself? >> that's a good -- yeah. that's a good question. first of all, you don't recuse ahead of time. you wait until the cases actually get to the supreme court. there was one case that came up --
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>> no, no. >> i'm telling you -- there was one case that came up and had to do with whether there was executive privilege, whether president trump could say, nobody has to cooperate with this committee. the emails your show has shown and everybody has seen between thomas and mark meadows, there's no claim they're secret. they're not covered by executive privilege, and in fact i think they were turned over before the supreme court heard the case. if there are future cases, i think if every one of these get to the supreme court -- i don't know if any of these will -- then i think justice thomas would have to decide at that point whether there was ground to recuse. i don't think there's anything based on what ginni thomas has said that causes justice thomas to have to never sit on the court in any cases involving january 6th. yeah, it's premature. >> jeff, you heard jamie's reporting about eastman pleading the fifth. what kind of criminal ability,
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if any, could eastman face here? why would he be pleading the fifth? >> well, several of the rioters, the january 6th rioters, have been prosecuted and pleaded guilty to the crime of obstruction of the work of congress. and that is potentially what he could be charged with. that's what the judge in the subpoena case suggested that he was involved with. i don't know if he did or not. there's a lot of evidence about him. the justice department should have access to all that evidence. but, i mean, there's a reason why eric hershmann, who is hardly a democrat. he's a very prominent republican lawyer, defended president trump in impeachment -- why he said to eastman, you need a criminal defense lawyer. that's because he needs a criminal defense lawyer. >> professor yu, there's this back and forth about whether the select committee could or should send criminal referrals to the justice department. do you think criminal referrals would impact what the department of justice could do? >> that's a great question, anderson. the referral itself is not important. you could refer someone to the
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justice department. i could refer -- jeff could. that's like a letter from your mother. it has no legal significance. in fact, the letter from my mother is more important than a referral from the justice department. the important thing is what information that's new comes out of the january 6 hearings that might affect the justice department's investigation? surely the justice department already has an investigation going on right now. we're just not allowed to know about it. it has to be secret. i'm willing to be persuaded that there's some kind of link. there might be some criminal action. it would depend if the committee shows facts or testimony i think linking president trump and john eastman to the people who attacked the capitol or on the second theory you mentioned, anderson, whether president trump and john eastman somehow corruptly tried to influence mp to reject the electoral votes -- which he did not do, of course. i have not seen that yet. all the things the committee have brought forth so far are
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things that people who watch this already know. it just becomes more vivid when you see people testifies on the air. i want to see something new that connects the two dots. >> why the committee has been effective so far is they relied on republican party witnesses, william barr, ivanka trump. a bunch of democrats saying, prosecute donald trump, i don't think that's going to matter at all. and i think might discredit the work of the committee. what would be valuable for the justice department is if they turn over the interviews. they did thousands of interviews. they have thousands of documents. give that all to the justice department and let them decide whether there's a criminal case. the committee itself saying it, i don't think that would matter in the slightest. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. coming up next, our reporter in russia asked the kremlin tough questions about russia's intentions the ukraine. and later, what to make of the decisions to endorse the pfizer and moderna vaccines for
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the biden administration today announced another billion dollars in military aid to ukraine. the package includes 18 howitzers, vehicles to tow them, and coastal defense systems. meantime the russian foreign ministry weighed in today. fred, you challenged the russian ministry of foreign affairs spokesman today. what happened? >> reporter: i certainly did, and one of the things that was talked about today -- i was at the st. petersburg economic forum, where the russians are saying they want to reorient away from the west. the russians essentially accusing the united states of fuelling the conflict in ukraine. so, i asked the spokeswoman for the foreign ministry about some of the things that vladimir
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putin has been saying, the fact he believes he is in the history of peter the great and is now essentially taking back land, he believes, russian land there in ukraine. and that led to a testy exchange. here's what happened. >> the president of the russian federation on thursday said, the special military operation by russia, the invasion of ukraine, do the things that peter the great did in the great northern war and said that russia was in his testimony taking back territory that was rightfully russia's and strengthening it. is that not an admission of severe breach of international law? >> translator: do you use that tone of voice when you question us? take a look at 2014. we had a referendum. >> the big question is take back and strengthen other countries' territories. is that not a violation of international law? >> translator: was there a legal
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basis to invade iraq? >> i'm not talking about iraq. you are invading a sovereign country. >> translator: you mentioned our invasion, an occupation of territories. what territories are you talking about? >> well, for instance the entire region around the azov sea, the invasion trying to go towards kyiv, large parts of the luhansk and donbas which were under the control of the ukrainian. then you have the region around kherson. >> translator: so are you talking about donetsk and luhansk. i don't have this information about kyiv. the territories are acknowledged as sovereign states. they are referendums, as i said, reflecting the will of the people. >> if the russian president says what's going on in ukraine is taking back land that is intrinsically russian land and strengthening that land, can you
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please explain to me what does that mean, where does it end, and is that not a violation of international law? >> translator: you say i don't answer your question. you just don't like the way i answer it. i am answering it. perhaps it clashes with your vision. america says they are exceptional, and we said, this concept is wrong. but i can tell you that the u.s. troops are now in syria. nobody asked them to come. >> so, as the spokeswoman for russia's foreign ministry. meanwhile, anderson, the former president of this country, dmitry medvedev, questioned whether ukraine would be on the world map two years from now. the russians certainly not backing down. and one of the things you keep hearing from the authorities in moscow, from the kremlin, is that russia will not stop with what it's doing in ukraine until it has achieved all the objectives and consequences for ukraine and its people. coming up right now is samantha power. she is familiar with the criminal line you saw in the last report.
