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americans, no matter their political leanings, likely will remember decades from now when they heard the decision announced. the headlines that many americans will read online or in their newspapers tomorrow will reflect the seismic shift that has just taken place in america. the main headline for the columbus dispatch reads simply roe overturned. the subheadline says what the u.s. supreme court abortion decision means for ohio. the miami herald, the end of roev. wade means anger, fear, and praise for a landmark ruling. already, a huge impact, more than a quarter of states have so-called trigger laws that ban abortion. those in arkansas, kentucky, louisiana, missouri, oklahoma, alabama, and south dakota banned abortion after the court's decision was announced. within days, utah, wyoming, and mississippi will join them. idaho, tennessee, north dakota have laws that ban abortion after 30 days of the decision. texas is expected to ban abortion sometime after that. and then, there are 12 other
states -- we are going to show you them shaded in purple on a map that the pro-choice gutmacher institute says are certain or likely to ban abortion based on currently in books or transient states but that is just the effect today of the supreme court's 5-4 decision. what happens tomorrow and months and years from this moment? that, we don't know. in fact, many democrats tonight are expressing concern that the decision could provide legal justification to overturn other rights, secured by supreme court precedent. including those covering contraception and same-sex marriage. and they have reason to be concerned after justice clarence thomas suggesting doing just that today as well. this is what justice thomas wrote in a concurring opinion, quote, for that reason? future case, we should reconsider all of this court's substantive due process precedence, including griswold lawrence, and obergefell. he continues because any due process decision is demonstrably erroneous. we have a duty to devote correct
the error established in those precedence. in layman's terms, it means the conservative majority would revisit cases if justice thomas gets his way that affirmed a right to contraception. one that made same-sex activity legal and the third establishing the right of gay couples to marry. it is certainly a lot to take in tonight. we begin with the decision itself, and the reaction outside the court. cnn law enforcement correspondent whitney wild is outside the supreme court building. so what have you been seeing and hearing from people around the court today? >> well, anderson, what is very clear is that people who are out here protesting this opinion are angry but they are not -- they -- they are angry and they are disillusioned but they believe this is not the end. it's said they are going to take this effort, and redirect it to the states. so, this is certainly not the conclusion but instead, anderson, represents a new chapter. however angry they are about that today, have said over and over and over they would continue to fight.
the people here who are elated by this decision actually say the same thing, that they will continue to take their efforts to the states. so, for both sides of this issue, again, this is not a conclusion but, rather, this will redirect efforts all across the country. but let me show you a live look what it looks like just steps from the supreme court. this crowd has grown over the last several hours and there are hundreds and hundreds of people out here, anderson. uh, this entire crowd exception of a very few people -- i mean, we are talking a handful of people -- is all people who are here to protest the opinion that came out of the supreme court today. and from a security standpoint, that is a relief for law enforcement and the reason is because one of the chief concerns when you have a big event like this is that protestors will clash, and that will erupt. instead, that is not the case. this has been extraordinarily peaceful. it is noisy. there is a lot of people here but it very peaceful. we are not aair of any reacts.
multiple law enforcement agencies today have said they have not made any arrests related to this, to people who are reacting to the ruling. however, as night falls and are looking for a reason. looking for a justification to carry out an act of violence. so, capitol police is leaning on their law enforcement partners to grant them security. the metropolitan police department also has their civil servants unit ready to go. so, anderson, that is the security scene here. back to you. >> and have there been people who support the decision, uh, i mean with microphones making speeches just like we are hearing speeches from people who are against this decision? >> sorry, can you repeat the top of your question? i didn't -- i didn't quite hear. it is really loud.
>> have you seen in this time -- you said there have been some people there who were in support of the decision. have they been making speeches with microphones, like we are hearing people now making speeches against the decision? >> they haven't been. once this opinion came out, the -- the group here who was elated by this decision, who was in support of the opinion, didn't stay out much longer after that, anderson. there were people here who were hugging. they were jumping fofor joy. but mostly, they -- they left after about an hour and a half or two hours or so. so, once that group cleared out, there were a lot more people here who are out here protesting this opinion. and -- and the speeches have touched on a range of issues. people are really taking this opportunity to -- to highlight the -- what they believe is the possible slippery slope here to talk about other civil rights issues, and -- and again, take this opportunity to apply what they have seen out of the supreme court to other concerns they have more broadly when we are talking about criminal justice reform issues and civil -- civil rights issues as well anderson.
