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hello and welcome to our viewer here is in the united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate the company. coming up here on "cnn newsroom," donald trump lashes out at lawmakers investigating the attack on the u.s. capitol, calling it disgraceful. and now we're learning what the congressional panel will focus on next. plus vladimir putin blaming the u.s. and other western countries for the world's economic woe, calling sanctions crazy and reckless.
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and with tourism roaring back to life across europe, italy seeing a two-wheeled invasion that many want curbed. what rome plans to do about the influx of e scooters. well, donald trump lashing out at the january 6th committee hearings, accusing them of doctoring video testimonies that cast him in a very negative light. yet both taped and live witnesses over three hearings have consistently shown trump illegally tried to overturn the 2020 election, culminating of course in the capitol riot. the next hearing on tuesday is expected to include two prominent georgia election officials who were pressured by trump to, quote, find nonexistent votes after he lost. and there are growing questions over the potential role of ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas.
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the select committee has requested an interview with her which she has indicated she is willing to do. for the latest on trump's continued defiance and what lies ahead, here is cnn's jessica schneider. >> never called mike pence a wimp. i never called him a wimp. mike pence had a chance to be great. he had a chance to be, frankly, historic. but just like bill barr and the rest of these weak people, mike -- and i say it sadly because i like him. but mike did not have the courage to act. >> reporter: former president trump using his platform at a conservative political conference to deny the evidence against him and blast the january 6th committee. >> they con people. they're con artists. >> reporter: trump's attacks come as the committee is gearing up for several more hearing. cnn has learned georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger will be at
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tuesday's meeting. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> reporter: they'll testify about trump's efforts to pressure them to change the election results. the committee also wants to talk to ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas about her communications with trump attorney john eastman. eastman devised the scheme to pressure then vice president mike pence to block the certification of biden's 2020 electoral win. >> the teller is verified. appears to be regular in form and authentic. >> reporter: something pence ultimately refused to do. >> we have sent ms. thomas a letter asking us to come and talk to the committee. >> we look forward to her coming. >> reporter: ginni thomas issued a short response to the committee via the conservative publication "daily caller," saying she can't wait to clear up misconceptions. "i look forward to talking to
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them." eastman denied. eastman writing we have never engaged in such discussions, would not engage in such discussions and did not do so in december 2020 or any time else. why the committee has requested cooperation for outstanding witnesses, it has so far refused to share full transcripts with the justice department. but the committee said it will not be an obstacle to justice department executions. >> we are not going to stop what we're doing to share the information that we've gotten so far with the department of justice. we have to do our work. >> reporter: cnn has learned the panel is running into problems securing witnesses for an upcoming hear about trump's efforts to pressure the justice department to support and promote his false election fraud claims. while jeffrey rosen and richard donoghue, the top two officials at doj in the final weeks of the trump administration are expected to appear, the committee is so far striking out
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with pat cipollone. cipollone is the former white house lawyer credited with talking some sense into trump by threatening to resign. sources say cipollone is not expected to join the hearing in person, despite already talking to the committee privately. and "the new york times" is also reporting that the committee could start sharing transcripts of those witness interviews with the justice department as soon as next month. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >> joining me now from los angeles is cnn legal analyst loni coombs. good to see you, and thanks for making the time. when the type of evidence we've heard from the committee emerge, particularly when it comes to the former president's behavior, what pressure does that put on the department of justice to act? >> you know, michael, great to be with you. i think this has really upped the pressure on the department of justice. with every hearing, the evidence has gotten stronger and stronger. and i think people are looking
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at this and not asking the question is there evidence to link donald trump to this? they're now saying why would you not file charge, and how many charges are you going to file? this committee laid out in the very beginning they were going to put on evidence that this was a sophisticated seven-point plan that he had to try and overturn this election and maintain power. and that's exactly what the evidence is showing. i think it's been a very compelling way to present it with the multimedia, with the videos and the witness statements and the live witness, and also the committee members coming on here and there explaining exactly what's going on and step by step through the timeline. i think everyone watches it can say look, this is very clear that donald trump did commit these charges. >> you know, obviously, there are potential political and even social instability issues if trump's inner circle are indicted. but what are the risks of not indicting if there is overwhelming evidence of law
