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their ministry of defense. >> ben wedeman, thank you very much. stay staff over there. to our viewers, thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, a deluge of evidence that's what a member of the january 6th committee says it now has. this is the doj reportedly drops multiple subpoenas in its investigation. plus, a bad sign for trump? two candidates he endorsed were blown out in last night's primaries. as another candidate, dr. oz, erases mention of trump from his website. how tight is trump's grip on the zb gop? and i'm going to talk to the fiance of one of the americans being held tonight in russia.
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let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, ramping up. the justice department is ratcheting up its investigation into january 6th. according to "the washington post" tonight, federal agents issued subpoenas on people in at least two states. part of a growing probe into how trump supporters tried to use fake electors to overturn the 2020 presidential election. at least one subpoena was delivered to the home of a georgia lawyer who signed documents claiming to be a trump elector according to the post. of course, there were no trump electors because he didn't win that state. but this was the scheme. would-be trump electors in michigan were also reportedly subpoenaed. so georgia and michigan right now. and you'll remember, we learned in yesterday's hearing that republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin allegedly tried to get a list of fake electors from his home state and from michigan to vice president mike pence before the joint session of congress on january 6th.
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that was being done so pence could use that slate of electors to stay that trump won those states. johnson today, however, was still dodging questions about it. >> how much did you know about what your chief of staff was doing with the alternate slate of electors? no, you're not. i can see your screen. >> we got handed an envelope that was supposed to go to the vice president, so we called up the vice president. he didn't want it, we didn't deliver it. >> okay. johnson with not much to say. this is a man who has had a lot to say when it came to pushing lies about the election. much more on that and his role coming up. the context here is that the january 6th select committee has obtained what one member of the committee calls that deluge of new evidence. and we're finding out that because of that, hearings are now going to continue into july because of the new evidence. theoretically, this was going to
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be ending in the next few days. but now, no, this is going to be continuing after congressional recess in july. according to congressman raskin, this evidence includes new documents from the national archives, tips that have been flooding in. remember, chairman bennie thompson keeps saying, if you know something, say something. and people have. in addition, hours of raw footage from a documentary filmmaker who had access to trump and his family in the days before and after the riots. and tonight, we have new images from that filmmaker obtained by cbs, and you can see the access he had. interviewing both ivanka trump and then president trump. the evidence presented so far at the hearings has impacted at least one moderate republican, congressman don bacon of nebraska, who says he's had enough of trump. >> i will not be supporting him. ly be looking for a better candidate. >> that's the bottom line, not supporting, looking for better
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candidates. manu, look, this is -- i know it's been sort of in flux, the dates, the times. but it's been incredibly in flux as this deluge of new information has come in. what are you learning about the committee's plans now? >> reporter: we expected the hearings would wrap up next week, a couple more after tomorrow's hearing that will focus on pressure on justice department officials. but there has been new evidence that they are still sorting through. this british filmmaker who provided the committee with footage, including interviews that he conducted with ivanka trump, people in the trump inner circle. donald trump himself, both at mar-a-lago, as well as the white house. he's participating behind closed doors, talking to this committee tomorrow. now, they have put together a tips line. and tips have been, according to the committee, flooding in. and they're trying to track down whether those tips have any merit. and they're getting new documents from the national
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archives, all of which has led the committee to reassess how it wants to present its evidence in the months ahead. now, looking ahead to tomorrow, the focus will be heavily on what donald trump did to pressure his justice department to lean on states, in particular to change their electoral results, and how those republican justice department officials stood up to the president. we'll hear from jeffrey rosen, the former acting attorney general, as well as rich donahue, who is the former acting deputy attorney steven the justice department, all expected to testify, as the current justice department is pushing the committee to provide more information about the evidence that they have. bennie thompson saying they are doing just that, and plan to do more of that in july, even as the justice department wants it to move faster. >> manu, thank you. i want to go now to washington post reporter josh dossy.