>> thank you. abortion is right now illegal in several states, including alabama. i am joined now by a doctor in that state who's performed abortions there of the alabama women's wellness center. dr. robinson, i appreciate you being with us tonight. should i now refer to you as a former-abortion provider in bam? alabama? >> well, thank you for having me. um, i still refer to myself as an abortion provider. um, we still have a lot of thinking to do around how i will continue to provide the care that my patients need. but that is very essential to who i am. um, and what matters to me so -- still refer to me as an abortion provider. i refer to myself as an abortion provide. i was talking to a colleague earlier today and i was just saying it is very hard, as an abortion provider, and knowing how much i care about my patients to sit in front of them right now, and i am having to think and think about what it is
that i can do for them because of the state that i am living in and the state that they are in. you know, i know how to provide care. i am a physician but i don't know a lot of the legal, um, ins ask outs. and so, we just have to make sure that we we continue to operate within the law and find how we continue to get patients to care. >> just so i am clear, i mean, as of today, there are -- would be no more abortions being provided, correct, in the state? >> yes, correct. as of this morning, um, we did not get the all clear that we had gotten on previous decision days. so, we knew immediately that we had to cease providing abortion care. um so, unfortunately, in our clinic, we had several patients that had come and we were only to take care of a few of the patients who had showed up to our clinic. i didn't leave this building until very late last night and i know that there was someone in my parking lot at 3:30. and um, one of the things i did was wind the camera back because i wanted to know if that patient
was taken care of in that group of people who were the first people that i provided care for today, um, i'm just hoping that they were. >> so, you -- you had a patient waiting 3:30 in the morning in the parking lot in order to get an abortion before this ruling came down? >> that is correct. we were about to leave the building and i checked the camera as i always do before i walk outside of the building and i could see parking-lot lights in the lot across the parking lot from are my car was parked. and so, i spoke to my husband and let him know, and so he took a look at the camera. first, he started to pick up the phone to call police and then he wound the camera back and says no, i think that is a patient that's here because we have our patients to come to start getting here as early as 7:00 so that as soon as we can open our doors and provide care at 8:00, we can start to see patients. >> what are the options now, if you are a woman in alabama
seeking an abortion? what -- what do you tell your patients? >> well, unfortunately, because we are still, um, trying to look at the law and look at this decision the way it was handed down, we are concerned about some aiding and abetting language. um, that is on the books here. so, i don't know exactly what is okay for me to say. um, but -- um, we're telling patients that they deserve care, that there are people here that really care about them. and that there are numbers that they can call -- um -- and that they shouldn't give up. that they need to call these numbers, and continue to reach out so that they can find the people who can provide care because there are states that, um, are are still providing abortion care unfortunately my state is not one of them. >> i hope this is okay for me to -- to say to you but i can hear the emotion in your voice? i mean, this is obviously a difficult day for you. i mean, this is -- can you just talk about that a little bit?
about what it is you see on a daily basis? the stories you are told by the people who come to you, and why you have that reaction today? >> this has been a horrible day for us here in our clinic. um, not only do i care about my patients but everybody and every member of my staff really cares about our patients. and so, first, we all cried and then we had to gather ourself to decide how we was going to take care of these patients and what we do. um, i was hesitant to take this interview today because i didn't know if i could get through it. but what we did was we divided the patients up. those who we had already started to, um, care for who had already received medication and we felt that it would be malpractice not to d to complete their procedures, we put them into one room. we took the people here for first visits and we had about 15 people who had. >> for first visits and some of them had traveled from as far as texas. we put them into another room. the patients who had signed in
thinking they were having procedures today, who we had not started and that we could not care for, we put them into a separate room and we talked to them all separately to let them know what we could do. so the people whop first visits he told them e we would not approximate able to provide care for them. and we apologized profusely. many of them broke down and cried and we cried with them. you know? some people -- they were not at all surprised. they had already been other places and couldn't get care, and so they thanked us for the information we provided and went on their way. one in particular, she was very thankful. she says we were really nice to her from the first day that she called. um, and she walked out the door with her husband and i knew she would be okay because she had a partner. she had means, and she looked like she would have no problem traveling to the next state and that's what she told me she planned to do. and then the people who were there for -- who thought they were having procedures was the most devastating thing to tell them that, after they had waited
48 hours, that i would not be able to care for them because our doors don't open early enough and we had not started unfortunately. it's just the way it was. >> dr. robinson, i -- i appreciate that you agreed to do the interview because your perspective is important. i appreciate talking to you tonight. thank you. >> all right. thank you. as he mentioned earlier, the political ramifications of this d per apparent before the decision was announced speaking from the pous white house, president biden called it a sad day for the country in his words. he went on to say this fall, roe is on the ballot. i am joined now by our chief white house correspondent, kaitlan collins. kaitlan, talk more about what president biden said. >> well, the white house, anderson, really had been bracing for this decision ever since that draft opinion leaked. so, tally, when the ruling came down today that they were overturning roe versus wade, the white house already had a speech written for president biden and they made a few changes to it and came out and called it a