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breaking? does that not just enable the next president who wants to subvert the law to stay in power? >> michael, that's a really good point. what happened on january 6th and everything leading up to it is unprecedented, right. so however we respond to it is going to set a precedent. if we file charges, that's going to set a precedent. if we don't file charges, it's going to set the precedent that look, any president who comes into power may be able to do whatever they want to get there and to stay there if they're challenged in the next election, because, look, donald trump did all of these things once he knew he didn't actually win this election to maintain the big lie that there was election fraud and there were things that just pressuring the local and state officials and putting out the big lie and allegations of fraud and conspiracy, and then inciting violence, look at all the things he got away with. nothing happened to him. why would the next president who wants to stay in power and the election shows that he didn't get enough vote, why would they not do that if they see there is
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really no ramifications to those actions? >> to that point, we've heard all sorts of descriptions, words like shocking, illegal, jaw-dropping around things that have come out of these hearings in terms of the president and his inner circle. so does it matter if no one of note is prosecuted at the end of the day? >> i think it does. you know, it's interesting. these hearings are sort of a double edged sword. we are getting to see really the truth here. we're seeing things that we didn't know about before. the curtain has been pulled back. and we're seeing what happened on january 6th, just how serious it was. more horrific than we realized before. and what was going on behind closed doors up to it. now we have that information, right? we can't pretend ignorance anymore that we really don't know what happened. if we don't do anything now with that information, what are we saying about the line we're willing to cross as far as our morals or our rule of line? are we pushing that line further and further throughout until
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there is no line anymore? >> yeah, yeah, exactly. i wanted to ask you this too, because it's fascinating, this aspect of all of this. cnn had a piece about how supreme court justices were divided over 2020 election issues. ultimately they declined to accept any of donald trump's claims. as she write, one justice stood out for emphasizing ballot fraud in sympathy with those who refused to accept the results, and that was justice clarence thomas. and now the committee wants to talk to his wife, ginni. what do you make of what we've heard about her involvement in the big lie and how it impacts or does not impact her husband's position going forward in cases related to that? >> right. so ginni thomas' name kind of bubbled up when "the washington post" revealed there were these 29 texts from her to mark meadows who was at the time the white house chief of staff where she was saying very clearly that she thought the election should be overturned and she wanted trump to stay in power.
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obviously she has a right like everyone else to have freedom of speech and say what she wants to say and have her political views. and she has always been very open that she is a conservative activist. however, it did raise eyebrows about how strong the language. and we also have her husband who is this supreme court justice at the same time ruling on two cases that dealt with election results of 2020. one was a case where the january 6th committee wanted to have access to donald trump's white house records, and everyone on the supreme court said yes, you can, except for one dissenter, who is clarence thomas. the other case was whether the supreme court was going get involved in all of the lower courts who are battling out this allegations of election fraud. and everyone on the supreme court said no, we're not going get involved except for two dissenters who are alito and thomas. so here you have ginni thomas writing these text messages to mark meadows at the same time that her husband is ruling on cases that involve the content
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of what those texts are and ruling in a way not along with the majority, but in a way that would support ginni thomas. now we hear she was also emailing john eastman. now we don't know what the context of those emails are, but the committee is rightfully saying hey, at this point, we want to ask you about those emails. and she is saying i want to come in. i'll talk to you. i want to clear up anything is going on. but you have to follow the evidence where it goes. is it just going to be ginni thomas espottying her political views or did she go across the line into conspiracy, and is there any influence going on between her and her husband who is sitting on the supreme court. those are all things. nothing right now, but they need to look into. >> absolutely. and john eastman, the lawyer who then said i'll have a pardon if that's still on the table, and put it in writing, which i thought was interesting for a lawyer to do. oh my word. you'd think that's something you pick up the phone for.
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loni coombs, really appreciate it. we're right out of time, but thank you so much. >> great to be with you. ukraine has just cleared the first hurdle on a path to join the european union. ukraine beyond and eu flags flew side by side after the yoon commission recommended ukraine be given candidate status. the move does not guarantee membership which could be years away in any event. but president zelenskyy says it still brings ukraine a step closer to winning the war. the ukrainian leader says ukraine deserves to be in. >> we all know that ukrainians are ready to die for the european perspective. we want them to live with us the european dream. >> british prime minister boris johnson made a surprise visit to kyiv on friday, his second since
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the war began. he offered ukraine a major military training pr ing progra he said would fundamentally change the equation of the war. in eastern ukraine, negotiations are under way to try to evacuate hundreds of civilians stranded at a chemical plant in severodonetsk. that's from a ukrainian regional official who says the talks include a possible ceasefire. the russian attacks are also taking a devastating toll on another city just across the river from there. ben wedeman reports. >> a portent of things to come on the road. a city that has been in the line of fire pour months. a school payment serves as shelter for residents. tatiana shows us where they sleep. the only light provided by our camera. everyone is outside now, she says, because it's too dark and hard to breathe down here.
