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roe versus wade decision. >> before anti-abortion activists, it's a victory that's been decades in the making, but for supporters of abortion rights, it is a devastating setback. at the white house, president joe biden lashed out at the court's decision. >> it's a sad day for the court and for the country. now with roe gone, let's be very clear, the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk. it was three justices named by one president, donald trump, who are the core of today's decision to upend the scales of justice and eliminate a fundamental right for women in this country. >> so top democrats also blasted the bill, including senator elizabeth warren and vice president kamala harris. >> for nearly 50 years we have talked about what roe v. wade
protects. today, as of right now, as of this minute, we can only talk about what roe v. wade protected. past tense. >> roe is dead, but the supreme court extremists do not get the last word. we are here because we will make roe alive again. >> many republican lawmakers applauded the court's decision, calling it a victory. >> today's ruling is an answer to prayers and a shining beacon of hope for the american people. we are here because of nearly five decades, our strong pro life advocates never waivers in their commitment for life. >> now the case at the center of the supreme court decision overturning roe versus wade came
out of mississippi. mississippi is one of 13 states with so-called trigger laws. in some of those states, abortion bans went into effect as soon as the supreme court issued its ruling. >> let's take you to jackson, mississippi, and cnn national correspondent nadia ra marrow is there for us. give us a sense how this is playing out where there was tension this morning? >> reporter: yeah, boris, bright and early, about 4:00 a.m. local time. these guys came out. they have the right to protest and speak their minds about their thoughts over the overturning of roe v. wade but they came out very hostile, intimidating. the police were called out because of their actions. and unfortunately you can't hear their side of it because they've decided to be violent and be threatening and intimidating. and that's unfortunate because both sides of this roe v. wade overturning the supreme court ruling should be heard and have the right to be heard in the u.s. and that's unfortunately not
what's happening here because it has turned so confrontational. what's happening right now behind me is that this is the pink house, this is the last standing abortion clinic in the state of mississippi. on the other side of the building, that's where patients are starting to arrive. so we've moved over here to be able to give them that privacy for their health care. unfortunately they are being bombarded with people as they come in who the organizers call religious extremists or religious terrorists. i want you to listen from one of the organizers here, one of the leaders of this abortion clinic talk about what happens next. >> funding all over the country, so we know how to put her in touch with those individuals and figure out which is the closest clinic. they'll be willing or able to afford a plane ticket. if they can hop a plane and get into baltimore, maryland, or wherever, chicago, illinois,
then that -- wherever is the easiest to get her in, because her needs have to come first. >> reporter: unfortunately mississippi is surrounded by other states that have trigger laws. so if there is someone who wants to have an abortion, they have to go several hours away. but fortunately that's what we're hearing from people who support this law. they believe this is the right thing that women should not be allowed to have an abortion, even if it's rape or incest, they are enthusiastic about this new ruling. they say they've been waiting for decades and it is finally here. boris? >> nadia, from mississippi where we hear demonstrators behind you with a megaphone, likely a lot of demonstrations throughout the country today. thank you, nadia. legal experts say the supreme court's conservative block has been chomping at the bit to overturn roe versus wade and this ruling will have far-reaching consequences. >> i spoke to former federal prosecutor, he called the court's reasoning weak saying it ignores how the majority of the
country feels about reproductive rights and suggested this ruling alongside justice thomas's concurrence will lead to more attacks on american's privacy rights. >> alito has to reach back literally into the 17th century for a lot of his support. in jurist matthew hail supported women being executed for witchcraft, supported the idea that women could not possibly be raped if it was their husband who was the rapist. that's the sort of historical precedent that alito reached back to for this. and what that means is it's obviously ignoring the fact that modern america in the 21st century is in the majority supporting abortion rights. but alito wants to lead us backwards in time towards that older kind of misogynistic era. that's what's happened in this opinion. a lot of legal analysts and scholars had speculated that
overturning roe would indeed endanger many other rights of privacy because those started with griswald and thomas is being quite blatant about it. >> no matter where you fall on this issue, there's no question that overturning roe versus wade stands to have a disproportionate impact on women of color. to focus on that aspect of this dec decision, we have an expert, akey la johnson is with us. she reported extensively on this dynamic. thank you so much for being with us this morning. we appreciate your time. help our viewers understand what is at stake for black women with this decision. >> thanks for having me. well, you know, this country is the middle of an -- an increasing maternal mortality crisis. and so, for women who were 15 to 44 of childbearing age, pregnancy-related death is one of the -- pregnancy and childbirth is one of the leading causes of death. for black women, they're three times more likely to die a
