tv New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar CNN June 29, 2022 4:00am-5:00am PDT
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the headlines and we are talking in big letters. this is the big font spelling out the new possible legal jeopardy the former president trump finds himself in this morning. cassidy hutchinson a once loyal and trusted insider painting a damning portrait of a former president that was unhinged before and during the capitol attack. she describes a volatile and irate president who knew members of the crowd at his rally were armed and he still wanted them to march to the capitol. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't effing care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the effing mags away. let my people in, they can march the capitol from here. >> this morning you will hear from an array of attorneys including several former federal prosecutors who will explain the significance of that testimony. a kogd to hutchinson former white house counsel pat cipollone warned about the
criminal liability that trump and others might face even before his rally. this morning vice chair liz cheney calling for cipollone to testify on the record. and this morning is a whole new possible avenue of investigation, witness tampering, this after cheney revealed messages received by some witnesses before their depositions. joining us now one of those former federal prosecutors we just promised, cnn senior legal analyst ellie honing. we played that sound, cassidy hutchinson saying she heard with her own ears donald trump saying that he wanted those people at his rally who he was told they were armed to get in and march to the capitol. >> yeah, john, to me that was the single most important and incriminating piece of testimony that we heard yesterday. this is firsthand testimony from cassidy hutchinson. it's the cleanest link we have so far between donald trump and the violence that ensued. this established he knew that crowd was not just angry, but armed. he knew they were not there to harm him. in fact, he felt secure enough
that he said you can take down the mags, the metal detectors and he knew they were headed for the capitol. we have seen that speech that he made moments later on the ellipse, this puts that speech we're going to fight like hell, go to the capitol or else you won't have a country anymore this puts that speech in a whole new context. when you're thinking potential crimes, seditious conspiracy that means to try to interfere with a lawful function of government, counting the ballots in congress certainly counts by force. up until now that's been in question. if you credit cassidy hutchinson's testimony you have that force element. >> because he knew they were armed, knew they were trying to get into the mags and they couldn't. >> absolutely. that's what makes this a stronger potential case on seditious conspiracy. >> cassidy hutchinson also testified what she heard from the white house counsel, pat cipollone. listen. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch
with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? >> in the days leading up to the 6th we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. >> so first of all, a plus lawyering by pat cipollone there, he is right on the potential crimes that they're committing, obstruction, conspiracy, things you and i have been talking about virtually every day on this program. it is remarkable to hear that the senior-most lawyer, the white house counsel, recognized while this was happening we are engaged in a crime spree. every crime on the books. and it raises this important question, who else did pat cipollone say that to? i think it's hard to believe that the only person he told was a then 24-year-old staffer. did cipollone say that to mark meadows? did he say it to donald trump? realistically the only way we will find that out is from pat cipollone but he pretty clearly is not going to be testifying in the committee, he doesn't want
to. the committee doesn't seem to have the political will to try to force him. prosecutors could, they have much stronger subpoenas and they have much better ability to go into court to try to force him. john, the contrast here between an experienced d.c. veteran, a powerful person like pat cipollone, many others, mark meadows who refuse to testify and cassidy hutchinson, this young professional who did something extraordinarily courageous and patriotic yesterday, it was hard to miss that. >> courageous testifying before the committee and before the country given what liz cheney told us at the end of the hearing, what she says she is seeing evidence of possible witness tampering. listen to this. >> well, what they said to me is as long as i continue to be a team player, this he know i'm on the right team, i'm doing the right thing, i'm protecting who i need to protect. you know i will continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and they have reminded me a couple of times that trump does
read transcripts. >> a lot of people have observed that that's how a mob boss talks. i have prosecuted actual mob bosses here in new york city that is how they talk. down what else is mob-like about this, it wasn't the boss, it wasn't donald trump conveying that message directly to cassidy hutchinson, it was some unnamed intermediary. that's how they do it. now, first of all, if we can prove who said that, that is textbook witness tampering, obstruction of justice so doj ought to be taking a look at this. the other thing s remember, we were asking a few days ago why the emergency hearing? why this unscheduled hearing suddenly appearing? i believe it's because they feared if somebody got in cassidy hutchinson's ear, a simple well-placed sentence could have knocked her off path, intimidated her and took away her ability to testify. >> ellie honing, thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate it. the secret service thrust into the spotlight by cassidy hutchinson's testimony about an irate president trump on january
