hello again, everyone. thank you for joining us for joining me this saturday. i'm fredericka whitfield. we continue to follow major new developments in the capitol riot investigation. the panel just got key testimony from one of the most important witnesses yet, former white house counsel pat cipollone, testifying before the january 6th committee for more than seven hours on friday. a source says cipollone provided a great deal of new information.

and we also are learning of chilling new details of alleged plans by members of the oath keepers to prepare for violence in washington on january 6th. a new justice department filing says at least one member of the far right extremist group transported explosives to the dc area and another member had a death list that included the name of a georgia election official and their family member. for more on these stunning new allegations, let's bring back marshall cohen. marshall, what more can you tell us about this court filing? >> reporter: hey, fred. it was a significant filing from the justice department in what very well might be the most important criminal case that has been brought so far related to january 6th. we're talking about the seditious conspiracy case against several members of the oath keepers, that's the far right extremist group that supported donald trump's efforts to overturn the results and had many of its members storming the

capitol that day, on january 6th. the new details shed some light on what these militants are alleged to have been doing during the transition period. what was supposed to be a peaceful transition ended up not so peaceful, according to prosecutors, thanks in part to the plans of this group. they did training sessions. they practiced ambush style attacks. they stockpiled weapons, ammunition, and according to these new filings, even some explosives were brought to washington, dc. that's in addition to everything that we've already learned from this case over the previous year about what they call a quick reaction force with weapons stashed away at a virginia hotel just in case they needed it. thank goodness they never actually crossed the river into washington, dc that day. but all of this bolsters what the justice department says is

the seditious part of all this, if h fred, to violently disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, to stop joe biden from taking office by force. >> it continues to get even more shocking as we learn more information. so marshall, what else do we know about now pat cipollone's seven plus hours of testimony before the panel yesterday? >> reporter: you know, we've learned a little bit. we're going to learn so much more in the next few days because it was a videotaped deposition, seven hours long. the committee will have its first opportunity on tuesday to publicly release some of those clips because they have a hearing coming up on tuesday. cipollone is an absolutely essential piece of this puzzle. as the white house counsel, he was there for critical moments, real make or break moments when our democracy was on the line, when donald trump considered going to some truly extreme measures, things like sending in the military to seize voting equipment, declaring martial law, things.

reports indicate that cipollone was regularly pushing back against those crazy ideas. you can bet that the committee asked him all about that. we'll learn in the coming days how much he was able to divulge. there's questions of executive privilege and other things like that. but the fact that he simply went in to talk was a pretty major breakthrough for this committee, fred. >> all right, marshall cohen, thank you so much. of course we'll all look forward to tuesday. right now, a major abortion rights rally is under way in the nation's capital. protesters have been marching, they're also staging sit-ins. many of them have gathered right outside the white house. it comes a day after president biden signed an executive order to safeguard access to reproductive services following the u.s. supreme court's ruling which overturned roe v. wade. cnn's brian todd is at the march in washington while cnn's jeremy diamond is traveling with the president in delaware. brian, you first. what's happening? >> reporter: fredericka, an

intermittent but sometimes driving rainstorm has not stopped hundreds of these protesters from going from here in franklin square park to the white house and then back here to franklin square park. they just marched past us on their way back to the white house and are gathering in the center of franklin square park. we'll walk with them a little bit. a little bit ago we saw several protesters press against the white house fence. some of them actually tied themselves to the white house fence. the protest leaders briefed the protesters that they should prepare for the possibility of getting arrested and if they wanted to risk getting arrested, they could go up to the white house fence. but they did go to the white house fence and we did not witness any arrests. the protests were very peaceful. there were police in the crowd but they were kind of letting them do their thing and not really wanting to get in the middle of it as long as it was peaceful, and it was. then they broke down and said they wanted to come back here. now they're playing some music

and some people are getting ready to speak, as you see them gathering near the dias here. there are so many potential residual effects to the overturning of roe v. wade that we talked to people about and that people here are really concerned about, worried about, angry about. one of them is, you know, the safety of abortions. i talked to one protester who said abortions are not going to end in the united states, they're just going to become more dangerous. that's one thing they're concerned about. another thing is, many of them told us they believe the overturning the roe is just the first step. just clarence thomas implied very strongly that they could, if the right court case was before them, go after other reproductive rights like iuds or plan b pills. protesters are concerned about that and they're plotting strategy to move forward, fredericka. >> jeremy, to you there traveling with the president, the president signed the executive order but he's also encouraging voters to make their voices heard this november.