pregnancy related death than white women. for native american women they're more than twice as likely to die. just in terms of childbirth, we are in an ever growing, increasing crisis. then when you look at who is accessing abortion services, black women are more likely to access abortion services and, you know, one of the things that folks have really been pointing out to me since the decision -- the supreme court decision came in yesterday has been that more than half of the population lives in the south or lives in states where you really are going to have these restrictive abortion bans on the books. >> i want to take a second to recognize i'm in awe of your ability to concentrate with some of the decorative issues that you had going on behind you. your ability to answer that question well. help us understand some of the messaging on the political right that you have focussed on that black women are victims of a
predatory abortion industry. >> well, you know, a lot of this stems down and comes down to agency, right? and so if you think about centuries -- centuries of history in our country, and where black women and the agency that black women have had over their bodies, going back to the 1800s when it comes to, you know, black women, enslaved black women who were subjected to torcherous experiments to further gynecological sciences to force sterilization in the 70s and '60s. you know, that is all part of what has created divergent views in the black community when it comes to abortion rights and abortion access. so this bodily autonomous for some folks the reversus of roe is an extension of the lack of bodily autonomy. other folks, roe was seen as an
extension of some of those earlier moments of -- where women didn't have control of over their body and exploitation of black women's reproductive health. >> what could potentially be a solution to fix that disparity or to at least allow for those disparities to be alleviated in the black community specifically? >> well, i mean, you know, when it comes to maternal health, maternal, you know, the maternal mortality crisis, there's a lot of conversation that's been happening about that on the federal level, at state levels, activists have been really pushing to do more than just bring awareness to the issue, but bring action to it. so there have been conversations about, you know, extending post partum medicaid up to 12 months because a lot of maternal mortality happens post childbirth, after a woman has
given birth. so those are some of the things that have been done, but also like you heard from the folks down in mississippi, folks have been planning for this decision to come. and so there are networks that are being formed in terms of how to get women the healthcare access that they need because this, you know, this is a healthcare issue for a lot of folks. not religious issue, not a moral issue but about health and the health of women. >> thank you so much for taking the time today. we appreciate your perspective. >> thank you for having me. >> of course. so later this hour, president biden is expected to sign the first piece of federal legislation tackling gun control in nearly three decades. the bipartisan bill includes 750 million dollars for crisis intervention programs that expands background checks for people between 18 and 21. it closes that boyfriend loophole and it requires more gun sellers to register as
federally hinesed firearm dealers. now we'll bring that event to you live when it happens. again, that is expected a little later this hour. here is a question, why did these six republican lawmakers request presidential pardons after the insurrection? and what could we expect from this next round of public hearings? >> also, president biden leaving for the g7 summit in germany this morning. the question is, will the world leaders agree to take any new actions against russian president vladimir putin in his war in ukraine? that's coming up. stay close. ♪ thanks, gary. and for unexpected heartburn... frank is a fan of pepcid. it works in minutes. nexium 24 hour and prilosec otc can take one to four days to fulllly work. pepcid. strong relief for fans of fast. lemons. lemons, lemons, lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you bece an expedia member, you can instantly startsavi. so youan go and see all those, lovely,
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latest public hearings from the january 6th committee we heard from three high-ranking department of justice officials who shed new light on former president trump's attempts to weaponize the department of justice to overturn the 2020 election. >> also new details on trump's intense efts to get former justice official jeffrey clark who played a central role in pushing the trump election fraud claims installed as acting attorney general. so i want to talk about this with former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, michael moore is with us. michael, always good to have you here. >> glad to be with you. >> in person. >> glad to be back. >> it's a monumental moment for us at this point. >> good to see you, michael. >> i want to talk to you about this testimony from three top doj officials. these are all presidential -- president trump appointees, i should point out. talk to us about the personal indictment of trump that we seem to be seeing here and how much does that personal indictment matter? >> you know, the committee has done a good job in sort of
tracing back the direction that was going on about some of the january 6th movements and the challenges to the election. there was legitimate way to challenge the election but the former president pushed it another way. once he lost in court, then he decided to move in another direction that is pressuring people who are in the department. i applaud the men who were in the room there because they really did follow through on their oath. the department needs to be separate. it needs to be able to make independent decisions without the pressure from a president. you're not going to get a lot of tears from me about people doing their job, though, either. i think we have done a canonization of people who now we say, they stood up to the pressure, that's what they're supposed to do. and you know, really a lot of the sort of acquiescence over the proceeding four years and the nonsense whether it was the lying about the crowd size, lying about the accusers, the talk that he did, the repeated, repeated lies.
