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you are live in the cnn "newsroom." i'm jim acosta in washington. just days after a conservative judge labeled him a clear and present danger to democracy, former president donald trump got up on stage and proved yet again he'd rather spread lies than admit the truth about what happened on january 6th. >> these are government tapes where they're stuffing ballot boxes to put it crudely. they're stuffing ballot boxes on government tapes. and what did they say? that was debunked. that was debunked. okay. most people say, oh, it was i didn't know that. no, these are tapes. one, two, guys looking up at the camera, let's see, where's the camera. there it is. >> trump's own justice department, republican officials in numerous states did not find
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a single shred of evidence to corroborate any of the nonsense you just heard there. yesterday trump also sided with the capitol rioters again just like he did during the attack. >> if it were an insurrection that took place at the capitol, you would have known it very soon. these were strong people. they were great patriot, they were policemen, firemen, soldiers, they were sailors, most people should not be treated the way they're treated. if i become president some day, if i decide to do it, i will be looking at them very, very seriously for pardons they've been treated unfairly. next the committee will focus on the pressure company on states to overturn biden's election win a plan summed up in no uncertain words during a call
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with georgia's top election officials. of course, you remember this one. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> the man on the other end of that call will testify next week, georgia republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger and just in to cnn, a source telling cnn that arizona's house speaker will testify. this is a republican who supported donald trump's 2020 run but refused to go along with the scheme to reverse biden's win in arizona. joining me now is a member of the january 6th committee. democratic congresswoman zoe lof ag gren. great to have you on. thank you so much. i'm guessing we'll hear more
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than just the audio of trump saying find me 11870 votes. what are you hoping to hear from him? >> we want to hear about the entire pressure campaign. it was georgia, but it went -- was in other states as well. and we will get information about this broad effort to illegally seize the election, even though he -- seize the presidency even though he lost the election. as you can tell from the first hearings, there are different w ways he tried to do that, by pressuring the vice president and failing and now we'll hear about his pressures on the states to replace the electors chosen by the voters with trump non-elected e heclectors. >> i noticed throughout the hearings we would have a discussion about the pressure campaign on pence, for example,
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as you mentioned. we'll hear about the pressure campaign on brad raffensperger, some of which we knew about, was in the public record, a sound bite here and that sort of thing. but along the way we've learned new things, details we haven't heard before. new photos or clips of audiowe have not hear before. might that also be the case with the day in which we'll hear brad raffensperger testify? should we be looking for that? >> i think it will. i mean, obviously some of the information has been in public, some we've discovered through our investigations. so stay tuned for the hearing next tuesday. >> all right. that's what we call a tease, obviously. it sounds as though we will be getting some new information. can you confirm what a source is telling cnn that in addition to the georgia election officials, arizona's house speaker rusty bowers will also testify about the pressure he faced from trump --
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>> that's my understanding. that's my understanding. >> what do you hope to hear from him? >> well, the truth. you know, these individuals are republicans, they voted for trump. they are, you know, supported him, but they wouldn't do illegal things that he asked them to do. so we expect to hear, in some detail, about the pressure that was placed on them and why they were true to the law instead of the pressure. >> and speaking of officials that we would like to hear from at these hearings, how are talks going to have the former white house council pat cipollone appear at an upcoming hearing and how would his testimony figure in from all of this. we know from some of the testimony, that the legal
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council was telling mark meadows and overturning election results is just not legal. it's not going to work. how is that going to get cipollone in there to testify? >> i can't discuss the negotiations with potential witnesses, obviously we would like to hear from mr. cipollone. but we've also, from other witnesses, found out what he said. so when we can't get a director comey testimony we get testimony from others who were present and are able to give us the information about what was said, by whom, to whom, and we're piecing the picture together. obviously it would be easier if everyone we asked to speak to us did so readily, and most people have, but the holdouts are not going to defeat our intention to get the whole truth and reveal that to the american public. should i take that to mean that mr. cipollone is resisting
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coming in? >> i really -- i can't discuss the connection and the state of the communication at this point. obviously you're aware that we would like to hear from him. >> i know the committee also wants to talk to ginny thomas, wife of supreme court justice thomas about emails she sent to eastman. she said she's looking forward to clearing up this miscon misconception. does that mean she's coming in and would you issue a subpoena to the wife of the supreme court justice if it came down to it? >> we sent her a private letter and she made the decision to make it public, which is her right to do. i was glad to hear that she was eager to come in and talk to us. so i expect that to happen.