6th. officials say the agents involved with ready to testify under oath and dispute her account of an attack in the president's limo. cnn's josh campbell is live in washington. josh, we should be clear, he was riding in the suv that day, it's also the beast, it's also a protected armored vehicle, a different vehicle than perhaps people are used to seeing. what is the secret service saying? >> brianna, there were several stunning allegations that we learned of yesterday including this incident that occurred as the president was preparing to leave in his motorcade from the rally to head to the capitol. it's the fact that he was intending to go to the capitol that is key here. i will get to that in a minute. what this witness testified, cassidy hutchinson yesterday, was that she was briefed after the fact by tony ornato who was then deputy white house chief of staff, currently an executive with the secret service and what she said was he told her that inside the vehicle as trump was getting ready to leave he thought he was going to the capitol, the head of his security detail said, sir, we
actually have to go to the west wing. this is not a secure environment, there was some kind of altercation allegedly trump had tried to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle at one point lunging towards one of his security agents. now, an official with the secret service tells me that tony ornato disputes that and says that, no, he never briefed cassidy hutchinson on that incident, we're also told that the lead agent who was inside the vehicle says that the incident never happened. we're told that the department of homeland security after hearing this yesterday the secret service and dhs reached out to the select committee and said we want to make these witnesses available to testify. a spokesperson for the committee tells our colleague ryan nobles that the committee trusts the credibility of a witness who is willing to testify under oath and in public but is also willing to hear any information that others may have that would aid in their investigation. now, ms. hutchinson's lawyer also is challenging the secret service saying that they need to testify under oath. of course, that's important here. she's out here testifying in her
own name under oath under penalty of perjury. we haven't heard secret service officials doing that related to this incident. so that will be key to watch to see how that unfolds. but again getting back to the idea that trump was heading to the capitol, i think that is the key issue here, the rest of this is somewhat of a sideshow perhaps, but we know based on that testimony yesterday that there were people in the crowd that were armed, we heard the radio traffic from officers actually one the voice of one desperate officer radioing we need to alert the presidential protective detail that there is an armed gunman in a tree. they need to be on high alert. so despite the fact that you had people in this crowd with weapons, trump was still trying to lead this group towards the united states capitol. i think that is key here, again, one of many revelations that we heard yesterday in this very stunning testimony. >> and trying to get the magnometers, the medical detectors out of the way for them to come into the rally area closer to where he was. josh campbell, thank you so much. >> thanks. so there were 15 times in
this hearing that we learned that the potential for violence was discussed before january 6th. listen. >> he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there's a lot going on, cass, but, i don't know, things might get real, real bad on january 6th. >> he had expressed to me that he was concerned that it could spiral out of control. >> mr. donohue testified in our hearings last week, the email identifies apparent planning by those coming to washington on january 6th to, quote, occupy federal buildings and discussions of, quote,en vagd the capitol building. their intelligence division sent several emails to white house personnel including certain materials listing events like those on the screen. unlike previous post-election protests, the targets of the pro-trump supporters are not
necessarily the counterprotesters as they were previously, but rather congress itself is the target on the 6th. >> he had asked if he could speak with mr. meadows about potential words of violence that he was hearing that were potentially going to happen on the hill on january 6. >> i just remember mr. or nat toe coming in and saying we had intel reports that there could potentially be violence on the 6th. >> you also told us about reports of violence and weapons that the secret service were receiving on the night of january 5th and throughout the day on january 6th. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> i've got three men walking down the street in fatigues carrying ar-15s. copy 14 for independence. >> i remember tony mentioning knives, guns in the form of pistols and rifles, bear spray, body armor, spears and flag poles. >> so ms. hutchinson, is it your
understanding that mr. or nat toe told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6th? >> that's what mr. or nat toe relayed to me. >> ornato in one phone conversation had called me and said make sure the chief knows that they're getting closer to the capitol. they're having trouble stacking bodies. >> there were many discussions the morning of the 6th about the rhetoric of the speech that day. in my conversations with mr. herschmann he had relayed that we would be foolish to include language that had been included at the president's request. both mr. herschmann and white house counsel's office were urging the speech writers to not include that language for legal concerns and also for the optics of what it could portray the president wanting to do that day. >> when president trump left the ellipse stage at 1:10 the staff knew that rioters had invaded the inaugural stage and capitol police were calling for all
available officers to respond. >> once the president had gotten into the vehicle with bobby, he thought that they were going up to the capitol and when bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do t it's not secure, we're going back to the west wing, the president had very strong, very angry response to that. >> here with us now former federal prosecutor daniel goldman lead counsel for former president trump's first impeachment, he is now running for congress in new york and danya perry. a witness swears to this under oath, what do you do with it as a former federal prosecutor? if a witness told you this, that would set off what? >> it makes the case. i mean, she is a witness who has no ax to grind against the former president or any of the targets.
