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would impact abortion access, gun laws in this country, the epa's ability to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. we'll bring you any developments from the supreme court as soon as they happen. also today, the january 6th committee will hold its fourth public hearing, expected to focus on former president trump's role in the scheme to submit fake slates of electors. and trump's campaign of pressure on state level officials to overturn the election results. among the key witnesses this afternoon, key state officials from arizona, and georgia. there is another major story we're following this morning, we're learning that uvalde, texas, school district police chief pete arredondo will testify today, this before the texas house committee investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting last month at robb elementary school. this comes as we're learning new likely disturbing details this morning on law enforcement's
response, while the gunman was inside that classroom. we now know, some of the pictures there, 11 officers responded to the school within three minutes and those images show officers not only heavily armed in the hallway, but also with protective gear. they still waited 58 minutes to enter that classroom, take down the shooter. cnn's rosa flores has the latest on the investigation. >> i find it shameful we had almost 100 officers on the scene and i had to leave work and save my own. >> outrage palpable in uvalde, texas, as first image from inside robb elementary during the shooting is released. this surveillance picture shows officers standing in the school's hallway with rifles and a ballistic shield with a time stamp of 19 minutes after officials say the gunman entered the school. >> it shows in the minds of at least some investigators reviewing what happened that day is that authorities had adequate
firepower and adequate protective equipment, 58 minutes past from the time we see these officers in that video, in that screen grab, to when they ultimately breached that classroom. >> reporter: just 12 minute before. at 11:40, uvalde school district police chief pete arredondo called the uvalde police department from inside the school asking for help. according to a transcript arredondo says it is an emergency right now, we have him in the room, he's got an ar-15, he's shot a lot, they need to be outside the building prepared because we don't have firepower right now. it is all pistols. after reviewing body camera footage, the statesman writes arredondo was trying to find keys to open the classroom's doors, even though officials say they do not believe officers had tried to open either door. the texas tribune reports officers held their positions outside the adjoining classrooms as the gunman fired at least
three more times. the tribune released a surveillance picture it says is from 12:04 p.m., that shows multiple officers with at least two ballistic shields, police would not enter the classroom for another 46 minutes. in transcripts reviewed by the tribune, officers were growing impatient. one agent asks are there still kids in the classroom? to which another agent answers, it is unknown at this time. the act replies, you all don't know if there's kids in there. if there's kids in there, we need to go in there. the other agent responds, whoever is in charge will determine that. >> all of those officers are trained in an active shooter situation. and from the very beginning, even the ones that didn't have the ballistic shields, they should have just gone in. that's what their protocol suggests, children were left in a room, scared to death, calling 911, and yet no one went in. >> reporter: the community directing its anger at chief
pete arredondo at a uvalde school board meeting monday night. >> kids, parents, teachers, city, by keeping him on your staff, you're continuing to fail us. >> how is mr. arredondo still with the program? it is an insult to injury. >> reporter: there are two state hearings going on right now. one on the house side, the state house, and that is where pete arredondo is expected to testify. that testimony will be behind closed doors. we won't know what he tells committee members until a report is issued. that report is expected in mid-july. the other hearing is going on in the texas state senate. that hearing just started. it started with the moment of silence, and we have colleagues in there, and they have been telling us that a timeline has
been posted. we already knew from sources that texas dps director steven mccraw was scheduled to testify and that he was going to be bringing in diagrams and going through the timeline. we have a picture of that timeline, jim and poppy. we'll be going through it to get specific details. >> can only imagine the parents' reaction seeing all this play out. rose a flores, thanks so much. speak now to cnn security correspondent and former fbi special agent josh campbell. josh, it strikes me that the revelations today really greater detail about what we already knew, but that the police were armed, heavily armed, they had protective gear, those -- those ballistic shields and had them there early, right? within minutes of the start of this, and yet waited nearly an hour before going in. you were in the fbi, i just wonder how would the fbi handle a law enforcement response like this, given those three factors,
they had weapons, protective gear, and time. >> problem mere is there isn't one problem. we have seen this seemingly avalanche of failure here, everything from tactics to leadership or lack thereof and this issue of transparency. to your point about tactics, i think everyone now listening to my voice knows in this era of mass shootings, officers are trained to go to the sound of gunfire. and that is a very difficult decision for an officer to make to put their own life on the line. that is the profession that they are in. no situation is the same, we know that oftentimes if an officer has chased someone into the building and don't suspect there might be innocent people in danger, they might move it a barricade situation where they call the s.w.a.t. team, some of the heavier weaponry, some of the heavier ballistic shields, waiting a suspect out, this was not that. we know this was a school that was in session, children there that were present, we know officers were sounding the alarm that there were shots fired. it was a few minutes that transpired between when the suspect showed up and the
