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-- captions by vitac -- i'm sara sidner, and this is "cnn tonight." this is the scene outside the united states supreme court this evening, after one of the most consequential rulings in modern history, a reversal of a
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precedent that has been in place for nearly 50 years. women in america no longer have a constitutional right to an abortion. a live look now at the demonstrations which have popped up around the country. and earlier in the day, when the supreme court decision came down, reversing roe versus wade, this is what it looked like when conservatives who believed they are saving unborn children heard the decision. [ cheers and applause ] hugging and cheering. the opposite emotions from those who say this is just another way to control a woman and limit the choices she can make about her own life. >> the supreme court issued an illegitimate, fascist ruling. this decision is an outrage. >> the fight over the issue is, by no means, over, but the decision is already having real
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world impact. tonight for the first time since richard nixon was in office, abortion is now illegal in eight states, south dakota, oklahoma, missouri, arkansas, louisiana, wisconsin, kentucky, and alabama. and they will not be the only ones between states with so-called trigger laws that were designed to go into effect for precisely this moment. and states that may be able to use old, unenforced bans, more than half of the states could make abortion illegal in the coming hours, days, and weeks. headlines from across the country, in new orleans, the city's only abortion clinic closed by lunchtime. in wisconsin, planned parenthood saw four patients today, but 70 more were sent home or had appointments for tomorrow cancelled. and in texas, not only have clinics closed -- writing in the decision, justice samuel alito,
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roe was wrong from the start. its reasoning was exceptionally weak and the decision has had damaging consequences. and far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, roe and casey have inflamed debate and deepened division. if that section of the opinion sounds familiar, it is because justice alito wrote the same thing in the draft opinion that was leaked. in his remarks condemning today's ruling, president biden focused on the most recent conservative justices to join the court and the man who put them there. >> it's a sad day for the court and for the country. now with roe gone, let's be very clear, the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk. it was three justices named by one president, donald trump, and the court's decision to upend
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the scales of justice and eliminate a fundamental right for women in this country. >> the president also made clear he has no executive power to undo that ruling. instead putting the burden on congress to try and restore roe's protections. house republicans meanwhile are looking at trying to get a 15-week abortion ban passed on the federal level, something house minority leader kevin mccarthy tells cnn he's open to. but as of tonight, the matter is now one for the states. i'm joined tonight by nancy northup. she is the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights which represented the mississippi abortion clinic at the center of today's supreme court ruling. nancy, welcome. >> thank you. >> nancy, you've anticipated this could happen. a lot of people did after they saw that leaked document. now that it has, can you give me a sense of what that moment was like when you heard the supreme court's decision knocking down roe versus wade? what was that like for you? >> it was absolutely gut
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wrenching, even though i intellectually knew this was the decision that was going to come down from the court. as soon as i saw on the scotus blog, you know, feed that the decision was out and that it was justice alito's opinion, it was clear that it was going to be the version that we had seen in the leaked draft opinion. so, it's devastating that the center for reproductive rights represents the clinic at the center of this case. and our lawyers had to be on the phone with them today talking about what the future holds because of this decision. >> can i ask you, you know, a follow-up question? what does the future hold? what is the future of your fight? >> well, in the very immediate term, it's going to be to try to stop these trigger laws from going into effect. 13 states have them. and they purport to say as soon
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as roe versus wade is overturned, they will be banning abortion, some say right away, like louisiana. others say maybe ten days, two weeks. but we'll be seeking to stop those from going into effect. so, stay tuned for that. also to make sure that at every level of government and every branch of government, we look to both the white house and the executive branch for the full ability to use their power to keep abortion access. we look to states that are going to be able to strengthen their own laws. michigan's got an issue on the ballot to protect abortion rights this fall. that's going to be important. so, we're going to be making sure -- state constitutions. we'll be seeking to get those. many states already have constitutional protections. it's going to be really, really tough, which is why people out on the streets right now in the united states making their voices heard is so incredibly important. >> we are seeing that in plenty of places across the country