i don't know why we're surprised that he tried to push a lie about the election. you know? and you can't sort of create and feed the monster and then complain on the other side when it scares you a little bit or attacks you. so they did a good thing. they did the right move to keep the department's independence in place. i do applaud that. and i think this is -- this really will go at the end of the day into sort of -- the pressure itself may not ultimately be the criminal charge they can move forward on, i think it tells a story about who was controlling and pulling some of the strings. >> michmichael, i wanted to getr perspective somebody is liking this closely, the d.a. from fulton county, fani willis. she has a case she is building. how has this what we have seen over the last few weeks bolster the work she's doing? >> i think any time a prosecutor can get information it's good. she's happy to hear what she can from the january 6th committee and like wise they'll be glad to hear i'm sure at the end of the day what she finds out from a
special grand jury, but her case is unique in that we're talking about georgia law, georgia statutes. and she's got a pretty clear case if she wants to try to move forward on an attempt to influence an election or election fraud and also the pressure against raffensperger. the question will be at the end of the day can she use the tape, do we have the issue of the consent and the recording and that type of thing. she's getting testimony i'm sure on what the circumstances were. if she hears it, it probably validates some of the thoughts there may be a larger group of people in play that were trying to do some nefarious acts to overturn the election. >> so the special purpose grand jury here in georgia heard from at least four witnesses who testified regarding rudy ju giu giuliani. what do you portend is in the future for him? >> you know, not only is he going to have bar license issues as we well know, but he may face
some charges about presenting false information or false documents or being behind that. we know about the false elector scheme and if they link him to anything there, that -- i wouldn't be surprised. it is a little bit unique, though, because in the position as attorney and whether or not he's advocating for a client, it may be like a masterful stroke of camouflage that you hide behind i was doing this on behalf of a client, i was putting the best case forward. you hear this everyday in courtrooms, right? they may have a ridiculous defense to a case but they have a right to advocate for it. that will be the question. was it criminal? was it being a zealous advocate? was it trying to commit some fraud on the state of georgia? and i think if they link him to some direction to do some fraudulent act, then sort of the cloak that he may otherwise be shielded with because he's a lawyer, i think that goes away. >> interesting. >> michael so the committee originally planned to do seven hearings. now looks like they may add more. we know that the focus of at
least two of them, they want to look at the role that extremist organizations played on january 6th and former president trump's response when all the violence was unfolding what he said to people around him and his response. i'm wondering what else you think they need to focus on to make the case to the american people that this is something to pay attention to? >> i think some of the best evidence they have gotten has been from his inside circle about what he is saying and what he was doing. and i say that because i don't ever want us to get into a situation where we're prosecuting people just because of something they tweet, you know. that's a little scary to me we talk about the first amendment and other things. and you don't ever really -- you're not able to remove him from his role as a candidate at the time, even though he was acting as the president, too. so, i think when they're talking to people who are inside the white house, they're hearing sort of what he was saying and what strings he was pulling, the mass nations he had in place to perpetuate the big lie, i think that tells a deeper story and maybe that's going to be the
more interesting part. remember, a lot of this is political and should have been handled when we talked about impeachment. had it been we might not be at this place. the senate did not decide to move in that direction. and so, you know, here we are now trying to say are we going to take some of this conduct we might otherwise call political and move it over to the criminal side. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about jeffrey clark. we know federal agents raided his home this week. when you look at that aspect of this, what charges do you think he could be facing and what's the consequence? >> you know, i thought the idea that he had crafted this letter that was to essentially legitimize the claims of voting irregularities and information of georgia may be the ultimate undoing of him. it's telling to me when you see a president who just wants to put somebody in place who otout their position at the department of justice. here mr. clark basically wants to send a bogus letter to the state of georgia saying that the
