. good morning on this saturday, june 25th. we are so grateful to have you here. i'm christi paul. look who's in town. >> atlanta. great to be with you here in person. >> i'm happy to host you any time. >> i'm boris sanchez. you're live in "the cnn newsroom." demonstrators have taken to the streets following the supreme court decision to end the constitutional right to abortion, a moment that antiabortion activists have described as a victory decades in the making. >> we saw major protests in cities around the country. yesterday in phoenix, arizona, demonstrations got rowdy, people there banging on the glass doors of the state senate building.

troopers used tear gas to disperse those crowds and authorities say a monument was also vandalized during this protest. in some states abortion became illegal as soon as the supreme court issued its ruling. we're talking about 13 states that have these trigger laws in place activated by the court's decision. >> we want to take you to two of those states. cnn correspondent alexander field joins us live from st. louis, missouri. national correspondent nadia romero is live in jackson, mississippi. nadia, you're standing outside the last abortion clinic in that state and it's been tense out there this morning, there have been some demonstrations, right? >> reporter: yeah, boris and christi, it's been a long morning so far. at 4:00 a.m. local time, some of the protesters, antiabortion activists have come out and started really aggressively

intimidating to my crew and the staff and volunteers at this clinic, the last clinic in the state of mississippi as they open their doors because in this state the ag has to certify the bill into law and that won't happen for another ten days or so, so abortions are still happen. at this hour the doors are open. they've been allowing women to come in for the past hour or so simply because there's been so much hostility outside of this building. right here on this corner things have really calmed down, but we saw that intersection between the antiabo aboabortion activis those who are supporting this clinic and supporting the right of women, who still have that right in the state of mississippi, to get an abortion. things got carried away, things got loud, police were called, and things seem to have quieted down at least for the moment. i don't anticipate that will happen much longer as the sun comes up and more people make their way to this clinic.

it has so much meaning, for many people this is a place of refuge, the only place in the state to get an abortion. for others, this is a site of pure evil. listen to one of the volunteers at this clinic to talk about what it means for women for the next ten days in the state of mississippi and what happens thereafter. >> our volunteers will do what we always do, put the patient first, get them in as safely and comfortably as possible in the face of some really monstrous protesters. >> reporter: and it has been contentious, as i mentioned, things quieting down now, but more women making their way here. i was inside and saw a jam-packed lobby of women who were very somber. this is a very difficult decision for women who have had abortions in the past or were there today to have their abortions, it's a deeply personal decision for them. they filled the lobby. the abortion provider says he's been doing this work for 30 years, he believes in it, he

says he is not a baby killer, that they are having abortions for nonviable fetuses that could not live outside the womb. he believes in his work, boris and christi. >> thank you so much, nadia. alexandra, the attorney general there wasted no time. what's the latest in terms of the status in that state? >> reporter: this is a morning unlike any in nearly 50 years for women in missouri who today cannot get access to abortions in the state they live in. this doesn't come as a shock, this has been a long time coming, many years, frankly, in the making. people have seen republican state leaders over time enact more and more restrictions that have limited their access to abortion and they have watched as republican state leaders have sought to ban abortion outright. that is capacity what happened

merely minutes after the supreme court's decision went down. missouri is one of 13 states that had a trigger law on the books that allows the state to almost immediately enact a ban on abortion. the attorney general of this state proudly declaring that that was in fact the plan here, that that ban would immediately go into effect. here he is. >> here is missouri the people's voice has already made clear missourians respect the sanctity of the right to life. the importance of this day cannot be overstated. i am humbled to be a part of this and the first attorney general in the country to effectively end abortion. >> reporter: that ban here took effect immediately. missouri was one of ten states to ban abortion in a single day following that decision from the supreme court. in some states there are no

