tv CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto CNN June 29, 2022 7:00am-8:00am PDT
i'm jim sciutto reporting from the nato summit in madrid in spain. >> and i'm poppy harlow in new york. right now, we are closely monitoring the supreme court where the justices are set to release new opinions this morning. we'll bring you those as soon as we get them. we are also following stunning testimony from the hearing yesterday. cassidy hutchinson painting a picture of a furious donald trump on the day of the insurrection. she testified the president wanted to join those who marched armed to the capitol. this despite warnings from white house counsel pat cipollone. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? >> in the days leading up to the
6th, we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. >> we'll have much more on her testimony in just a moment. back here in madrid, multiple developments this morning on the first day of the nato summit. president biden, he's participating in several meetings with nato allies including a highly anticipated sit-down with the turkish president next hour. so far, the alliance has announced a significant strengthening of forces along the eastern flank. formally invited finland and sweden to become members after overcoming turkey's opposition and naming china in the strategic concept, as it's known, their mission statement. confronting russia as the brutal invasion of ukraine drags on. poppy? >> we'll take you back to jim in madrid in just a moment. let's begin this hour though with more on yesterday's damning january 6th testimony.
our capitol hill reporter melanie zanona with me. you have reporting, significant developments. walk us through more about what we're learning after the testimony from yesterday. >> reporter: yeah, well, we are continuing to track both the potential political and legal fallout for donald trump and his allies after this explosive testimony from a top mark meadows aide but there were some elements of the testimony disputed and we should point out that her testimony was given under oath here but one of the elements that has been contested is that she told the story that she was told by tony ornato, a security official how trump was so angry about his secret service when they wouldn't drive him to the capitol after the rally speech, he grabbed for the steering wheel and tried to lunge at his security agents. the secret service said these agents are willing to testify under oath to talk about these allegations, and sources tell
cnn that the agents deny that they were ever physically attacked or that they even told hutchinson the story, and the committee says they are willing to hear from anyone willing to come publicly testify under oath even though they did find cassidy hutchinson to be credible here but it's really important to point out that nobody is disputing the core facts here that trump wanted to go to the capitol very much on january 6th and i just think while other details are sensational and certainly amazing but knew it was dangerous and not only egg them on but wanted to join them. >> the moments matter but that's the crux of it, knowing about the danger to the people inside the capitol and wanting to join them. before you go, where do things go from here? right, i mean, all we heard from chairman thompson at the end is, we'll be reconvening in the
coming weeks. we don't know when. we don't know who they're going to call, or do we? >> we do know there's going to be two more hearings. the committee is continuing to push for another witness and that's pat cipollone, the white house counsel. he continues to be sort of a white whale for the committee and easy to see why. that's because hutchinson testified he had maejor concern about the potential legal implications if he went to the capitol on june 6th, saying they would be charge with, quote, every crime imaginable if they did. take a listen to what else cassidy hutchinson had to say about pat cipollone. >> i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have gone to the capitol mark, we need to go now. mark said he doesn't want to do anything, pat, and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly said this to mark,
something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done, the flood will be on your f-ing hands. >> reporter: the committee is hoping these hearings inspire pat cipollone to come forward. congresswoman liz cheney, a republican, continues to try to make direct appeals to him. she tweeted just this morning asking him to come publicly testify. and that this is in the greater good for him to come forward but so far, he's resistant. we'll see in the coming weeks. >> great reporting, thank you. let's discuss with david gergen. good to have you. >> thank you, poppy. good to be here. >> such an important perspective because of all the men i just mentioned that you advised through all of those years. what did yesterday change? >> i think yesterday really set
a very clear message about the core issue you were mentioning and that is president trump knew in advance there might be heavily armed people, would be heavily armed people among those going to the capitol and yet he wanted to go and join them, not to calm them down or take away their weapons. he wanted to get rid of the magnetometers to tell you who had a weapon and who didn't. but given all that, it certainly adds some weight to the idea he was trying to obstruct justice. i think it strengthens the likelihood that garland will prosecute out of the justice department. if i might say one other thing, poppy, about the significance of yesterday, i think it's so striking that a 25-year-old woman, just in the early stages of adulthood, would have the courage and bravery to stand up and speak the truth, and time and time again, what we've seen now in recent years is that young people are the ones
standing up to cowards. young people are the ones standing up to tyrants and whether you're talking about greta thunberg in sweden or malala in pakistan or the parkland kids here or black lives matter, again and again, the young stand up to the old and the people now who are ducking and saying, that's what cassidy hutchinson did or said was wrong, let them come forward and take oath of office and then testify and they'll have some more credibility, but right now, hiding in the corners, not allowing people to go up there, obstructing the conversation, you know, it's the young that are carrying this and the o oldsters really making a mess of it. >> such an important point, coming from a youngster at heart, you, david gergen. such a great point because it is about the future of the democracy and so many more decades of it is theirs to live