shooting started and so we know that even if the chief was not in communication, the officers there knew that they were dealing with an emerging situation. that's the key question. we're continuing to see some of this information come out from reporting that, yes, the officers may not have been outgunned, that one image from the austin american statesman shows high powered assault style weapons those officers have behind the two ballistic shields. just an avalanche of failure here. it seems. i'll also point out that this is revictimizing this community, this kind of slow drip of information, this lack of trrns pa transparency. i was talking with a friend of mine who pointed out a good point, he said, look, in small town, texas, we were raised to respect law enforcement. the local police chief, the local state trooper assigned to a region, they were held on a pedestal. you can imagine putting yourself in the shoes of the people of uvalde, being revictimized by the lack of transparency in every new revelation that comes is that much more difficult to
take. >> and can you imagine being a parent? that is why they are so up in arms demanding answers, demanding clarity. you saw it at the school board meeting last night. is there any reason, any investigative reason, josh, why more of this has not been laid out clearly and comprehensively, at least to the parents? >> right. we have seen in different incidents, i know when i was in the fbi, you would have the fbi team would brief victims and their family members on certain aspects of an investigation, describing exactly what transpired, for example, i was there in san bernardino after that mass shooting where the fbi brought in the family members and said we want to walk you through what happened, take you to the crime scene and show you exactly what happened. that wasn't for public consumption, but because obviously these are people with a vested interest in knowing what happened. the problem here is we're not seeing any of that. for the victims and their family, but also the community who wants to have confidence in these law enforcement officers, so a lot of questions, as rosa
was mentioning there are two hearings going on where hopefully we'll get more ansers from the state senate side where the head of dps is supposed to be testifying. we understand it is likely he's going to do somewhat of a show and tell about the type of door that these officers were coming up against. i was in law enforcement, not like the movies where the officer shows up, they pull up their side arm, they blow a dead bolt and it flies open. these are reinforced. if you're a police department with a school district in your jurisdiction, you might want to know how that building is secured, and if the threat is from within, you might want to know how to get in that building. those are all the questions we're hearing from the people in uvalde, they want the police to give them answers and so far there have been very few answers. >> yeah, and the answers we have, frankly, disturbing. especially those images we see today. josh campbell, thank you so much. the january of 6th committee's fourth public hearing is less than three hours away. it is expected to dive into former president trump and allies' pressure on state level officials to overturn the 2020
election results. >> one of the key witnesses expected today, georgia election worker who was falsely accused by trump himself of ballot fraud, she will testify about how she and her family were then targeted with death threats after the former president singled her out publicly. cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill. it's really a parade of state officials here that are going to speak to the pressure at the state level to try to overturn these results. >> reporter: yeah, the pressure at the state level and the real life consequences that came as a result of donald trump and rudy giuliani and other trump allies trying to overturn joe biden's state certified victory. and wandrea moss will testify today about what she says are lies that were amplified by donald trump, by rudy giuliani, that led to death threats, that led to threats against her family, against her mother, against her son, including at one point she says people came to her grandmother's house and
tried to make a citizen's arrest against her grandmother against overall these baseless conspiracy theories pushed by donald trump himself. now, according to the testimony that we have obtained that she will deliver later today, written testimony, she said i have to live with the lies every single day, before december 2020, i was never scared of people knowing my name, but after i stopped giving out my business card to voters, now i worry when i'm at the grocery store, i worry when i go shopping with my mom, she calls my name across an aisle. i worry when i pick up the phone, and a voice i don't recognize says my name. she will be the second part of a panel of witnesses that will testify about those pressure efforts, those efforts by donald trump and how they resisted donald trump's efforts. the first panel is republican officials, including that arizona state house speaker rusty bowers who resisted the push by trump and others to overturn the -- biden's victory in arizona and then in georgia, gabe sterling, top election
official along with brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state who trump directed to, quote, find the votes to overturn biden's victory. so another example here of donald trump making the push, getting resistance from officials, and then the consequences they all had to endure. >> huge day ahead with these witnesses. manu raju on the hill, thanks very much. one witness set to testify today is rusty bowers, the republican arizona house speaker expected to testify about the pressure that he received from trump and his attorney, rudy giuliani. joining me now, someone with deep knowledge of the gop-led efforts in arizona, fueled by the former president's election lie, that's arizona secretary of state katie hobs. good to have you on. there have been multiple chapters so far in the january 6 th committee hearings, can you describe to folks at home what is the significance of what the public will hear today?
