tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN June 21, 2022 2:00pm-3:00pm PDT
. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. this hour, 1 hour, 14 minutes, 8 seconds, that's how long police officers stood outside the uvalde classroom with a gunman inside as 19 children and 2 teachers were killed. the horrific testimony about the police response that is called a, quote, abject failure. >> it's going to be a problem for president biden as russia claims it could execute the two american fighters who went missing in ukraine. >> and the january 6th select committee has wrapped up in fourth hearing this month. trump not only stopped claiming there was election fraud, but he continued to put pressure on election officials to overturn the legal legitimate results even when they could not provide any evidence of fraud. >> at some point, did one of them make a comment that they didn't have evidence but they had a lot of theories?
>> that was mr. giuliani. he said, we have lots of theories. we just don't have the evidence. and i don't know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn't think through what he said. i said, what would you have me do? and he said, just do it and let the court sort it out. >> but rusty bowers, the arizona speaker of the house and other election officials were not just facing pressure from the trump team. many also endured harassment and in some cases actual violence from people in their states who believed trump's election lies. listen to this tape from the michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson. >> 45 minutes later, we started to hear the noises outside my home, and that's -- my stomach sunk. i thought, it's me. and then it's just, we don't know what's going -- the uncertainty of that was what was the fear. like, are they coming with guns? are they going to attack my
house? i am in here with my kid. i'm trying to put him to bed. so it was -- that was the scariest moment, just not knowing what was going to happen. >> we also heard from a former georgia election worker, she and her mother ruby were the targets of trump's lies, specifically lies about them. the former president accused them, falsely, of moving suitcases of ballots on election night. moss described the toll this has taken on her. >> i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all. it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. from me doing my job, the same thing i have been doing forever. >> but despite facing terrifying threats of violence from trump
supporters, cnn's pamela brown reports those state and local officials refused to upend democracy. they refused to do trump's bidding. >> you're asking me to do something against my oath and i will not break my oath. >> rusty bowers, the republican house speaker in arizona, offering powerful testimony about the pressure he faced from former president trump and his legal team. to decertify arizona's legitimate election results showing joe biden as the winner. >> he said, just do it and let the courts sort it out. and i said, you're asking me to do something that's never been done in history, the history of the united states. no, sir. he said, well, that's my suggestion would be just do it and let the courts figure it all out. >> bowers also telling the committee trump attorney rudy giuliani acknowledged they didn't have any proof of fraud. >> he said we have lots of
theories. we just don't have the evidence. >> bowers remaining steadfast in the face of a constant barrage of calls. >> mr. speaker, this is rudy giuliani and jenna ellis. we're calling you together because we would like to discuss obviously the election. >> hello, mr. speaker. this is jenna ellis, and i'm here with mayor giuliani. >> hey, brian. it's rudy. i really have something important to call to your attention. i think it really changes things. >> bowers even disputing a claim trump made about him shortly before the hearing. >> anywhere, anyone, anytime has said that i said the election was rigged, that would not be true. >> the committee revealing how trump aligned members of congress like arizona republican andy biggs, urged bowers to throw out biden electors and detailing how trump's election lies inspired many of his supporters around the country. >> the punishment for treason is
death. >> some soupporters even threatening election workers. >> we started to hear the noises outside my home, and my stomach sunk. i thought, it's me. that was the scariest moment, just not knowing what was going to happen. >> i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere. it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. >> the committee used trump's own words to make its case, playing audio of an hour-long phone call he made to georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> raffensperger, who was republican, insisted georgia's election results were accurate. >> every single allegation we checked. we ran down the rabbit trail to make sure that our numbers were accurate. >> trump's top two officials in the justice department also testifying. >> we didn't see any evidence of
fraud in the fulton county episode. >> the major allegations are not supported by the evidence. >> state officials are already investigating trump's pressure campaign in georgia, and that call specifically, for any criminal wrongdoing. >> that is a case that we are investigating. i named the crimes that i thought could be impacted. and if there is ever a crime and it is ongoing, we're going to look at everything. >> and looking ahead to thursday's hearing, that's going to focus on trump's pressure campaign against the justice department and former top doj officials in the trump administration who resisted that pressure campaign. they are expected to testify. now, the committee wants trump's former white house counsel pat cipollone to testify as well. you heard liz cheney talk about that today, saying the american people deserve to hear from him. a person i spoke with close to pat sicipollone says that he's resisting those calls as of now,
