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mcast business. powering possibilities. thanks for sticking with me. i will be back once it. don lemon tonight, starts or not. >> i can't wait to see you on wednesday, sara sidner. this is happening soon. we will talk about mystery. surprise that nobody saw, and, really. the january 6 committee rushing to add another hearing tomorrow afternoon. it will begin at 1:00. for refusing to say who is cessa fine. the committee is having concern about the security of a potential witness. what does this all mean? there adding another person,
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they just decided to do it. they are worried about security? they recently obtained evidence. what does the committee know now that they didn't know before? meanwhile, the doj investigation is heating up to. the lawyer that told then president trump that michael parents can block the election, spoiler alert, they could not. the lawyer, john eastman says, they sees his phone and got access to his account. here is a video. >> it happened the same day the day rated joseph clark's home. more to come on all of that. plus, chaos on the views of all of this country. in the wake of the roe v wade reversal, the latest, south
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carolina. a federal judge allowing the state to ban abortions beginning around six weeks. that makes at least 10 states that will band or have severe restrictions. another fort teen were banned with certain or likely. nearly half of this country, a right that americans have had for almost 50 years, is vanishing. outrage is growing over a court that seems to be out of step with a majority of americans. 6 anton, disapprove of the court's decision. what happens to millions of people in this country that no longer have faith in the highest court of this land? vice president kamala harris in her first video since the decision. worried that the justices on the court could take away other rights. the right to birth control.
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same-sex marriages. the right of couples to get married. >> i definitely believe this is not. i do. he just said the quiet part out loud. that's why we need to understand the significance of what just happened. this is profound. and the way that this decision has come down has been so driven , i think, by the policy of the issue. the value that we place on freedom and liberty in our country. >> it's a fascinating interview and we have more on that coming up. plus, dramatic eyewitness accounts from the amtrak train that derailed today. three people killed. at least, 50 incher.
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>> yes, sir. >> frightening. a lot going on. i want to begin with the january 6 hearing and what it could mean. let's speak with andrew mccabe and whitehouse cancel, john dean. this is a minister. certainly suspenseful. i cannot wait to see what happens. john, for the committed to suddenly announce the mix into the entry, you say, this better. the big deal. i agree. why do you say that? >> i look back on the country when the last time they had a surprise witness, it was during the watergate committee hearing. he was a big witness. he set a high bar. i tweeted that and got a really remarkable reaction from thousands of people, including some well informed people who told me, don't worry. it's a big deal.
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>> okay. thousands of well-informed people. all right. well, we will see -- go ahead, you want to respond to that, john? >> i might have over spoken on thousands. some well informed people. some particularly well informed people responded at told me, don't worry. >> that's a big deal. andrew mccabe, running the january 6 hearing. according to sources familiar with the panel's plans. part of the reason why the committee is being so secretive about who will appear, give us your read on that. does that offer any clues do you? >> you know, it really doesn't, don. it's a strange thing to say. particularly when you have security concerns for a witness, you would probably try to keep that quiet and then take action to ensure or increase the security for that witness. like, having the witness
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testified behind a screen so that the rest of the world can't see who they are. they could change the tenor of their voice and mask that. it is odd that they drew attention to the fact that somebody is having security concerns. that is not typically the way that you are doing. it is kind of a fascinating mystery. i agree with john. they really have drawn a lot of attention to this thing. i hope those informed people are correct. that this will actually be something significant. >> could it be some of the people that they wanted to be hung on january 6? >> there have been a lot of people mentioned conspicuously in the testimonies of her. jeffrey clark. john eastman. there are many people well, i'm not predicting that any of them will be our witness to, there are a lot of people that have been referred to repeatedly have may be decided, i'm going to go sit down and tell my own
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story in front of the committee. there are all kinds of possibilities for his two you guys don't want to guess who you think it could be? >> no. >> a resounding, no, from the puma gallery. no speculation. okay listen, andrew, the committee has publicly pressured the white house counsel. nancy pelosi has said that they documented from witnesses from the chung family. do you think they want to get it out as soon as possible? are they up against the clock? >> it definitely seems time sensitive, done. to shoehorn this hearing in a week before the holiday weekend, is bizarre. most people have probably headed home at this point. time sensitive could also be the committee realizing they
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have a lot of attention at that hearing last thursday about the pressure the administration around the doj. the concrete is some positive momentum for these hearings in general. i would suspect there is pressure for them to basically finish off faster. this witness or evidence has something to do with that narrative, they would want to get it in quickly and in front of people before they forget. two weeks ago, they probably remembered what happened next week. my guess is that is something to do with what happened on thursday. >> john, if they are dealing with a relook witness, could that be part of this? getting that person on or before he or she backs out? >> that very well could be the answer, don. they want to quickly get that person in and they agreed to do it and they want to get them there. >> we said, no speculation. >> go on. >> as you may have noticed, we
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contributors to allot of speculating. andrew has a good time. i think it is probably connect it to the last senate hearings. they want to tell you the better. that went toward, pat cipollone. i think he has more obligation and he may well be the one coming in. he may well fit the criteria. >> it's interesting, unless it's a household name, if pat cipollone comes in, most people will be, who is that? we are all paying attention. when you say his name to the media folks are the people who pay attention, we go, that's interesting. to the average american, they don't know, you know, pat cipollone from the guy from the delivered they have no idea. do you understand what i'm saying? >> i think that's absolutely right. i think that is probably true for the hearings in general.