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and i look forward to it. and i think that will be a useful thing. it sounds like there could be no need for any kind of coercion. she's eager to come in and talk to us. so we'll look forward to that. >> so if i may explore that a little bit, are you saying there have been communications from ginny thomas to the committee saying she'll come in and testify publicly at a public hearing in front of the cameras? >> no. i'm relying on the public statement that she was eager to come in and talk to us. i'm sure she wouldn't say that publically if she didn't mean it. >> one thing we saw during the last hearing was that eastman asked rudy giuliani to put him on the list for a pardon not that that's necessarily going to get him a pardon and he pleaded the fifth 100 times. >> i assert my fifth amendment right against being a witness
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against being a witness against myself. fifth fifth fifth. >> what does that tell you about eastman's views of his activity around january 6th and the notion that he was looking for a pardon? >> i don't know usually you take the fifth amendment and seek a presidential pardon if you don't think you have some criminal liability. so that is a reasonable assumption. you know, in a criminal trial you're not permitted to make assumptions based on your fifth amendment assertion, but in civil matters you can and people frequently do make judgments based on that civilry outside of the criminal proceedings. so i think it's logical to assume that he's got a problem. i'll say also, judge carter, in the evidence case, said it was more likely than not that both
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eastman and former president trump had committed fraud and crimes. so there you have it. >> i've run out of time but i have to ask you quickly before i let you go. donald trump was at an event, i'm sure you saw some of this video yesterday, and he's still spreading the laws, talking about pardoning some of the insurrectionists and rioters from january 6th. your reaction to that? >> i think it's not a good thing. some of these rioters, you saw the damage that was done and the assaults made against our police officers, some of them have not yet fully recovered that he would think about pardoning the people who assaulted our police is disgraceful. and it's also disgraceful that he continues to pedal these lies. whether it's part of the grift that he continues to try and raise money off these lies, i don't know. but it's really far short of
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what you would expect from someone who had once held the presidency. >> indeed, congresswoman zoe lofgren, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you, any time. >> thank you. we know the mob also got within 40 feet of then vice president mike pence, seen her sheltering in an underground safe room while the attack unfolded. the january 6th committee revealing the detail courtesy of a government informant. >> make mo mistake about the fact that the vice president's life was in danger. a recent court filing explains that a confidential informant from the fproud boys told the fi that the proud boys would have killed mike pence if they had a chance. >> my next guest filmed the proud boys and oath keepers on
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january 5th. he had been filming them and he testified about the moments that led up to the violence on capitol hill. and he joins me now. nick, thank you very much for being with us. and thanks for all the work you did around january 6th. just really important stuff. what was your reaction to this revelation from the fbi informant that was disclosed, that the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given the chance? >> i think it's not just the proud boys. i think the whole crowd would have -- could have potentially, you know, murdered the vice president. the crowd was so agitated. and there were many inflection points that it could have happened. and i believe that the crowd was close to nancy pelosi, too. within a few minutes of when they climbed the stairs to her office they were within a few minutes of her being in her office. >> you also testified on january
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6th the proud boys started moving toward the capitol even before trump had started speaking. i think that's fascinating they were already moving in that direction as if that was the plan all along. i guess they weren't there to hear trump speak, i suppose. can you tell us what were they talking about during that walk up to the capitol? >> so we left -- we arrived at the capitol around 10:30, over at the washington monument and we immediately started walking towards the capitol. and it was mostly -- it wasn't like a discourse, it was mostly chanting about 1776 or where's antifa, or whose streets or whose capitol. we were walking briskly towards the capitol. >> that may answer my next question, something i've been wondering, if you picked up on any communications between the proud boys or other people you
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were documenting on that day and folks in trump world? was there any discussion going on between those two camps? >> well, i don't know. we did film them using their walk ie-talkies but we don't knw what they were using the walkie-talkies for. >> did you ever hear anyone that day talk about taking the capitol and trying to hold onto it somehow in an attempt to freeze the certification of joe biden's victory? did you pick up on any kind of a plan as to what they wanted to do? >> no, but there's a live streamer for the proud boys, eddie fisher, he caught a proud boy called milk shake saying they're off to storm the capitol, which he was admonished
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to by nordean. that implies some intent. i didn't know they were going to occupy the capitol. jim, you tweeted that. >> i did. i heard from a source that day that there was some discussion about that. and so that was one of the reasons i wanted to ask you, was to see whether or not you had heard anything about that? >> we'd seen a flyer floating around that said occupy and it had like a big like death skull, trump thing, with 1776 in the middle. but i did -- you know, but there's a lot of hyperbole, rhetoric going around at that time. put maximum pressure on congress. sort of a lot of different catchphrases. it was hard to see which one was the -- gonna play out. >> and even though, nick, you shot some of these very crucial moments connected to the attack, you've still -- i guess you said
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how much you still learn from watching these hearings. what is it that stands out to you? >> i mean, the access and the -- you know, the broad scope of the investigation has been fascinating. and, you know, they've got -- you know, there are many lines of investigation whether it be political or popular or extremism. you know, i'm -- the resource that they had showing some deep-seated revelations, which i'm excited to see more truth coming out. until we can agree what actually happened, how do you get to a solution? >> that's exactly right. nick, thank you very much for being with us. good to talk to you, sir. hope to talk to you soon. really appreciate it. the white house said president biden is doing fine after falling off his bike in delaware earlier today.