she is not motivated to testify against him. she had everything to lose in testifying and she went out there, she was clear, she was strong and she gave some very damning testimony. as, you know, we had heard about -- as she said -- from pat cipollone, there were all kinds of crimes that they were potentially on the hook for, but what we heard from her yesterday was seditious conspiracy. >> why? >> we heard that this was something -- you know, there's an effort to defraud the united states, there's an effort to impede or hinder the electoral votes, those are serious crimes, but to do that by force, that's when you get into sedition and that is one of the most serious crimes that is in the statute books and we heard about the
knowing use of force that trump himself and some of those around him weaponized this crowd, this mob, and sent them in there knowing that they were going essentially to use force to stop the count. and that's as serious as it gets and she was very clear in her testimony. >> so let's take that on the flip side. she's your star witness, you are a federal prosecutor, what are the vulnerabilities in your case in pursuing one against former donald trump with her as your star witness? >> well, a lot of what she said is hearsay and it's probably not admissible. every time she was saying what ornato said to her you would need ornato's actual testimony. so it was incredibly sensational, incredibly powerful, it paints a picture of a completely deranged and unhinged president of the united states. in fact, for me this testimony
is what you would want in a trial to bring the evidence to life. i actually think legally there's a lot of other sort of more technical testimony about what donald trump's knowledge was, especially as it relates to the coup, but what she said yesterday just paints this really vivid picture and if you were to go to trial you want both. you want the technical evidence to get there, but you also want the impactful powerful evidence. >> let's be clear. in a trial let's talk about what would have been struck, right? there is no valet talking even about what happened with the ketchup on the wall and what caused that, right? >> you have to get more people to testify to that. >> the entire incident inside the beast, that's -- you would have to get that from somebody else? >> right. i mean, yes, but this is, again -- that's not critical evidence. i mean, it's great fun for us, i mean, not fun, but it's wild evidence to hear that this is
the president of the united states grabbing the steering wheel of his car, throwing a hamburger against the wall, but it is -- it is not evidence that is going to make or break the case. what to me jumped out so much from this is, yes, of course his knowledge of violence. i'm not quite yet at seditious conspiracy because i'm closer there with mark meadows who wanted to go to the willard hotel the night before and clearly knew that there was something going on that he wanted to be a part of, and i think there's a lot more to investigate as it relates to mark meadows, but donald trump gets -- this gets him closer to obstructing congress, this connects him to the violence, this makes him know that the violence that was going to the capitol to interfere with the electoral count was going to happen and that is obstruction of congress. we've already talked on this show about my views that he should be charged with conspiracy to overturn the election, but what really -- and
i think ellie really put it so plainly earlier, that is just so remarkable is the number of times that donald trump was approached to say, hey, things are really bad, we need to stop it, and rather than stop it, he wanted to go there and join it. >> merrick garland, i mean, what is he thinking this morning? put yourself in merrick garland's seat, and it's not an easy one to be in at this point, but what do you think he's weighing? >> he -- it's been a question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now. it's hard to listen to that testimony and say we'll take a pass. whether it's seditious conspiracy, whether it's dee spear si to defraud the united states, he's got to be looking at this, it checks off a lot of elements of a lot of these crimes and as dan said it also