department is doing something. that's so against the history and the tradition of the department. you don't talk about investigations. you don't leak things out and certainly don't do things to influence the political or elective process. so, you know, it may, in fact, be the letter that will cause him the greatest problem. and whether or not they decide that's some kind of false writing, whether or not they decide he abused his position in some way, violated his oath. but the idea that they were able to get a search warrant and go into his house, that means that some judge somewhere found some probable cause that something was afoot. and if that's the case, then he may very well have some bigger problems. >> in other words, they don't just hand those like candy. >> it's tough to get judges sometimes especially on lawyers and especially lawyers high ranking with the department at the time, if you have a judge to sign off on a search warrant there, they had to put forth some evidence they found something. >> they got something. all right. good point. good point. michael moore, so good to have you here with us. >> glad to be back. really am. >> thank you. we'll see you soon. >> thanks.
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♪ well, in just a few moments president biden is expected to sign this historic bipartisan gun safety bill. >> 15 senate republicans joined democrats to pass this sweeping legislation. and this is historic because once it's signed it will be the first set of gun reform laws passed by congress and signed off on by a president in nearly three decades. let's take you to the white house and cnn correspondent arlette saenz is there for us. walk us through the significance of this moment for president biden. >> reporter: yeah, boris. president biden is about to celebrate what has become a rarity in washington and that is bipartisan action on the issues of guns. yesterday congress passing that bill exactly one month to the day of that horrific massacre that occurred in uvalde, texas, that took the lives of 19 young children and 2 teachers. the president will sign this bill close to 30 years after the
1994 ban on the assault weapons, something that biden himself worked towards as a senator. now the congress put together this package that will enact some new measures that includes enhanced background checks on gun purchases for those under the age of 21. it also closes the so-called boyfriend loophole that ensures that those who have committed acts of domestic violence against nonspouses cannot purchase guns. additionally provides funding for states to implement red flag laws as well as other prevention programs and includes funding for mental health and school safety. but still, even as they are making some progress when it comes to gun reform, this measure falls far short of what president biden and many democrats hoped to see. one of the things the president really pushed for in addition to an assault weapons ban was that if that could not pass, they raise the age for purchasing such type of weapons from 18 to 21. that is something that simply did not have the votes up on
capitol hill. but still, the white house has said that they welcome any type of progress on this issue. now, president biden himself largely stayed out of these negotiations. he was in close contact with one of the lead democratic senate negotiators, senate chris murphy, but the white house and members of congress felt that they needed the space to try to negotiate amongst themselves to get this passed. that is part of how they were able to get those 15 republican senators and 14 republicans in the house to sign on to this measure. but, right now the white house had really just been looking for some type of action to address this issue of gun violence in the country. i was in uvalde, texas, when president biden traveled there just a few weeks ago. and the frustration in the community was palpable. as the president went from event to event, you had onlookers there shouting to him, do something. and that is simply what congress has now done and the president will be touting that as he signs
the bill in the roosevelt room in just a few moments. >> we do have that live image of the roosevelt room where president biden is expected at any moment to sign this historic bipartisan gun safety package. we want to pivot quickly as we await president biden's entrance and take you to capitol hill. daniela diaz is live for us. this is a rare moment of bipartisanship. it is a surprise to many that lawmakers managed to get this passed. >> that's right, boris. the first gun safety legislation that passed in congress in nearly 30 years. huge, huge moment this week as the senate was able to pass that package and receive, have 60 votes to break that filibuster to advance that legislation for final passage. remember, you need at least 60 votes to break the filibuster, 50 democrats and 10 republicans would have needed to sign on to pass that bill.
