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bolduan, once a former aide to trump's chief of staff now a star with the innocence today's insurrection hearing. the biden administration set to unveil its abortion plan now after roe was overturned. and dozens of migrants found dead in an abandoned tractor trailer in texas. that is what we're watching at this hour. thank you for being here. we're two hours away from the january 6 committee's next public hearing. a surprise hearing that wasn't on the schedule this time yesterday. cnn has learned the committee plans to present what it described as recently obtained evidence, with live testimony from someone who was in the west wing with the capitol attack unfolding. her name is cassidy hutchinson. she's not a household name, until now, she's a former aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows. and hutchinson witnessed many of the key conversations and january 6 and around trump's
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efforts to overturn the 2020 election. let's get starts. kristen holmes is live. a lot of secrecy, kristen and this hearing and this witness and what we could learn today. >> reporter: kate, that's right, we're told in part that secrecy is actually about concerns about hutchinson's access to the testimony. given the proximity to trump's chief of staff mark meadows also proximity to events and sources described hutchinson as always by meadows' side. and given the urgency at which the committee brought this hearing it just goes to show you how explosive they believe that this testimony may be. >> reporter: her testimony had rattled capitol hill. >> are you aware of any other -- >> reporter: once awe top aide to former white house chief of staff mark meadows, cassidy
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hutchinson is now a key witness in the house january 6 investigation. giving hours of testimony in multiple sessions. >> mr. gaetz and mr. brooks, i know, both advocated for blanket pardons of all members involved in that meeting and a handful of members that weren't at the december 21st meeting as the preemptive pardons. mr. brooks did, and mr. -- >> reporter: hutchenson worked closely with meadows in the white house. sitting in on meetings and at times serving as a liaison between the former president's right hand and those seeks to reach him. representative biggs and perry 16ed seeking pardons. it proved critical. >> did you hear the white house counsel say that this plan to have alternate elects meet and cast votes for donald trump in states that he had lost was not
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legally sound? >> yes, sir. >> and who was present for that meeting, that you remember? >> mr. -- it was in our offices, mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and a few of mr. giuliani's associates. >> well, hello, deplorables! >> reporter: meadows who now refuses to be interviewed by the house committee once provided thousands of text messages in the early stages of the investigation. showing him at the center of trump's lies about the 2020 election and playing a lead role in attempting to stop biden's certification on january 6. events and conversations hutchinson had a front row seat to. >> who do you remember being involved in those early discussions around the thanksgiving time regarding have alternate electors meet? >> mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates. mr. meadows. members of congress, although it's difficult to distinguish if
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the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved as the it progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson testified that meadows warned that january 6 could turn violent. hutchinson has a history in republican politics, now in her 20s she previously worked for other high-profile conservatives intucluding ted cruz and scalis. hutchinson has been compared to john dean, nixon's white house counsels who watergate testimony helped to bring down nixon. whether or not that's an accurate comparison that's something we'll find out later today. kate. >> kristen, stick with me, joining me is cnn legal analyst
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elie honig. you consider hutchinson an important witness for the committee. why? >> we'll see how she does, but she has all the markers of really a perfect witness. for example, she had access, we know that, she was in the white house, close to mark meadows even in the piece we just saw, she provided information damaging to donald trump, mark meadows, rudy giuliani says she's well situated. she does not appear to have mixed emotions she's not running for election. her only self-interest is to tell the truth and get this over with. she's credible, in those clips that we saw she's very careful to say what she did and did not hear who at times was and was not present. and she can't be attacked as an anti-trumper, the only job she's had is working for republican politicians. she's sort of what prosecutors dream of in a witness on paper. we'll see how she does today. >> that's a good point. interesting how you laid that out. kristen, as you put together in
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the piece, she's spoken more than once, three times in closed hearings to the committee. the committee has played clips of her and testimony as we've seen. is it clear what, i don't know, the range or the scope of new information that she could provide that's pushing this committee to do this at the last minute? >> no, really right now, that's incredibly unclear. the committee has not laid out in any way what the focus or what they're looking at during this testimony or for this hearing. but one thing that we did see in the last several hearings through the video testimony is not just that she had almost this unprecedented access to both former chief of staff mark meadows and donald trump, that isn't itself is critical to the committee but that lawmakers and principals were talking to her directly. she talked about lawmakers going to her to discuss pardons. that means she was privy to conversations that were going on, not just a fly on the wall, but actually having these direct