somber day for the nation, and he said that he believes now women's lives and their health is at risk because of this decision by the supreme court. and as he was talking about it, he really talked about the makeup of the supreme court. the fact that for decades, justices who have been appointed by republican presidents had not challenged this ruling, not overturned it. but of course, he invoked someone he doesn't often invoke by name -- his predecessor. >> it was three justices -- named by one president, donald trump -- who were the core of today's decision to upend the scales of justice and eliminate a fundamental right for women in this country. >> after that, anderson, he vowed to do everything he can. of course, that is limited when it comes to protecting abortion rights. >> yeah. supporters are urging him to take some sort of executive action. what is that -- what would that actually entail? >> well no executive action he takes can restore the right that was taken away this was overturned today, roe versus
wade. but they are encouraging the justice department to prepare legal challenges if states try to go after women who are going out of state if they can't get an abortion and travel across state lines to another one where they can get one. they are also trying to eliminate barriers when it comes to that abortion medication that people get -- can get in the mail. they are taking steps like that, but nothing that is really going to significantly change or move the needle here. so, the white house really is looking to congress. and you heard president biden today urging voters to get out and elect more pro-choice lawmakers, so they could codify roe versus wade into law. but, anderson, i should note that as the president was looking ahead to november, conventional wisdom has shown democrats are expected to lose seats in the midterm election. right now, not gain them. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. perspective from cnn chief legalist and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin and former democratic senator of texas, wendy davis. senator davis, you did, based on the leaked draft, still seeing it officially handed down, what goes through your mind?
>> you know, this morning when the decision came out, anderson, my reaction to it was as a mother and grandmother of two daughters and two granddaughters. it wasn't as a former-elected official or reproductive rights champion. it was understanding, on a very personal level, what this was going to mean for them and what it's going to mean for our granddaughters and daughters across this country in states where abortion will now be illegal. and i know i am not alone. i know that there are women and men who are waking up to the sobering reality of what this is going to mean and the future of our daughters' and granddaughters' lives. their ability to realize their dreams, their able to continue the march for full equality that my generation and generations before started. and it's just a tremendously sobering moment in this country's history, and for all
of us, personally. >> jeff, you have been saying for a long time this would eventually happen. what stood out to you from the decision? >> el well, the breadth of it. you know, there were various ways that the court could have upheld the mississippi law that -- that was at issue in this specific case. but justice alito's opinion, and the -- for the majority, for the five justices whoped to overturn roe v. wade, you know, made clear that all abortions could be banned in any state that chose -- chose to do so. um, and that -- that is -- that is the sort of maximalist position that -- that justice alito took. and even more so, what i was struck by was justice thomas's concurring opinion where he teed up where he thought the court was going after this. as you mentioned earlier. you know, to -- to allow bans on contraceptives. to allow pans on consensual sexual activity. and ultimately, to reverse
the -- um -- permission for -- the -- the guarantee of same-sex marriage. i mean, this is -- um -- the dream come true of the conservatives who have been pushing the court, um, for decades. they have been frustrated and now they have -- they have won an absolutely total victory. >> yeah. senator davis, i mean, justice alito in that leaked opinion had said this -- this wouldn't necessarily relate to other -- uh -- other rights that have been recognized over the last, you know, few decades. justice thomas certainly went right to the heart of that today. >> he did. you know, i will give him credit for being transparent because we all know that's where this is headed. and i think we need to be very thoughtful about how proactive we can be, in both red and blue states, to protect some of those rights at the state level. understanding that that is what
is coming down the pipeline from contraceptive care to ivf treatments to gay marriage. if we are talking about liberty and privacy rights that have been embedded in the constitution, as interpreted by prior supreme courts that have now been completely upended. all of those rights are on the table and we have got to appro be incredibly thoughtful and hardworking to ensure we protect them. >> jeff, i just want to put it on the screen, what -- what justice thomas wrote because there were a lot of conservatives in the wake of ha leaked document saying look, of course, the court is not going to go after gay marriage. it's actually a pretty popular decision. it's not as controversial as abortion. justice thomas said, for that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this court's substantive due process precedence including griswold, laurence, and obergefell. we have a duty to correct the
error established in those precedents. jeff, put that into -- to regular language. i mean, correct the error. he is saying gay marriage is an error. >> right. he is saying overturn those precedents, too. >> the use of contraception? >> griswold versus connecticut, a case from 1964, said the state of connecticut could not ban married couples from buying contraceptives. the justification for that decision by justice ill yam douglas was that there a right to privacy implicit in the constitution. indus justice alito's opinion very specifically says there is nothing in the constitution that mentions the word "abortion." and there is nothing in the constitution that mentions the word "privacy." so, the idea that any -- any law, any decision based on the right to privacy, is -- is in jeopardy. now, it is true that justice alito did have that caveat in -- in the opinion saying, well, this only applies to apportion.