>> well, i think, first of all, what is important about the january 6th hearings is they're shedding so much light on what we already knew that this has been a concerted effort to attack our democracy. and it is clearly ongoing. and i think what you'll hear from speaker bowers is the pressure that republican officials across the country were under from trump and his allies to break the law and overturn election results. and, you know, rusty is someone who didn't cave to that pressure. and for that, he's a hero, which is sort of a sad state of democracy today that just by simply doing their job, the elected officials are held up this way. >> as you know, there is a deliberate effort to change that, change those circumstances for the next time around. and you have said that
republicans will not accept defeat, they're trying to lay the ground work to steal the election in 2024. explain to folks at home how exactly you believe you're seeing that play out in your state. >> yeah, i mean, that is -- we're seeing it firsthand here, carrie lake, the front-runner for the republican nomination for governor, has continuously said she would -- we should decertify the 2020 election, refuse to say whether or not she will certify 2024 if she's the governor. and the fact is that trump is trying to install these types of allies across the country, so that if they don't like the results of future elections, they can overturn them, overturn the will of the voters. and they're not only threatening our freedom to vote, but they're threatening all kinds of freedoms, and that's what's on the ballot this november. and it is why i'm running for governor. >> i wonder how you feel about the national party's efforts here, democratic party, they control congress, they control the white house, have they done enough to pass legislation, to prevent this kind of thing from happening? >> well, i wish that we could
see a comprehensive legislation passed at the federal level. obviously the filibuster is in the way there. and that's, again, why what we do at the state level is so critical to protect voting rights. it is unfortunate that americans across the country have different access to the ballot, based on who holds the majority in their state's legislature. it should not be that way. we need comprehensive reform at the federal level. but the january 6th hearings are a good start in terms of holding people accountable, i think until that happens, this type of violence, this attack on america that we saw on january 6th is going to be the new normal. >> there was legislation considered but not passed in arizona that would have given the state legislature more power to determine the results of elections really themselves. that didn't happen. but you do have as you mentioned election deniers running for state wide office who would have power to influence the outcome
of elections. tell us exactly how and are you given some confidence by the fact that some of the more broad-based legislation and changes did not make it through. >> yeah, i'm optimistic about the future of democracy in arizona because a lot of those bills were too extreme even for the extreme legislature here. but we -- we have checks and balances in place. and that's why one person acting alone can't do something to disrupt or overturn the election. but the threat here is that you have trump allies running in multiple seats in state wide offices, so here in arizona, carrie lake, who i mentioned, mark finchem running for secretary of state, if enough of these people are elected and act in concert, then those checks and balances are eroded. >> katie hobbs, thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. please do stay with cnn
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this just in to cnn, a new decision just handed down moments ago from the supreme court, ruling that certain gun crimes are not, quote, crimes of violence. >> this is not the bigger gun case that we were looking for from new york state, but it does have impact. let's bring in cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider now. what do we know about this ruling? >> reporter: this could have an impact, jim and poppy. this could actually lessen the sentences for certain convicted criminals. so this is the case where the supreme court where we're in the midst of opinions being handed down right now. what was just handed down was the case concerning the hobbs act. this is a federal statute dealing with inner state robbery. the supreme court saying here that hobbs act in and of itself, attempted robbery or actually completed robbery isn't necessarily a crime of violence.