exceptions for rape or incest or the health of the mother. the decision here in missouri met by protests, hundreds of people turning out at what was the last remaining abortion provider in the state to voice their distress. patients who live in missouri who are seeking abortion care will be counseled to look at the possibility of traveling over the border into illinois. christi, boris? >> nadia, alexandra, thank you both for your reporting. cnn white house correspondent arlette saenz is with us live, arlette, good to see you this morning. what more is the president saying and what realistically could his administration do regarding this decision? >> reporter: christi and boris, president biden described the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade as a, quote, painful and devastating

decision for so many americans in this country and he says that his administration will now be focusing on what the states are going to do next. the white house had been bracing for this moment for months, developing contingency planning that really picked up steam when that leaked draft opinion was released back in may. now, president biden, as he gave an address yesterday, outlined some of the steps that his administration will be taking. that includes ensuring that they can try to defend a woman's right to cross state lines to obtain an abortion if their state does not allow one. he has also directed his administration to try to expand access to medication that would allow for abortions. but the president has also acknowledged that there is not much that he can personally do to fully restore that constitutional right to an abortion that had been in place for nearly 50 years. the president said that that must be done through legislation up on capitol hill but the votes

to do that simply do not exist at this moment. with protests also expected to occur over the weekend, the president also urged people to ensure that those protests remain peaceful. he said that violence is never acceptable. here at the white house this morning, in another historic moment, as the president signed the first major gun reform legislation in nearly three decades, the president also offered an assessment of the supreme court. >> reporter: do you think the supreme court is broken in your view? >> i think the supreme court has made some terrible decisions. >> reporter: now, the president there not only referencing abortion, but also a ruling from the supreme court this week that really expanded gun rights in this country. both of those issues, the white house is hoping, both guns and abortion, will galvanize voters heading into the midterm elections. the president specifically said

that in november, roe is on the ballot. >> arlette saenz, we appreciate it so much, thank you. jennifer rogers, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and joan biskupic. jennifer, i wanted to start with you, i think there are a lot of people at home who are wondering this. does this ruling create an opening to criminalize travel to other states if you are seeking abortion services, whether it's the services themselves, or what about the criminalization potentially of medicine related to abortions that could travel to state to state or could be transferred state to state, is that possible? >> we know that in fact states are already moving to try to make those things criminal, the travel to other states. missouri has tried to criminalize abortion, if someone got pregnant within the state, no matter where they are when

they have the abortion, and we know abortion pills are under attack as well. there are questions about the constitutionality of laws that try to prohibit people from traveling state to state. so i do think there will be legal challenges if and when states enact laws like that, and they are susceptible i think to successful legal challenges. so i think in the end, probably trying to stop women from traveling out of state using the criminal laws will not work. they may have some success with trying to stop people from getting abortion pills. again, this is an area where biden can take some executive action to try to help the situation. but there are legal challenges. people are already gearing up for those as states are jumping to pass these laws as quickly as possible, to try to stop women from not just having abortions in clinics within those states but really to try to reach beyond their own states and stop women from going elsewhere. >> joan, i want to ask you about the broader implications here specifically from justice chance thomas' concurrence. he said in future cases we

should reconsider all of this court's substantive due process precedents. he talked about same-sex marriage, the use of contraceptives, that there could be some real ramifications there, some changes. justices, we know, can't simply go relitigate, they need to be tethered to a case that comes to them. do you think that this statement he made was his way of saying, bring me a case? >> yes. he invited greater challenges to broader privacy rights. and, you know, christi, there was a time when i would have said justice chance thomas alone is saying that the court should reverse roe, alone is saying how wrongly it was reasoned. but he ended up prevailing on friday, and who knows what's to come to additional challenges. as a threshold matter i would say it seems impossible that suddenly the court would overturn a right to even obtain

contraceptives as the supreme court said was a constitutional right back in 1965, or that the supreme court would say that suddenly its decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide in 2015 should be overturned. both those things seem, as i said, impossible. but today is not the day to think that anything is impossible, given that 50 years of abortion rights has just been rolled back. now, the majority, sam alito, the majority author sam alito, said our decision is limited here. but the reasoning of the decision could allow the future courts to go much further, and it certainly will allow challenges. and i'll just remind you of what the three liberal dissenters wrote. those justices in the majority are not done yet. and they even cited those kinds