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she is currently administrator for the administrator for the international agency. we heard a kremlin spokesperson justify the russian troop presence. you were ambassador to the u.n. you heard this argument made before. what's the response to that line of thinking from russian leadership? >> well, it's a farce what they're saying, and our eyes are testimonies of people on the ground, the vast numbers of people displaced, all are evidence of the falsehoods that russia seeks to propagate. i did live it back when russia was initially claiming it had no claims on crimea. then suddenly the little green men pop up, the russian soldiers. then people are inhibited from
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speaking their minds. they were locked up if they tried to contest the russian invasion. then fake referenda are staged, and those referenda, because nobody feels like they can avoid arrest if they vote in a different direction, they either stay home or vote in russia's favor under the barrel of the gun. and russia says, it's legitimate. it's self-determination. so, it's out of the playbook. and all of the, you know, statements by the ukrainian government, the legitimate sovereign government there at the united nations, they hold up the u.n. charter. they say, this is our country. we should know whether our borders are being violated, whether our sovereignty is being attacked. they expect all of that to get ignored. they expect the press, you all who are on the ground watching russian troops bombard civilians and hospitals and schools, to
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ignore all that. they really expect our eyes to deceive us and for us to believe this farcical claim. >> the national security council spokesman, john kirby, said that vladimir putin has weaponized food by blocking delivery of ukrainian agriculture around the world. how big is this problem and how bad could this crisis get? india is having climate related farming issues and may stop exporting grains this year so they can feed their own people. >> it's really bad, anderson. there's no way around it. it was bad before putin launched this gratuitous and brutal invasion. now that he is weaponizing food, that he is holding back what's going to amount to about 50 million tons of grains. really, 50 million tons, when there were people who were starving in subsaharan africa and beyond. it's going to get a lot worse. you now are seeing dire effects in countries like somalia, kenya, ethiopia. you have 7 million kids in somalia who are acutely malnourished at this point in time.
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you have unicef predicting what is going to be an explosion in child deaths at this rate. when you combine climate change, four consecutive seasons of drought. and then putin willfully, intentionally denying the ability of the ukrainians to get these grains out. it's a perfect storm of terribleness. >> and what can be done about it? i mean, obviously, you know, you're with the usaid. what can be done? >> well, the first thing is we can't just accept that russia's going to block the export of 50 million tons of grain. so, the pressure needs to come not only from the united states, which of course is already doing -- taking a range of steps to hold russia accountable for everything that it has done, but also from the african countries that themselves are most in peril by virtue, again, of the pre-existing climate shocks that were landing already and now just so compounded by the absence of these -- the ability to import these grains. second, humanitarian assistance is going to be pivotal just in
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keeping people alive, just in literally getting nutritional supplements to those kids, to those babies. we have seen those images before and we're going to see them n a bipartisan way and allocated $4.3 billion in supplemental funding to help the people of ukraine inside ukraine but also to help deal with these spillover effects from putin's war in terms of food insecurity. and all of that money is going to go to good use. but we need those countries who are making a profit off the increased fuel prices around the world, the increased fertilizer prices themselves to contribute, to be part of this donor
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in the last hour, we spoke to a father, one of the victims of the robb elementary school shooting in texas. he called the police cowards and said they did not follow protocol when responding to it. let's put a spotlight on the speed of local law enforcement. last night we reported on the swift response of a police situation. we warn you that part of what you are about to see is a reenactment. the people involved are participating in a realization. it's not real. it's disturbing nonetheless. >> thomas durant. a warning that what you're about to see might be very difficult to watch. officer durant is starting intensely realistic active
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shooter police shooting. >> we've got shots fired, move, move. >> reporter: with a high-tech simulator the department just bought. >> shots fired at the school, and that's all the information we have. you were there with your partners and you know our policy is we go in. we don't wait. >> how many are there? >> three. >> where are they? >> help me. >> reporter: even though they're actors watching the training scene unfold is traumatic. >> where did they go? >> don't shoot. >> where did they go? >> that way. >> where are they? where did they go? >> reporter: officer durant's partner is shot. the gunman is then shot by durant. >> i'm good, i'm good, i'm good. go, go, go.