and why does that matter? because if it was considered a crime of violence, anyone convicted for hobbs act robbery would automatically get a sentence addition. this particular defendant, he was convicted of attempted hobbs act robbery, and because he had a gun, it was considered a crime of violence, which increased his sentence by ten years. so now the supreme court is saying that it is not automatically a crime of violence, that it won't automatically trigger this additional sentence. now this particular defendant can go back and try to get his sentence reduced. and other defendants, other criminal -- people who been convicted for this particular hobbs act crime can go back and challenge their sentence, possibly reducing it by five years, maybe up to ten years as this particular defendant. so this is notable, this was a 7-2 decision, written by justice gorsuch, justices thomas and alito descented here. b but a win for those who may be
challenging their sentences in this particular case, guys. >> interesting decision. i know you're awaiting many more. we may get back to you soon. thank you for that reporting. today, 17 more children in the united states are finally eligible to be vaccinated against covid-19. the cdc signed off on vaccinations for children between 6 months old and 5 years old, marking another major milestone in this nation's fight against covid. president biden and the first lady are expected to visit a vaccine clinic for children under 5 later today. i'm happy to bring in dr. rochelle walensky. you made our household happy this morning. my son is very happy he can catch up with his sister and get a shot. explain why to parents the cdc is recommending vaccines for small children. >> yeah, thank you, poppy. delighted to have this weekend's action which brought two different vaccines, both the pfizer and moderna vaccine, demonstrating data both safety
and efficacy to our youngest. those between the ages of 6 months and 5 years old. both demonstrating safety and efficacy. >> okay. so, we know that less than 30%, though, of children ages 5 to 11 who are already eligible to get fully vaccinated actually are fully vaccinated. many parents are hesitant. the numbers clearly show that. what do you say to them? >> yeah, you know, we had two independent panels at the fda as well as at the cdc demonstrate and go through the data very carefully, very publicly. what we would -- what we know is confidence is going to grow over time. we saw that with adult vaccination, when first rolled out, about 35% of people were interested, but we now have nearly 90% of people who had one dose. so we have work to do with our trusted messengers, pediatricians, healthcare providers, pharmacists, across this country and that hard work starts right now. >> what do you say to parents who are scratching their head this morning thinking, well, my
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deaths per day in my mind is still far too high. but it is certainly much less than we have seen previously. and i think that's for several reasons. one is we do have a lot of people who have been vaccinated. many people who also have been boosted. but also because we know that with this omicron variant, and specifically the subvariants we have circulating right now, they tend to cause less severe disease. so the combination of more protection that is out there, either because people have been previously infected or because they had vaccination or both as well as covid being -- omicron being a less severe subvariant likely contributes to the reason we don't have more deaths right now. again, in my mind, 250 is still too high. >> i think the real key here to getting one of the keys to getting young children vaccinated is trust, right? i hear it from friends of mine, from all walks of life. and a key issue in trust is
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this just in to cnn, the supreme court has just issued an opinion in a case called carson versus macon. it is a challenge to a program in maine that pays for some students to attend private schools. >> that's right. the supreme court saying tuesday maine cannot exclude religious schools from a tuition assistance program that allows parents to use the vouchers to send them to public or private schools. jessica schneider, you've been following this case closely. tell us what it means. >> reporter: this is a case that came up because about half of maine's school districts are actually too small to sustain a public high school. so what the state of maine does is it provides tuition assistance in the form of vouchers for students in those districts to attend other private schools, and the question was could maine exclude certain religious schools. and the court here saying in a 6-3 written by chief justice john roberts that maine cannot
exclude religious schools from the tuition reimbursement program, saying that it violates the free exercise clause. that clause, of course, restricts the state from discriminating on the basis of religion. there were several parents in maine who brought this challenge, saying that they wanted to send their student it a religious school, but that this tuition assistance program wasn't available to them, they argued that it violated the constitution and today a 6-3 conservative majority agreeing with those parents, so now maine will have to restructure its program to provide this tuition assistance for all students in the state of maine. there are several other states in the country that have a similar program, so arguably they'll also be affected by this supreme court ruling. but, jim and poppy, this goes along the trend of what we have been seeing from this conservative majority, to bolster religious rights and decide cases on the side of religious liberties. we saw it last term, where they ruled on the staid of a catholic foster agency that refused to