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the hearings are communal, it's a compelling story. it's captivating to those people who have been following this narrative since january 6th, 2021. there is a whole big part of the country who is not that interested in learning about this or rehashing it. they want to purposely avoided because is not a pleasant memory for them. i think, you know, no matter who they put on tomorrow, there is going to be a lot of disappointment out there in terms of people saying, whole, home, what difference does this make? >> it's monday. i'm going slow. by wednesday, i will. monday, they should've said, they won't know from adam, as the same. we are learning that the fbi have seized john eastman's phone, leslie. about six agents approached him as he was exiting a restaurant. eastman is calling and proper. how significant is this? also, what give them access to any security communications that
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he may have had? i will ask andrew and they get a job. >> he may have knew. o that. in this day and age with cryptic communications with apps like, what's at and signal, the only way to get communication for people that use that platform is the get your hands on one of the telephones. that's the only way he gets decryptor. it's a part of. the significance is clear. first of all, it's a place on the same day as the jeffrey clark search warrant. when you have multiple search warrants, you try to do them on the same day. so one warrant does not have the other one off. to serve a search warrant for the telephone of the former president's lawyer, is a very big deal under any circumstances. one that would definitely have the absolute highest levels of the department of justice in
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that decision-making. finally, this one is little restraint. according to eastman's allegations, you have fbi agents executing search warrants on behalf of the doj inspector general. that is very odd. i have not seen that before in my career. there is no question that this warrant is connected to an ig case. because the documents used are inspector general documents. the file number that they have on that document is not consistent with an fbi case file number. it is strange to me that the bureau would have been involved in executing the warrant. it's also questionable as to why the department of justice, and inspector general, will be investigating a man, john easement, has never worked with the department of justice. >> even more ministry.
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now, i really want to know. i'm not kidding. john, do you want to respond to that? i want to play the soundbite. >> i would add, because the inspector general is doing it, it looks like it is jeffrey lark who was an employee of the department. he was dealing with easement. that ties them together. that is probably why the fbi got the double assignment. >> john, this is what we heard from eastman. in >> what did dr. eastman want you to do? >> that we would attract votes, take a vote to overthrow -- i shouldn't say overthrow. that we would, decertify the electors -- >> what did the president say when he called used? >> he essentially turn the call over to mr. eastman. he then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc
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helping the campaign together these contingent electors. >> do you think he will ultimately be charged with a crime, john? >> i don't know? there are certainly some appearances of criminal activity here. what he was doing. i have debated john easement once when he was running for attorney general of california. they needed a quick sop to debate. i found his legal thinking at that time, strange and unusual. to debate at citizens united. i just want to be surprised if he had no hesitation crossing the line and will find himself in deep trouble. >> think you, john. thank you, andrew. done, done, done. we will know tomorrow. what is fascinating, this is not leaked. this is washington dc. are you guys surprised? >> yes.