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outside they wait as soup cooks over a fire. there's no gas, no power, no water, lydia tells me. we have nothing. most are old, tired, terrified and beyond despair. "i'm alone" said 82 years mash shachlt my legs are tired. i can't go anywhere. this woman is leaving. we thought it would calm down, but it only gets worse and worse, she says. i can't take these sounds anymore. natalia is leaving too. "the windows in my house are broken," she says. "there is a huge crater by my house. it's the end of the world." the sunny weather belies what has become a postapocalyptic existence. residents line up with
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unfiltered water so they can wash and flush toilets. almost four months of war no end in sight, frustration flares. where's our mayor, where's our governor, ask mykola. they should have come here at least once. just across the river, savage street fighting rages in severodonetsk. lysychansk isn't near the front. it is the front. at 3:00 in the afternoon, russian aircraft hit this building. this building was serving as a shelter for people. three were killed, and it really goes to show there is nowhere in lysychansk that's safe. ludmila was in that building, her husband injured in the strike.
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"yesterday he was crushed under the rubble," she says. she can do nothing but weep. she waits for a ride to see him in a hospital. ben wedeman, cnn, lysychansk. russian president vladimir putin railed against the west in what was build as major speech, vowing to press on with his invasion of ukraine and insisting russia will flourish despite harsh economic sanctions. he also claims it is not russia but u.s. who is to blame for skyrocketing prices of goods around the world. >> translator: russia's actions in donbas have nothing to do with it. are a result of systematic mistakes from the current administration and the european bureaucracy. that's where the causes are, only that. i will mention our operation did play a role, but the root causes are in their erroneous economic policy. >> the u.s. state department says it has seen new videos that appear to show two u.s. military
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volunteers missing in ukraine. they showed up on pro-russian social media and news sites. barbara starr with details from the pentagon. >> it was in kharkiv where two americans went missing last week. working with the ukrainian authorities to find them. >> have i been briefed. we don't know where they are. but i want to reiterate. americans should not be going to ukraine now. >> reporter: now this photo from a russian blogger has emerged of alexander drueke and andy tai huynh. video later emerging of an interview they did with pro-russian media. cnn is not showing the video as the two appear to be speaking under duress. now the state department is
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working to verify their status. >> they said that the photograph that is circulated on the russian media, and they're working hard to verify it. we're very hopeful. >> reporter: retired staff sergeant drueke, an army reservist from 2002 to 2014 served in beth kuwait and iraq. drueke's mother bunny tells cnn her son wanted to lend his skills to train those who were coming to ukraine to fight. >> he felt if putin wasn't stopped now, he would just become bolder with every success, and that eventually he might end up on american shores. >> reporter: former marine cor corporal huynh served in the marine corps last serving in camp pendleton, california. huynh's fiancee joy black described the last time she heard from him. >> he told me that he loved me
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very much and help would be unavailable for two to three days. he really had this gnawing at his heart and this big burden on him to go and serve the people how he can. i know it's not a great situation, but i'm still very proud of him. i just want to see him back safely. >> reporter: one of their comrades in ukraine, whose identity we are keeping hidden exclusively telling cnn sam kiley, drueke and heinze were captured. >> we suspect they were knocked out by the tank shooting at them or the blast of the mine. >> reporter: a kremlin spokesperson told cnn we do not know anything about it when asked about the missing americans. the u.s. also confirming a third american went missing in ukraine in april. cnn has learned he is retired captain grady kurpasi, a 20-year veteran of the marine corps. a friend who served with kurpasi
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for years says he has cell phone video that shows he could be being held in kherson, but acknowledges that they do not have proof that he is alive. >> i think it was the calling to help and just be humanitarian. there was no real plan to his mission. he wanted to go out there and try and help. >> reporter: all three of the missing americans having served in the military puts them in unique danger if captured by russians. >> you routinely are swimming and are immersed in these kind of sensitive programs. i'm not certain the level of that exposure, but i guarantee the russians are going to try to extract that information. >> reporter: barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. fears of a recession are ramping up in the united states as americans struggle with soaring inflation, but president biden says the country can overcome this crisis. we'll have details from washington when we come back.