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right now. you're seeing that san francisco, a high upshot of people, industries protesting. but i do want to talk to you about the other side of this argument. have you ever tried to understand, to empathize, with the point of view that many conservatives certainly take and those who are against the abortions being illegal, that they're on the side of the unborn because the unborn cannot speak for themselves? >> the supreme court has made clear and this debate, which has gone on for decades, people have strong feelings on both sides of it. but the supreme court in the roe decision -- and, again, they passed this very issue 30 years ago in planned parenthood versus casey. what do you do when there's such division of opinion? and the court has reached a compromise previously in its decisions where it recognizes how central to a woman's health and her life and her future plan it is to be able to control a pregnancy and had recognized that the state could regulate
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some in abortion because of the interest in developing embrionic and fetal life. and the court upset that today and completely removed the pregnant person's side of the equation. completely removed it. >> aboris clinics across the south and midwest have already started to close, as you mentioned. in your estimation, what does this mean for some women who live in those states, for their reproductive health? and for those who wanted abortions, what does it mean for them? >> look, it means that people who are seeking abortion care are going to have to leave their states traveling hundreds or maybe thousands of miles if they have the means to do so. now, luckily we have employers, companies that are stepping up and saying they're going to cover their employees' ability to do that. others will rely on abortion funds, which are important to
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support people having to leave the state. but some aren't going to have to means to do so. and they're going to be forced to carry their pregnancies to term. and the other thing that people pieg might not realize is that for women who are miscarrying, that this is going to get them caught up -- and we already saw this in texas with its extreme ban that was previously and currently in effect that they get caught up with not being able to get the care they need for miscarriage management because of the chilling effect of abortion bans. so, as soon as you start criminalizing abortion, you're making every miscarriage possibly a crime scene. and this is why it is so clear that none of this should be part of the criminal law. it should be part of medical care between a patient and their doctor. >> you had mentioned the trigger laws. there already are abortion bans being implemented. 13 states have those laws in place. 13 will likely follow. and conservatives are already talking about getting a federal law ban on abortions up to 15
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weeks. what will be your move because this is definitely clear that the fight is not over and there are people who feel very deeply and strongly and have very strong convictions that they want abortion to end in this country. >> well, the vast majority, as recent polls have high -- we have all-time high of people in the united states want access to abortion to be legal. the fight will continue at the state level, ballot initiatives, in the court, and it will continue at the federal level. the president said today that the administration would be looking to protect abortion access. he referenced both medication abortion and also the ability for people to do to other states. and, look, the united states is an enormous outlier to the rest of the world, which has been moving forward in the last 30 years. 60 countries have liberalized their abortion laws.
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today we went backward, way behind the rest of the world. and we're seeing outrage from around the world about this decision. >> of course the folks on the other side of this think that this is a great day in america. nancy northup, thanks for taking the time to speak with us. please stick with us. in just a bit, we have a passionate panel of women with very different views on the supreme court's roe versus wade decision. between them, one is celebrating. the other is infuriated. first, one of the most well-known political candidates in the state of georgia looking to ban abortion? stacey abrams is now going to join me in the next break. you'g at your tired old bath, we fit your style, with hundreds of design options. when a normal day is anyththing but normal, we fit your schedudule, with our unique tub over tub process, installed in as little as a day. when high quality is the only quality that matters, we fit your standards, with a lifetime guarantee. bath fitter. it just fits.