that's exactly what happened as this bipartisan group spent the last couple weeks negotiating on this legislation in the wake of horrific uvalde shooting where after that shooting senate minority leader mitch mcconnell gave his blessing to john cornyn of texas to negotiate with democrats. what's in the bill? millions of dollars for mental health, school safety, crisis intervention programs and for states to include juvenile records in the national instant criminal background check system. it also makes significant changes to the process when someone ages 18 to 21 goes to buy a firearm and it also closes that so-called boyfriend loophole, major win for democrats in these negotiations. however, as noted, it falls short of what democrats and many activists wanted to see in gun safety legislation, of course. assault weapons ban, raising that age from 18 to 21 to purchase a firearm -- an assault weapon, but of course, incremental change was okay. that is what they wanted.
senate majority leader chuck schumer repeated that again and again. take a listen to what a republican senator who supported this legislation said on the senate floor a few days ago praising this very, very -- excuse me, we don't have the sound. but i do want to say we did see a lot of bipartisanship between the democrats and republicans. 15 republican senators voted with the democrats in the senate. and 14 house republicans voted against leadership to support that legislation. those including adam kinzinger and liz cheney who voted with democrats to support that legislation yesterday. so huge, huge news out of capitol hill with this very bipartisan bill. and we will see president joe biden sign that bill in moments. >> daniela diaz, thank you so much. yes, we believe he's coming out in just a couple moments here. i want to bring in former u.s. attorney michael moore real quickly. also joining us managing eder to
for axios margaretal lob watching with us this historic moment. michael, the assaults weapon ban is so hard to find common ground on. why is that, do you think, at this point, especially when you're talking about what we all witnessed in uvalde? >> i think it's just influence of money and lobbying in washington. and the idea that somehow we've taken common sense gun reform and gun safety legislation and turned that into the pariah and made this argument we hear it that somehow this is going to erode the second amendment. so, this is a great move forward. it's good to see some action. people have been hungry for it for a long time. it may not be a five course meal, but sometimes you'll make do with a ham sandwich to get you through to the next thing. i think that's really where we're at. >> michael, i think you finished your thought there. appreciate that. great timing. president biden is walking to the microphone right. let's listen in. >> yesterday i spoke about the supreme court's shocking decision striking down roe v. wade. we have had a lot of distugs
about that in our household. any way -- jill and i know how painful and devastating decision is for so many americans. and i mean so many americans. decision is implemented by states. my administration will focus on how they administer it and whether or not they violate other laws, like deciding to not allow people to cross state lines to get public health services. and we're going to take actions to protect women's rights and reproductive health. this morning, though, i'm here, we're here, on a critical issue, gun violence. you know, i'm about to sign into law bipartisan safety -- gun safety legislation and time is of the essence. lives will be saved. when we return from europe, jill and i will host an event july 11st to mark this historic achievement with members who voted for these families and the families who, in fact, were victimized by the gun shooting
that we have seen. so incredible to see so much of late. and advocates have worked really hard to do something about it. i'm been at this work for a long, long time. i know how hard it is. and i know what it takes to get it done. i was there 30 years ago, the last time this nation passed meaningful gun safety laws. and i'm here today for the most significant law to be passed since then, the last 30 years. i would like to thank the leaders and members of the house and senate for working together to get this done. i especially want to thank the families. jill and i many of whom we sat with for hours on end across the country. so many we have gotten to know who lost their souls to an epidemic of gun violence. they lost their child, their husband, their wife. nothing is going to fill that void in their hearts. but they led the way. so other families will not have the experience and the pain and trauma that they had to live
through. from cull um bien to sandy hook to charleston, orlando, las vegas, parkland, el paso, atlanta, buffalo, uvalde and the shootings that happened everyday on the streets that are mass shootings that we don't hear about, the number of people killed everyday in the streets. their message to us was do something. i don't know how many times we heard that. just do something. for god sake, just do something. well, today we did. while this bill doesn't do everything i want, it does include actions i have long called for that are going to save lives. it funds crisis intervention including red flag laws. it keeps guns out of the hands of people who are a danger to themselves and to others. and it finally closes what is known as the boyfriend loophole, so if you assault your boyfriend or girlfriend, you can't buy a gun or own a gun. it requires young people, age 18 to 21 to undergo enhanced