and that he believes he has sufficiently cooperated with the committee, meeting with them in an interview behind closed doors, with the permission of trump and the biden white house. jake. >> pamela brown, thanks so much. joining us live to discuss is democratic congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida. she serves on the january 6th select committee. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us. let's start with what pamela brown reported, the committee's appeal for testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone. how close are you, do you think he will agree to testify? >> i think it's important that he testifies. he was there providing the president with legal advice as he embarked upon this effort to try to overturn the 2020 election and stay in power. as we have heard from other witnesses, the president was receiving advice that indicated to him that what he was trying to do was not legal, was not ethical, was unconstitutional, and yet he pushed forward
anyway. so i think it's very important that we hear from mr. cipollone. >> do you think he's going to testify? is it going to happen? >> you know what, it's washington, and i hate to crystal ball anything. >> one of the most emotional parts of the hearing was when two longtime georgia election workers testified about the horrifying threats they received after being targeted and terrorized by trump and his minions. they say their identities were changed permanently. take a listen. >> i wore a shirt that proudly proclaimed that i was and i am lady ruby. actually, i had that shirt on. i had that shirt in every color. i wore that shirt on election day 2020. i haven't worn it since. and i'll never wear it again. now, i won't even introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when i bump into
someone i know in the grocery store who says my name. i'm worried about who's listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i'm always concerned of who's around me. i have lost my name and i have lost my reputation. i have lost my sense of security. all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shaye, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> there are a number of house republicans from your home state of florida who are all in on this election lie, on the big lie. do you think that that incredibly disturbing, distressing testimony will have any impact on them?
>> you know what i found very powerful about the hearing was that there was testimony from elected officials, the house speaker in arizona, to the secretary of state in georgia, to average ordinary citizens who so valued their power to vote that they made a career out of helping other people vote. and yet three generations of that family have been terrorized by the rhetoric that the president irresponsibly used to drum up violence towards them. it really was a heartbreaking hearing. whether or not anybody in florida on the republican side has that touch their conscience and change their mind and their path is for them to decide between them and their god. >> there was a moment, a potential legal significance, a number actually, but one in particular i think. i want to play this moment from republican national committee chairwoman ronna mcdaniel's discussion with the committee. she acknowledges trump himself
was directly involved in the scheme involving fake electors, sending a slate of fake electors to congress and to the national archives. take a listen. >> he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. i think more just helping them reach out and assemble them, but my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role. >> what was the significance of that, and do you think it's legally significant for donald trump? >> it is unprecedented for a president to organize alternate electors that do not reflect the
will of the american people or the voeltders in the states that he organized the electors in. it's quite telling that the trump campaign lawyers distanced themselves from it. when they heard that this was the path forward, they either left or said hey, that's on you if you all are going to execute on what is clearly illegal. i think, you know, it's a real problem that the president used his power and tried to subvert our democratic process in the way that he did. >> democratic congresswoman, member of the january 6th house select committee stephanie murphy of florida. thank you. >> coming up next, the secretary of state of new mexico, another state where fake electors met and tried to overturn the 2020 elections, how distrust in results is playing out in the midterms in new mexico now. >> plus, abject failure, a top law enforcement official in texas calls out the police response to the uvalde school massacre. >> they had weapons, the children had none. the officers had body armor, the
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talked about this commission in his opening remarks earlier today. take a listen. >> two of the three members of the commission finally relented. one still refused. saying his vote, quote, isn't based on any evidence. it's not based on any facts. it's only based on my gut feeling. and my own intuition, and that's all i need. by the way, a few months ago, this county commissioner was found guilty of illegally entering the capitol grounds on january 6th. >> that's really obviously no way to run elections based on feelings as opposed to numbers. are elections on shaky grounds in new mexico? >> i think elections are on shaky ground everywhere, and i think unfortunately, we're seeing a through thread coming from the 2020 general election, what happened on january 6th,
the lies, the big lie especially, and the mis and disinformation that have been spread and continue to propagate throughout a particular part of our electorate. you know, it's really starting to take root and starting to affect even groups like this county commission who while they have a very narrow focus, a very narrow statutory authority, with regard to elections, is looking to do whatever they can to impede our election process. i think it's something we all need to be deeply concerned about. >> and just to be clear, this guy's feelings were based on his belief, i guess, in the conspiracy theories having to do with dominion software, ones that are without any merit at all. it's so odd how they never, ever talk about dominion voting when it has to do with electing republicans. it's only when a democrat does well that they start talking,