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conversations. the other thing to look at is again the switching of attorneys. there's a question whether or not this allowed her to say more. that she wanted to say more and that's why she ended up doing that and that's how we got to this today. >> elie, what do you make of the emergency nature of this hearing, as an attorney and prosecutor yourself? >> it was a surprise. she's not an unknown pep she's spoken to the committee. we've seen her clips so she's not somebody who parachuted in here. i've been situation where is you have a piece of testimony that you feel is so important as a prosecutor you that just want to make sure you lock it in. we used to go to a grand jury, sometimes the same day. there may be an element that the committee feels is super important and not risk something happening. also, i'll tell you, it's really, really scary to testify. >> of course. >> let's remember the human element of this, this young adult is about to get in front of millions and millions of people on camera and testify probably against very powerful people. i've seen witnesses in less
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stressful situations say can we just get this over with? i can't sleep, you know, it's stressing me out. i just want this over with. there may be an element of that, too. >> and, kristen, we know that after initially turning over a ton of text messages to the committee, that mark meadows, her former boss that he stopped cooperating altogether with the investigation. is there any conversation that this -- that the move to bring hutchinson in today had something to do to try to get something more from mark meadows? >> well, one thing has been made very clear over the last several hearings. and that is view it both the text messages that mark meadows provided himself, thousands of text messages, as well as video testimony from dozens of witnesses, meadows weighs at the center of all of this. he was at the center of donald trump election lies in 2020. wells this attempt to stop biden from being certified. and that means that cassidy hutchinson was also at the center of all of that.
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again, we're told that she was always by his side. and the thing to point out here about those relationships is that she might actually prove to be a better witness than meadows himself. who will have hurdles in terms of loyalty to donald trump. or legal hurdles that they could throw at the committee. they clearly does not have that right now. in some ways having been there, be an observer having her job to be the person who sit back and take notes and watch these meetings, watch these conversations, she could prove to be a better witness than meadows himself. >> look. i feel for this person never been in the spotlight going before the committee i'm truly interested in what she is asked. there's also development, elie regarding another central figure in these hearings, who has become essential. john eastman. this is the attorney who is the architect of trump's scheme to put together the fake electors. the fbi seizing his phone last week. he's now suing to get it back.
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the video we've seen has come out. do you think this is significant? what is happening here with john eastman. what do you think they -- they already know, if they have made this move? >> i do think it's significant. this is not a move prosecutors take lightly. i can tell you for sure what they already know. they know they have probable cause to believe that some crime was committed. they know or were able to prove to a judge that it's likely there's evidence of that crime on his phone. and we know that a judge had to sign off to this. all three of those things are required to get a search warrant. so that's really quite significant. it tells me the bigger picture, doj is investigating. at least john eastman and jeffrey clark we heard about last week, as well. and it tells me that their investigation is expanding. they've still not charged anybody beyond the ground level, really, people who storm the capitol, but it does tell me they're looking at higher level players now. >> you're talking about jeffrey clark, now we learned that the day that eastman's phone was seized, jeffrey clark's home,
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the former trump doj official was searched by federal agents. what do you mauck of the timing? >> it seems that they're connected. it seems unlikely a coincicoinc. these two guys, clark and eastman are really the two, i'll say, brain trusts behind this, although i think some of what they did was disingenuous at best and illegal at worst. it shows me they're the legal architects to steal the election before anyone at the capitol. the attempt to steal the election before the law on the books. >> thank you. much more to come with regard to the latest election hearing. and the cnn coverage begins at noon eastern. much more of that ahead. coming up still for us, the biden administration is unveiling what move it's now making to respond to the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. you see right there, the house secretary is making the announcement today. details in a live report, next.