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>> the secret service helped the 79-year-old president back onto his feet. biden said he had his foot caught in the pedal of the bike and that's what caused him to tumble over. a girl in the crowd asked what it was like to run the country, here's what he said -- >> it's like any other job. some parts are easy, some parts are hard. >> and the white house said president biden did not require medical attention after the a fall. good to see that he's doing okay. breaking news more than two years after the pandemic began, a major moment for parents waiting to vaccinate kids under five. what we're hearing from the cdc. plus join some of the biggest stars as they lift their voices for juneteenth, live
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breaking news, the director of the cdc has just signed off on the recommendation for children as young as 6 months old to receive either the pfizer or moderna covid vaccine. it's the news that many parents of young children have been waiting so many months for. miguel marquez joins me from new york. miguel, thank you so much for jumping on this. this was the final step in the authorization process. when do we think we'll see some shots going into arms here. >> maybe as soon as monday in some places, in new york city planning for it as soon as wednesday. it is still unclear how many parents will really want to get their children vaccinated. one thing that came out during the long discussion today among the advisory panel is that the likelihood of parents getting their children vaccinated has gone down as the pandemic has worn on.
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that said, this was the last big tranche of americans, the youngest, most vulnerable americans of almost 20 million of them, under 5s, that now are able to get vaccinated. a couple of other things they discussed during their many hours of presentation and then lots of questions is that they decided that vaccines are more effective at preventing severe illness. certainly more effective than previous infection, which some parents saying my child got infected with covid-19, they're probably fine now. they're saying, actually not. better to get them vaccinated. and there are side effects like for you, me, whenever you get vaccinated with the covid-19 vaccine there are side effects but they're manageable. and figure out a lot of time how to distribute and administer all the vaccines out there. moderna and pfizer, slightly
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different regiments for both. moderna has a two shots over several weeks, pfizer is three shots over several weeks. but now that it's signed off completely we can see them, they're already starting to ship to some states we can see shots going to arms as soon as monday. back to you. >> miguel marquez, we'll be looking for that. thank you very much. coming up president biden's candid response to the mood of the nation amid record high gas prices and soaring inflation, can anything be done? we'll talk to robert wright with us again to answer these important questitions next. ♪ ♪ cocontrol for parents. one bank witith tools for both. chase. make more of what's yours. [zoom call] ...pivot... work bye. vacation hi! book with priceline. 'cause when you save more, you can “no way!” more. no wayyyy. no w! [phone ringing] hm. no way!
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sky high inflation and soaring energy prices, how long will it all last? next week the biden administration has invited oil company ceos to discuss the painfully high gas prices averaging nearly $5 a gallon nationwide. and the oil companies, we should note, they're pulling in big money. shell more than $9 billion, a record quarterly profit, more than 6 billion for chevron and bp and 5.5 million for exxon mobile. joining us to talk about this is robert wright. author of the system "who rigged it, how we fix it" great questions. thank you for being with us. you were last on the show last week saying that the president needs to be taking on these record profits from these oil companies. we showed some of them right there, eye popping figures, when the biden administration meets with these companies next week,
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what should the president say? >> hi, jim. i think he needs to say that you, oil companies, are making record profits, there's no reason for you to be charging as much as you are charging at the pump and if you don't stop we're going to go after you, in terms of anti-trust, we'll go after you with a windfall profit tax, in the court of public opinion i'll talk about how much you are raking off from consumers. this is indefensible. >> and, you know, we talked about this a little bit and it sounds like there's some new reporting on this front, whether or not the president can get congress on board with perhaps taxing these big oil companies and sending out some kind of rebate check or rebate card to americans who are hurting. what do you make of, i guess, some of the discussion taking place on that front? it does sound like those ideas are starting to percolate here in the nation's capitol.