work with same sex parents. we saw it in 2017 when the court there said that states could not exclude church playgrounds from any state funding that they gave to resurface all playgrounds. so this is just the latest trend, and this say big win for the parents in maine who said their students -- their children should also be receiving this tuition reimbursement that went to students at all schools, they said it should go to students as well at religious schools. this was something that we saw at oral arguments, the conservative justice brett kavanaugh said all they want is equal treatment to attend the same schools that other students do, so this case now decided in favor of those parents, who argued their students should be entitled to this tuition reimbursement as well. >> let's bring in cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin and jennifer rogers. jessica laid that out so well, jeffrey. this has been coming. this has been building. it was the chief justice roberts
who in 2017 wrote that opinion in trinity lutheran and said you can't exclude religious schools from a grant to resurface playgrounds but he left for another day and that day is today this bigger decision. what does it mean for the country? >> this is part of a major trend and the larger subject is can the government fund religious schools? can taxpayer dollars go to schools that are openly religious? under the free exercise clause, we have parochial schools in this country. we have children -- parents can educate their children with -- under any sort of religious -- any religion they like. however, there is also the establishment clause of the first amendment, which said the congress cannot establish a religion and historically the court has said if there is
government money going to religious institutions, including schools, that is a violation of the establishment clause. that idea is breaking down under the conservative majority. there are more and more opportunities, whether it is funding textbooks, whether it is funding playgrounds, now scholarships, where it is permissible for the government to give money to religious institutions. it is a conflict between the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. and under this conservative majority, the free exercise clause is winning case after case. >> mm-hmm. >> jennifer rogers, this has, obviously, legal constitutional implications here under this umbrella of religious freedom and this court, a lot of cases come its way under the umbrella, also practical implications it gets to funding of public schools. finite amount of money if something is going to religious
schools, what askdoes that meanr religious schools? for those who said i thought there was a separation between church and state here, in the most -- i know that's a simplification, but in the most general terms what does this mean for how this court sees that division? >> jeffrey is exactly right. old saw of separation between church and state, which is based on the establishment clause, is breaking down. we're really seeing it is not going to be there, morthe more more this court erodes the establishment clause above the notion of the establishment clause. we have that here. the other thing that is interesting in this case, as in so many cases before the court these days, is the clash between free speech, free religion, free exercise of religion, and these other first amendment rights. and, again, this court is elevating the religious aspects of the first amendment above others, like plain old free speech. so it is all breaking down.
we see where they're going. this is not a surprise. this result was not a surprise. the split was not a surprise. and we'll just have to see how much more eroded it gets in the years to come. >> can i just -- just to talk a little bit about where this is heading, because, again, this is no secret, it is basically the conservative movement in this country is moving towards -- or is advocating a complete voucher system for public education in this country, which is every student in america would get a certain amount of money, and you could use that money to go to a public school, or you could use that money to go to a parochial school. and there would be essentially 100% funding of parochial schools. that would be many public school advocates say a death sentence to public schools in this country because they would lose -- they would lose a lot of the financial support they have
now. but that's the bigger issue on the horizon, and that's closer as a result of the decision today. >> big point. a big point. a major, potential major policy change there. yeah. >> absolutely. despite who these schools as elena kagan brought up in oral argument do not admit that they would be funding schools like these, that admit they do not admit homosexual people, transgender people or nonchristians. thank you for your analysis very much. jessica schneider outside the court, great as always. we'll be right back. lion kids develop their passion for learning. and now we're providing 88 billion dollars to supportrt underserved communities... ...helping us all move forward financially. pnc bank: : see how we can make a difference for you.