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and black women are three times more likely to die in child birth than white women. the mortality crisis hits especially hard in the state of georgia, where the racial disparities in health care are even worse. and maternal death rates are the second highest in the united states. joining me now is stacey abrams, the democratic nominee for georgia governor. we should also mention that we invited your -- your opposite on from the republican side of things, and he declined. i want to start with what we are seeing right now from the supreme court. there are people out in droves protesting the roe versus wade decision. but there are some also out celebrating it. i want to get your reaction on today's ruling and what it will mean for the women in your state especially in your view the women of color. >> it's dangerous. it is appalling. i am angry. but i'm also committed. we know that georgia has -- our population is 33% african american. now, as you pointed out, black
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women face three times higher maternal mortality rate than their white counterparts. for hispanic women, it's nearly the same. and we have two of the largest populations in this state. we also are ranked near the bottom in term of access to health care. we are number two in the number of uninsured. we have a very broken health care system. we have refused to expand medicaid. our maternal mortality rates are extraordinary. we are number six in terms of infant mortality. and what all of this means is that we have a health care system that is not equipped to do the very job it should do. and now we are going to add additional pressure by not only denying women access to medical care, but we're also going to criminalize and prosecute doctors for providing that care. that is setting up a situation where georgia becomes dangerous for women. and that is untenable. >> that's a really strong statement that you are saying, your state becomes, as you put it, dangerous for women. i want to talk about a recent poll out of georgia.
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it shows that 68% of georgia voters oppose the supreme court's action today. 54% are also against the state's six-week abortion ban, which is sure to be reinstated. governor kemp has vowed to go further. he said he wants to outdo other governors in passing the toughest anti-abortion laws. what does that mean for your political run? and do you or any time in your life did you think that abortion should be illegal? >> let's start with that part of the question. i was very much on the side of anti-abortion through much of my upbringing. i grew up in mississippi in a very religious family, in a religious community. and i was raised to have a very uncritical eye to this question. once i really started thinking about what it meant and more importantly when i had a friend who had to confront the very real consequences of an unwanted pregnancy and i wasn't able to give any help to her, i had to re-evaluate where i stood. i understand the sincere
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concerns, but those are religious concerns or driven by personal morality. and that should be your choice. but abortion is a medical issue. it is about a medical decision. and there is no place in that medical decision for ideology or for politicians. and so the question of what we should do, politics is about how we make choices in a democracy. and in our country and as of today, that choice has to be made by the governors in each of our states. the governor of georgia has already said he does not care about women and their bodily autonomy. he does not care about their health because he has not only already adopted and signed into law the most restrictive abortion law in georgia's history with the restrictions at six weeks. he has said in interviews that he also supports eliminating access for incest and rape. this is someone who cannot be trusted to simply stop at the water's edge. he is going to go further and
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further. anyone who doubts simply has to listen to his words. for women in georgia, especially women of color in georgia, brian kemp is dangerous. he does not intend to protect women or their bodies, or worse he does not intend to give them the health care they need. he refuses to do what's right for the women of georgia. this is the same man who claims to care about women and children who was throwing away thousands of canisters of baby formula as recently as a month ago because he does not care what happens after birth. he does not care about what happens to our communities. and i would dare anyone to look at his record and to look at his rhetoric and tell me how this is someone who should be in charge of the lives of women in the state of georgia. >> i do not speak for governor kemp, but i know that he would push back to say he does very much care about women and families. you are saying in your view that when you look at some of the things that he has said and some of the legislation he's pushing for, you completely disagree. i'd like to turn to another
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major issue brought up by the u.s. supreme court. congress finally passed bipartisan gun reforms today, which you've called an important step. we also, though, have this ruling by the supreme court that basically says states can't really regulate, you know, guns, especially when it comes to being able to just carry them around in the streets. what do you think are the challenges going forward in georgia and the rest of the country? >> and i think this goes to my earlier point, and i appreciate the even-handedness that you're taking. but let's be clear. i'm not speaking from rhetorical space. i'm speaking from the record that we have seen in georgia. on the issue of gun violence in the state of georgia, my opponent in the face of opposition from law enforcement, eased gun laws in the state of georgia. after a massacre just a year ago. he has taken steps to make it easier for criminals to carry weapons, for those who have domestic violence convictions to carry weapons, for those who have mental health concerns to carry weapons in the streets.