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♪ happening right now, health secretary javier becerra is holding a press conference announcing the biden administration's action plan on abortion and reproductive services after the supreme court's decision overturning roe v. wade. becerra is laying out what support the federal government is offering, what changes they're making what moves they want to make to offer to help women who may not live in states where abortion services are illegal. cnn's jeremy diamond is live listening into the remarks made from the announcement. jeremy, what moves are they making? >> reporter: well, kate, this announcement is ongoing. what we do know the secretary of
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health and human services javier becerra is making it here that hhs is doing everything they can to make sure women can access abortion services where it's legal. he says they're going to take steps to increase action to medical abortion directing the office of civil rights at hhs to ensure patient privacy. we also know that the department is looking to help women travel out of state because it's now illegal in their state to access abortion services to help those women travel to other states, to states where it is legal, to be able to access those services. but the secretary of health and human services making it very clear today, quote, there is no magic bullet to addressing this ruling by the supreme court which overturned 50 years of legal precedent, guaranteeing abortion rights in this country. and so, the secretary of health and human services, one of several cabinet secretaries in the biden administration now working to try and find ways so
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that women can still access those abortion services even if it is illegal in the their state, the department of justice -- >> seem to have lost the live shot from jeremy diamond. some technical difficulties there. jeremy, thank you very much. we're continuing to monitor that press conference with the health secretary as it's ongoing. in the meantime joining me on the decision and fallout from the supreme court, alberto gonzales, the attorney general of george w. bush, now the dean of university of law. good to see you. thank you for being here. >> good morning, we're listening in what what javier bass sarah is saying the government is doing now. i do want to ask you in response to the supreme court's decision. in general, what was your reaction to the majority opinion in that 6-3 decision? >> you know, i think like most americans, i believe there should be a constitutional right
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of privacy. certain decisions could be subject to protection. i think the issue that the majority of the court had, and i think for many americans, myself included, that right should be based upon the constitution. and i think if you read justice alito's opinion, i think it's pretty evident that he felt this is not a right -- constitutional right, this should be borne out of vote on the supreme court. it should be reflected in the will of the people by a constitutional amendment. either at the federal level or the state level. you know. so i think most americans believe in the right of privacy. the question is how is that right to be borne? and i think where the court had issues, alito and the other conservatives on the court, was the fact that the right of
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privacy, those words don't appear in the constitution. so, you know, i think, obviously, a lot of anger towards the court. i think that anger should be directed to energy in terms of getting constitution language passed at the state level and the federal level. it's much easier at the state level than the federal level. requires two-thirds vote, both houses of congress or state legislatures in terms of proposing an amendment. of course, to get it ratified you need three quarters vote by the state. so it's a very difficult process. but i think it's the right process to deal with this controversial explosive kind of issue. >> do you think the court went too far in striking down roe as the chief justice clearly thought? >> i happen to -- i'm like the chief justices in terms of changes.
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in terms of precedent, as chief justice roberts said, it's a jolt to society. when you've got a precedent and society relies on it for a long period of time, there's certain expectations that arise. so, you know, it's a jolt to our system. and that's why precedent, respect for precedent, is so very important. because it's at the supreme court level. now, there are reasons why precedent should be overruled from time to time. because sometimes, the court gets it wrong. and so, sometimes, you know, for example, if you have a decision by the court that is simply unworkable, unaccepted by society, then there are reasons to ignore precedent. but i think, on average, i think, assigned it, the court overrules precedent once a year. so, they consider precedent very, very important. and i think that's the jarring
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part of what happened here last friday. >> and we're definitely seeing that in the aftermath. now, you talk about precedent, when you talk about precedent, we have to talk about justice thomas' concurring opinion. he stated that the court has a duty now to re-examine other big past precedent, in relation to contraception and gay rights. democrats say that is only a matter of time. they say what thomas has kind of called the court to do is going to happen. let me play for you what the vice president told dana bash. >> i definitely believe this is not over. i do. i think heat is quiet out loud. i think we just don't understand the significance of what just happened. this is profound. >> but there are have been a lot of republicans saying, attorney general, that the court is not going to go there. do you think they will?