tells the story in very human, dramatic terms. the ketchup on the wall, first of all, that's almost a textbook case of circumstantial evidence, right? don't they charge the jury with that, you can -- you can consider that evidence, you hear angry voices, you walk in, there's ketchup dripping down the wall, but that is the kind of thing that grabs a jury's attention. so we had all of that. we have actually, you know, ticking off the boxes for what criminal conspiracy is and then we have someone filling in a lot of the details that will matter to a jury. and, yeah, as dan pointed out, we do need other testimony. this should hopefully light a fire under some of these other witnesses. >> yeah, i mean, i think it makes merrick garland's job easier. i think in the end what these hearings are doing is it is
making it easier former rick garland to charge the case because, remember, if -- when the doj charges the case it is in an indictment, it is in a piece of paper and you don't actually hear the evidence or know what's going on and in a federal trial it would not be on television. so we would never really see as the public what all the evidence is until the actual trial. but now we've seen the most powerful and sensational and we've heard it and we understand it and there is a visual. so if and when merrick garland charges it, the public understands what he's charging and i think that makes his job easier. >> danya, daniel, thank you both so much for being with us this morning. so how house republicans are privately reacting to the revelations made during this hearing, all of this that you just heard. also, stephanie grisham will be with us, the former trump white house press secretary and communications director, she says testimony of the former president's aggressive behavior
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i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, pat, he thinks mike deserves t he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> the testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson about former president trump's actions on january 6th. some republican lawmakers tell cnn they are privately stunned and disturbed by the new revelations. one of the keywords there is privately, the other of course is the stunned part. joining us now cnn's melanie zanona responsible for some of this reporting live in washington. tell us what you're hearing. >> john, you are so right to point put the difference between what they're saying publicly and
privately. publicly republicans have really tried to down play this testimony, but privately quite a few of them had admitted to me that they think this is really damaging testimony and they were particularly alarmed by the fact that trump knew the crowd was armed and dangerous and that he egged them on anyway. in fact, wanted to join them at the capitol. i had one senior house republican, someone who did not vote for impeachment we should point out told me they thought there would be indictments after this testimony potential for mark meadows or trump himself. another republican was joking with me after watching the hearing they wanted to throw their lunch against the wall which is something we heard trump apparently did whenever he was angry. another republican said they thought this hearing shed light on trump's state of mind on january 6. they said this does show how emotionally trump was in the january 6 events. he really cared about what was happening at the capitol. he wanted to be a part of it. now, again, the fact that they are not saying it on the record i think is also really telling.
as of right now there are no signs that trump's support at least on capitol hill is waning and all these republicans that i talked to also said that they still don't think any of this is going to matter in the upcoming midterms. at the very least it seems like for the first time republicans privately are acknowledging that there could be some legal repercussions for trump and or his allies, john and brianna. >> that is interesting that they are saying it privately not publicly yet. melanie, thank you very much. and joining us now is former trump white house press secretary communications director and former chief of staff to first lady melania trump stephanie grisham. stephanie, what was the biggest thing that stood out to you about the testimony yesterday? >> well, good morning, guys. thank you for having me on. for me it was the fact that he was told multiple times over and over again that people were armed and he still went on stage and directed them to the capitol where his vice president and, you know, many americans were.