abortion. but you you know, that is not how the law works necessarily. press department builds on precedent based on the implications of the decision and as justice thomas said, with admirable clarity and honesty, this is where the law is going because this is where the logical conclusion of where today's decision sends us. >> senator davis, you hear now from, you know, the president and others well this has to be rectified in the voting booth. when you look at the list of priorities that people vote on, uh, abortion is not at the top of the list. economy is obviously at -- at the top of the list. same thing for, you know, gun safety, gun control. it's not at the top of the list. so, while people may, you know, there are many people protecstig in the streets, do you think this ruling will change that? >> i do, anderson, and -- and here's why. you know, until a right is taken
away -- and let's face it, it is the first time in our country's history that something like this has happened. that a constitutional protection was stripped away. i think so many people just didn't believe it was going to happen, even after the leaked opinion. and now, we are living in that reality. what was striking to me today -- watching these protests around the country and here in austin, where i am -- was the number of young people who came out to the streets today, and it's on their shoulders really to turn out in november in numbers that they have never turned out before. and demonstrate their upset with what's happening, and reclaiming their right to have control over their own bodies. i also want to say something about redistricting. i am sorry, go ahead. >> no go ahead, please. >> i was just going to say, you know, gerrymandering has taught us to believe our votes don't matter because districts are drawn in a way to convince us
that they don't. but we have so many important statewide u.s. senate and gubernatorial races -- my state include with our gubernatorial race and beto o'rourke being the democratic candidate. the gerrymandering can't touch those races, and it is up to us, as democrats, to make sure that independents, moderate-republicans, and democrats come together and express our will at the ballot box, and demonstrate at the statewide level our upset with this decision today and with the lawmakers who have outlawed abortions in our states. >> and, you know, it is not just about red states. you know, when you were talking to dr. robinson, you know, dr. robinson talked about aiding and abetting laws. you know, one of the big issues coming out of today's decision is how much can states regulate or -- or punish people in other states who support women in states where -- are abortion is banned? that -- that is a -- a legal issue that's out there. plus, you know, president biden
is talking about, you know, we need to have a national codification of roe v. wade. if there is a republican congress and republican president, they can pan it in the whole country. >> jeff toobin, wendy davis, appreciate you being on tonight. coming up, more on the nationwide reaction to the divisive supreme court ruling and cori bush joins us from the last remaining abortion clinic where she herself got an abortion after being raped. you t your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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woman except in case of medical emergency, however, the law does not contain exception for rape or incest. cori bush is advocate for abortion rights and when she was 17 years old, she was raped and decided to have an abortion. she joins me now from the steps of planned parenthood, in saint louis, which has been the sole-abortion clinic in her state. congresswoman, appreciate you joining us. what is going through your mind tonight as you stand there in that location? >> you know, um, people being able to see. people in this community seeing that there is still support. you know, people getting the information that they are still able to access services, even all the -- the horrific, you know, news of today, um, coming down from scotus but then also locally here in missouri from the attorney general. um, bwe have opinion telling people, yes, that happened. yes, nine un-elected supreme court justices, yes, the
decision came from them. yes, we have this attorney general who cares so much about life that he was also the unwith fighting against children wearing masks in school because he cares about life so much. um, but we are making sure there are advocates, abortion providers, there are community members, people who are doing the work to make sure that people are still able to access care, even though as of today, in missouri, you are not able to get an abortion. >> ask just be clear, in missouri, if a teenaged girl is raped, impregnated by her father, she has no options for a legal abortion in the state? >> none. none. and so, it makes me think about that -- um, and i spoke about it earlier, that 12-year-old or, you know, that 13-year-old or whatever that -- that is pregnant through incest or some other rape that cannot get services. or that -- or that other person. i remember being 17 and i -- you know, i needed an abortion. i chose oh get an abortion. i made that decision at 17 after
a rape but i was able to go pick up a phone ask make an appointment, and come here to this place, where i stand right now. this place is where i had my -- had that abortion because it was available. the serviceser available. i didn't have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it skand was able to get that -- get that done. and i think about those, um, that have to go through this now, wonder how long do i -- how do i -- how do i get the care that i need? and if they don't get the information that care is still available because we have to make sure that we fix -- we fix this part, too, that everybody in our community knows that there is still care available. but for those that don't get that information, i cannot imagine right now if i had a child standing taller than i, that i raised, that i would look into -- in the face of and know that this was the child of my rapist. um, that should not be forced -- or forced pregnancy should not be happening in this country. it is a crime of -- crime of humanity, as stated and declared by the united nations.