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you broke the story about the fake elector scheme. i mentioned georgia and michigan. obviously, you know, the big question is, question states, how many people, and what are you able to tell us about who received these subpoenas today? >> so we know that a trump campaign official who led election operations in arizona, received one of these subpoenas this morning. we also know a georgia lawyer who served as an elector there. we also know officials in michigan who worked on that issue there, putting together these fake electors. so we know at least three different states where there have been activity. based on what our recruiting will indicate, you can expect far more of these. the justice department is ratcheting up this probe and looking at all these various states. there's more than 80 folks who served as these electors. and you also have, you know, the trump officials who orchestrated
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each of these states. you have rnc officials involved. you had a whole, you know, smorgasbord of lawyers who were involved. so you can really see this investigation -- i don't know how it will conclude, i think it's way too soon to know, but you can see north of 100 people being questioned by the end. >> that's incredible. so north of 100 possibly by the end. what does this tell you about where is justice department is? it's been north of 100 people given subpoenas already -- >> no, i'm saying there are more than 100 people who could be involved in this totally. so i don't know if there's been that many subpoenas given already, i want to make that clear. what we have seen is that this has continued to grow. what we don't quite know is what the justice department is interested in. they have shown interest in this. we know that a grand jury in washington is examining some of
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the fund-raising behind, you know, the rally, and looking at the money, that kind of came into the rally. and then other place where is the committee has, you know, publicly and privately expressed -- they would like to see more enthusiasm from the justice department and we just don't know. he said they're going to follow the facts, and that has gotten a lot of criticism from the left, who said they wished he would be more aggressive. so far, a lot of public bread crumbs for us to see. >> do you know why -- obviously we're in the middle of the hearings or somewhere in the process with the january 6th committee. all of a sudden we're finding out about these subpoenas, as if the doj is just sort of getting in action. now that may be -- go ahead. >> i think we learned about these today because they were served today. a lot of these people got their subpoenas this morning. so it seems like that after
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looking at various components of this, they have gotten around to the point where they are subpoenaing a wider circle. if you look at prosecutors, how they do this thing, they've got to decide who to subpoena based on other parts of the investigation. i think we're finding out about this today, because it happened recently, but i don't know why that is. >> josh, thank you very much. i appreciate it. obviously, important reporting and thank you for joining me. i want to go now to the former assistant attorney general for new york. so josh is saying, you know, obviously this could result in north of 100 people being involved. but a handful of people were served today. it's not just that they're finding out about it now, but it's happening now from the doj, opposed to a month or two ago that this could have happened, all these people's names are known to the doj.
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so why now? >> well, it could be just a coincidence, but we can't ignore the fact that just yesterday we heard a presentation from the committee, a quite compelling presentation, laying out in detail how this fake elector scheme worked. maybe doj is already there. but we got a pretty full presentation yesterday from the committee that gave details, specifics, and it could be that doj is trying to catch up. josh made an important point. there is an element of theory here. you think where can we insert our severals? who is somebody on the inside who we might be able to flip to turn into a coop ray for so we can build cases against other people, and you want to build up towards more powerful people. >> so josh, pointing out that this could involve more than 100 people. right now, they know of a handful. but if you're talking about fake electors and people involved, that quickly mushrooms, okay? so why are they subpoenain g
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kinzinger. how concerned are you about your safety and that of your committee members? >> i did see the horrible letters that were sent to adam's