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>> always surprised. >> the night is still young, sort of. thank you. an exclusive, kamala harris in her first interview since the supreme court overturned roe v wade. what it means for our democracy. >> the court actually took a constitutional right that has been recognized for half a century. they took it from the women of america. that is shocking. deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena® fishing helps ease my mind.
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the vice president, kamala harris, saying tonight that when she was in the senate, she never believed the supreme court justices corsets or cavanaugh thought that they believed roe v wade was settled law. she grilled brett kavanaugh of whether or not the government has the right to regulate men's bodies? >> anything of any time that it would give the government
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reason to regulate men's bodies? >> i am happy to answer more specific questions. >> male versus female. >> there are medical procedures. >> that the government has the power to make a decision about a man's body? >> i thought you were talking about medical procedures that are unique to men. >> i will. the question. can you think of any laws that gives the government the power to make decisions about the male body? >> i am not, i am not, i'm not thinking of any right now, senator. >> interesting. right? considering what just happened. harris said that she was shot when the high court overturned roe v wade on friday. she'd sat down with dana bash. >> thank you for having me here. you were on the plane when the supreme court overturned roe v wade. as the highest ranking woman
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ever elected in u.s. history, what was going through your mind at that moment? i was on air force to headed to aurora, illinois, to talk about maternal health. we were with laura underwood. the chair of the senate judiciary. we were there to unveil a plan based on the work we have been doing to ensure that women receive the kindness of work that they need during and post pregnancy. and, we thought the decision would come down sometime soon, not at that moment. i was shocked. you know, it's one thing when you know something will happen. it's another when it actually happens. i actually turned, i couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe it. they actually did it. here is what they did -- the court actually took a
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constitutional right that has been recognized for half a century, and took it from the women of america. that's shocking. when you think about it, in terms of what that means, in terms of democratic pencils. the ideals in which we were founded. liberty and freedom. i thought about it as, you know, a parent. we have two children in their 20s. a son and a daughter. i thought of it as a godparent of teenagers. i thought of it as an aunt of preschool children and a woman, myself. >> the daughter of the one. the granddaughter of a woman. you know, my husband and i were talking about it. having a 23-year-old, my mother in law is in her 80s. our daughter will not know the rights for the amount of time
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that my mother in law knew these rights. which is the right that, that should be, well-settled. that a woman should have to make decisions about her own body. when we think about it, everyone has something at risk on this. first of all, if you are a parent of sons, do you think about what this means for the life of your son. what that will mean in terms of the choices he will have. to think about it in the context of the fact that the rope this decision including a concurrent opinions that suggest that other rights such as, the freedom to make decisions about when you will start a family. the freedom and the right to make decisions about contraceptive. iuds. what this will mean in terms of in vitro fertilization. >> let me ask about that. judge thomas did write a
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concurring opinion saying the court should reconsider other cases. the protect same-sex marriage, contraception, intimacy, and more. you think the supreme court is on a path to reverse those as well? >> i definitely believe this is not over. i, do. i think he just said the quiet part out loud. i think that is why we all must really understand the significance of what just happened. this is profound. and, and, and, the way that this decision has come down, has been sewed driven, i think, by the policy of the issue. what should be the values that we place on freedom and liberty in our country? the right to privacy? let's think of this in the context of the laws that are being passed and states.