so that was the big take away. i know that there was a lot of cassidy's testimony that was kind of bombshell stuff, but i think that that was the biggest take away and i hope people will focus on that rather than some of the other more colorful aspects of her testimony. >> we talked with former federal prosecutors and they all say that testimony that the president had been told they were armed at his rally, said he didn't care, still wanted them allowed in and to march the capitol legally that might be the most personalityth pertinent thing. you said the other stuff was sensational but may not be too foreign to you given what you experienced over four years. she testified to the rage that she either saw or heard about from donald trump. what did you see on that front? >> yeah, i think that, you know, for me i think i'm kind of numb to it. so all of it rang true to me, his temper, her explanation of his temper and the things that
she heard, him demanding to the capitol and saying i'm the president, take me there. i was at the receiving end of his ire many times and as i've said many times before, his temper is swift and it is -- it's cruel. it's cruel and all of that rang true to me. also him demanding to go to the capitol like i said. you know, when i spoke to the committee a lot of the things i talked to them about was that day and how things would have worked operationally, and when i gave my testimony tony ornato's name came up quite a bit. i do hope that he is going to come forward and testify under oath because then he will have to tell us did the president know that people were armed because of all the people tony ornato will know those details. >> really fascinating. they certainly want to hear from him. this idea of him going to the capitol, stephanie, what would that have even looked like? >> well, it would have been a very quick otr, but i am sure
just from my own experience this is just me talking, i don't know this for a fact, i'm sure that they had planned something earlier and were ready with some kind of a loose route to the capitol. you know, at the end of the day the president can say i want to go here. now, if the secret service sees that there is an actual danger or threat they can say no to him, but for the most part if the president wants to do an otr that is allowed because he is still a human being that should be able to move about freely. so i think that -- i think very much that it also rang true to me that mark meadows kept telling the president that was still an option and left it to bob engel his lead agent to tell him the bad news. >> stephanie, on the subject of the president, the former president not stepping in to try to stop the violence as it was happening on january 6 there is an episode that you have written about before, but yesterday you actually posted screenshots of the text exchange you had with the former first lady melania trump where you asked her, you
say, you know, do you want to release a statement saying that basically violence is bad and she writes back to you one word, no. why is this important to you? >> for me it was really important because, you know, over the years working with melania trump i was able to go to her, you know, she was the first person in our entire administration who condemned charlottesville and often i would go able to go to her and say this is bad and she would even pick up the phone and call her husband and talk her down from something or she would put out a statement well ahead of the west wing to set a tone saying this is not okay. that day when i sent her that text, you know, the text i wanted her to say wasn't even political, it was just saying everybody has the right to peaceful protest but there is no room for violence, and she just said no. it just made me think she knew something. it made me think she knew that perhaps her husband was going to be down there. she knew something ahead of
time. i don't know this for a fact but, again, knowing her as well as i did at that point it was so unlike her to not have condemned it that that was the moment it all kind of broke me, that's what i wrote in the book, and i resigned immediately afterwards. yesterday hearing cassidy's testimony i just -- i felt compelled to show that text because it was -- it was a lot of context, i thought, and, again, knowing melania like i did i was so disappointed and discouraged and sickened that she wouldn't stand up and just say simply there should be no violence. >> stephanie grisham, thank you for speaking with us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. this hearing further highlights the legal risks for donald trump. a former deputy attorney general is going to join us with his thoughts. and a new element just in from the vatican. what happened with house speaker nancy pelosi there after an archbishop in the united states denied giving her communion over her position on abortion. only two things are forever:
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i recall hearing the word oath keeper and hearing the word proud boys closer to the planning of the january 6 rally when mr. giuliani would be around. >> cassidy hutchinson testifying that she heard the names of two far right groups the proud boys and the oath keepers leading up to the insurrection. dozens of people connected to the proud boys have been arrested for their alleged participation in the capitol riot and leaders of both groups have been charged with seditious conspiracy. liz cheney said the white house received updates about the proud boys' planned demonstrations. joining us now is former deputy attorney general under president george h.w. bush and former u.s. attorney donald ayer. thank you for being with us this morning. is the former president more likely to be charged or i guess to put it to you would you charge him? >> well, it's not for me to