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>> i think they may go there. now, justice alito went out of his way to make it clear, this is different, because it involves an unborn human being, a fetus. and that makes it different from, say, contraceptives or getting married. if in fact these other decisions are based upon this right of privacy, that's why i think it's important to look at constitutional amendments both at the state and federal level. >> that's going to come -- you talk about a jolt, saying what's going to happen, that comes with democrats saying that's a jolt to exactly what's going to happen. >> well, i can't say for the court, they may have different views about these other areas, but it's something that i i'd be concerned about. again, it's just focusing solely on the issues of abortion. if you want to deal with that probably the best way to protect the women's right to choose,
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would be with respect to a constitutional amendment or statute. >> the immediate aftermath of this is beginning or feeling like at least chaos. what laws are being triggered in what places what laws are being blocked by countersuit, if you will. what is legal and who is held responsible in places where the trigger laws are put in place now. for example, axios has been reporting, attorney general, if law enforcement demands that where in states where it's illegal. they're reporting that tech companies will likely hand it over. period tracking apps are a big area of focus. do you think this is a real possibility? do you think companies are going to hand this data over to law enforcement? >> i think companies at the general are pretty sensitive to maintaining privacy. the privacy information of their clients, their users, so
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important they'll do that remains to be seen. i just don't know. but, again, this kind of chaos will arise when in fact there is precedent that overrides long-standing behavior in our society. and i think it is one of the considerations that the court takes into account when deciding whether or not they want to overrule precedent. how long has society relied upon this? and the fact that this has been around for 50 years, this protection for 50 years, i think has resulted in this kind of chaos and uncertainty. and it's going to take a while. people are angry right now. but as i said earlier, i think one way to address this, perhaps the most effective way to address this is to redirect your energy. and try to get the protection that is necessary and important. to get that protection enshrined in the state constitution, where it's much easier to do that. and/or the federal constitution.
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>> real quick before you go, i know you've been quite watching it closely. we have the surprise insurrection hearing coming up in just two hours from now. and this witness is mark meadows' former assistant cassidy hutchinson. she was in the west wing on the day when the attack unfolded. she's considered kind of a star witness for this committee now. what do you think she could provide? >> i have idea. obviously, i'm assuming that most, if not all of everything that she can provide today has already been provided through testimony. but there is a difference, quite frankly, watching someone live. someone live answering questions. just to get -- there's just -- i think there's more information in terms of providing more information to an audience. and so, you know, but in terms of anything new, we'll have to wait and see. there may be -- you know, her memory may have been jolted by something else that was said during the hearings.
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she may now have new information. i don't know what that might be. but this may simply be, again -- i don't want to say a rehash, but, again, her talking about things that she's already communicated to the committee. but perhaps the committee has discovered, or decided there are different ways to ask a question. that might jar a memory, or might get a different information. so, you know, i have no idea what might arise as a result of this hearing today. >> well, the good news is, you and i both know, we won't be guessing much longer. the hearing will begin in two hours and we can see it together. thank you again, attorney general. we'll see you. president biden will be meeting with turkey's president. can he convince him to support new members joining nato finally? details in a live report, nenex.
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ukraine. cnn's kaitlan collins is live in madrid, for us, she ha more. what have we heard from the president so far, kaitlan? >> reporter: yeah, this is first stop he's making after arriving here in madrid. obviously going to the meetings with the king of spain. he was greeted earlier with the president, greeted earlier by the king. kate, he's got the formal dinners tonight. tomorrow is when they're going to expand into the bigger meetings with the other world leaders gathered here for the nato summit. one of the bigger aspects that is looming over it and that the white house has just confirmed that president biden and the turkish president erdogan will come face-to-face on the sideline of these meetings. that is something that people are watching closely because so far nato has been the only country standing in the way of sweden and finland able to join nato. that is a move they made very quickly after russia invaded ukraine. it's remarkable steps that happened in a much faster time line than a lot of world experts
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could assumed would be likely. that is how much the russian invasion, russian war in ukraine, has changed the geopolitical dynamic. so there are going to be a lot of eyes watching to see how the meeting with president biden and president erdogan goes. the white house has been optimistic, at the end of the day, they will appease erdogan, and issues of finland and sweden admitted into nato. of course, the ultimate outcome has to be seen if he actually does come to agreement on that because it has to be unanimous decision by these leaders. president biden has a slew of meetings. and just like the meetings that he came in, kate, so many of these are focused on ukraine. a year ago that wouldn't have been but now it's the subject looming over every discussion he has with every world leader. >> absolutely. good to see you, kaitlan, thank you continuing to follow president biden's meetings,
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likely what he's saying there with spain's prime minister. ukraine's president is now calling an attack on a crowded shopping mall an act of terror. at least 18 people have been killed, more than two dozen others are missing. >> translator: in peaceful setting, an ordinary shopping mall with ordinary citizens inside. only totally insane terrorists who should have no place on earth can strike missiles at such an object. >> now, cnn's salma abdelaziz has the very latest from ukraine. >> kate, search and rescue operations are still under way to try to pull survivors out of the ruins of that mall, if there are any survivors left. now, what we understood happened and this is according to president zelenskyy, is yesterday afternoon, a thousand people were packed in that mall, going on about their ordinary lives. i have to note here this is a city nowhere near the front lines. nowhere near the battleground.