of cases from the past, griswold v. connecticut on contraceptives, obergefell on the same-sex marriage right. >> there is a report this morning from "the new york times" that they had obtained some staff notes regarding a two-hour meeting that senator susan collins had with brett kavanaugh in august of 2018, and in it kavanaugh said, according to "the new york times," roe is 45 years old, it's been reaffirmed many times, lots of people care about it a great deal and i've tried to demonstrate i understand real world consequences. and now of course both senator susan collins and joe manchin said not only kavanaugh but neil gorsuch lied, essentially, to them in their private meetings as well as in the hearings. i'm wondering, shan wu this morning said this ruling raises questions about whether sitting justices lied in their confirmation hearings about respecting roe as law of the

land and that they could be the subject of an impeachment inquiry. is there a likelihood there? >> if you're asking me, i would say no. clearly what brett kavanaugh said to susan collins was not the full story from where he sits. he wrote a concurring opinion yesterday, christi, where he acts as if, of course i was poised to overturn roe, of course i thought it was not solid precedent. he went through all the reasons of why the action he was taking yesterday was so correct, that it was time to roll back roe. and he didn't act at if this was some new epiphany he had. he outlined his view of precedent and why this particular precedent was egregiously wrong. so i believe he probably had some of those thoughts back when susan collins talked to him and he might have accentuated some

open-endedness in his thinking. he did what he needed to do to get confirmed as many nominees have. it just is a reminder that senators cannot take things at face value and those of us watching the testimony of these nominees, it reinforces what many of us thought all along, it's kind of just talk, unfortunately. >> jennifer, do you agree with that? and not only do you agree with that, but where does this leave chief justice roberts? because he seemed to have some efforts that he was trying to salvage this to some degree. >> yeah, i mean, i do agree with that. legally, if you're talking about a false statement to congress, to be a lie that would support like a perjury conviction or even, frankly, an impeachment proceeding, you have to have a provably false statement at the time. if anything, they made kind of wishy washy promises about what

they might do, and that's certainly not good enough. as for roberts, listen, there's no question, he's lost control of this court. this is not the roberts court anymore, this is the alito/thomas court now. he really wanted to take an incremental step here, there's no question. he's throwing around these terms that he calls foundational to the court like judicial restraint and stare decisis and he couldn't get anyone to come along with him on that ride. i think it's fair to say he has completely lost control of the court. i just don't expect that he's going to be the kind of chief justice he wants to be, guiding the court for years down the road. >> could i add a little ps to that, though? >> real quickly, yes. >> john roberts is still prevailing on issues of race, religion, guns, and campaign finance. he's lost this big battle but he's still steering this court on many other conservative issues. >> very good point. jennifer rogers, joan biskupic, we appreciate your insight,

ladies, thank you so much. still to come this morning, president biden on his way to the g7 summit in germany, shifting his focus temporarily off the supreme court and back on russia's invasion of ukraine. and just moments from now we'll hear from a texas state senator. he actually wrote that state's controversial law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. all this as the nation feels the fallout over the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade. stay with cnn. we're back after a break. moving his money into his investment account in real time and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merririll, a bank of america company. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartbur if you used shipgo this whole thing

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norway's intelligence services raised the threat level after a shooting in an oslo gay bar. police have charged the suspect with murder and terrorism in an attack that killed two people and sent eight to the hospital. the suspect is a norwegian citizen originally from iran. authorities have been aware of the suspect since 2015 and spoke with him in fact just last

month. at the time they were not convinced that he had a, quote, violent intention. oslo's pride parade planned for today has been canceled and norway's police who are normally unarmed are now temporarily carrying weapons after the shooting. so this landmark gun safety legislation that we've been talking about today is happening as the supreme court of course overturned that new york state law that prohibited people from carrying concealed handguns outside their homes. >> the decision marks the widest expansion of u.s. gun rights in a decade but democrats in new york say they're still working to keep some public spaces gun-free. cnn's polo sandoval has more. >> reporter: pe >> people are anxious, they are scared. >> reporter: this senator is among those scrambling to write new laws to keep people from carrying guns.