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>> i think they are, jim. not only among democrats but also i hear among republicans. you know, the conservative party in britain, britain's conservatives, did impose a couple of weeks ago a windfall profit tax on oil companies. no reason we should not do the same thing. using the revenue to help consumers bear the higher costs. and also discouraging oil companies who are already making more money than they've made ever, many of them record profits from raising their prices further. the other thing i want to emphasize is these oil companies are not using the profits to invest in green energy or more oil drilling. no. they're using their profits to buy back their shares of stock. to increase the value of their shares of stock. this is purely financial, it is purely greed. it is capitalism, yes, but capitalism also requires that the government take some action sometimes when the public
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interest requires it. >> we should point out last time we talked about this, i was thinking we should show this to our viewers. when trump was president he made a big deal he was sending out the stimulus checks to folks at home with his name printed on them, there you see one there. even though biden's economic team debated sending these rebate cards to millions of americans, they find that unlikely because there's complicated logistics in getting rebate cards out there. why not checks? what do you make of some of the consternation in the administration that we can't make the logistics work, that kind of thing? >> i understand it. been there, done that. but i think the administration needs to respond to the real needs that americans have and show americans that it is taking action. there are a lot of ways of dealing with this. in other words, the revenue from
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a windfall profit tax could be used by the treasury and rebated to the states so the states and the treasury could take off the federal and state gas tax. there are a lot of ways you can use the revenue. the point is that the oil companies right now are simply -- they are price gouging. >> and, you know, one thing we should mention is that some republican lawmakers claimed that last year's covid-19 aid plan was to blame for the inflation that we're all dealing with right now. what do you make of that? >> well, i don't think there's anything to that whatsoever. the inflation we're dealing with right now is basically this huge pent up demand coming from hopefully the end of the pandemic coupled with supply shocks as all suppliers worldwide are trying to catch up with demand and on top of that putin's war in ukraine, which is pushing up energy and food
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prices. but beyond all of that we have the reality that american corporations have been sitting on profits there at a 70-year high, jim. 70-year high. these big corporations that are not facing much competition. they're using inflation as a cover for raising their prices further. and that is a factor that is -- well, is simply indefensible. >> and you know, we should note while the oil companies are doing well, people are worried about the financial markets right now, which have been almost in a nose dive for several days now. what are the warning signs that you're seeing, could this be taking the country towards a recession? so many americans out there who have invested in the final markets have their 401(k)s invested and are looking at them day after day and are starting to freak out a little bit. >> i understand. i think the financial markets
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are responding really to the fed raising interest rates in an attempt to fight inflation. but as the fed raises interest rates very quickly at a rate that we haven't seen since the early 1980s because this inflation is anal gos to the early 1980s, what happened in the early 1980s, is the fed plunged us into a huge recession. it is very difficult to arrange what's called a soft landing. and the fed, as it raises interest rates could easily plunge the economy into a recession. >> and the markets are reacting accordingly it looks like. >> absolutely. >> secret reich, great to have you on. let's have you on as much as we can, great to have you break it down for us thank you so much. >> thank you, jim. we are following breaking news right now. police are responding to a call for shots fired at tyson corner center in virginia. we're told a fight broke out
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in tyson's virginia, that's tyson corner mall right outside of washington d.c., outside of the beltway. fairfax county police tweeting in the last several minutes a fight broke out between a small group, one man described as a black male in a black hoodie with black jeeans and white shoes. officers are now clearing the mall. marshall cohen is following all of this for us. we're looking at video right now of what looks like shoppers at the mall taking what appears to be sort of an evacuation stairwell or stairwell that shoppers wouldn't typically use at the mall to get out of that area. what duts? >> reporter: jim, we have a nation on edge. none of this is happening in a vacuum. people follow the news, they know what's going on. they have seen the last several
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weeks and the footage here, this is what happens. police were called to thetyson's corner mall, about half an hour of washington d.c., a popular upscale mall. they were called to reports of shots fired. according to a tweet by police they say there was a fight that broke out among a small group of people, no reports of injuries at this time according to police. but you can see what happens, the footage is scary. i'm sure everyone has thought what they would do if they heard something like that going on. and these people had to live through it today in tyson's corner. no reports of injuries. we'll continue staying on top of this, jim and let you know if we hear anything else. >> thank you were marshall. it's important to note, underline it, the initial reports that come in sometimes have to be clarified by local authorities and sometimes the information we bring you now