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while those people were in that mall, air raid sirens went off. people started to evacuate, and that's when a russian missile struck the building. causing a huge explosion, of course. setting off a fire that raged for hours. we understand there's over a dozen people killed so far. several others wounded and some who are missing. president zelenskyy is clear, he's accusing moscow here of targeting innocents. russia claims it was hitting a weapons depot. but president zelenskyy calls it an act of terrorism. and he's called for an emergency u.n. security council meeting. but it's a continuation of something we've seen over the last several days which is as president biden has met with world leaders as the two major summits have been held, first the g7 and now the nato summit, of course, president putin's military has escalated its attacks on ukraine. hitting the country with dozens of missiles by air, land and sea. now, the message appears to be clear here that president putin can target ukraine. anywhere, anytime.
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kate. >> salma, thank you so much for that. joining me now is bill taylor, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. it's good to see you again, ambassador. let's start with what salma was talking about. this attack on the mall in ukraine, zelenskyy calling it an act of terror. it's nowhere near the front lines. any of the front lines and ukraine says it's nowhere near any military installations. what does an attack like this mean at this point in the war? there's been so much bloodshed and clearly it's an ongoing humanitarian crisis, but an attack like this. >> it's horrible, kate. it is just horrible. i was just having a conversation with ukrainians this morning about this. and they make the point that this kind of atrocity, this kind of attack on civilian targets only serves to increase their determination. their anger, but also their
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determination, that they're going to win this fight. the ukrainians take from this an inspiration. they know why they don't want to be under russian control. and so they will fight even harder after these kinds of atrocities. . >> that's important context, because there's also this new reporting from some of knew cnn colleagues that biden administration officials, that they're now losing confidence that ukraine can win back all of the territory that it's lost to russia, since the invasion began. advisers now kind of debating internally whether zelenskyy should start shifting his definition of victory to accept the possibility his country has shrunk irreversibly. what do you think of that? >> i think that's wrong. i'm not even sure that's happening. there may be some people outside of the government that are having conversations with people inside the government. that are making those suggestions, but i think that's a mistake. i think that president
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zelenskyy, and the ukrainian people, are the only ones that can make any decisions about ukrainian territory. they are the only ones that can decide when to negotiate. and now is just not the time to talk about negotiations. negotiations will come when probably both sides are ready. we see that president putin is not interested in negotiations. and president zelenskyy has made it very clear that until the ukrainian military pushes their russians back, at least to the borders. to the lines, that existed on februar february 24th, that he's not ready to negotiate either. he's not ready to reward the russians for this aggression. so, i think it's a mistake to be talking about negotiations. and, by the way, kate, we remember that president biden, in his op-ed piece in "the new york times" said he would not put pressure on the ukrainians to negotiate a way, any
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territory, either publicly or privately, had was very clear about that and i think that's the right message. >> yeah. and it seems to be the difference between internal conversations and external, you know, decided narratives, right? because according to these officials, they're also in the same breath emphasizing the there hasn't been any u.s. plans to make territorial recessions to russia, but again, ongoing. w but i want to ask you what kaitlan was reporting about the russian meeting. the president is in spain meeting with nato allies. and president biden is going to be meeting with turkey's president tomorrow. all eyes kind of on that, of what could come, as turkey continues to stand in the way of this membership. you've been optimistic, i believe that they will eventually gain nato membership. what do you think it's going to take at this point now? >> so, kate, i think we've even
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seen something this morning that feeds my optimism, that this problem, this question, will be resolved. and maybe even at this meeting, at this summit, at this nato meeting in madrid tomorrow, nato allies and the nato leaders in their final statement, will welcome the beginning of the process for sweden and finland to join. we're hearing something that this morning that the turks may be moving in that direction. and you're exactly right. when president biden meets with mr. erdogan, president erdogan, they will have this conversation. but it looks like it's going to in the right direction. and that will be a big thing for nato. to add sweden and finland, with that capability, that commitment to democracy and defense that will make nato stronger. and that will make the support for ukraine even stronger. >> and hugely increase the border, the nato border, along russia. it's good to see you, ambassador, as always. thank you so much.