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>> reporter: captain warren wilson is officer durant's trainer. >> we know that you average about one dead person every ten seconds of an active shooter situation. at least one victim every ten seconds. so, there's no time to wait. >> reporter: the simulation continues. there are two more shooters in the school library. >> outside? [ screaming ] >> suspect, drop it. drop it! >> reporter: after each scenario, the trainer gives his evaluation. >> very rare is it for new officers to get that hit right off the bat. good job after that. and then you immediately start escaping again every time. and here's another one that we don't rare off and get the first time. so, you got him with your scanning. is there any point that you felt like you couldn't cover everything? >> no. maybe because of my time in, the training and situations i've been in, i'm used to if there's one, there's more than one. you have that mindset. so, i'm used to even though you
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think you're done with a threat, you do a 360 awareness for yourself. so, you make sure you scan an additional -- always. >> always. >> police department. >> reporter: officer durant's training includes other virtual locations like a theater, where the strategy is the same as a school. no waiting. go in. >> where are they at? where are they at? >> reporter: eliminate the threat. after getting shot at, officer durant did just that. and then at a courthouse -- >> where are they at, your honor? where are they at? >> reporter: he once again eliminates the threat. captain wilson tells the officer his first active shooter drill with his new department is a success. >> he made good decisions. he kept scanning for threats. his marksmanship was on point.
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he did very well in the scenarios. i'm proud of him. >> reporter: officer durant is also told his elevated stress level and heart rate are to be expected with this life-like training. >> do you think you're a better police officer than when you walked in here? >> absolutely. >> because of this training? >> yes. >> reporter: anderson, the number of police departments that have these simulators are low, but the numbers are growing rapidly. one of the major players in the business said they sold about 600 units to police departments, also to colleges and high schools. consider this fact, 600 units in roughly 18,000 police departments in the united states. you know, that's a low percentage. one of the reasons for that, it's very expensive. it's not cheap. enid, oklahoma, got it, paid about a quarter million dollars for it. enid and other police departments swear by it. they say it's an incredibly valuable addition to their active shooter training. >> gary tuchman, appreciate it. covid vaccines for america's youngest kids are a step closer being approved. a lot of parents waiting for this moment. dr. leana wen is with us next. r. not all plastic is the same.
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no vaccine has been authorized for kids under 5 in america two years into the pandemic. it's the only age group left that are not eligible, to the
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frustration of many parents. that could change soon with an fda advisory panel green lighting the pfizer and moderna vaccine for the children as young as six months. the cdc still has to approve the shots before they're authorized. once that happens, they could be available as soon as next week. joining me now, dr. leana wen. she is the author of lifelines, the doctor's journey. assuming the cdc signs off on both vaccines, parents are going to wonder which one they should choose. how do you decide? >> first of all, anderson, i am so relieved and i'm sure so many parents are extremely relieved because we've been waiting so long for this incredible news. i think a lot of parents frankly are going to say, whatever vaccine i have the easiest access to, that's what i'm going to start giving my kids. there is a benefit to both the moderna and the pfizer vaccines. some, parents might say the moderna might say is only two doses so they can get it done
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faster. and if you can get your child the highest level of protection in the shortest period of time, i think some parents might choose that. other parents might say there's more experience with the pfizer vaccine for 5-year-olds and above, so they might go with that. there's no wrong choice here though because both vaccines are safe and effective. and i know that i'll be really eager once my office starts offering it, i'll be first in line. >> the moderna shot is two shots over the course of how long? >> the moderna vaccine is two shots spaced four weeks apart. the pfizer vaccine is three doses. the first two doses are given three weeks apart. the third dose is then take eight weeks after that. so, it's going to take a lot longer. >> doesn't the longer time frame have more efficacy? isn't that kind of better, or is that not the case? >> so, these studies -- yeah, so, the studies were not done head-to-head, so it's a difficult comparison to make.