background checks. and includes the first-ever federal law that makes gun trafficking and straw purchases distinct federal crimes, for the first time. it clarifying who needs to register as a federally licensed gun dealer. and run background checks before selling a single weapon. you know, this is also provides historic funding to address youth mental health crisis in this country, especially, especially trauma experienced by the survivors of this gun violence. look, you know, invests in anti-violence programs that work, that work directly with the people who are most likely to commit these crimes and become victims of gun crimes. today we say more than enough. we say more than enough. it's time when it seems impossible to get anything done in washington, we are doing something consequential. we can reach compromise on guns. we ought to be able to reach
compromise in other critical issues like veteran's health care to cutting edge innovation and so much more. i know there's much more work to do. and i'm never going to give up. but this is a monumental day. god bless us with the strength to continue to work to get the work that's left undone done and the lives lost that can't be saved that are obviously gone. but we'll be inspiration for us to do more. i'm not going to sign this bill into law. i'm now going to sign this bill into law. god willing this is going to
save a lot of lives. thank you all so very much. >> mr. president, will you take questions? >> i have a helicopter waiting for me to take off. we'll have plenty of time to talk about a lot of this. >> do you think the supreme court is broken in your view? >> i think the supreme court has made some terrible decisions. >> will you reconsider your opinions on expanding the court, sir? >> we just watched president biden sign an historic piece of gun reform into law. the president only taking one question on the supreme court as he departs for the g7 in germany. president biden saying it is a monumental day, referencing the lives that have been lost in uvalde and buffalo and a series of other massacres. the president alluding to the fact that there is log jam in congress in saying that despite so many years of difficulty to pass any kind of bipartisan legislation we got something done. >> uh-huh. for the first time in 30 years.
>> right. >> which is key. there are people that are watching this and i'm wondering, i'm wondering if people in uvalde are watching this this morning and what this means to them specifically, managing editor for axios margaret alan is with us. >> good morning, christi. the president said the public's message to politicians was do something. just do something. and that they had done that. i think that pretty aptly describes this year. it is the most important legislation in nearly three decades, yet it doesn't actually ban any weapons or do most of the things that gun control advocates have asked for. those enhanced background checks for children 18 to 21 are important and closing that domestic abuser loophole are important steps. there are two problems going on in america, one is that congress can't get anything done. the other is gun violence is a huge problem.
and this legislation certainly addresses the first issue and takes small steps to begin addressing the second issue. but, as you both know, the supreme court earlier this week had a 6-3 ruling that struck down new york's law on conceal carry permits. and that decision may actually have had a bigger impact on dialing back what gun safety advocates have been seeking than this does in terms of a victory. so i think it is -- the supreme court has overshadowed this legislation not just in terms of yesterday's decision on roe, but in terms of decision earlier this week that sets a new standard, a new precedent for interpretation of gun laws. >> margaret, i want to stay with you because recently mitch mcconnell was very candid about the reason that republicans came to the table, the reason he gave his blessing to senator john cornyn of texas to have these
deliberations about sweeping gun safety legislation, and he specifically mentioned suburban voters. so what do you think is his calculus for bringing republicans to the table on this issue? >> wide majorities of americans across -- it's not just what people in cities who are democrats want. wide majorities of americans, including independents and some republicans want more gun safety legislation. the devil is certainly in the details and the question is what. but there are two considerations. number one, suburban women in particular are demanding this and republicans don't want to lose votes. number two, republicans want to be talking about inflation. and the economy and every minute they're talking about gun safety is a minute they're not talking about inflation and the economy. and so, the passage of this legislation -- and it is important legislation. it is a big deal.