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wife, threatening to kill her, him, and their 5-month-old baby, really. how can you even conceive of such a thing? but i do think that, you know, appropriate steps are being taken to keep everyone in the capitol safe. i don't think it's necessarily in the best interest of safety to discuss the particular details of it. but i think all of us are certainly prepared to do the job that has been assigned to us. >> so your chairman, bennie thompson, said today the committee will delay its next round of hearings into july. i know the dates have been changing, but we've been told that it would wrap up next week. now that's changed, going into july until after recess. you have described the new evidence that's come in as a mountain. that's your word. congressman raskin used the word "deluge" to describe the new
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evidence. so is all of it relevant? what are you able to tell us about the new information that you have, congresswoman? >> well, there's so much that we haven't had a chance to go through all of it. some of it we've been fighting to get for a long time. some of it is brand new, and we need to go through it. that's going to be a major effort in the next several weeks. so it's important that we do this job well, and that means plowing through all of this evidence so that we can present what's relevant to the public as part of our effort to find and disclose the truth. >> chairman thompson says as part of the new evidence, he's reviewed some of that documentary footage of trump and his family from that british filmmaker. we have some photos of the video that cbs obtained. so this is trump and the filmmaker, and that was one that interviewed trump and his
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daughter and others. thompson has called the video important. are you able to shed any light on it, congresswoman? have you seen any of the footage yourself? >> no, i have not had a chance to look at it today. i was too busy reading transcripts. but i'm sure i will see it either today or tomorrow. >> so let me ask you, in term of the evidence that's come in. one thing i think that stood out to so many of us, what chairman thompson said, if you know anything, call the fbi. it was a little unusual, and i'm curious, i know you said you don't know everything that's in it. but, you know, do you think there are gems in there of people because of that appeal to the public gave you something crucial? >> this is not the first time we have invited members oh of the public to come forward with information. we have right on our website a tip line. some of them are not worthwhile. but some of them are.
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and we've been able to follow up and learn some things, things that members of the public have told us. so yes, it's been very helpful. >> so in terms of that documentary footage itself, i'm just curious, how did you find out about this footage? it's amazing nobody knew about it. i understand there was some senior members of the trump administration that didn't know about it. i'm thinking, how can that be? you know, how did it even come to your attention? >> well, we're full of surprises, aren't we? i'll just say that we will -- we will allow the relevant portions in an orderly way. one of the things we're being very careful with, obviously, if you have a huge amount of video or even text messages you can't play them all in a two-hour hearing. we want to make sure that we're fairly presenting what we have found, and we will take every step to make sure that a fair
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representation of what is there is, in fact, presented. in the end, i think the chairman has indicated that almost everything that we have accumulated with some small exceptions for, you know, where there's a security issue with a witness will be made available. >> congresswoman, obviously tomorrow's hearing is going to focus on the doj, and trump's efforts to get the doj involved in his scheme to overturn the election. chairman thompson said there will be conversations about pardons in tomorrow's hearing. what can you tell us? >> that's right. well, i'll let you watch the hearing. it starts at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. but there is information about people who sought pardons. you know, ordinarily, innocent people don't seek pardons. so stay tuned for tomorrow.
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>> innocent people don't seek pardons. i agree someone who has agreed with that is the former president himself. congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> you bet. take care. >> you too. next, trump suffers two major blows in yesterday's primaries, as a key supporter whether trump has lost support with his base. plus, ukraine possibly enduring plus, ukraine possibly enduring its worst week since the fall of mariupol. tonight, we'll take you to the frontlines that ukrainians are s now calling a meat grindertr. with a plant-based adaptogenen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind.