the ruling has been called both reckless and reprehensible by some leaders in a state that's still reeling with a mass shooting in buffalo and another in april aboard a packed subway train in the senator's own brooklyn district. >> i can't emphasize enough how disastrous this supreme court decision is. we do still have some options, but people should be worried about the future of keeping guns off of our streets. >> reporter: he expects to join fellow lawmakers in a special session in the coming days to discuss those options. some of them include expanding so-called sensitive locations where the licensed carrying of firearms would be banned. also under the agenda, he says, outlining the training and vetting that will be required for residents interested in arming themselves. >> we shouldn't be making it incredibly onerous for individuals who are law abiding citizens to try to get a

firearm. that has never been what our concealed carry firearm regime was about. it was really about keeping new yorkers safe because new york and its geography and incidence density and our history dictates that we're different in many respects. >> reporter: he says the new yorkers he's heard from recently have been largely opposed to loosening handgun licensing requirements although there are some who welcome an opportunity to arm themselves. >> absolutely. especially because i am qualified to do that and i am trained to do that. and i would feel much safer. >> reporter: new yorkers like nancy nichols who says she was licensed to carry a concealed firearm in texas when that was required but she gave up her pistol after moving to new york city eight years ago. >> because some of us are not new yorkers and some of us are i feel like there's going to be a middle split ground there, yeah. >> reporter: where do you stand in that split ground? >> i'm for it, as long as there's proper regulations in place and stuff that we can clearly define who gets to have one and where, i feel like we

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after decades of inaction from congress even in the face of gun violence and mass shootings across the country, this morning president biden signed a major gun safety bill to address a growing epidemic. >> i want to discuss what impact this legislation as well as the recent scotus rulings will have on the upcoming midterm elections. cnn political commentators s.e. cupp and karen finney, ladies, so grateful to have you here, good morning to you. karen, when we talk about the millions of dollars that are being invested now for mental health and school safety and crisis intervention programs and that so-called boyfriend loophole, which was a big one for people, expanding background checks for younger buyers, and they have incentives for states to establish red flag laws as well, crisis intervention programs, there's a lot in this bill that finally went through. there's also a lot that did not.

my question to you is, when we talk about this gun safety bill, is the potency of this issue enough to override some of the other issues republicans are going to cite such as the economy to get voters, particularly democratic voters to the polls? >> sure, it's a great question. for those voters, it certainly shows progress. even some of the most staunch gun reform activists have said a step forward is better than no steps forward at all. at the same time, as you point out, there's a lot more that is needed. and frankly, i think what happened in congress was undermined by what the supreme court did. and so that brings the issue back to the fore in the minds of voters. in november, for those voters for whom this is the mobilizing issue, who do you trust? this is true on both sides of the aisle, by the way. who do you trust? when it comes to gun safety

democrats tend to do better. in those communities where you have parents and others who remain concerned about crime levels, about wanting to go farther in some of these measures, i think it will be a positive for democrats. >> s.e., on the republican side, 29 republicans from both chambers alongside pretty much all democrats voting to pass this bill. do you see this being an issue for those republicans when they return home and are primaried from the right? >> here's the weird thing, so usually when there's a democrat in the white house, the gun issue is very good for republicans. you know, gun ownership goes up, nra membership goes up. that has not been the case in this administration. actually nra membership and donations are down. and frankly, the supreme court ruling, which was good for republicans and folks on that side of the issue, actually took a very good issue off the table

for republicans. so that combined with the roe ruling i think is all very good news for democrats. and i don't think this will play much at all for the republicans who voted for these discrete pieces of gun legislation. i think actually this all works in democrats' favor for midterms. >> i wanted to ask you something about that regarding the roe verdict or the roe ruling and what this means for midterms for republicans. i want to listen to ashley alison, a political commentator and former white house staff member under president obama. and she said this isn't just about abortion itself, there are some -- this really bleeds into other areas. here she is. >> this is not just about a woman's right to choose. it is very clear and people should take note.