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his hypocrisy is what i want people to look at. and what we know is that what the supreme court has done is still less than what georgia has already done. the supreme court did by rolling back new york's laws made it less safe for new yorkers but brian kemp has already done that here in the state of georgia. and my deep concern is you cannot claim to care about the people in your state and take actions using the law to limit their protection, to undercut their safety, and to place them in harm's way. that contradiction and that hypocrisy, to me, is unfathomable. and we know if you look at his record -- put rhetoric aside -- his record does not show a concern for the life and welfare of georgians. there are those he will speak up for, but too often in our state, the people who are the most vulnerable, who are the most fragile, or who are in the most need of assistance do not receive it. and whether we're talking about babies trying to get formula or women who simply want to survive, his decisions are harming them. and for communities that are
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afraid of gun violence, which has increased under his watch, he has made it easier to carry those weapon of violence. >> stacey abrams, i appreciate you coming on, democratic nominee for the governor of georgia. i do want to, again, extend a request from governor kemp. come on the show. we will talk through this. thank you so much for being here, stacey. >> thanks for having me. >> we're watching the scenes outside the supreme court and throughout the nation on this extraordinary night. we'll look at what's ahead for the court as justice thomas looks at other rulings. and what do democrats do after this massive defeat for reproductive rights? we'll is are the conversation when "cnn tonight" returns. have and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you u imagine 24 hours without heartburn? we need to reduce plastic wastee in the environment. that's why at americaca's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be re-made.
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two precedents erased in about 20 hours. roe erased after more than 50 years. we watched as history was rewritten after justices who said they wouldn't dare change long-held precedent. >> it is a precedent that has now been on the books for several decades. it has been challenged. it has been reaffirmed. >> part of being a good judge is coming in and taking precedent
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as it stands. >> as a judge, it is an important precedent of the supreme court. by that i mean roe v. wade. >> a fetus is not a person. that's the law of the land. i accept the law of the land. >> we should note, before all this confidence in the supreme court had hit a historic low, down 11% from just a year ago. we have lots to talk about as i'm joined by jennifer rogers, former congresswoman, and conservative commentator, kerry sheffield. lady, ladies and gentlemen so much for being here. it is an incredibly emotional night for a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. i am going to start with you, jennifer. in roe versus wade, the justices said that abortion was a constitutional right. now the justices are saying it is absolutely not a constitutional right. it is now up to the states. is this the first time that the supreme court made a decision saying something was constitutional and has taken that back?
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>> well, it's the first time that the court has affirmatively recognized a constitutional right that it says is new or just newly discovered. so, in roe they said there is now a constitutional right to abortion, grounded in the right of privacy. that is the first time that was said. now 49 years later they said, when we reaffirmed it again and again and again across all these different supreme courts, we were wrong. we didn't mean it. we're taking it back. it's the first time that has ever happened. >> when you saw what happened, kerry, what did you think? and what do you think about this argument that this is a precedent-setting case, and you heard the justices there saying, we would not mess with precedent. precedent is dprents and we're going to leave it as is. that's not what happened today. >> i rejoiced. i felt like we finally had justice for the unborn, the preborn children. i had deep gratitude this has been recognized after 50 year of
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striving and fighting for this moment. nerms of the precedent, i think what i've heard from people who work and work with these justices, they said they would respect precedent. just because you understand or respect precedent does not mean precedent should stand. in the case of plessy versus ferguson, that was 1896 and it was overturned before the brown v. board of education, many decades later. the precedent is no means ironclad. there is a moral weight that the person is a child should be recognized as enumerated to the states. the word, enumeration, in the constitution -- which i have right here tonight -- >> i saw. >> -- it is an enumerated right states have. anything that is not enumerated to the federal government shall be with the states. and that is what we see here. >> let me ask you this. because the states are doing this -- this is now up to the states. but there are republicans trying to push forward a federal ban on
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abortions that are more than 15 weeks. do you agree that a federal ban should be put in place? >> well, i think what's important to just take a step back and note if you're living in california or new york or more progressive areas, nothing will change. this is where things are. >> i knew this was going to happen. >> abby -- >> so, you don't -- >> but do you think that -- yes or no, should this be also a federal ban eventually in your mind? >> i personally prefer that but i know that people on the other side don't prefer that. that is the beauty of federalism to say that people will migrate. they will vote with their feet at the end of the day. as much as i would like to see a federal ban, i know that is politically unlikely. so, that, i think, is the best compromise. in fact ruth bader ginsburg said -- >> she did not say -- >> let me quote her. >> excuse me her. >> i'm going to go to break -- >> you literally just cited a case from 1896 before women had the right to vote in this
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country. what happened today is absolutely horrifying. every single person in this country, including you, who's celebrating today about this overturning, you support a 12-year-old who's been raped to have to actually carry her pregnancy to term. that is what you support. you support women dying in this country if they have an atopic pregnancy because that is what will happen. >> i don't. are you putting words in my mouth. >> that is not okay. >> you're putting words in my mouth. >> let me jump in. >> i never said anything about that. >> that is what this decision is going to cause. >> hold on a second. hold on, hold on. okay. >> you're taking away my rights and supporting it is disrespectful. >> so, abby makes one point about plessy versus ferguson and i think everyone has heard the argument that this was back in the 1800s and then 54 years later, brown versus board of education came up and a decision was made that reversed that.