these individuals start talking about fraud and dominion software and the like. >> well, you know, jake, it's even worse because in this particular case, in this particular county in new mexico, had they followed through with their threats, had they not satisfied the election results, one of the very commissioners, a republican down in that county who was on the ballot for re-election this year, would have completely erased his name from the general election ballot. so it's gotten to the point where it's not even political anymore. it's completely nonsensical. and it's just about obstructing the election process at any cost. and clearly, disenfranchising thousands of voters in that county, insuring that many candidates, even republican candidates who were on the ballot down there, didn't make it on the general election ballot, is a cost they were willing to take. >> yeah, so there's
disenfranchisement, these dilutions and lies, and there's also intimidation. there was an emotional moment from the former georgia elections supervisor talking about how she wished she had never become an election worker because of what she endured, and we heard from your counterpart in michigan and the threats to her outside her house. what happens to our democracy, if good people are scared to run for office or to be elections workers? >> i mean, this is the challenge. you know, we are all under threat, and we're all under attack. and my heart just absolutely goes out to my colleagues, whether they be chief state election officials or just folks who are working on the front lines of our democracy of all parties. what happens is this is exactly, i think, what's being intended. is a complete and utter breakdown of our democracy. i think we are on the brink here in this country, and you know, i'm reluctant to say such
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turning to our world lead, the state department has confirmed a second american has been killed in combat in ukraine. 52-year-old steven oblisky's obituary said he died in mid-may and was fighting in sourb ukraine. this comes as a kremlin spokesperson said the geneva convention that sets out how soldiers are to be treated in war time does not apply, they say, to the two captured american fighters held by rus russian-backed separatists. the families of more than a dozen detained americans are demanding a face-to-face meeting with president biden. >> a dire new threat from russia to the lives of two americans captured in ukraine. the kremlin spokesperson claiming alexander drueke and andy huynh are soldiers of fortune and not protected by the rules governing prisoners of war. dimitri peskov saying this when asked if they would be spared the death sentence. >> i cannot guarantee anything. it depends on the investigation. >> their families tell cnn both men were fighting in the
ukrainian army. >> andy and alex are not mercenaries. they are not soldiers of fortune. they are a part of the ukrainian military. and they are a part of the military, meaning that they are prisoners of war, and they should be treated as such under the geneva convention. >> we have both publicly as well as privately called on the russian government and its proxies to live up to their international obligations in their treatment of all individuals, including those captured fighting in ukraine. >> one american still wrongfully detained in russian prison is wnba star brittney griner. this week, her wife expressed deep frustration with the biden administration after britney tried to call her 11 times on their anniversary saturday. the call had been planned for almost two weekser she said. quote, i find it unacceptable and i have zero trust in our
government right now. if i can't trust you to catch a saturday call outside of business hours, how can i trust you to actually be negotiating on my wife's behalf to come home? because that's a much bigger ask than to catch a saturday call. she told the associated press. state department spokesperson ned price expressed regret and said the call has been rescheduled. >> it was a mistake. >> today, in an open letter to the president, the families of more than a dozen americans wrongfully detained around the world are demanding a face-to-face with the commander in chief. mr. president, we need you. we need your clear leadership to prioritize the expeditious resolution of these cases, they wrote. in describing themselves as exhausted, traumatized, and beleaguered. and the family of matthew heath, who is being held in venezuela, voiced dire concerns after he tried to take his own life this week. now, urgently asking the white house to act before it's too late. >> we do not think he is out of
the woods. this particular suicide attempt was not successful, thank goodness. we have every confidence he will try again. >> now, tomorrow, jake, secretary of state tony blinken is going to have a virtual conversation with the families of americans wrongfully detained abroad, and american hostages abroad. we're told by a senior state department official, and we know matthew heath's family is going to be one of the families on the phone call. that's according to what his aunt told cnn. it will be interesting to see how this call goes down given all of the circumstances that have happened over the last few days and weeks and of course, they are pressing to speak with president biden, not the secretary of state. jake. >> kylie atwood at the state department for us. thanks so much. >> a top official saying diplomatic relations with russia will, quote, absolutely not go back to the status quo as russians express frustration in their own way. fred pleitgen means a
66-year-old artist who wants russia to repent for a so-called special military operation. >> jelena might seem a bit frail, but her will is strong, and her creativity seems unstoppable. the 76-year-old artist has been detained for several anti-war protests since russia began what it calls its special military operation in ukraine. but when we visited her in her apartment in st. petersburg, she showed no signs of feeling intimidated. instead, complaining that police had taken her posters. they took some away and haven't given them back, although they promised to give them back to me. this has been going on for some time. >> so she keeps painting more posters, like this one. a bird symbolizing russia with the writer, russia is mourning, and russia is not putin. it's a repentant bird, she says, a bird in mourning.