but it is certainly much smaller than what some advocates have been set out to do and have been pushing for, but this does now take this issue at least for now off the table, allow the conversation to return politically to ground where republicans are much more comfortable. and john cornyn, the asesenate appointment has taken a tremendous amount of political flak inside his own party and may very much have tested his future quest for leadership for having held the line on this issue. >> michael, this is a big win for the president for one thing. i want to -- one of the things that margaret said is very notable that this is a win for now. >> right. >> specially. we see this before. past legislation, it will get backed up again. how lasting do you believe this could be? >> i think any movement on gun safety is a good movement. and i think that it's a step and we may be getting to the end of
the race in small steps as opposed to big strides here. i also think politically it was a smart move for them to take it off the table. and i think that's really what you're seeing. that may be sort of this little moment of bipartisanship at a time when really you can't vote that the sun comes up in the east anymore. so, i hope it will be lasting. i worry about how the states are going to enforce it. when you're having states all over the country now say people can carry a gun anywhere and do anything except notably around where these legislatures work, but everybody else can -- has free access and free reign without much there then the question will be what does it mean? it's always good to have the funding come in, good to have mental health programs and certainly good to have teaching and glad we closed the boyfriend loophole. good moves forward. we'll see how it's enforced throughout the states. >> michael moore, we appreciate you being here. margaret talev, you as well. we always are grateful for your
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>> always good to have you with us. let's talk first about ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. he's expected to address the leaders virtually i understand in his attempt to re-enforce some of this western support. i know that at this point the g7 is probably more united than it has ever been based on what's happening in ukraine. what is the potential you think that they will -- these leaders will make some lasting decisions regarding ukraine and russia? >> well, they're probably going to ratchet up the tension a little bit more. each one of these meetings is another chance to turn the pressure up on russia
economically, militarily. but it's also a chance to discuss behind closed doors the pressure that each of these leaders is facing domestically because of rising fuel costs, because of rising food costs because russia is at this point blockading ukrainian wheat from leaving the country, which is really consequential when it comes to the world food supply. so, yes, it's a chance to show unity and send a message both to moscow and to china, but it's also -- well, time to discuss, all right, what can we do and how long can we keep doing it? >> kim, that is significant in part because ukrainian forces have moved out of portions of the eastern part of the country where russia has made significant gains, specifically in donbas. is the west doing enough to stop russia from taking more territory? >> i did just come through kyiv a couple of weeks back and the ukrainian officials i spoke to then that i keep in touch with
now say it feels like the west, the white house, are always running a month to six weeks behind what they are experiencing on the ground. they are happy that heavy artillery is starting to arrive, but from their perspective, they're still firing only a tenth of what russia is lobbing at them everyday. they're losing between 100 to 200 troops a day who are being killed, more than that, being injured and they can't sustain those casualties. they really want the west to understand this is urgent. they need more and they need it faster. i think that's what you're going to hear from president zelenskyy. >> but what can he say that would make a difference and really what could -- between all the sanctions and everything we've seen thus far, what else could anybody do? >> the numbers the ukrainians are see on the ground are stark. what i have been finding is ukrainian officials will tell me in private how bad things are but they'll try to keep it to
themselves because they don't want the public in their own country and in the wider world to lose confidence in their fighting efforts. however when zelenskyy decides we need help and they need to understand how bad it is, that is when he usually decides to declassify and say it in a speech. stay tuned. we might be hearing some really grim news from him during his g7 address. >> kim, do you anticipate that at any point during the g7 there will be a discussion about what other countries can do to put more pressure on russia, specifically saudi arabia, golf countries, india, china? >> discussions but this is also a horse trading event because those gulf countries, some of them -- saudi arabia, yes, is going to get a visit from president biden, but they felt slighted by him. so in all cases when all these leaders get together, it's a
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the supreme court? i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. that descripter of our scotus wasn't meant as a compliment. it was one of countless derisive comments i read online yesterday in the immediate aftermath of the overturning of roe versus wade. turns out the leaked alito draft, it wasn't a head fake afterall. depending on how you look at it by either 6-3 or 5-4 decision, the court overturned nearly 50-year precedent. the response was swift. it was predictable. it was contradictory. many were celebratory. others took to the streets in protests. perhaps the clearest cut depiction of our political divide
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