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tonight, two big defeats for trump in two key congressional primary runoffs in georgia. jake evans and vernon jones both lost and they were blowouts, 33 and 49 percentage margins. and in pennsylvania, mehmet oz is now trying to distance himself from trump, now that he's running in the general election. these pictures speak for themselves. on the left, trump and center on
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oz's twitter page before the primary. now in the general, something got erased out of there. on the right, no donald trump. also missing, that he was endorsed by trump. but perhaps the biggest warning sign for trump now is amy cramer, co-founder of women for trump, a group that also helped organize the stop the steal rally january 6th. she says in part, donald trump is disconnected from the base. time for those of nus the movement to get back to the basics. we were here long before president trump came along and will be here afterwards. eric erickson, a leading conservative voice, the host of "the eric erickson show" and former dnc communications director joins me. so eric, i want to start with what we saw in these primaries last night. these were not just defeats but blowouts in terms of the primaries. based on what you see and what you are hearing from your listeners, do you think trump is
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disconnected from the base of the gopsome >> i very much do? look, in georgia, every single candidate that donald trump supported lost except for two, and those two would have won without trump. herschel walker was one. president trump, whether you look at what happened with mo brooks in alabama or you look at even his endorsement of dr. oz in pennsylvania or what happened in georgia, he seems to be focusing on 2020 and not the future. a lot of his base is ready to move on. nbc news, before the 2020 election, polled republicans are you with trump or the gop? the overwhelming majority said trump. now it's about 45% say that. >> that is a big shift. so last night, there were four republican candidates for new york governor in a debate. it was a newsmax debate. they were asked a simple question, how would they describe themselves politically on a scale from pence to trump?
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here's how they answered. >> i'm not going to answer that. i'm a limited government in all respects. >> trump and giuliani. [ applause ] no matter the two games, it's always important to be my own man. >> i'm a krichlt i've proven that. >> of course, the person who said trump and giuliani is giuliani's son. so what you saw there were the three other candidates not related to rudy giuliani, refusing to use the word trump. they would not call themselves a trump republican or a trump conservative. what does that tell you? >> they also didn't speak out against trump. you've seen the republican party, it's been a republican party who refuses to speak out against trump time and time again. the reality is, many in the republican party still seek trump's approval and will continue to do that. but the reality is, if you're going into a general election, you can't necessarily win by trump by your side.
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so i think the republican party is the republican party in crisis. the reality is, as we look ahead towards 2024, donald trump is the leader of the republican party. he put people within the rnc, within their membership across the country, and those are his loyal people. he has a loyal base and they understand that. that's why they won't speak out against him. at the same time, they understand that he's toxic. while the republican party wants to move away from him, he's not going anywhere any time soon. >> eric, one person that is not looking for the approval of donald trump is ron desantis. there are reports he isn't speaking to trump, doesn't want a trump endorsement for re-election. of course, anybody with even a passing interest in politics, in america, has run across a ron desantis profile in the past two weeks. it's impossible to avoid the guy. the story line, he may be the one republican able to beat
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donald trump. how real do you think this is, air snik >> i think it's very real. this reminds me, if you go back to 1998, when bill clinton was president, the republicans were looking at this guy in texas running for re-election. there were lots of contenders to be leader of the republican party and they started flirting with this governor named george bush. by 2000, everyone knew he was going to be the nominee. ron desantis is starting to have that feel. when you look at it, donald trump had a poll released yesterday showing desantis losing to charlie chris. a poll out of new hampshire shows ron desantis in a race winning even with donald trump in the race. there's clear momentum for desantis right now. >> you're eric compare desantis buzz to george w. bush before he won two terms in the white house. you have to see some context. desantis, 36 years younger than joe biden.
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many in your own party have raised concerns about that. how concerned are you if this momentum is real and lasts and becomes the nominee versus biden? >> i think the reality, is he needs to get through a primary. i think you're going to have a very messy primary. people thought that democrats were going to have a messy primary. republicans will with this factor. i'm not worried about it yet. they're cut from the same cloth. they stand for the same things. democrat also define desantis in that way as they would trump. i think the republican party needs to figure out whether they're the party of trump and desantis or larry hogan and a more moderate. if they pick trump and desantis, it's going to be hard to win. regardless, it will be a close race moving forward. the reality, is they do have records. and you will have a democratic party that tries to tie both trump and desantis together.