charge him or not charge him, but i do think the answer is that this evidence is very significant and it builds on everything we've already heard. and the most significant thing about all the evidence and yesterday was no exception is that it shows donald trump to be the principal person who is driving each phase of this effort to overturn the election and even more importantly or at least as importantly he is doing it over the vehement and direct objections, repeated objections, of his own staff and his own experts. and so on the issue of intent, we're building an enormous amount of evidence that he was the driving force, he knew what he was doing and he was going to do it come hell or high water. >> the principal force, the driving force you say. now, put that in historical perspective for us. when you have at that point a sitting president of the united states as the driving force to
overturn the election, just historically speaking what does that mean? >> what about you? >> no, i was saying historically speaking where does that place donald trump in history in your mind if he was, as you say, the driving force, the principal actor in trying to overturn an election? >> well, there's no doubt that this situation is completely unprecedented in our history. we have a civil war where a whole region decided for their own various concerns that she wanted to separate, but there's no -- there's no precursor to a president actively working, persistent over months and especially over the last several weeks to personally, you know, reach the result of overturning a legitimate election. there's simply no precedent for it. >> i want to listen to something that cassidy hutchinson was saying about pardons being
sought by rudy giuliani and also mark meadows. let's listen. >> did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> he did. >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> donnell, what does that signify to you that they were both seeking pardons? >> well, it signifies that they had a real consciousness that they were at risk and i think other parts of her testimony give us pretty good reason to see why. she testified about talking with giuliani herself on january 2nd and giuliani obviously was very well-versed in what was going to happen on january 6th and his take on it was it was going to be great and she should talk to the chief, her boss meadows,
about it because he really thought this was going to be terrific apparently. and meadows, when she talked to him, tells her, you know, that essentially on the 2nd tells her that it could be real, real bad on the 6th. so he knew about it and he knew kind of what was likely to happen and he thought it might be terrible, but then later on when he was presented with multiple opportunities to try to intervene by her and by pat cipollone and by a number of other people he looked at his phone, he slammed the door on her, wouldn't talk to him. he finally ended up saying that trump just didn't want to do anything about what was happening on the 6th and he basically was not willing to do anything to try to intervene. so both of them have pretty good reason to think that they could have some real criminal liability here. >> yeah, pat cipollone responding to him that he would have blood on his hands. donald, thank you so much for speaking with us, we appreciate
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kaitlan collins covering the summit in madrid. finland, sweden a major development after a major effort from the white house, kaitlan. >> reporter: yeah, john, what you're seeing emerge really from this summit and from the last several months of what these allies have been doing is a more muscular nato. not only are they adding more forces in eastern europe, they're also expanding their membership and coming quite close to doing so now that turkey has dropped its objections to sweden an finland joining nato, which would take this military alliance from a 30-country membership to 32. and that is quite significant not only for the fact that finland and sweden are joining especially given sweden's decades of neutrality, but also how quickly all of this has come together because, yes, there have been these moments in the last several months where turkey was standing in the way because it does have to be a unanimous decision to have new countries added to the military alliance, but the fact that it is moving this quickly and now it will go from them formally accepting their applications to nato to,
of course, each of the members ratifying their membership into nato, their addition into nato. it's something that president biden has been working very hard on behind the scenes, working with turkish officials to get them to drop their objections to having finland and sweden join. john, really if you look at it big picture, this is the last thing that president putin wanted to happen and he actually issued some threats when there was talk of finland and sweden joining nato, clearly those did not work since they are well on their way to doing so, but also by ramping up the force posture, these are all things that putin did not want to see when he started his russian invasion of ukraine. now while there are, of the course, a lot of talk and scrutiny and analyzing of what is actually happening on the ground in ukraine and whether or not russia is getting the upper hand, when you look at it from a global perspective you are seeing a bigger more muscular nato and that's not something that putin wanted to see when he started this. >> let's bring in natasha bertrand, also joining us from the summit. talk to us a little bit, natasha, about what this is
going to look like. this is the addition of u.s. forces into the region which obviously is also something vladimir putin did not want. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, brianna. so obviously u.s. forces around 20,000 u.s. forces were inserted into europe at the beginning of this war in order to bolster nato defenses and that was obviously seen by russia as a provocation, but now, you know, it's not going to be to that extent at this point, the u.s. is going to be ramping up its presence a bit more, for example, sending a two additional destroyers to a port in spain, raise that go number from four to six, sending additional units to romania and also bolstering, you know, their presence in the baltic region. but ultimately this is more of a symbolic response by the biden administration, by the u.s., to show nato and europe that they are united, right? that the president has not given up on nato, they have not given up on europe, that they are committed to this fight for as