right now the texas state senate is listening to testimony from the uvalde school shooting, moments ago colonel steve mccraw, the director of the texas department of public safety, gave a compelling statement. listen to what he had to say. >> senators, steve mccraw, director of texas department of public safety. as senator gutierrez noted, it has been 28 days since the senseless massacre at robb elementary school. much has been done, but much more needs to be done before this investigation is completed. and presented to the district attorney. christina mitchell, for her review. we do know this, there is compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at robb elementary was an abject failure and antithetical
to everything we learned over the last two decades since the columbine massacre. three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract and neutralize the subject. the only thing stopping the hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children. the officers had weapons, the children had none. the officers had body armor, the children had none. the officers had training, the subject had none. one error, 14 minutes and 8 seconds, that's how long the children waited and the teachers waited in rooms 111 to be
rescued. and while they waited, the an scene commander waited for a radio and rifles, and he waited for shields. and he waited for s.w.a.t. lastly he waited for a key that was never needed. the post columbine doctrine is clear and compelling, and unambiguous, stop the killing, stop the dying. you can't do the former unless you -- you can't do the latter unless you do the former. certainly some things were done well. and even very well. the teachers quickly implemented safety calls, one teacher called 911 and reported that before the subject entered the campus. the district attorney and her staff led tireless efforts to take care of the victims and
their families in the aftermath and senator gutierrez talked about victim identification, victim notification, and that is always a priority after such a tragedy, very difficult to do and she did an outstanding job in trying to handle that situation. providing all the different resources from local, state and federal agencies at the time. importantly, at the time of this death, first of all, i'll go -- before i go to the timeline, i want to cover one more thing, if you don't mind, is that with your permission, to quickly review some of the preattack events is what i would like to do. i think it is important to note, this is not just a dps investigation, and texas ranger investigation, we worked closely from the beginning with all federal agencies and all agencies on the scene in particular and investigative side, the fbi provided tremendous resources, hundreds
of agents to cover leads throughout the country, throughout the world and also enhance the videos with technology capabilities that they have back in quantico, very important to do, to get to the facts, to see exactly what happened, because one thing is witness statements. another thing is video and audio recordings. we're grateful for them. we're also grateful for atf in terms of the initial phases as it relates to firearms and weapons involved and ammunition. and their efforts continue. we'll continue to use the fbi in regard to more interviews, we have interviews to do. we're not done at this point in time and we won't be done until the district attorney is satisfied the investigation is completed, more satisfied that what we have is correct. i can tell you a quick overview of the subject, at the time of his death, he was 18 years old, lived with his grandparents, on diaz street, .29 miles from -- >> listening to testimony just moments ago by the director of
the texas department of public safety colonel steve mccraw. and i think you can describe it as disgust, right? you can hear it in his voice. in his words he said the on scene commander chose to put the lives of officers before the lives of children. >> yeah. yeah, you could hear when he said one hour, 14 minutes, 8 seconds, those children in the room, 111, essentially said had nothing and then as we bring our rosa flores in here who has been digging and digging for weeks for answers, rosa, the fact that he said they waited for a key that was never needed, that door wasn't locked, they're saying. >> reporter: you know, poppy, there are so many things that stand out about what colonel mccraw is saying here to start off, he calls all of this an abject failure, based on all of the training and learnings since
columbine. and, of course, we all have learned this, because we have been covering the stories, and that is when there is an active shooter, law enforcement go and stop the threat. period. and that is exactly what didn't happen here in uvalde. that's why the anger, the heart break is pal posspable in this community because they have been getting drips and drabs of information. the story has changed multiple times and now this is the latest episode in this story, with colonel mccraw delivering this latest timeline before the texas senate. but we have been covering a texas house committee that has been behind closed doors, and now we're learning more details. according to colonel mccraw, he said in the first three minutes there were 11, at least 11 officers and we learned this
from sources, 11 officers that entered that school, at least two of them had long guns. now, when there is discussion about the weapons that the officers had, to stop the threat in comparison with the weapon that the gunman had, that is why he's making that statement, to make it clear that these officers. at least two of them had long guns. there were 11 officers that entered into the school, and jim and poppy, we're learning much, much more, one of the important details that stands out to me from looking at the timeline he's about to go over is that it was 24 seconds, 24 seconds the time that it took the shooter to enter the school, and start shooting. >> lord. just alarming. he said sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract and neutralize, that means kill, the subject. remarkable. >> rosa flores, thank you for staying there on the ground and
for trying to get all these answers. i'm glad the public can now see some of this in public testimony. thanks to all of you for joining us today. it has been a busy morning. we'll see you back here tomorrow. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm jim sciutto. our colleague erica hill will start right after a quick break. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeednstant match instantly delivers quality candidates matchi your job description. visit indeed.com/hire ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c
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i'm erica hill in today for kate bol bolduan. the january 6th committee set to reveal new details about the plot to keep president trump in power. new troubling allegations about how police in uvalde failed to stop that massacre. and after more than two years, millions of kids can finally get their covid shots. that's what we're watching "at this hour". . we're also counting down, now just two hours away from what we are told will be new evidence of just how far former president trump was potentially willing to go to keep his grip on power. the fourth hearing from the house select committee is expected to focus on the campaign to pressure state officials and the plot to flip states that voted for joe biden. among today's witnesses, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who faced relentless pressure campaign from trump and his aides. adam schiff will lead today's hearing an