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dana, and 13 states, they will not allow a woman to have an abortion if she is the victim of or incest. let me tell you something, as a former prosecutor who specialized in crimes of violence against women and girls, particularly of assault and , the idea that after a woman has endured such violence to her body, that she would not have the freedom and authority to decide whether she wanted to continue with the pregnancy that is a result of an act of violence, is absolutely unthinkable. >> because you are now the vice president of the united states, part of an administration that is pledging to fight back to find ways to protect women's
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rights to abortion. i want to ask you some of the things that are kind of out there that some of your former female senators, colleagues, are asking the administration to do. will the administration actively challenge state laws that make it a crime for someone to help a woman travel to another state for an abortion? >> the president, rightly last week, when the decision came down indicated unambiguously that we will do everything within our power, as the initiation through the executive branch, to ensure that women have access to the medication that they need. it has either way been fda approved. they will have freedom of travel and that should be unrestricted. >> you do that to the courts, if need be? >> i assure that our doj would do that for every state. >> and administration expand
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abortion access or services on federal land? many, provide the access on federal land that might be in and around states that ban abortion? >> i think what is most important right now, we ensure that the restrictions that the states are trying to put up that would prohibit a woman from exercising what we maintain as her right, that we do everything we can to empower women to not only seek, but receive the care, where it's available. >> is the land one of those options? >> is not right now what we are discussing. when i think about what is have in terms of the states, we have to also recognize, dana, we are 130 odd days away from an election. which is going to include, senate races. right? heart of the issue is that the court has acted, now court --
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congress has to act. there is an election happening. 130 days, for example, thinking of a senate race in georgia or north carolina. a senate race coming up in a couple weeks in colorado. we have to change the balance and have pro-choice legislators who have the power to make decisions about whether this right will be in love. we say, codified. put in law, so there will be no ambiguity. >> jessica moore questions. what i am hearing and you probably are, too, is -- what can this democratic administration do right now with any executive power that the president has? can the administration actually increase access to medication abortion? >> i think it's pretty clear, to the extent, we will. no question about that. again, it is fda approved.
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if it is prescribed, that a woman should be able to have access to -- >> what about the idea of financial resources? some form of voucher for travel, child care services, other forms of support for women seeking abortions in states where it is not legal, but they don't have the means to go elsewhere? >> you are making an important point. one of the details they are going to go into, ensuring that women have the ability to actual travel without impairment. we know on this issue, women who have access to resources will probably be far less impacted by this decision than women who don't have resources. this is something that we are looking at. because, we know for example, in terms how this will impact real people. over half of women who receive abortions in america, our mouse. that means, if they have to travel, they have to find
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daycare and pay for. it means, if they are working, most are, they will have to have time from work. if they don't have paid leave, they will have to figure out how to afford it. they may have to put up money for a train or a bus or a plane. much less, a hotel. we want to make sure that there are not extreme disparities or any, based on who can receive care, based on how much money they have got. >> dana, thank you. that was great reporting. you also asked her about january 6, former vice president, mike pence. what did she say to you? >> the question that everybody in washington who is looking at these hearings -- the biden justice department is going to, seek criminal charges against
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president donald trump. i asked about that. >> former vice president mike pence, has your opinion of him changed? >> i think he did his job that day. i commend him for that. clearly, it was under extraordinary circumstances that he should not have had to face. i commend him for having the courage to do his job. in >> there you hurt something that you don't hear very often. which is, somebody like the vice president, who sat for a debate with and against of mike pence, has not exactly been -- you know, they are very much diametrically opposed. on this issue of january 6, specifically the role that he played in following his
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constitutional role on january 6, she said, she commends him. i mention the january 6th potential prosecution of donald trump, what she said, as a former prosecutor, she does not want to comment on another prosecutors potential case. >> which was the correct answer. dana bash. informative. thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. four democrats looking for ways to protect abortions across the states. and other rulings that could come across like, gave ministry do they have other options? ahead, a amtrak train crashed. at least three people killed. we will have the latest, next. big game today! everybody ready? alexa, ask buick to start my enclave.
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back with more in our exclusive interview with vice president, kamala harris. what the new reality look like with abortion bands going into effect in states all across this country. here to discuss this is jeffrey two. jeffrey, good to see you. what do democrats have when it comes to scotus overall with abortion specifically? a lot of options that people are throwing out there, they don't support expanding the court or opening clinics on federal land. >> one of the things the politicians never like to admit. is, they are powerless. democrats are pretty powerless when it comes to the supreme court. even the whole federal system. i'm not 100% powerless.
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this is now a state matter. you know, there are, you know, going to be fights in states. the states that are going to have the biggest states, are those where the control of the government is contested. were you have a democratic governor and a republican legislation. in michigan, they have a republican governor. in states that are republican, they are all in the process of learning or limiting abortion so that it is effectively banned. i don't think there is a lot that the federal government can do about it. >> are options, should they have been trying to codify? >> they could have. it's interesting, both sides are talking about codifying abortion law. mike pence is saying, if i'm elected president, we will pass a law in congress outflowing abortion in the whole country.