there are many such people in mourning here. jelena is not afraid to speak out about even the most difficult topics. like the massacre in bucha, where hundreds of dead bodies were found in the kyiv suburb after russian forces retreated from there in early april. ukraine and international investigators have launched investigations into possible war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. moscow continues to reject its forces were responsible. the very large poster shows dead people with huge piercing open eyes and the text says, the eyes of the dead will remain open until russia repents. for me, what was important in this poster is this word, repentance, she said. it was important to me to emphasize it. while some russians took to the streets to protest vladimir putin's special military operation during its early days, authorities have now effectively stopped any larger movement from
taking hold. dismantling opposition groups and banning many media organizations not in line with the kremlin's policies. jelena says she understands people's fears. they are afraid of losing their jobs, she says, being expelled from college, and there have been such incidents even if they see a photo on the internet showing someone holding a ukrainian flag. that is already grounds for sacking. but yeah laina isn't scared, she says, if the authorities keep taking her protest art, she'll paint more, and even a battalion of riot police won't silence her creative mind. and jake, just to give you an idea about the strength of character that we're talking about here. jelena, she told me that she's not just thinking of possible new posters to draw, she's also thinking of repainting some of the ones that have been taken away by the authorities. now, of course, all this is very taxing at 76 years of age, but she says that as long as she's
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job it is to protect them. >> three minutes would have made a difference. >> today, stunning new criticism of the police response in the uvalde mass shooting. >> three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize the subject. >> shown in this surveillance footage showing 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school, three officers, two with rifles and one with a ballistic shield. depicting in full color the 77 minutes of horror children and teachers endured, according to the latest texas department of public safety timeline, at 11:33 a.m., within 24 seconds of entering robb elementary, the gunman started shooting. just three minutes later, 11 officers also entered. two with rifles. 19 minutes in, the first ballistic shield arrives.
at 11:54 a.m., 21 minutes after the shooting began, there's questions about whether kids are still trapped inside. >> the law enforcement response to the attack at robb elementary was an abject failure. >> the director of texas department of public safety, steven mccraw, passing judgment publicly before a texas senate special committee, one of the biggest failures, he said, waiting. >> while they waited, the on scene commander waited for radio and rifles. then he waited for shields. then he waited for s.w.a.t. lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed. >> despite earlier reports from the texas tribune, that school district police chief pete arredondo tried dozens of keys that failed to work, mccraw today confirming the door to the classroom was unlocked. the preliminary investigation suggests not one officer even attempted to open the door until it was breached at 12:50.
>> the officers had weapons. the children had none. the officers had body armor. the children had none. >> in addition, the texas tribune obtained this screen grab from a robb elementary school surveillance camera showing officers in the hallway at 12:04. according to documents obtained by the texas tribune, chief arredondo called at 11:40 a.m. saying we have him in the room. he's got an ar-15. he's shot a lot. they need to be outside the building prepared because we don't have firepower right now. it's all pistol. the investigation based on some 700 interviews, blames the police failure to intervene immediately squarely on chief pete arredondo, who also testified today but behind closed doors. >> the only thing stopping the hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the onscene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of
children. >> we reached out to arredondo's attorney and we have not heard back. but arredondo has told the texas tribune in the past that he did not consider himself the incident commander. now, jake, senators asked mccraw today if there was something in texas law perhaps under the texas commission on law enforcement, which is the regulatory agency for peace officers here thib state of texas, if there was something to hold officers accountable, and mcgraw's answer was no. >> of course not. rosa flores, thanks so much. let's discuss with terrance gainer, cnn law enforcement analyst. chief gainer, as we heard in the report, there were enough officers with enough guns and equipment to neutralize the shooter within three minutes. is there any way that chief arredondo could ultimately be held partially responsible for this massive loss of life? >> well, jake, i certainly think he's morally responsible, and
there's plenty of statutes at most city, state, county, or federal levels about official misconduct. the failure to do what you're supposed to do, which then results in a loss of life, should be considered. so we'll have to see what the texas law is and see if there's a federal violation of civil rights by his failure to do something. >> go ahead. >> over last year or so, we have talked a lot about officers' duty to intervene when there's misconduct. there's an equal obligation to intervene when there's a failure to act. >> chief arredondo testified before a closed door committee today. what questions would you want him to answer? >> well, the disparity between what he has said earlier and what he is saying now, and somehow, try to explain himself. if there's a way to do that, the man ought to speak up. when you mess up, you speak up and take responsibility of what you did so that we can all learn