long as it takes really. but of course the russians it remains to be seen how they are going to view this. of course they see nato's enlargement as a major provocation that is the main reason that russian president vladimir putin said in the very beginning they needed to launch expansion, so obviously nato's' boarder increased dramatically with the assessing of sweden and finland. so whether or not this actually turns up the heat in the region remains to be seen. of course, nato officials here seem to still believe that there is very, very little chance if any that russia would ever dare to attack nato itself, but, of course, they're all making all the necessary -- taking all the necessary precautions just in case something were to escalate and potentially even spiral out of control, brianna. >> natasha bertrand, kaitlan collins, thank you, both, so much for being with us this morning. the latest move from the white house this morning to stop the spread of monkeypox. and next, we'll be joined by
this morning, the biden administration is ramping up its response to monkeypox with more vaccines for people most at risk in states with high case rates. cnn's dr. sanjay gupta is joining us now to talk about this move. tell us about this, sanjay. >> well, first of all, we dealt with monkeypox outbreaks in the past. this has become more widespread and larger than monkeypox outbreaks typically. it is confined to small regions, smaller numbers. so in the united states now, you have some 306 confirmed cases of monkeypox all around the country. that's in 27 different states. and d.c. around the world, 4700 cases and 49 countries. so this is spreading, you know. it is spreading wider and more rapidly than we have seen in the
past. we also note within the united states there are several places where it is spreading the most. california, new york, illinois, florida, and d.c. and it is these areas where they're now focused on trying to get out vaccines to these areas, especially among people who they consider most at risk. some of this will be people who are -- with known exposure to someone with monkeypox, someone who has been a sexual partner with someone with monkeypox. but also gay men who have been having multiple sexual partners, especially in areas where they know monkeypox is currently circulating. and this is something known as post exposure prophylaxis, meaning they would give the vaccine after the exposure to try and prevent the infection from taking hold. that is sort of the strategy there on the vaccine side. testing, you know, this is going to sound familiar, but we may not be doing enough testing right now, so we don't have a clear picture of exactly how widespread this is. they want to improve testing,
get the testing into commercial labs and the public health institutions and start making the testing more widely available. so that's the strategy right now. again, this is bigger and wider than we have seen in the past. >> when you say the vaccine, sanjay, what vaccine are we talking about here? >> well, it is interesting, john. there is actually two vaccines. one is known as jeneos, licensed specifically for monkeypox, actually effective against smallpox as well. those two viruses that cause monkeypox, smallpox are very similar. the vaccines often have benefit to both of them. right now there is about 64,000 doses, which they don't think is likely to be enough. so there is another million doses that are on order for the end of the summer and fall. so, you know, we'll see. there is also another vaccine called the a-cam factvaccine, t was used for smallpox and people
who are old enough will remember this vaccine, it is a two-pronged needle used and when they use this vaccine, it would create a pockmark, a distinctive pockmark or scarring on the arm with this vaccine. if you were born before the early '70s, late '60s, you're likely to have that. that's going to be me, probably not you guys. if you look at your arm and see that, that means you're vaccinated against smallpox at some point. >> i still have the scar from that. >> i don't have one. >> yeah, you're too young. >> thanks, sanjay. "new day" continues right now. good morning to viewers here in the u.s. and around the world. it is wednesday, june 29th. i'm brianna keilar with john berman this morning. i don't effing care they have
weapons, let my people in. that is what trump said on january 6th, according to a former top white house aide, wanting his supporters to be let into his rally, even knowing that they were heading on to the capitol. it puts him in significantly more legal jeopardy, it ties him closer than ever to the violence at the capitol. cassidy hutchinson, a once loyal and trusted insider in the trump white house, delivering blockbuster testimony before the january 6th committee, saying that trump demanded those security checkpoints be removed outside of his rally on the ellipse, despite knowing that many of his supporters were armed, that they were threatening violence, and then still he told them during that rally to, quote, fight like hell. >> i was in the vicinity of the conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't effing care that they have weapons, they're not here to hurt me, take the effing mags away, let me people in, they can march to the capitol from here.
>> they can march to the capitol from here. this morning we're hearing from an array of attorneys, former federal prosecutors who say that exchange puts the former president in a different legal category. and there is more, hutchinson also testified the former white house counsel pat cipollone warned about the criminal liability that trump and others might face as the mob headed to the capitol. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and this morning, a whole new possible avenue of an investigation, possible witness tampering. this after vice chair liz cheney revealed these messages received by some witnesses before their depositions. joining us now is a member of the january 6th select committee, democratic congressman pete aguilar of california. congressman, thank you for being with us. let's start with those messages that vice chair li
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