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biden and harris are saying, elect democrats and we will codify the law to legalize abortion in the country. it's an unsettled question whether the federal government has jurisdiction over that matter. you know, you need full control to even try to pass a law like that. neither the democrats or republicans have a very >> i agree and disagree with the former -- i agree with her on sentiment. i just don't think it was so quiet. i'm talking about clarence thomas. i don't think it was quiet. he is saying it, because he means it. that's the only part i disagree with her on. she is right. he said, they should start looking at same-sex motion shifts and marriage and contraception. >> i don't know, quiet or low? one of the things i have learned studying clarence thomas for a long time, i've been covering the court for basically his entire tenure on
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the courts, since, 1991. he says what he means. he is candid, he's honest. he is the one who led the charge to say what the second amendment protects individuals to have weapons. he has talked about how roe should be overturned since the casey decision in 1992. when he says that those three decisions should be overturned, i think, he means a. i don't know that he has five foes at this point? i think the three cases he talked about, contraception, same-sex marriage, and, what was the third one? i am blinking. >> same-sex relationships, same- sex marriage. >> oh yeah, consensual activity. i think the one in greatest danger, same-sex marriage. with the invitation from the supreme court, i think there will be at least one state this is, we are going to outlaw it
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again. we never agreed to. it was forced on us by the supreme court. we will outlawed again and create a test case. there may be five votes for overruling. thomas hazlett, he's already one of them. when you look at the trump appointees, sam alito, you could get to five quickly. >> what do they say about interracial marriage? >> everyone knows that he is married to a white woman. some people think he's not talking about loving versus virginia. in his defense, that case was also about privacy. like the abortion cases. it also had a racial dimension which makes it a somewhat different due process case. i am trying to be fair. >> loving, was just a couple of years before roe. >> it was a conspicuous
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absence. you can articulate a reason why it was different. >> this is a new cbs poll. find that 59% of the americans do not support the decision of roe v wade. what is this hyper- partisan decision? what does it mean for the course legitimacy? >> one justice that i covered a lot was sandra day o'connor. she was always concerned with never having the court to far out of public opinion. this group of conservatives is very different. to be honest, you know, it is interesting. but, i don't think it has that big of an impact. so what? people don't approve. >> i agree. >> people say, it will hurt the courts legitimacy. their decisions are still there decisions. >> and salah. >> they still have the last word. unless it gets to be some
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overwhelming rejection, i don't think it has much significance. >> do you think the court, i want to get the exact thing that people are telling me. they say that scotus is now firmly in the hands of white christians the premises. religion based bigotry prevails. that's a settlement. what you think? >> that's not the way i like to talk about the court. i do think the court is in the hands of extremely conservative republicans, who have a very specific agenda on lots of different issues. including, limiting the regulatory powers of the government about climate change. that's a decision that is due on wednesday that is maybe as earth shaking and importance as dobbs is.
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next year, they will hear the affirmative action case out of harvard. close to a lock that they will outlaw in this country. obviously, they overturn roe versus wade. this is their agenda. you know, the agenda is very -- >> you used, extremely conservative. is it fringe? >> i think that mitch mcconnell made sure that these justices got confirmed. i think it illustrates that the republican party of 2022 is incredibly different from the republican party of the 1990s. 1992, the decision upheld roe, the casey decision, 5-4. all justices in the majority were republicans. now, none. >> thank you. i appreciate it. there was a deadly
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derailment in missouri. after a passenger train collided with a truck. the latest on that, next. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card.