how to be better. and i think he keeps, the way this information leaks out like this or is ripped out, in his failure to act, just keeps putting a dagger in the hearts of each one of these parents where they have to relive what happened to their children and their spouses of the teachers by someone's failure to act. it's patently unfair, immoral, and it is a terrible failure. >> let's not forget that in the initial reaction by police and by public officials down there in texas, was to praise how heroic the police were, when it seems the response was the exact opposite. we also learned that the door to the classroom where the carnage was unfolding was unlocked. and that a simple test of the handle could have changed everything. are officers normally trained to try a door handle before waiting for a key? >> they should have been exploring all options. you know, we talked a little bit
about this before. there were probably a few brief seconds, maybe a minute, when the decision they were trying to figure out, was this an active shooter or was it a hostage situation? i'm not defending what he didn't do. but while you're trying to figure out whether it is a hostage situation, you're supposed to have a plan to take action once the shooting starts again. and we have plenty of information now that there was ongoing shooting over a great period of time when the issue about whether this was a hostage situation where you didn't want to do something to put more kids at harm, but when you add in the telephone calls from the children in there, the telephone calls from the teachers, the spouse, the things officers should have been doing while they were outside that door. even if they were at risk, that's their duty. our job as police officers is not to come home safely at night. we have to do our best on that. our job is to make sure those we're responsible for
protecting, that they come home. someone failed dramatically, not just that commander at the scene, but some of those officers. they have to explain why they didn't take some action when it was clear based on what we know now they should have. >> all right, chief gainer, thank you for your perspective. covid vaccines are now available for children 5 years and younger. but pfizer, moderna, we'll get an expert opinion. stay with us. >> tech: cracked windshield? schedule with safelite, and we'll come to you to fix it. >> tech vo: this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on ouray. she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive. >> woman: i have few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: we came to her with service that fit her schedul >> woman: you must be pascal. >> tech: nice to meet you. >> tech vo: we got right to work, with a replacement she could trust. >> tech: we're all set. >> woman: wow. that looks great.
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have had to go to the intensive care unit and more than 400 have died. this is a disease worth preventing. i predict the moderna vaccine probably by the end of the year will probably be a three-dose vaccine, in this era where the omicron sub variants are common. >> what would you say to a mom or dad or caregiver who asks about potential side effects from the shot? >> the good news is we have a lot of information from this vaccine. there's millions of 5 to 11-year-olds who have been vaccinated. these vaccines can cause fatigue, fever, rarely high fever, but those are the side effects or symptoms that are associated with an immune response. when your body makes the immune response, you make the proteins that cause those symptoms. that's why this vaccine works so well. >> so no real serious long-term side effects are possible for a kid that gets a vaccine? >> i think the one you worry
about, the one i worry about is myoca myocarditis. you definitely saw that in the 16 to 17-year-old group where that side effect was as common as 1 in 5,000. although remember that the virus also does that at a much more common rate. for 12 to 15-year-old that's much less likely. for 5 to 11-year-olds it's much, much less likely. i think you can feel confident you're much more likely to suffer from myocarditis if you're infected with this virus. >> the ones who got myocarditis, it was treatable, no long-term effects. >> exactly. it's a self-reserving phenomenon and many times you don't need treatment. >> 18% of parents are planning to vaccinate their children immediately. 27-year-old say they're definitely not going to have their children vaccinated. what do you see to parents who
are reluctant, who are hesitant? >> that they should get this vaccine. it's not surprising. if you look, we've had only 60% have gotten. vaccine available six months or plus for 5 to 11 and only 30% have gotten it. i think parents tend to see their children as at an age where they're not seriously infected. that's wrong. if you work in a president who, you know that's wrong. please vaccinate your child. >> we heard the surgeon general say another booster might be necessary for adults in the fall. you're on the vaccine advisory community. what do you think? >> let's see the data. we'll be presented the data on june 28. the administration is interested in one that contains the ancestral strain plus an omicron strain f. there's clear evidence that's of value, we'll recommend it. if not, we won't.
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