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wages in the u.s. are climbing at their fastest rate since the mid 1980s, but because inflation has also risen quickly, american workers have actually taken a pay cut. it comes as the u.s. president admits that inflation is taking
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a toll on families all across the country, but he is confident about america's economy. cnn's kaitlan collins with more from washington. >> reporter: higher prices are plaguing president biden as he promises the nation he's working on bringing them down. >> i'm using every lever available to me to bring down prices for the american people. >> reporter: the white house only growing more concerned after mortgage rates surged over half a percentage point this week amid rising inflation and a big interest rate hike from the federal reserve. biden defending his record and highlighting how the u.s. is not the only nation battling inflation. >> with russia's war driving up inflation worldwide, threatening vulnerable countries with severe food shortages, we have to work together to mitigate the immediate fallout of this c crisis. >> reporter: but it may get worse before it gets better. former treasury secretary larry summers who was criticized by the biden administration for saying inflation would rise is now predicting a recession in
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the next two years. >> we are likely to have a recession. i think we have overheated the economy and gotten some bad luck. >> reporter: biden disagrees saying it a recession not inevitable and telling the u.s. the u.s. is stronger than any nation to overcome this inflation. still, the white house is scrambling for solutions. >> we understand the anxiety. the president understands the anxiety is focused on what he can do to lower cost for families, to address the price of gasoline, although that is set on the world market. >> reporter: biden's economic team debated sending rebate cards to millions to help pay at gas stations, but one official told cnn today that option is unlikely due to the complicated logistics. >> all options are on the table because he understands the pain that this is causing for families. >> reporter: as the president's poll numbers on the economy have continued to slide, biden
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telling the associated press that people are, quote, really, really down following two years of covid, a volatile economy, and soaring gas prices. biden saying, quote, they're really down. their need for mental health in america has skyrocketed because people have seen everything upset. also in this interview, president biden argued that the idea that the american rescue plan, which he got passed through congress, caused inflation and led to higher prices he said is bizarre. of course you've seen that argument being made by republicans that it at least contributed to it. we should note this with is a rare interview for biden to do which does go to speak to the concerns the white house has about the messaging when it comes to the economy. kaitlan collins, cnn, the white house. still to come on the program, a third person has died in that church shooting in alabama. what we're learning about the 70-year-old suspect after the break.
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a third person has died following that shooting at a church near birmingham, alabama on friday. the victims all senior citizens were attending a small group dinner. police say a 70-year-old man is in custody. cnn's nadia ramirez with the
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latest. >> we're getting a report of a possible active shooter. >> reporter: three people are dead after a shooting thursday night in a church in vestavia hills, alabama, a suburb of birmingham. >> at least three patients. >> reporter: police say st. stephens episcopal church was hosting a potluck dinner when the suspect, 70-year-old robert smith, who was attending the event, opened fire. >> at some point he produced a handgun and began shooting, striking three victims. >> best estimate we have at this time for patients is in the parrish hall. the shooter has been held down. the citizen is not secure. >> reporter: investigator says after opening fire, the suspect was held down by another person at the event. >> we multiple people down. >> reporter: police identifying the victims as 84-year-old walter rainey, who died on the scene and 75-year-old sarah yeager, who died at the hospital. the third victim, 84 jane pounds
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died at the hospital friday. the ordeal leaving the community in disbelief. >> you see it in places you've never been to, people you don't know. and now you're thinking that could have been one of my friends down there. >> reporter: former u.s. senator doug jones has lived in the neighborhood for nearly three decades. >> i think it just goes to show that no community is immune from this kind of gun violence that we see playing out across the country. no one is immune. >> reporter: so far investigators have not released a motive but say the suspect who is in custody acted alone. police praising the bravery of the person who held down the suspect until they arrived. >> the person that subdued the suspect, in my opinion is a hero. >> reporter: earlier today, parishioners packed a prayer vigil at st. luke's episcopal church about six miles away. >> i think the church has a lot to mourn. >> reporter: when this place of worship turned into a crime scene, the church leaders here tell me they immediately received calls and emails of support from people from around the world. hundreds of people came out to the prayer vigil to mourn the
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lives lost. and the bishop says two of the people who were killed, charles rainey and sarah yeager were very active in their church communities, and that their fellow parishioners and families are in mourning. nadia romero, cnn, vestavia hills, alabama. the chief republican senator trying to forge a consensus on gun control in congress was jeered on friday in his home state of texas. [ booing ] senator john cornyn left washington on thursday without a deal on bipartisan legislation that could pass congress. cornyn claimed that negotiators will get a bill to the senate floor next week, despite telling the crowd he said no to a long list of democratic demands on gun safety, they reacted this way.