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comcast business. powering possibilities. mike this is a disturbing story that can affect all of us. three people are dead. at least 50 art injury. following an amtrak injury in missouri. they had a dumb truck at a uncontrolled railroad crossing. they're launching a team to investigate. mary, thank you for joining us. i wish it was under better circumstances. what is this team going to be looking at when they get to the scene? >> the team will be aided,
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first and foremost by the lack box on the train. they have forward-looking equipment. they will be pulling the camera. they have the train speed. when the whistle and horn was speed of the train. when the engineer applied the brakes. that gives them an idea when they saw the obstruction on the track. so because of that black box they will have an awful lot of information to start with. and of course they will also gather information about the track, the track conditions, which railroad owns that particular section of track, and information about the signage. apparently, it was the standard cross hatch, cross sort of sign, not any lights or gates or arms. but they will have all that in advance and then, of course, once they get there, the hard work starts of looking at the
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train, the controls, measuring everything and also the situation of the actual roadway going over the tracks. so they have a lot to do. >> this accident occurred at an uncontrolled, as you said, crossing meaning there are no lights, no mechanized arms. what about what -- tell us what's that tell us about what happened here? anything? >> well, it's hard to judge at this point. but you know every year about 250 people are killed at crossings because of this. this is a far fewer number than, say, 20 years ago. 20 years ago it averaged about 750 a year. but every year well over 1,000 accidents happen like this where someone travels over the road and intersects with the train. it's difficult to tell at this point whether the vehicle was stuck on the track, whether it was a situation where it couldn't move out fast enough. or did not hear or see the train
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and sadly some accidents are because people try to beat the train. the federal rail administration, the department of transportation has had a great public campaign to educate people never, never try to do that. of course, we don't know if that happened here. it would help if there were cameras at railroad crossings like at intersections in, you know, cities and all over the country looking for speeders. you could do that as well. but there are not. so they will have to judge what occurred at that crossing based on the conditions and if there were any eyewitnesses or ear witnesses. >> all right. mary, thank you. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. big developments in the january 6th investigation. the fbi seizing the phone of the former trump election attorney john eastman. in a surprise announcement, the committee will hold another hearing tomorrow. we will talk about that. that is next. more sun, more j. neutrogena® beach defense® the suncare brand used most by dermatologists
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and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. these folks don't have time to go to the post office they use all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to and never go to the post office again. the january 6th committee scheduling a surprise hearing
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for tomorrow to present what it calls recently obtained evidence. originally they said the hearings would resume mid-july. the fbi has seized the phone of trump election attorney john eastman, a central figure in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. now cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles. ryan, good evening, sir, to you in washington. the seizure eastman's phone, that's a big development. it happened the same day that federal agents raided the home of jeffery clark. what's going on here? >> it is very significant, don, because it shows that the department of justice investigation into the efforts to overturn the election results and how it relates to january 6th is expanding. we know that john eastman was a central figure, primarily through the work of the january 6th select committee that he was the principle architect of this plan that was based on a pretty flimsy legal theory that the vice president had the ability
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to stand in the way of the election results. and according to eastman, we are getting this information from his side of things, he was out to dinner with his wife and a friend, approached by several fbi agents, they searched him, found his phone, they opened his phone using fair and impartial -- facial recognition software and then this access to that material. he is complying about it. he believes this was an illegal seizure of him. he is trying to prevent this information from being used in any future investigation. at this point the department of justice isn't commenting what they are hoping learn from eastman. >> sounds like a law and order episode. what sense of urgency are you seeing? this announcement of an additional hearing is very unexpected and we are learning about a security concern for a witness. >> yeah. there is a lot of intrigue around what the committee plans to do tomorrow at 1:00 eastern. there is a lot of intrigue in part because they had said they were ready to take a break, that they were -- had received a lot
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of information as a result of the hearings that they had conducted so far, they wanted to process the information and they were going to come back the mid of july with more hearings. sometime this afternoon announced they had come in possession of new information, some very explosive witness testimony and they wanted to get a hearing on the books as soon as possible and scheduled one for tomorrow at 1:00. what's important about this, don, is that these members are all out of town. they had left for a long july 4th recess. now many of them are scurrying to get back into town in preparation for this. so that shows you the urgency of this potential hearing and why it's important. you're right. they are very concerned about the security around at lest one of the witnesses that will appear tomorrow that's part of the reason that they have held all this information in such secrecy. we are also told that there has been changes to the hearing room tomorrow. people that were able to sit in certain places won't be able to have that luxury.
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there is a lot on the line with this hearing tomorrow and the expectations are very high. at this point the committee is doing nothing to downplay those expectations. >> come on, i know you know something. who is it? >> we have an idea of who it may be. we are not ready to report it quite yet. >> you're serious? you do have an idea. >> there is some reporting that cnn is not ready to confirm as of yet. but, you know, suffice to say that we know that the committee has had conversations with individuals who had a very close working relationship with high-level members of the administration, that their testimony is already proven to be a very important part of the committee's investigation and that some of these individuals we have already seen through part of their video depositions. so there is the distinct possibility that it could be


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