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i do want to ask you, abby, what do you think about that particular argument? because all americans, probably at this point -- i would say most americans, think that was the right decision. and what kerry is saying is this is also a moral decision. >> well, you can have your moral decisions and your moral beliefs sincerely, your religious beliefs, your moral beliefs. you should be able to have those in this country. it is the united states of america and you should be able to act on your moral and religious beliefs. but what i am asking tonight is that people wake up in this country and respect me, respect women across this country, our choices, respect doctors. that is what this is about. literally women will die. that is what's happening. when roe, again, is being overturned today, you will have 12 year olds having to carry a rapist pregnancy to term. that is the answer to violence is not more violence.
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abortion is violence. abortion is violence. >> forced birth is -- >> okay, so we've got the two very strong arguments and to be fair, in this country, both arguments have been so strongly put on the table. you can talk to anybody about it if they're on either side of this. you're going to get this. i do applaud you for caring so much about this issue because it is a issue that deeply affects women and children. all right. the legal side of this because we talked about plessy versus ferguson, brown versus board of education. weigh in on that argument. >> if you're going to overturn a precedent, it's supposed to be one of the fundamental foundational things that the supreme court is based on. that's what justice roberts says in his concurring opinion. he didn't want to go as far as to overturn roe versus wade because judicial restraint dictated they did not do that. but they did anyway. the difference between what happened today and what happened in brown v. board of education
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is plessy v. ferguson was a decision that was made that didn't -- it didn't grant a right but it didn't take away a right. >> it didn't grant a constitutional right. >> it didn't grant a constitutional right. all these years later, the court said, hey, we got that wrong when we made that decision. now all these years later with society having changed and us frankly having understood the rights -- it was a racial discrimination case, of course -- we now are making the right decision and overturning that wrong decision. but they didn't take away a right that had been granted. today, the court really goes backward. so, in other words, in brown, they're moving forward. they're moving forward with the progress of society. today, we're moving backward more than 50 years saying you had a right, women, for all those years. it was great. but guess what, it's gone now. that's moving us backwards against the will of society which is very much in favor of safe and legal abortion. >> we're going to talk about that in a minute. kerry, i'll let you weigh in on that. i'm going to go to the break. we're going to stick with you.