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>> we fought and the wish list is off the table. so you might ask, what is on the table? more mental health resources. more support for our schools, and making sure that violent criminals and the mentally ill cannot buy a firearm. >> meanwhile, president biden is praising his home state of delaware for adopting a state ban on assault-style weapons, and called on congress to, quote, do the right thing. on friday, the uk approved the extradition of wikileaks founder julian assange to the united states. assange has been in a british prison for the last three years. he is wanted in the u.s. on 18 criminal charges related to the release of thousands of classified files and diplomatic cables. if convicted, he faces up to 175 years in prison. assange's wife and one of his
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attorneys vowed to pursue every option to stop the extradition. >> we have 14 days to file a ground for appeal. with potential longer -- an extension of time. after that point, but we will appeal this all the way, through the british courts and if necessary to the european court of human rights. world wrestling entertainment boss vince mcmahon on the ropes after reports of hush money payments to cover up an alleged affair. he has stepped down from his leadership roles at the wwe while the company looks misconduct claims against him. jason carroll reports. >> please welcome the chairman of wwe, vince mcmahon! >> reporter: larger than life, vince mcmahon, more famous than some of the wrestling stars he helped create. >> he's the guy. i mean, it's the wwe is vince
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mcmahon. you can't celebrate them. >> wrestlemania! >> reporter: now mcmahon forced to step back from his role as chairman and ceo of world wrestling entertainment, wwe, while the company's board investigates misconduct claims against him. his daughter his interim replacement. "the wall street journal" reporting mcmahon paid a former employee, who he allegedly had an affair with, $3 million to keep her quiet. according to the journal, the separation agreement prevents her from discussing her relationship. the investigation also looking at other nondisclosure agreements involving misconduct claims against mcmahon and another executive. >> what would have been considered boys will be boys, which wrestling was built on for decades and decades and decades, by today standards, it's not quite as much. >> i pledge my complete cooperation to the investigation by the special committee, mcmahon said in a statement, and
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i have also pledged to accept the findings and outcome of the investigation whatever they are. wrestling journalist dave meltzer says it is tough to predict the fallout from the allegations. >> their big defense is any money he paid, any hush money that he paid was his own money and it was not company money. and i think that's the key to the investigation. >> reporter: over decades, mcmahon turned the wwe into a billion dollar entertainment juggernaut, including deals with fox and nbc. he will still be in charge of creative content while the investigation is under way. mcmahon has weathered past scandals. in 1994, a jury acquitted him of conspiring to distribute steroids to his wrestlers. in the years following, always center stage and always the showman. in 2007, then reality tv star donald trump shaved mcmahon's head in a made for the masses
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feud. now the wrestling world waiting to see how this latest real world match will end. countries around the world experiencing a dangerous heatwave right now. we'll go to the cnn weather center after the break for the latest details. ♪ ♪ ♪
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part of western europe are coping with a dangerous heatwave. in france, two locations reached all-time temperature records on friday. several other places set monthly records. heat is forecast to peak across much of the country in the coming days, including paris, which could see the hottest june day yet. historic flooding is devastating parts of montana and forcing yellowstone national park to close. the u.s. geological survey calling it a one in 500-year
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event, which means there is at least a 1 in 500 chance of a flood happening in any given year. this past week heavy rains and rapid snow melt caused rivers to sweep away bridges and entire sections of roadway. more than 10,000 visitors were evacuated from the park. earlier i spoke with conservation scientist richard steiner who said it's another sign of the climate crisis we're still failing to address. >> it sort of seems like summer 2022, we're all collectively walking through the gates of hell together. this may be the summer that causes our politicians to wake up and fix this to the extent possible. the entire northern hemisphere has set temperature records on land. there is record-breaking drought, wildfires, floods in southeast asia. and this is not just north america. it's europe and asia, southeast asia, indian pakistan as well.