they are coming for everyone. if you are not a white, conservative male, they want to take your rights away. this time it's abortion. next time it will be marriage equality. the next time -- they've already done voting rights. every right we have fought so hard for is at stake right now. >> s.e., how do republicans counter that? >> well, yeah, i think the roe ruling was a huge -- they might like the outcome, but politically i can't imagine a better turnout engine than this ruling for democrats. and you can make the argument that the republicans' legislative victories and the supreme court victory by a conservative court are regressive, they're taking us backwards. whether you like them or not, you can't deny the fact that they're going backwards, right, they're taking us back to a different time when these weren't rights. republicans are banning books.

i mean, it really does feel anachronistic with where the country is. so i think that's a good message for democrats. you know, look, the economy is still going to be a huge driver for the election. but i absolutely think, look, the democrats got a big boost from both of these rulings, i feel like, and they needed it, politically. >> karen, go ahead. >> i was just going to say, the other way to think about this is, if you think back to the civil rights movement and so much of the legislation that was passed, brown v. board of education, the voting rights act, that was all about expanding rights. but the message from the court now is, the court is not a place to go to expand or protect your rights. and so i agree with s.e. that part of what this message sends is, and the president said it yesterday, if you care about

these issues, that's why you have to vote for democrats, because we need a legislative solution. and there's been a lot of polling that has been done recently by groups like emily's list, planned parenthood, naral, that shows these issues are mobilizing for democratic voters who may have been a little less mobilized before, and it actually moves some voters over to democrats. so i think you're going to certainly see democrats press that advantage in conversation. two things, one, for women, it's not just about abortion, it's about control of our bodies. and certainly what clarence thomas said opened up the door to a number of other issues, as ashley said in that clip, that will make people very concerned. >> the concurrence is going to be a really interesting side note to this that could become much further than a side note. s.e. cupp, karen finney, we

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there are a lot of woman in the united states who woke up today enraged and they're wondering from folks like you, what gives you the right to decide what a woman can do with her body? >> thank you for having me on. after this opinion, for folks on the pro-life view, this is not a time to gloat. this is a big deal, this is serious. this is a time for us to show love, to reach out to americans who see this issue differently than we do. and our responsibility, while we save the life of the unborn child, is to love and respect and support those mothers. and that's what we're doing in texas in tangible ways. when we passed the heartbeat bill last year we also put $100 million into a new program just to help those expectant mothers, adoptive parents, those mothers who choose adoption, many programs exist to help texans who are having a difficult time economically, low income folks. but this program is on top of that just to help those moms

with baby formula, diapers, parenting classes, tangible things to give them help. we want to save the life of that little unborn baby while we love and respect and support the mother and we're going to do both. >> the trigger law banning abortion in your state goes into effect in roughly 30 days. it defines pregnancy as beginning at the moment of fertilization. are you on board with that? >> i'll be filing legislation when the legislature comes back into session that will begin child support obligations at that point. we want to be consistent in this. that's a little unborn baby growing inside her mother's womb. dr. king -- >> sir, if we could for a moment, clarify that for us. are you saying you believe life begins at conception? >> life begins at conception. if you talk to scientists, if you talk to medical professionals, there are stages of development all the way through the pregnancy. there are stages of development

after birth. little newborn babies are not fully grown. but when that human is in the womb, that's the life we want to protect, of course. >> there are scientists and doctors who say life doesn't begin at conception, they don't share that opinion, they believe it's a cluster of cells and through those stages of development, eventually you can define an embryo, a fetus, potentially as life but they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. so i go back to my first question, specifically what is it that allows you to define what life is for women? >> each scientist you're referring to would pick a different point in that development. each one would. as you know, democrats in the u.s. congress support a bill that would allow abortion up to the moment of birth. we know most americans obviously are not in favor of that. and so roe v. wade means this question goes back to the states. so the people decide it through the states.