and what kind of country do they want to live in. >> exactly. >> speaking of courage, we heard at the end of the hearing yesterday from chairman thompson and a bit from councilman vice chair cheney as well, if some of you have found your courage who have dodged this committee and are unwilling to speak publicly, if you found it, you're welcome here. who do we need to hear from most now? >> well, i think we certainly need to hear from mark meadows and we need to hear from council and ultimately, donald trump himself. if we really want to get a hold of what the story is, but i think we could look around. there's others in the circle. there's numerous people who are ducking here, not telling the full truth, what the story really is. the pieces of the story that we've heard are so gut-wrenching, i mean, one of the things that donald trump has shown us, i think, very clearly
he lacks what psychiatrists call impulse control and he's not in control of his impulses. whether or not he lunged at the secret service guy the last back on june 6th, we don't know that for sure but i'll take cassidy hutchinson's testimony over that people hiding any day. she's so much more believable and so much braver and good luck to her because she's, i'm sure she's going to have a lot of pushback. i hope, i trust that everybody is looking after her future. >> david gergen, thank you so much for such important perspective. really big picture on what happened yesterday. joining me now, michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. it's great to have you here. you know, there's this.
so there's three big things going on here. there's the january 6th investigation and then the department of justice investigation and oh, by the way, there is a criminal investigation led by the fulton county d.a. in your state. i wonder if anything you heard in this testimony yesterday and subsequently since plays into what fanny willis is leading in that investigation in your state. >> i'm glad, thank you for the invitation to join. i don't think there's any question that the information sharing will be useful. the special grand jury here, trying to subpoena witnesses, but may have seen some of the legislators in georgia didn't try to block the appearance before the grand jury, plays off what dave and linda said, we can count on people. sometimes lower level staff to come forward and talk about what happened there. so i think she'll get some information from the committee,
clearly. how much back and forth sharing they're doing, i don't know, but the access to what she's making. what really stands out for me and what i hope we'll hear through one of the three investigations you mentioned is, you know, where was trump, some of the sexiness of catch them against the wall, jumped at the chauffeur of the limousine, that's great to the jury, but doesn't have a lot to do with criminal implications or what he would be charged but the communications going on, what did he really know? was the idea to remove magnetometer, something discussed internally, or simply was a nod to his narcissistic personality that he needed to say that he had more people there? and they were blocking the crowd as they were? >> you make such a good point because that can sort of
dominate some of the discussion or headlines, throwing the plate against the wall, ketchup on the wall and the incident in the beast but another core thing that maybe is not getting enough attention that should is the allegations at the end of the hearing when liz cheney read those messages she said came in from others in trump world about their testimony or speaking to the committee, which amounted to the way she read them, very potential witness tampering but to prove that legally, don't we need to know who sent the messages to the committee and who, from trump world, indicated to them, you know, you've got to stay on our team in your testimony? >> i think you're exactly right. i think that's probably the most damning information that i heard from the hearing yesterday, and that is that somebody at a high level within the trump circle, and maybe trump himself, send messages. this is not unlike a godfatheresque moment where they
send the horse heads of the bed, stay on the right team here. that's really what we're seeing here with some of the messages back and forth. one of his con ciliary, did that do it or with the campaign or giu giuliani, we don't know yet. my guess is we wouldn't have heard sort of the beginning of the story from representative cheney unless they already had some information about where those threats were coming from. the hearings have been sort of a cowardice, if you asked me about it. you had courageous people who come forward and then people high up in the administration, who hid and used every legal block that they can to keep from telling the truth about what happened in order to protect their own skin from future office down the road or remain in the graces of that wing of the gop. and i'm struck by how many
people went forward, a truist event, nothing to it. these are great americans, and now we found out at the time that they were cowering in the white house talking about who's going to get hurt, do we all need to get a pardon and how are we going to do it? two different tables. we've got folks taking the fifth. mike take the fifth flynn out there. how hard is it to say you can't do this and take the fifth on these questions was nonsensical. we've seen folks cower and hide who should have had the fortitude, large enough states to talk about it and they could have stopped this had they had the courage to do what needed to be done through the 25th amendment or the impeachment process. there's other things they could have done but they continue to feed the beast and the beast tacked us off. >> thank you, michael, so many more people, clearly the
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leaders play an integral part in turkey opposing finland and sweden joining but nato invited them to join the alliance after reaching an agreement with turkey yesterday that was centering on its concerns about kurdish parties operating from sweden, but it was president biden who helped seal that deal not guaranteed during the summit. the expansion a direct result now of russia's ongoing war in ukraine. >> i said putin looking for -- of europe, he's done to guarantee security for europe. >> cnn white house reporter gnat natasha bertrand with me. nato expanding and forces along the eastern front are expanding as well. the president making news about