>> how -- according to the cdc, maternal mortality rates for black women in the u.s. were three times the rate for white women in 2020. you are a nurse. you have been outspoken about the treatment you received during your pregnancies with your two children. how concerned are you about just the -- the danger this ruling is for women of color? >> i am having a little bit of difficulty. >> i am just talking about -- given the mortality rates are higher for -- for black women in this country, how concerned are you about this ruling and what it means for -- for black women? >> uh, you know, it -- when we're -- black women already having so many fights right now. black women all -- the fact that we -- the health disparities, as it relates to black women. um, the gaps in, um, in the --
uh -- the -- the -- the way that -- uh -- the way that black women are treated as it relates to healthcare. the way that when it comes to it issue so whether it's black maternal healthcare or just healthcare period, when we look at the racial wealth gap and we can just name a punbunch of iss and there is always this piece where are black women are disproportionately and directly impacted and when we look at right now, um, knowing that the report came out that black women maternal mortality for black women, um, skyrocketed to 33%. 33%. so, that means one in three plaqu black women are at risk simply because roe v. wade was overturned. how do we save them?
it wasn't -- it wasn't by the supreme court and i will continue to say it. it is a far-right extremist, racist, classless, bigot supreme court that is doing the bidding for -- um -- for these gop members that are trying to just out-trump each other. but as they are doing that, as they are doing that,er' doing the work to make sure that black women and brown women, um, and pregnant people are getting what they need. and so, as someone who has experienced that. as someone who knows. as someone who has been there, um, had my own issues as it relates to a domestic abuser, we won't stop fighting. but in order for us to -- with he can't stop fighting. one way that we don't stop fighting is we keep talking about it. we put it in people's faces and make sure people know this disparity exists and this is about saving lives. >> thank you. coming up, protests continue around the country including new york city, when you which you see right there. supreme court also ruled on
another case yesterday having to do with new york state and the right to carry a concealed gun. it, too, expected to of a ripple effect across the country. new york governor kathy hochul joins us next to discuss this and the overturning of roe v. wade. she's in prague between the ideal cup of coffee and a truly impressive synthesizer collection. and you can find her right now (lepsi?) on upwork.com (lepsi.) when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com
happening across the nation. groups like planned parenthood. these protests are expected to last throughout the weekend at least. our own gary tuchman is in washington square park iright now. talk about what you have opinion seeing, comgary. >> anderson, in america's largest city, this is a very large protest. thousands of people marching down the street here in the greenwich village neighborhood of new york city. so far, it's been very peaceful. some obscenities but it has opinion very peaceful. no confrontations. i can tell you what is unique about what we are seeing here is that people are so angry, they are seething. they are infuriated. i have covered so many abortion-related protests over the years, i have lost count of them. but what they have had in common, excuse me, is that roe versus wade has been law of the land and now, at this moment, it no longer is and makes it obviously much different. there are men, women, old, young, senior citizens, children, all kinds of people here from all over the united
states because new york is the melting pot where people come from all over the u.s. and all over the country ask we have seen all ages here. and you see the signs. their body, their choice. why does scotus want us dead? the hardest choice in a woman's life is not yours. fine, a fight. quick question for you. when you -- this morning, when you heard the news, what was your first thought? >> very shocked -- not shocked, actually. we knew this was going to happen but very, very, very disappointed and angry as you can see. >> that is a common word we hear. people are extremely angry. once again, anderson, no confrontation whatsoever even though thousands of people marching down these narrow streets. i can tell you unequivocally, there are anti-abortion act visits who are here but maintaining a very low profile ask staying very quiet. >> gary, appreciate it. thanks very much. new york governor kathy hochul saying quote access to abortion is a fundamental human right it remains safe, accessible, and
legal in new york. as they brace for an influngs of out of state patients. today es ruling is not the only one that impacts new york in a big way. yesterday, supreme court struck down new york's handgun law. the law placed restrictions on care are iing a concealed gun outside the home. it is the widest expansion of gun rights in a decade. joining me now, governor of new york kathy hochul. first of all, on abortion, you first of all weren't obviously surprised by this ruling. what does it mean for the people in new york? >> i am the first om governor in the state of new york. we had abortion legal in our state since 1970 so this is deeply personal to all of us as the keepers of the flame. you know, we -- we support this right. we cherish this right and we feel for our sisters across this country, who no longer have access to control over their own bodies. in fact, approbe subject to government-mandated pregnancies. here in new york we took action already.