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some of the preliminary results do look like the pfizer vaccine may be more effective. but it's hard to make that case. probably a booster dose is going to be needed or a third dose is going to be needed for a moderna vaccine as well. but two doses by themselves appear to be pretty effective. >> what do you think a parent should do if their children have recently had covid? should they wait a bit before getting them vaccinated? >> it's a really good question, anderson, that i hope the cdc will discuss in their deliberations this saturday. and that's because we know that you do have a grace period after infection. reinfection within two to three months is very unlikely. so, maybe you could wait a short period of time. but i also hope the cdc will stress that even if you had covid before, you should still
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get vaccinated. you should still get your child vaccinated. that hybrid immunity, the infection plus a vaccination, that provides the strongest level and the most durable level of protection. >> it's going to be interesting to see how many parents actually get their young children vaccinated. i mean, is it enough to actually change the trajectory of the virus or are the numbers really small? >> i think the numbers are going to be low from a population standpoint because when we look at 5 to 11 year olds, less than 30% are fully vaccinated. that's really low. and i think the uptake may be even lower for this younger age group. i don't think it's going to do much when it comes to stopping the virus from spreading on a population level. but i think still this is an important milestone psychologically because there are millions of parents out there, including my family, who have held off on so many of our own activities, who have not done normal social activities for our children and who are not doing gatherings or travel and other things because we're worried about our children. so, i think this marks an important milestone for parents
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and for families across the country. >> what do you say to parent who is say, well, look, it doesn't seem like it's that bad in kids and the chance of them ending up in the hospital and dying from it is low. why get a vaccine? >> what i would say is that more than 400 children in this age group, 0-5, have died from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. thousands of these young kids have been hospitalized, and it's extremely distressing, as all parents know, for our children to become ill. so, if there's the possibility of my doing something for my children that would reduce their risk that is safe and effective, of course i'm going to do that. so, i think this is a personal decision that parents will have to make with their pediatricians in consultation with other people they trust. but for me and my family, that decision is really clear. and i have a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old. i have already called my pediatrician's office.
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i can't wait for them to get their shots. >> dr. leana wen, appreciate it. thank you so much. still to come, over the weekend idaho police arrested dozens of men law enforcement say were associated with a white nationalist group and planning to riot during a pride rally. to riot during a pride rally. next. our installers complete your work in as little as a day so we fit your schedule. our manufacturing team custom crafts your bath so we fit your standards, and it's guaranteed for life. when you can trust the people who create your new bath, it just fits. bath fitter. visit to book your free consultation. ♪ making friends again, billy? i like to keep my enemies close. guys, excuse me. i didn't quite get that. i'm hard of hearing. ♪ oh hey, don't forget about the tense music too. would you say tense?
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i'd say suspenseful. aren't they the same thing? can we move on guys, please? alexa, turn on the subtitles. and dim the lights. ok, dimming the lights.
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a mother of one of the 31 men arrested with plans to riot during a pride rally, is speaking out about her son, his arrest and the associate with what she was a white nationalist group patriot front. they found med metal shields, long metal poles. found were protective gear and radios and detailed plans outlining the stand against, quote, moral depravity. sara was in idaho. what did jared boyce's mother
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tell you? >> reporter: she is at her wit's end. she's known for many years that her son has been part of this group, patriot front. and she's been trying to get him to leave the group. she says this is not how he was raised. but she doesn't know what to do. she had to give him an ultimatum. she thought that maybe, just maybe, after being arrested in idaho and being charged with conspiracy to riot, it would shake him up and see this is the wrong path. but this is what happened. who is your son? how old is your son? >> right now, it's 27. >> reporter: where is he living? >> he's living in my basement. when he came back from this weekend in idaho, i was hoping, after spending some time in jail, that maybe this would be a wake-up call for him, like to question what is this group that i've been involved with? where is this getting me? and i've been warning him for
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years now that it's not going to take you in a good place. it ultimately could get you in so much trouble you're in jail and not seeing your sons and not spending time with them and you're going to lose them. he always just brushed that aside and dismisses it. he's really dug into their philosophy and really believes it. tries to constantly get me to watch their documentaries and read their reports and show me how they're right. so, when he came home, i was really hoping he would -- might have had a wake-up call. when he came home on monday and i went to the house to talk to him and he believes in what they did, he was standing by it. he was like, we were there to prevent them from grooming children. we were doing what we thought was right. we had a great legal team.
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none of these charges are going to stick. we had anonymous strangers bailing us out because they support our cause. i thought he was more entrenched in it. so, that's when i said, you need to -- i can't -- we can't do this. you can't live at my house and be doing this kind of stuff and putting this kind of hate out into the world and putting yourself in danger. you need to move out of my house. >> reporter: you gave him an ultimatum. why? >> at that time, i just felt like, i didn't know what else to do. i tried everything else. and honestly, it's so aggravating and infuriating to be trying to have a civil discourse with someone about their beliefs. i get escalated, too. i can't believe that he believes all this ridiculous conspiracy
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crap and wants to blame people for all these things. and hates groups of people. that's not who i am. and it makes me sick to listen to it and sicker to know that this is coming from my son, who somewhere inside, has a loving, loving heart. >> reporter: at this point, her son is actually back at home, she says. but he is going to leave, he says, when he gets to paycheck. he didn't have the money to leave. he plans on leaving. that means he is choosing this extremist group over his family. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back.
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the news continues. let's turn things over to don and "don lemon tonight." don? >> we're hours away from the next public hearing of the january 6 committee investigation on the attack on the capitol. the testimony tomorrow will be former president. former president trump's campaign on vice president