new u.s. forces going to europe. tell us the step he's taking. >> reporter: that's right, jim. essentially what the president laid out, u.s. sends additional forces to europe to shore up the eastern flank and the steps he's taking include sending additional destroyers to naval ports, establishing a permanent headquarters with the fifth army corps in poland and 3,000 troops in romania and air defense systems sent to countries like germany and italy. this is not big of a step as the united states has taken previously where it surged about 20,000 forces to europe when the start of the war broke out in february. but this is a symbolic move and meant to reinforce the idea that the united states is still committed, of course, to seeing this through and seeing nato through and seeing that the alliance remains in tact, and is defended because, of course, the
russian incursion into ukraine poses a direct threat and deals with territorial integrity. they're concerned something could happen and spiral out of control, why they shore up the defenses at this moment. the other big headline is president biden's meeting with the turkish president, erdogan. of course, president biden really helped get this whole thing over the finish line with the succession of sweden and finland into the nato alliance, operating behind the scenes calling the turkish president and giving the signoff with the things they agreed to with turkey to get them to unlock their process, so what remains to be seen is exactly what the turkish president and president biden are going to be discussing, however, it is important to note that the turks have been very eager to see the united states sell them advanced f16 fighter jets and really hoping to get that process moving forward. so that's likely to be a topic of conversation today, jim. >> the eastern allies such as
estonia, some of those most concerned about russia's threats. natasha bertrand, thank you so much. we're joined now by the estonian prime minister kaia kalas. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> nato is announcing at the start of the summit new forced deployments to the eastern flank including to estonia. you've been critical of the nato force posture to date saying that nato's strategy for defending estonia would see it wiped off the map. do these forced changes change that in your view? are they sufficient? >> first of all, nato so far in the eastern, and now we have to move forward to defense poster. i'm really glad that our concerns have been heard. i'm relatively optimistic that
we'll get very strong decisions out today. we heard from different allies also with how they will employ more troops and reposition equipment and that's very important but also important that the plans nato has will be implemented, so not in words but also the deeds. >> you've told me before when we have spoken, estonia's membership with nato in terms of the risk of russia, the mutual defense aspect of the nato alliance, but when i speak to white house officials, including this morning, they do describe a new level of the russian threat to the eastern flank. is it your view, is it nato's view that despite estonia's membership in the nato alliance that russia might very well attack estonia? >> this is exactly the reason why you need to bolster the
eastern flank and why we need more free stationed equipment and more troops, because so far, nobody thought that russia would test nato's unity but we have seen they have acted in conflict with all the war laws, with all the different ideas that we might have, so we have to be prepared. as russia has boosted the level aggression, we have to boost the level to comply with this and this is very important that we will get strong admissions from madrid to say exactly that. >> president zelenskyy of ukraine has asked nato today, once again about ukraine's potential membership in the alliance and he said he asked the question. has ukraine not paid enough to join? do you believe nato should go along the path of allowing
ukraine to enter? >> we have always been believers in the open door policy of nato, so that all the members of the countries that want to join have to go through the process and if all the allies agree, they can join. i think it's not up to russia or any other state outside the alliance to say who can be or who cannot be a member of the alliance. if ukraine wants to take this path, this is up to them to decide and of course, then the allies have to do their part to accept this or not to accept this. we have been strong supporters to ukraine with all the aspects and the other countries that want to join the alliance. >> do you believe ukraine is ready to join the nato alliance? >> well, looking at the pictures from ukraine right now, i think their hands are full with defending the country and
pushing back russian aggression, but if they manage to do that and if they win this war, i think these processes can move on. >> one final question before we go. sweden and finland are now on the path to join nato. turkey having withdrawn its opposition to their joining the alliance. how important is their membership in your view to nato's positioning and strength going forward? >> i think these are two very strong countries in terms of defense and if they join nato, the center of nato moves also to north and for us, it definitely means stronger security in our region, but i think it's also important to the other allies in nato, sweden and finland are joining. so we welcome the trilateral agreement they reached today and i hope that the process will be
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voters in colorado rejected three election deniers. pleaded not guilty after being indicted on voting machine tampering allegations, lost the gop nomination for secretary of state. ron hanks who spread debunked theories about election fraud and then greg lopez of the denver suburb who repeatedly spread lost the gop primary for governor. new this morning, one senior house republican who did not back impeaching president trump for inciting an insurrection tells cnn they predict cassidy hutchinson's bombshell testimony yesterday will lead to indictments and this comes as several aides of former president trump were left speechless after hearing these new revelations.