we gave $35 million to existing providers so they can be prepared for the influx of women coming from other states. we also -- i signed a package of laws just last week to ensure they have immunity for abortion providers in this state so they are not subject to lawsuits from states where they have personal rights of action to go after people who secure an abortion or the provider. so -- so we have done what we can here to become a safe harbor for women across this country. but to us, personally, this is devastating. this is a blow to all women. but my view is you stand up and you fight back. how do you fight back? we can complain. we will march. i love what is going on, the energy. i want to take that energy, especially from all those young people, and put it into the races we have for governor across this country. >> the reality is this is not an issue that is front and center on people's minds when they go into the voting booth. i mean, you look at all the polls -- maybe it will be now, after this. but when you look at all the polls, it's -- it's you know, the economy is the number one issue. even things like gun control, abortion are further down on the
list. >> that is because we always had the right to abortion. >> you think this may change that? >> the world has changed forever. the fight my mother's generation fought, my generation, my daughter's generation in her 30s, people always talked well it could go away someday. no one really believed it. >> were you surprised to hear justice thomas write el with now it is time to relook at contraception, time to look at gay relationships, at -- at marriage for gay people? >> that was the most incredible overreach i have ever seen. and this will go down in history as one of the most reactionary supreme courts that our nation has ever encountered and i heard the news as i was about to go into the groundbreaking for a visitor center at stonewall this morning in here in new york city. so i talked about that, that something like gay marriage is now under assault, as well. as well as the assault on women's rights so, no, this is -- this is a -- i hate to say it is a double whammy, it is even beyond that. >> i have to ask about the gun rule. that was obviously not -- that was more severe probably than --
than what you expected. what does this mean for new york? >> well right now, my team of legal advisers and we have experts all over the country are putting together legislation on calling back our legislature, that is not expected to return until january. they will be in session next week. i am going to present to them a package of bills, work it out with them to make sure we strengthen our laws because what is going to happen here is that the law enforcement will not be able to distinguish between someone who has evidence of a weapon in their pocket because they are going to commit a crime or someone who is lawfully carrying that. so we are going to make sure that he deal with something called sensitive places. we can respect concealed carry, keep it away from sensitive places. >> what are sensitive places? >> that is a great question. we are working on that right now. putting the list of gatherings of over 100 people, popular parks, religious -- places of religious worship and even when comes to businesses, what i want to to and we are going to talk about with this, tell opinions they have the right to say no
concealed carry can come in. the presumption will be that unless you invite someone in with a concealed weapon, the presumption in our state we get this passed, the presumption would be you do not want someone so that will protect businessowners because i cannot imagine a bar, restaurant, establishment here in new york city that is going to have -- feel comfortable inviting people in who are carrying guns. so this is, again, another travestiment we are prepared. we take action. he with fight pack and we do it two places. one, legislatively with the pen. i will be signing legislation next week. sels at the ballot box and i want this energy mobilized to make sure that the 36 races for governor that are up this year, we can turn this around, state by state, if people -- the energy that is out there right now gets harnessed, mobilized, raise the money, support candidates that are pro-choice. >> governor hochul, i appreciate your time tonight. up next, some of the other major headlines we are following this evening as he he with wait for the house to reconvene for
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footage from an upcoming documentary features interviews with the president and his children. according to january 6th congressman bennie thompson, some will be in future presentations. he spoke with the president once before the capitol insurrection, twice after. here is one of the clips from that documentary. >> they saw it because people showed up to their rallies. that meant they were popular. the idea that other people might be sitting at home feeling differently about it seems not to have occurred to them. they genuinely thought that must be true. >> we won georgia, we won michigan, he with won approximate pennsylvania, we won 'em all. >> as the president has said, every single vote needs to be counted and needs to be heard. and he campaigned for the voiceless. >> it is interesting to see ivanka trump say that her father wanted every vote to be counted. because trump's mission in the days after the election was to stop the counting of votes.