>> reporter: that's right, fredericka. as president biden was signing that executive order yesterday at the white house, he made very clear that ultimately what needs to happen is voters need to elect more democrats to the senate so they can pass a law enshrining those abortion rights into law and to push back against that supreme court ruling. but the president signing this executive order under immense pressure from abortion rights activists to do more. and he did sign that executive order two weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. this order looks to protect access to reproductive health care rights including abortion medication, protecting patient privacy and safety, and also it establishes an inner agency task force that includes the health and human services secretary as well as the attorney general. it also directs the health and human services secretary xavier becerra to submit a report within 30 days identifying potential actions and also outlining the actions that he's already taken.

but the reality is this executive order doesn't go nearly as far as some abortion rights activists would like it to do. frankly it's very vague in terms of what those steps i just outlined actually would be and what they would actually do. the white house official, jen klein, pushing back on some of those frustrations but also addressing them yesterday. listen. >> i know it feels frustrating because we're taking action and then asking for more action. you can't solve by executive action what the supreme court has done. the supreme court has taken away a constitutional right that was precedent for nearly 50 years and i think we all need to be mindful, he is very mindful, we are all mindful, that that can't be solved by executive action alone. >> reporter: and that is ultimately the white house's bottom line position here. they're going to do what they can via executive action, via agency action, but ultimately the president urging stands. vote, vote, vote, are the words we heard the president use

yesterday, so that he can get that law passed and ultimately signed, fredericka. >> jeremy diamond, brian todd, thanks to both of you, appreciate it. fatima goss-graves is the president and ceo of the national women's law center. good to see you again. your reaction to this executive order. does the president's plan go far enough, in your view? >> it was a really important first step, for sure. what the president is doing is putting the full weight of the government behind this legal and public health crisis that we're facing. and it will make a difference, i believe, in terms of accessing medication abortion, in terms of assuring that people's privacy rights are protected. and at the same time, it isn't going to be enough until he comes further. we are in a situation where we're asking not just this president but everyone to do

more than they ever thought they would have to do to protect our rights. and that is because the supreme court has unleashed such tremendous chaos in this country. so he has to stretch. >> stretch in what way? what do you mean, "until he goes further"? how much farther can he go? >> there are lots of things that people are waiting -- you know, many of us have called for him to declare a public health emergency, for example. what we are seeing right now in terms of people being able to access care in their community and the chaos that's happening, we're at that stage. so i think that's one of the places that we hope he will go next. i also think we have to see the federal government assisting the many people who are trying to be helpers in this time, helping people secure access to abortion. that takes dollars. that takes a lot of navigating

our complicated legal landscape. >> so this is some of what president biden said yesterday as he signed his executive order. let's listen. >> the executive order directs hhs to identify ways to expand access to reproductive health services, like iuds, birth control pills, emergency contraception. and equally important, this executive order protects patient privacy and access to information. >> so the key language he's using there, he's talking about protecting women's privacy. there are some experts who say apps used to track women's fertility could pose serious risk to privacy rights in states where abortions are being banned. what are your concerns about that? >> people should be concerned about that. you know, these apps are not secure in terms of our data. people have been putting in this

data without understanding that. and we expect state attorney generals, local district attorneys, to be accessing that information and using it. i mean, what we will see in the coming weeks are two type of things. we will see prosecutions of individuals that feel deeply unfair. and we will see public health type emergencies where people aren't getting the care they need. so he is addressing the root causes of both. >> and do you think there is anything that can take place to protect the people that you just laid out who potentially could be prosecuted as early as this week? >> so here's the thing. i hope that the department of justice will speak more and provide clarity, clarity for providers, but also clarity that these rogue states can't undo things that are at the federal level. and in the meantime, we are

working our best to ensure that as many people are as safe as possible. the advice is to do things like delete these apps. they are not safe unless you have that certainty, they can be used against you. this is a time where one in four people engage in conduct and it is suddenly and abruptly illegal. it's going to be chaotic. >> all right. fatima goss graves, good to see you again, thank you very much. still ahead, covid infections surging across much of the u.s. this summer. the cdc now says nearly a third of the u.s. population lives in a county with a high level of covid in the community. we'll have the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. and the white house is working to get more baby formula on the store shelves as retailers continue to limit how much people can buy. on. rk businessy like manny. event planning with our best plan ever.

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there are growing concerns over a surge of covid infections spreading across much of the u.s. this summer. the cdc says nearly a third of americans are living in a county with a high covid-19 community level. that means people in those areas of high spread should be wearing masks indoors to slow the spread, according to the agency. the cdc is also warning that official case counts no longer represent the true level of community transmission. cnn's polo sandoval is here with more on all of this. so polo, what more are we learning about the rise in covid cases? >> reporter: for starters, fred, you made a really important point here. this is just the reported number of cases. the cdc is aware there are so many people that test at home and test positive, and those aren't even considered when you look at the current numbers right now. it really is shaping up to be the summer of subvariants, specifically ba.4 and ba.5 of