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about one of these situations it may be different as the hours go on throughout the afternoon. but i want to bring in cnn national security analyst julia keim to talk about this. we're showing this video now of what is, you know, essentially the scene attysons virginia, at ty sons corner mall. these shoppers worried and freaking out over the possibility that there might be a mass shooter on the loose inside this popular mall in washington. this shows you what's happening across the country right now. people are completely terrified of the possibility that something like this can happen in our community. >> you think there's not ten people dead, this is good news. there's a potential shooting incident at a major mall on a saturday on a long weekend. that can hardly be called good news because there's people
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evacuating that. this is not happening in a vacuum. we have the consistent mass shootings one a day, sometimes more than one a day in the united states as well as a gun legislation fight that's ongoing. i do want to say there's a big debate in first responders world about whether active shooting protocols, a testing we have our students do, about whether they're worth it because they can be traumatic. i look at pictures like that. who needs training and exercises when we're having incidents like this happen, in which these kids, a lot of them look like teenagers are learning how to protect themselves. the rule is run, then hide, then fight. that i tell my kids. there's only one of you, run. and that's what these kids are clearly doing. >> run like hell. >> run like hell. the simplest parenting advice one ever needs to give.
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you run because hiding sometimes gets you trapped. so that's exactly what we're seeing here. and this is, you know, we are so acclimated to this in the united states we don't see how unique and exceptional in a bad way it is in other countries. our kids at malls on a saturday, and this is what happens. if our standard is, as it often is, i'll admit it is with mine. when i'm getting the calls from you all, from cnn, how many are dead, are we really going to go on air with this, our standards now for what is sort of acceptable gun incidents, is so low now because this is good news. this is good news. and we have to check ourselves. i have to check myself. and we all have to check ourselves. this is not normal. no, it's not. how depressing is it this is
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what our teenagers have to deal with now. if you're the parent of a teenager at home, i'm one myself. teenagers around the world don't do this on a regular basis. basically only american teenagers do this. >> that's right, jim. i have teenagers, too. i have teenage boys who, you know, i love them to death but sometimes their judgment isn't the best. i do have to talk to them seriously. and these are not -- my -- you know, these are kids that tend not to get into trouble but if there's an incident like this that, you know, the most heroic move they can make is run. your judgment has to be to run. and that's very hard. and when you think of other issues like racial issues and others that many teenagers face, african american boys and whatever else, it is not -- it is -- with police. it is not a -- it's a tense time and if anything, if there's any
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benefit to being on right now, besides the fact we had a shooting incident with no deaths, is to remind people that it's the shooting incident that is the bad news, right. and the fact that there were no deaths is a pretty low floor and we should remind ourselves of that in a culture that is seeing these mass shootings once a day. >> it's a reminder that the specter of mass gun violence hangs over every community in the united states of america, it's the way of life in this country right now. it's become an accepted way of life for many americans and this is also occurring as gun legislation is once again predictably stalling in the senate. juliette, thank you very much we appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up how a skit for the late show with stephen colbert ended with staffers getting arrested on capitol hill. (dad brown) i thought new phones were for new customers? we got iphone 13s, too. switched to verizon t two minutes ago.
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you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim acosta in washington, and this just in. a moment many parents have been waiting for since the pandemic began. the cdc director has just signed off on giving the covid vaccine to children under the age of 5. per the recommendations from the cdc, kids age 6 months to 5 years old are eligible for two doses of moderna, and children ages 6 months to 4 are eligible for three doses of the pfizer vaccine. shots could start going into those little arms as soon as monday, and as we get more information on this, we'll bring it to you, but that very important information from the cdc just coming in to cnn. now to the january 6th investigation and former president donald trump lashing out at the committee after explosive hearings this week showed that trump and his team knew that thei


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