>> the reality is people in this country were gett multiple ballots in the mail. there are thousands and thousands of people voting in multiple states. >> there is no evidence, whatsoever, that the voter fraud they are claiming. >> but after weeks of trying to and everything else, >> thanks for being with us. there's been >> is that accurate? who was backing the film?
>> in terms of my introduction to the family? >> yes, how did you get access to the president of the united states because there's reporting that they believed the people in trump world believe that this was going to be a puff piece. how did you get access? >> well, it's certainly knot a puff piece. i got access meeting jason who introduced me to the family. at the end of the day i told them i wanted to make a film about who they are as people, and this coincided from the election campaign. we started in september 2020. the obvious thrust of what we were going to do was to, you know, showcase the election and never did any of us, or never did i think the end result would be what it was. >> was greenblattan investor or the trump family investors? i know you said they didn't have editorial control? >> no editorial or financial control by anybody connected to the trumps be it friends,
families, advisors, whatsoever. the financing of this project didn't even have a single american involved. reporting. >> certainly in the sound that was just played she seems, you know, robotically supportive of the president's, you know, doing exactly what he did, which was lying about the election and pretending that it was, you know, making sure that every vote counted. >> i mean, i certainly see a discrepancy between what ivanka said to me and what she said to the committee. as to whether there's anything material with respect to that, that would be up for others to determine. >> sherman thompson said today essentially they're not really looking at any indiscrepancies in what ivanka trump may have said. to you what is the -- and obviously nobody has seen the finished product of your film which is going to bow on
discovery plus, which is the parent company of cnn. but to you what is the take away from the material you have. >> i think the take away is a fascinating unique insight, portrait into one of the most controversial complex families in america and perhaps even the world as well as sort of the most fascinating story of the most consequential election in probably american history. >> i heard you say to don lemon i think it was last night after interviewing the former president he believes the election was stolen. can you elaborate how you came to that conclusion? >> sure. the president believes the election was stolen, meaning that he is completely delusional. he's not trying to -- there isn't sort of a lie here. he genuinely believes the election and still does --
>> how can you say that? >> after having spent the time i spent with him to me it seemed that he is absolutely convinced that he won, and i think based on his character. >> with all due respect you interviewed the guy, what, three times. >> sure. >> that's hardly enough to get into his head. >> i totally accept that, but i think he's still to this day is of the opinion the election is stolen. but i'll give you an example. congress attempted to have the vice president invoke the 25th amendment to remove the president from office. they felt he was incapacitated but we know the president could walk and move his limbs. so clearly he was incapacitated mentally. ie, congress felt he was unable to perform his duties as president because he maintained a position that was clearly incompatible with reality. so i think it's a pretty fair position to have.
do you agree? >> it's too long of a discussion. i don't really agree with your logic, but i think he's lying. and i think he's somebody who believes in a lot -- he holds onto a lie and she's shown a willingness to lie and stick with a lie. he says he has a painting in his apartment that's a fake but he claims it's a real one. he lies about inconsequential things that are meaningless. >> i think he lives in an alternate universe. i don't think he lives in the same universe we do. unprecedented the three part du docu series going to be released this summer.
people making a difference. dr. sanjay gupta sat down with sean penn. >> do you think of your work as heroic? >> i have gotten to have a front row seat to what heroism is. when i was walking back over the border after the trip during the invasion into poland and almost every car that was lined up and almost every adult person was a woman with one or multiple children who had no interest in leaving their husbands who both by choice and also by mandate had to stay in the country from 18 to 60. you know, what's a hero? if your eyes are