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so we know that this is going on. if you connect the dots between these crises, it's pretty apocalyptic. but also in the ocean, which has absorbed about 90% of the excess heat that we've generated in the atmosphere, every year for the last six years has been the absolute record global ocean temperature. and it keeps going up, breaking records every year. so that's where most of the heat is stored. and it keeps reradiating into the atmosphere, causing these typhoons and super storms, droughts in one place and floods in another. >> cnn meteorologist derek van dam joins me now. what are you seeing out there, derek? it's certainly hot where i live. >> it's hot. but it's important to say that there are parts of our country right now that are actually cool. that's the difference between talking about climate and the weather. i often talk about climate being more like your personality and weather being more like your mood at any given moment.
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your personality would be your long-standing who makes you or what makes you who you are. so when we're talking about what's happening now, the northeast is cooler than average. but much of the central u.s. spreading to the east will actually become warmer over the coming days. we have over 25 million americans under this heat watch and heat advisories. and it's all about the heat dome. we've talked about this for the past several days. it was and still is situated across the southeast. we're going start seeing it migrate a little farther to the west as we see a buck until that jet stream that helps drive the weather patterns across north america. and then by the second half of next week, it shifts once again back to the east coast. and we'll see that cool weather start to exit the region and we'll start to see those temperatures really heat up. we'll see that in the extended forecast. look at the temperatures for chicago. 71 today. and you get to monday and tuesday, and you're flirting with the upper 90s to near 100 degrees. many other location,
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indianapolis, st. louis, cleveland going to see the mercury in the thermometer climb, just like the windy city. look at this, just 1 degree shy of 100 degrees for tuesday afternoon's forecast high in chicago. and then atlanta, here it is. the heat and humidity, well, it's always here in the summer time. but it's really going to get hot as that bubble, the heat dome starts to traverse the region. and we do believe all the latest guidance shows that we'll break that triple-digit heat for the first time this summer. and you factor in the of course humidity, that's when things really start to feel uncomfortable. really stunning to see what's happening on both sides of the globe, including france and here in the united states. michael? >> you just ruined my week. thanks, derek. i'd like to talk to you more about this personality weather climate. >> what makes you, you, right? we'll do that because it's going to be really hot i'm told next week. all right.
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an invasive species. there are more than 14,000 registered e scooters for rent in the italian capital, but very few are actually used. >> the number of the scooter that are used in this moment is at 2% of the number. >> reporter: and this is a problem. the head to have italian union for the blind and visually impaired tells us it is a particular challenge for disabled people. >> translator: there are many problems with the scooters. the first is the parking. they should be installed, not all over the sidewalks because people who cannot see and all the other people with a stroller, an elderly person have, to walk in the street. >> reporter: but the eternal city's cobblestone streets aren't necessarily safe either. >> if you ride around town, especially on historic centers, it's almost impossible in a car, this is it. for that two, three-mile radius you move fast around.
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>> reporter: the scooters are used mostly by tourists, who don't always seem to follow the rules. the scooters are supposed to have only one person on them at a time. they are not allowed on the sidewalks. and share riders are supposed to be at least 18 years old. in june, an american couple was fined over $800 for throwing a rented escooter down the spanish steps, causing $26,000 worth of damage to the marble steps. and now the city of rome has a plan. starting in january 2023, the city council says it will reduce the number of scooters from about 14,000 to 9,000. and the number of companies renting them from seven to three. the scooters were also supposed to ease rome's stifling traffic, but they're actually making it worse. >> you see two people in the scooter there you see. it is very dangerous. >> reporter: rome, as the saying
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goes, wasn't built in a day, and its scooter problems won't be solved in one either. cnn, rome. >> thanks for spending part of your day with me. i'm michael holmes. kim brunhuber takes it over from here as "cnn newsroom" continues in a moment. t-mobile covers mory miles withth 5g than verizon. t-mobile has more 5g5g bars in more places than anyone. another reason t-mobile is the leader in 5g.
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life from cnn world headquarters in atlanta, welcome to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada, and all around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. ahead this hour, hundreds of ukrainian civilians stuck in a key city in eastern ukraine. i'll speak with an american who lived there for years about what makes severodonetsk so crucial. plus -- >> the greatest danger to america is the destruction of our nation from the people from within


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