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get out of the truck. remember, we are in texas where there's sweltering heat here. and the temperatures have been going up to the triple digits. now, authorities here have been calling this a tragic incident. take a listen to what the mayor of san antonio said this morning. >> this is probably the worst tragedy in terms of migrant -- migration that i know at least in recent history. and the people that are responsible for subjecting other people to these conditions should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> reporter: now, three people are in custody, according to authorities. so it's unclear what exactly their connection is to the incident. but it, kate, now a federal investigation. >> it's good to see you, priscilla, thank you very much for bringing that to us. still ahead for us, investigators are on the scene of another deadly scene. a deadly amtrak train derailment in missouri. we're going to take you there for a live report, next.
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hit a truck. someone was crossing the tracks. >> that is the voice of a passenger immediately after the amtrak train that he was riding in derailed in missouri yesterday afternoon. three people were killed, dozens of people were injured. more than 200 were on the train when it slammed into a dump truck. cnn's pete muntean is near the scene in mendon, missouri, and is joining us now. pete, what are you seeing there? what is the very latest on this? >> reporter: national transportation safety board investigators, a go team of 14
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have arrived here this morning. they very quickly made a very key finding, that the railroad crossing is what is called an uncontrolled railroad crossing. that means no flashing lights, no retractible barriers, known to be especially dangerous in the railroad community. that dump truck that was on that crossing was hit with some force that it was practically pulverized. the truck separated from the chassis. the driver of that truck is one of the three that died in this incident. i want you to listen and look at some of this incredible video from passenger robert nightengale, one of the passengers on board this train. he was pretty able to quickly figure out that this train hit a truck, although he was in shock. passengers describe it as happening in slow motion. listen now. >> [ bleep ]. >> don't step on the glass. >> we're okay. >> are you all right?
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>> yes, sir. looks like -- >> reporter: ntsb investigators will no doubt look at video from passengers and the hard-wired camera on all amtrak trains. ntsb will look at the tracks themselves, the speed, if there was an effort to slow down and stop with this dump truck on the tracks. one bright spot is that boy scouts, two troops were onboard this train. they were miraculously uninjured and they rendered help to some of the injured onboard this train after this very grisly collision, kate. >> absolutely. the pictures are really something. it's good to see you. thanks, pete. coming up for us, jeffrey epstein's long-time companion,
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what's happening? >> reporter: well, the sentencing hearing is taking place here in downtown manhattan. maxwell is conceivably in court along with up to eight victims. it's really truly the first time they are altogether in that courtroom. there will be victim impact statements that are probably happening at this point. there may be argument with both seeds. maxwell will be able to beg for mercy with the judge if she wants to. they are asking for 30 to 55 years. the u.s. department of probation is asking for 20 years. max maxwell is asking for 4 to 5 years. the u.s. attorney's office is saying these heinous crimes with these victims, she was the one that got them for epstein. she molded them. she made normalcy of relations with epstein. she bought them presents. she gave them money. they have an operation. they had a playbook.
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she was convicted on five of the six felony counts. this could be a life term, kate. >> jean, thank you so much. that can be coming any moment now and we'll bring it to you when it does. appreciate it. thank you for being with us at this hour. i'm kate bolduan. cnn's special coverage of the capitol insurrection hearing begins right now. we are awaiting the start of a new hearing by the january 6 select committee, roughly announced 24 hours ago. a key witness to many critical events and conversations inside the trump white house is expected to testify today. this is cnn's live coverage, attack on democracy, the january 6 hearings. i'm anderson cooper in washington. >> and i'm jake tapper. the rush to hold this hearing and the secrecy surrounding it suggests that the house select committee


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