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continuing our conversation now. it's been heated. i want to take a moment to look at what everyday americans think. and the polling, again, has shown that americans, in general, thought that roe should stand with some caveats, that there should be some restrictions. a lot of people, when you talk to them about their feelings about it, it changes a little. but in general. so, do you think that this is the minority leading the majority? in other words, the supreme court has taken the side of the people in the minority when the majority of americans actually believe that roe should be the law of the land with the caveat of some restrictions on abortion. >> right and those restrictions are key. so, gallup has tracked this for decades. when you see there is a spectrum in term of intensity and propensity to support abortion or be pro-life, the longer the
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gestation period, the weaker the support for abortion becomes. so, once you hit about after the first trimester, it becomes a majority of americans who say they support restrictions on abortion. at what point is the minority leading majority to say this is a federal right. it is not a federal right. i want to quote ruth bader ginsburg. he said that the roe decision halted a political process that was moving in a -- deferred stable sentiment of the issue. you're going to have a much higher propensity in a state where i'm from, missouri, for example, which has one of these trigger laws. it's great in my home state, whereas in new york or california this is i believe the way forward and roe was a monkey wrench in this process. >> she's not the only person that brought this up. but it is clear ruth bader ginsburg thought roe should be the law of the land, even though
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that legal argument had been made by others. when this decision was made, it caused this tension. the states were already going this way. what do you make of this idea that a lot of people in our country when they are poll say roe should stand, even though as we talked about, there should be restrictions. it is now not the law of the land. it is up to the states. >> i think it is imperative right now that democrats, in particular, people who care about freedom, care about women and our health care, get very loud but very, very honest about what this really, really means. i mean, we've had conservatives talking about the extremes and all of that for all of these years. i remember running for office in 2018. the attacks used against me were basically saying i was ripping babies out of wombs and selling their body parts on the street corner. that's absurd. those are lies. we don't need lies. we just have facts. and the fact is right now
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because of the overturning of roe v. wade, again, you will have children who are raped having to carry a pregnancy to term in this country. women will die. that is what this decision means. and if you support the overturning of roe today, you support those things happening. that is the fact because that is what will happen in kentucky. that's what's going to happen in oklahoma. that is what's going to happen quite frankly in states like iowa where you're going to have these governors who are conservatives tripping over themselves just trying to get to the furthest right as they can because they want to run for president next or they want to the vice president next. that is what's going to happen. and again, women will die. >> in states -- hold on a second. >> using rhetoric that is untrue -- >> come on -- >> hold on. >> i let you speak without interrupting you. you want to know the truth --
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>> i am stating the facts. >> planned parenthood says it is not an abortion. >> it is an abortion. >> check with planned parenthood. >> medical care for women is -- >> we're going to leave it there, ladies. ladies, we're going to leave it there because we have another -- we have another big issue to talk about. guys, guys, guys -- let's stop here because i know what your answer is going to be. we're going to talk about another issue that came up that isn't just about abortion. it is about something justice thomas said. he made big news because if you start reading this decision, he talks about and argues that other precedent-setting cases should be revisited by gay marriage. i've got to ask you -- and i'm going the ask this to all of you but first to kerry because you're the legal mind here. does this hurt the legitimacy of the supreme court? >> well, it seems to. i mean -- >> not kerry, i'm sorry.
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jess. >> their approval ratings are certainly way, way down. part of it is the inconsistency. we talk about states' rights and yesterday came out with this big decision. states, you would like to do what you want with conceal carry but we're not going to let you because everyone has a right to carry whatever they want outside of the home. today the court goes in the opposite direction and says states no longer can do what you want -- or you can do what you want with respect to abortion. there's no federal right. so, some of it is the inconsistency. some of the it is this flat out -- at least he's honest -- statement by justice thomas saying, we're not done. there is no principled legal distinction between abortions right to privacy and the gay marriage, the same sex sexual conduct right to privacy, even the contraception right to privacy. these are based on the same thing the court has now said no longer exists. people don't like that. people don't want to think that
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their right to go out and get contraception even as a married couple can be taken away from them. they say abortion is different. why? because abortion is a tough moral question. it's a moral issue. >> but the court is supposed to be doing the moral question. >> do you know what else is a moral question for a lot of people. contraception. gay rights. the same people will find serious moral question with those things too. thomas is telling us where he wants to go. this is not the roberts' court anymore. this is the thomas and alito court and they're going to get some of those people on to take away other rights too. >> i know you agree with this court a lot of conservatives do, most conservatives do. abby, i know where you stan. i know where you stand. we will continue this conversation over the next days and weeks. thank you for being here and so knowledgeable and passionate. we're going to have someone coming up, a unique perspective really on this week's action on