people are going to vote. if they don't like the policies in their state they're going to vote with their feet. people have been doing that, they've been leaving states like california and coming to texas where there's opportunity and liberty and rights. we respect the rights of those little unborn babies as well. this is a decision that should not have been decided by seven old men in 1973. this should be left to the people and the states. as you know, that's what roe v. wade does, it will be an issue of state by state decisions by the people through the legislatures. >> i understand your point. i do want to clarify that bill that you're referring to that democrats -- you referred to democrats supporting a bill that would allow for abortion up until the moment of birth. i don't believe that that's widely supported by a majority of democrats. i don't know that that's realistic or that that would pass in any of the 50 states. i do want to get your thoughts on the concurrent -- i want to get your thoughts on the concurring opinion of justice thomas because he believes the court should revisit other decisions linked to privacy

rights, gay marriage, access to contraception, other issues. are you sharing in that opinion with justice thomas? >> in the 1960s and '70s the court interviewed in a lot of areas of life they had never been in before. they went beyond the constitution, beyond the laws. roe v. wade was the high point or the low point of those rulings. and so the ruling today just means that the federal courts and the federal government will leave the states and the people more liberty to make their own decisions. that's all this is about. i don't have bills in mind to file along those lines. we're focused in texas on coming back and providing more support for those moms and babies, that's what you'll see from us here in texas. >> as you noted, texas allocated $100 million to expectant moms and adoptive parents but there are women out there who say that even with that financial support, it's not enough. they would like to see an expansion of health care beyond

those $100 million. but yet many republicans do not support expansions of health care across this country, certainly not socialized medicine. so what would you say to women who say that it's not enough, what you're offering is simply not enough? >> we added the $100 million in addition to medicaid and health care services that are already available. we added $100 million last year when we passed the heartbeat bill knowing more moms and more babies would need help. now we know more moms and more babies will need help. we're talking about real, tangible help for those moms. we're serious about this. >> state senator brian hughes, one more question for you. specifically a procedure that may be impacted by this decision, in vitro fertilization, ivf, a process many women use to get pregnant does often result in the destruction of embryos but it's the only way for some couples to

conceive. would you support legal protections for ivf? >> i want to be clear about this. the exceptions in this bill are like the ones we put in our pro-life laws for the last 20 years. if the mother's life is in danger, if there's serious risk to the mother's health, of course that's always going to be protected. nothing is going to change as far as that goes in this bill. we want to make sure that's taken care of. >> that doesn't answer the question about in vitro fertilization. >> i'm sorry, what exactly is the question? >> in vitro fertilization, this decision by the supreme court, it could make it difficult for women to receive that treatment because in the process of administering ivf, often embryos are destroyed. and you just said you believe that life begins at conception. so i'm wondering if there's a contradiction there for you. >> each state is going to sort these things out. in texas we're going to protect innocent human life in the womb. now, if the mother's life is in jeopardy, if her health is in jeopardy, of course. >> but not if she's the victim

of rape or incest? >> beyond that, we're going to protect innocent human life growing inside her mother's womb. that little baby is the most helpless, the most deserving of protection, the most innocent a human can ever be so we want to make assure those lives are protected. >> state senator brian hughes, i would love to continue testing your ideas but that's all we have time for. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. stay with cnn. we'll be right back.

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hello, everyone, thank you so much for joining me this saturday. from new york, i'm fredericka whitfield. we begin this hour with a split u.s. supreme court ruling reflecting the massive divide in this country, outrage over the court's 5-4 decision to overturn roe v. wade spilling out int