we're also learning that hutchinson previously told the january 6th committee that the former president approved of rioters chanting violent threats against vice president mike pence as they stormed the capitol. where does this take us as a country, where does this take the republican party? let's ask a key voice in the party. ohio governor and cnn commentator, john kasich, good to have you, good morning. what do you think yesterday changed? >> well, i mean, for some people, they should recognize the fact that donald trump is dangerous and desperate and so unhinged, it's really shocking. i think this is beginning to saturate. i think republicans are beginning to say, enough of this, but you know, poppy, what happened is in the party, there was a cult of personality based on some issues that were legitimate that he used those as
a populist, negative populist to blame other people for problems and created this cult of personality and that cult of personality still exists for some people but i think it's fair to say that he's losing lots of support and he's crescr increasingly angry and people are beginning to say, enough of this guy. that's what i hear from trumpers myself. they kind of say, let's just focus on biden and how bad he is, but there's not the defense of donald trump that i used to hear and i think there's a recognition that the guy, look, i never thought he was fit for office. now there are more people who say he wasn't fit for office. >> i think it's notable that former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney came out on twitter following the testimony yesterday saying he believed hutchinson's account. my guess before this is over we'll be hearing from ornato, engel. if cassidy is making this up,
they'll need to say that. i know her, speaking of cassidy. i don't think she's lying. what does that signal to you? >> the first question, why was he so involved in the trump administration to begin with? one of the things that bugs me today is we sort of are saying, look at these stand up people and getting close to saying they're heroes when they were enablers of this guy for four years. i'm glad to see they're finding religion now and i give them credit for that, and what is he saying? he believes her? i think she is a very sincere, you know, very intelligent, also very composed woman who's done a great service here. what do i think about it? i think she's really described the guy. is every one of the things she said or all the details accurate?
i don't know that. but the gist of it is, this was a guy who was out of control, who was willing to use any flimsy excuse to hold on to power and the amazing thing is, they were trying to steal the election. and i talked to people who were trumpers and say it to them and it doesn't seem to get down as deep as it should but he's eroding like the wicked witch of the west when they put the water on her. he's beginning to melt down. >> we'll see. voters will decide if he runs again. governor kasich, i want to change topics before you go to the topic of abortion following the supreme court's ruling overturning roe v. wade on friday because when you were governor of ohio, you signed some laws that did restrict abortion access but you also notably twice vetoed a bill that was a six-week ban on abortion after six weeks, calling it, quote, contrary to the supreme court of the united states current ruling on abortion, talking about the casey decision
from '92. now, the supreme court overruled roe and casey, they put the six week ban into place. there are, quote, no exceptions for rape or incest. what is your reaction to seeing that happen, something you vetoed twice? >> i really believe that the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother are critical, and i was sent some bills that didn't, at least on one hand as i recall sent me a bill that didn't have that exception. i think that exception is absolutely vital in all of this and at the same time, poppy, in light of this ruling, i would hope we see the states and perhaps with the federal government's help, devote a significant resources to counselling for women, for prenatal and for post delivery for the children. i hope that's what we see across the country but in my state of
ohio, they'll put the exceptions there. >> this bill, this way is a mistake for your state? >> well, i think there needs to be exceptions, and we have to see what the legislature will do. i've heard different opinions about what they're going to do. we're just going to have to wait and see but those exceptions, i think, are very important. >> governor kasich, thank you for your fulltime. >> poppy, thank you. still ahead, any moment now, singer r. kelly will be sentenced on sex trafficking and racketeering charges. we're live outside the courthouse.