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>> thank you both very much. i appreciate your time and perspective. >> thank you. next, the setback for ukraine. crucial u.s. military aid is said to have been destroyed as parts of the country are right now being pummelled by putin's forces. russia claims it has no idea where the two americans captured in ukraine are being held. does the fiance of one of the men believe putin at all? she's "outfront." announcer: type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk,
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russia tonight claiming it destroyed american howitzers in ukraine. these are weapons desperately needed, as ukraine attempts to turn the tide of the war. the key city of car kharkiv bra for another onslaugt, sam kylie
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has more. >> translator: i hope and believe with all my heart that light will conquer darkness. >> reporter: it's a distant prospect, because russian forces are massing for a new assault on their hometown. she fled the last russian attacks in april, when this area bore the brunt. thousands of people were driven from their homes in this northeastern suburb of kharkiv. hundreds across the city were killed in missile strikes that did this kind of damage to whole apartment blocks. the remains of some of those missiles are still scattered in the rubble here. and it still smells of death. kharkiv suis under constant shelling. this college dorm was hit on a day when 15 people were killed in and around the city. on the front line, it's easy to
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see where russia calls one of its rocket systems "hail." many ukrainian fighters raise private funds to buy civilian drones. it spots a russian soldier, who hears the aircraft and shows potentially fatal curiosity. less than 100 yards sometimes separates the enemy. ukrainian forces call conventional warfare like this the meat grinder. >> the main disadvantage and everyone knows it, and it's the only one i will tell is the raw numbers. there are just too many of the forces and stuff. >> reporter: ukrainian intelligence officers forecast for kharkiv is a new threat of hail. >> on this picture, you can see well hidden vehicles, and they are placing them almost -- we have firing positions of two
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self-propelled artillery, and the fire and control unit right here. they actually tell us that they are going to prepare another invasion of kharkiv. >> do you have an estimate when that might happen? >> i can't be 100% sure, but i am kind of confident. so in a week, i would say. >> reporter: this is proving to be a long war. prayer often the last line of defense. >> and sam, obviously you're live in kharkiv tonight. talking to that soldier you were speaking to, he was talking about the disadvantage that he feels they're at just in terms of raw numbers. you know, how is the russian advance that they have been enduring impacting morale among ukrainian forces as you see it? >> reporter: well, erin, i've now been talking to a lot of foreign fighters inside the
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ukrainian armed forces and ukrainian soldiers over the many weeks i've been covering this war. and there is a distinct and obvious drop in morale, no matter how much you talk up, they talk up the success of ukraine's defense of kharkiv, the very successful defense of kyiv. they are now openly talking, even the government talking about casualties of 100 to 200 dead every day. that's effectively a nato battle group taken off the battlefield, because they would mean another 500 or so injured. those are astronomical casualty figures. they are feeling that the initiative is returning to the russians. the russians have the mass, which means that the ukrainians have not getting the weapons that they need to change the momentum back to their advantage. their advantage has been move first, strike quickly. if they get into a slugging match with the russians, they know they could get round down
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almost completely. >> sam, thank you very much. sobering but important to hear that reality tonight. thank you from kharkiv tonight. next, the state department in touch with russia about the two americans captured in ukraine. the fiance of one of the missing men is next. what is she hearing from officials? and senator ron johnson in the middle of the elector scheme. this is far from his first controversy. listen to johnson railing against vaccines. >> we've heard story after story, i mean, all these athletes dropping dead on the field. but we're supposed to ignore that. (♪ ♪) i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (exced yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. withhirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrientto support immune health.