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con depress just did what many thought was unthinkable. they passed a bipartisan gun bill. this just a day after the supreme court expanded access to firearms. the concern now is about how these actions will affect the rise in gun violence. my next guest knows the consequences far too well. dr. joseph is the director of emergency general surgery at johns hopkins. doctor, i really appreciate you coming in on this day. >> thanks so much for having me, sarah. >> first of all, i want to explain a little bit about your story. you don't just treat people sqand
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you are not just familiar people who have injuries ask sometimes die from being shot. you, yourself, experienced it. can you tell us what that was like for you? yeah. i mean, so look, i come to this conversation as someone who, as a 17-year-old high school student, went from a healthy teenager to collateral damage after i was nearly killed when i was shot in the throat with a 38 caliber pumt. and i think, you know, when something like that happens, you know, for me at least, it inspired me to go into medicine, and inspired me to panic a trauma surgeon because i was trying to give other people the same second chance that i was given. and i think, you know, sarah, as time progressed, i started to realize that, you know, we need to be thinking beyond our trauma center, beyond the operating room. because as good of a trauma surgeon that i think i am, as incredible as my team is, the reality is the best medical treatment is prevention and that's why we have been working at this intersection of medicine, public health, ask public policy to try to make that happen. >> can i ask you what it is that
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we all, you know, who are not dealing with this kind of trauma, of people coming in with gunshot wounds, what are you seeing? and what are other doctors seeing around the country, whether they are in rural places where there isn't care close by or whether they are in big cities, like chicago or new york or oakland or, you know, los angeles, and they have large numbers of people who are getting shot on a regular basis. what kind of injuries? what are we missing? what kind of things happen to the body? >> well so, i think, you know, let me just, first, say had we talk about this, we often talk about this as it relates to the mass shootings, right? but what we, as healthcare professionals, as trauma surgeons see, is the everyday toll of gun violence. and i can tell you, you know, it's operating on children that have been shot because of an unlocked, you know, and loaded weapon. it's having to deliver a baby in a pregnant mom that was shot and killed. it's trying to operate on high
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school students that are bleeding, and have pulverized bone and ripped arteries because of assault weapons. it's a variety of these spectrums, and every day in cities like palate more ask chicago and philadelphia, we have young black men that are being killed on our streets. and so, we have a responsibility to kind of elevate and tell those stories because we, as healthcare professionals, are seeing this every day. and i will tell ya, i -- when he were in the senate the other night getting ready to witness. >> we should mention that. you were there in the senate when the senate was passing this bill. >> yeah. >> hafs that moment like? because most people said nothing's going to be done. 19 children slaughtered, blown to bits an ar-style rifle and nobody cares just like when sandy hook happened. and then, something did happen. what do you think about the legislation? >> i think let me just, first, say i think it is historic. i think it's historic and i think it's the first step, right? like any complex public-health problem, we need a variety of
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issues that is going to tackle this. and when i was sitting there, you know, in the senate committee hearing waiting to be ushered into the gallery, i looked around and i saw, you know, survivors, right? people that had lost their children. children that had lost their parents. right? people that had been shot themselves. all, in this room, waiting for this historic moment. for nearly 30 years, right, we have been begging the senate and congress to pass meaningful, common-sense laws. >> do you think this is meaningful? >> i do think it was meaningful. >> but more needs to happen? is that kind of where you are? >> exactly. more needs to happen and i tell you what. we saw both democrats and republicans come together on this. the commonality that exists in america is tremendous and i think that sometimes doesn't get seen. >> absolutely. doctor, thank you so much for coming, and explaining your story from your perspective as a trauma surgeon. >> thanks so much for having me, sarah.
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thank you so much for sticking me. i will be back here at 9:00 monday night. "don lemon tonight" starts right now. >> sara sidner, thank you very much. i appreciate that. this is "don lemon tonight" as the lady said. you are looking at protests right now across the country. at least 70 planned, from coast to coast. thousands of americans, taking to the streets in the wake of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade after almost half a century. three conservatives appointed to the court by then-president donald trump, who promised to nominate justices to overturn roe, and now, a fundamental right -- the right to abortion -- is taken away ask and that has been upheld by generations of justices appointed by both republican ask democrats. a right, million


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