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well, any moment, we'll learn how much time r. kelly will spend in prison. the disgraced r&b singer convicted of nine accounts including racketeering and sex trafficking charges. witnesses testified they were sexually and physically abused by kelly, some when they were minors. our jean casarez joining us live outside the federal courthouse here in new york. jean, prosecutors called for more than 25 years. what are we expecting? >> reporter: well, this is interesting because it can go up to life in prison, and as you just said, these are very serious convictions here, and the u.s. attorney's office is saying because of the seriousness of these convictions, because of the deterrence aspect, which is so important, and additionally, to protect the public because r. kelly, they allege, is still a risk with the community so he needs to be sentenced to 25
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this morning, president biden had a rare sit-down with both south korea and japan here at the nato summit. those two countries have not met since 2019. they are working to confront challenges from north korea and china. ahead of the meeting, north korea accused the u.s. of building an asian nato. cnn's paula hancocks joining us live from seoul for more on this. paula, it's unusual to be here in madrid. nato, of course, a european transatlantic alliance focused now on ukraine, the war in russia, but you have japan and south korea here and you also have the nato mission statement, in effect, to mention china for the first time. why is this happening? >> reporter: well, jim, it's a very good question. the fact is, they want a larger coalition. they want to bring in the
indo-pacific region, and certainly, when it comes to why this particular sit-down between the u.s., japan, and south korea, the main topic that was talked about, yes, china was talked about, presumably ukraine as well but it is about north korea. it is about how important it is for these three countries to cooperate closely in order to try to deal with the increasing nuclear and missile threat from north korea. we heard from the u.s. president joe biden saying that he's deeply concerned about the increase in these tests and of course, the potential for that seventh underground nuclear test as well, and from the u.s. point of view, it's crucial that two of the most important allies in northeast asia, japan and south korea, get along and cooperate, bearing in mind the two countries are home to more than 80,000 u.s. troops and in order to try to have some kind of concerted and consistent response to what north korea is doing at the moment, they need to be getting along.
we have heard from north korea as well. this wednesday morning, through state-run media saying, pointing out that the pacific joint drill between the three of them coming up in august is supposed to be detecting and tracking ballistic missiles, very important considering north korea has launched a record number of missiles so far this year, but not something pyongyang wants to see. they said this military alliance is dangerous and the prelude to the creation of an asian version of nato. so clearly, pyongyang is not happy with what they are seeing as this closening relationship thi between the three countries. >> those watching china as well. paula hancocks in seoul, thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much, jim. we'll see you back with the nato coverage tomorrow. the biden administration rolls out its plan for monkeypox vaccine. we'll hear what states get priority and why next. ow i custd this scarf?
right now the biden administration is trying to put out vaccines to the states with the highest case rates. elizabeth cohen is with me. who falls in the group? i think everyone watching, myself included are wondering, does this mean we're all going to need monkeypox vaccines? >> good question but you're not going to see a monkeypox vaccine roll out the same way we did for covid. specific groups are at risk for monkeypox and what it boils down to is gay men, especially very sexually active gay men. these cases, in the united states, there have been 306 cases in 27 states and
washington, dc, and almost 5,000 cases in almost 50 countries. there have been more cases in certain states. so the states with the highest case counts are california, new york, illinois, florida, and dc. so those will be among the states that will really be targeted for this offer of monkeypox vaccine and let's take a look at who is at highest risk and who's recommended to get a monkeypox vaccine. if your sexual partner has been diagnosed with monkeypox, the cdc said we recommend you get the vaccine. if you've had close physical contact with someone who had monkeypox or a gay man with recent multiple sex partners. the cdc is saying, look, if you have a contracted monkeypox, we want you to be vaccinated as soon as possible so this is after being exposed, this is the kind of vaccine that's given after. we want you to get vaccinated within two weeks or as soon as possible, and you don't have to
say, oh, i know for sure i had sex with this person who had mo monkeypox but at a party with a lot of people with monkeypox, you should consider getting the vaccine. >> thank you, elizabeth cohen, for that reporting, and thank you so much to all of you for joining us today. i'm poppy harlow in new york. >> and i'm jim sciutto in madrid, we'll be back again tomorrow with more from the nato summit here. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. hello, everyone. stunning testimony from a former white house aide about donald trump and the level of culpability he and his white house now face. several people charged after a smuggling tragedy leaves dozens of migrants dead. and president biden meets with turkey's president very soon as nato prepares to expand its alliance. this is what we're watching at this hour.
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