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griner with her wife, due to a lack of staffing at the u.s. embassy. meanwhile, two men fighting in ukraine, training ukrainian forces, are still being held tonight. putin saying he doesn't know where they are, and that they are not protected by the geneva convention. the state department says it is in direct contact with russia, which obviously is in important and significant, but they say they're not getting answers. we have been checking in almost daily with joy black about these developments and she's with me again tonight. i appreciate you coming back on to talk about this publicly. i can only imagine how difficult this is for you, just wanting andy to be safe and to come home. i know you've been speaking with the state department regularly. did they have any news for you today? >> umm, still waiting on concrete evidence for them to get back to us. when i spoke to him today, he
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told us that this is a top priority for the state department and the government, and that they're working very hard on this every single day. >> so putin's spokesperson said to cnn that the kremlin doesn't know where your fiance is. i spoke with alex druky's mom and here's somewhat she said. >> i would be very surprised if russia didn't know what was going on, because they indicate to the rest of the world that they're very powerful and that they know a whole lot, and especially if these are russian surrogates that are doing their bidding over there in ukraine so that they can annex all of that territory. >> joy, what do you think when the kremlin says that they don't know where they are? >> umm, i think that it is very
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interesting of them to say that. i did hear them say that, and right now, i just have to put my faith in and trust in the process with our government. so that's what i'm doing to try to stay positive. but i do think that it was very interesting to they had that to say. can you share more about him so people can understand the man that's missing? >> he's always been so full of love and compassion. we have such a close bond. he's always been so kind to me. in a time i would feel down or sub conscious he would bring me back up. whenever we would get ready to
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go out and i would be feeling bad about myself, he would tell me i'm beautiful to him. he was always the best. i just want him back. >> joy, hopefully he will be coming back and they will have news for you. i think we are all at least glad to know the state department is talking to you regularly and giving you up dates. have they given you any sense of their conversations with the russians or how they feel about those? >> what i have been told is they are in contact with them. although, in terms of what they have been saying, the press conference they had recently speaks a lot to it, especially mentioning that they are protected by the geneva convention. they are very clear that they are detected by it. i think
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that's good that they made that clear. >> thank you very much for coming on, for talking. i hope these updates are going to change and you will have good news about andy. we all do, thank you. >> thank you. >> next, senator ron johnson, jobs attempt to overturn the election. that's not the first l lie that the republicans hahave handled. . ototezla is not a cream. it's a pill thatat treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, you can achieve clearer skin. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla can cause serious allergic reactions. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight
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saying nothing to see here. we are out front. >> reporter: there is no conspiracy here. a complete nonstory. when it comes to senators johnsons involvement, he tried to put forward up vase of electors. >> some interns said the vice president needs this. i wasn't involved. >> reporter: the wisconsin republican said there's nothing to see here. >> we got handed an envelope. though vice president wanted it and we delivered it. >> reporter: he didn't create fake electors from michigan and wisconsin and he didn't deliver them. that he did embrace the elections celebration. >> we are saying let's delay accepting the electors until we actually investigate what the issues are in that state. >> reporter: underlining this controversy that he's waited
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into. now he has fire power by democratic opponents. after the january 6 insurrection, johnson would've been more's vocal if he faced black lives matter protest. >> people that truly respect law enforcement would never do anything to break the law. the tables have been turned and had president trump won the election and those were black lives matter and nt the protesters, i might've been concerned. >> many said that was racist. the senator said that wasn't his intent. they merely are asking questions. he's made headlines for his outlandish claims like dismissing climate change. >> the science of man caused
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climate change is not proven by any stretch of the imagination. >> reporter: and about the corona virus vaccine. even suggesting athletes were dropping dead after getting the shot. >> we've heard story after story of athletes dropping dead on the field. we are supposed to ignore that nothing happened here. nothing to see. this is a travesty and a scandal. >> even today when ron johnson was asking the question about the electors, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that johnson has backed away from any of these absurd claims. >> reporter: he's not backing down from any of the controversies. vaccine issue he said he wants to bring up the potential adverse effects even though people are aware of them. even though, of course, there is no evidence the athletes drop dead on the field. the spokesperson said that in the past two elections,
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americans have questioned the legitimacy of the results. he believes that his democratic opponents are seizing on the remarks and a number have called on him to resign. here's what his spokesperson says about that. the senator has never considered resigning. why would this attack be any different? >> thank you very much. thank you for being with us. we begin tonight with a new report about the department of justice and new information about investigation of the electors plot which the january 6 committee calls multi-pronged effort of the former president and allies to overturn the election. they issued subpoenas for multiple states that appeared to be in the plot. that includes the republican chairman who