the omicron coronavirus variant. the big concern is even though vaccination continues to provide the best protection, it seems that these two subvariants seem to at least escape that initial antibody response for those who have been fully vaccinated and boosted as well as those who have recovered from covid. but in terms of the numbers, we've seen a significant increase. what concerns officials are some of these numbers i have to share with you from the cdc that's now showing ba.5 is now causing more than half of current covid infections throughout the country right now. when you look at the map you certainly see where some of those trouble spots have been seen. again, this is only the reported number of cases here. here in new york, for example, test positivity about 14%, that's the highest we've seen in months. but what concerns health officials is right now about 32% of americans are living with high covid-19 community levels. that is the same as what we saw last week. but still, it's higher than the 23% that we saw about two weeks

ago. the concern so great right now that here in new york city, officials just yesterday appealed to the public, saying, if you can, wear high grade masks in crowded indoor spaces, public spaces, and particularly outdoor spaces as well. here is mayor eric adams and some remarks he shared this week. all right, i can tell you that the mayor is saying currently we are in a good and stable place. we will try to get that sound for you a little later. basically we are in a good, stable place, we are starting to see where new york was before the pandemic, but not out of the woods yet. so issuing that recommendation that it's important that people use those masks indoors, fred, in public spaces, because of these two subvariants that are showing no signs of slowing this summer. >> right, don't let your guard down as yet. thank you so much, polo sandoval. the white house continues its work to get more baby formula on store shelves.

just this week, president biden announced the 15th and 16th operation fly formula missions to deliver to the u.s. around 200,000 pounds of formula from england and about 100,000 pounds of formula from switzerland. cnn health reporter jacqueline howard has more on the current formula shortage. jacqueline? >> reporter: parents across the country still struggle to find formula. and here's what the current situation looks like. more than 20% of formula products have been out of stock for the past month. that includes powder, ready to drink, and liquid formula. and to try to help inventory, this week retailers continued to limit how much people can buy at stores. kroger said it was limiting purchases to four containers per person. target and cvs confirmed to cnn they had limits in place. walgreens was limiting customers

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the body of former japanese prime minister shinzo abe was returned to tokyo today ahead of

his funeral next week. the former statesman was assassinated yesterday while making a campaign speech in nara, japan. >> reporter: one of japan's most high profile figures, although controversial at times, shinzo abe was respected and beloved by many. in the wake of his death, condolences have been pouring in from around the world. >> i would like to say just a very few words about the horrific, shocking killing of my friend japanese prime minister abe. service to his country and his people was in his bones even after he stepped down from public office to focus on his hotel. he stayed engaged. i hold him in deep respect. >> reporter: here in japan, people are saddened and stunned. a country with one of the lowest gun crime rates shaken by abe's violent death. >> translator: people thought

japan was safe. we never imagined he would lose his life in that way. what happened feels like an incident that shook the foundations of japan's safety. >> translator: in all honesty, i don't think this is a security issue. the person who did this is in the wrong. so then how can we build a society where these kind of things don't happen? that's what i want. >> reporter: in tokyo, hundreds gathered in the streets close to abe's home, mourning a leader who left a strong legacy. >> translator: really, when i remember all the things abe did for japan, i feel like i'm going to get teary-eyed. i wanted to pay my final respects to him. >> reporter: japan's prime minister also mourning his former colleague and friend. >> translator: as a colleague and a cabinet member supporting the abe cabinet, he was a good friend of mine who i spent a lot of time with. i have no words. i would like to express my condolences from the bottom of

my heart. >> reporter: the funeral and memorial service for the former prime minister will be held on monday and tuesday. with attendance limited to close family and friends. but the entire nation will be grieving. feelings of sadness, anger and shock still settling in. blake essex, cnn, tokyo. >> here to discuss the implications of abe's assassination, atlantic council senior fellow jamie metzl, a former executive vice president of the asia society and a former national security council staff member in the clinton administration. so good to see you, jamie. so even though he had stepped down as prime minister, abe was still a towering figure in japanese politics. so how might this assassination reshape the country? >> prime minister abe wasn't just a towering figure. he was one of the most important political figures in all of post-war japan.

and he represented the idea that japan has earned the right to be a normal country like any other country with its own military, able to function like any other military. and he is going to be in many ways more powerful alive, through his legacy, than even he was just a week ago. it's almost like obi-wan kenobi. because this idea that japan has earned this right to be normal, i think that's taken root. and we're going to see a very, very different japan going forward. >> and then under abe, you know, relations with china and south korea were, you know, seen by many as rather chilly. so will his influence over those relationships change now that he is gone? >> we need to differentiate between japan's relation with china and with korea. korea has had a lot of tension with japan.

japan, as you know, is korea's former colonial over-lord, and there's still a lot of bad feeling and sensitivity. people on both sides are trying in good faith to improve that relationship. china is totally different. there was a very brutal history of japan's occupation and role in china during the second world war. but the chinese government has been absolutely manipulative in its relationship with japan, has fully distorted the history and certainly about 7.5 million chinese people died under japanese occupation in the second world war, and obviously that's horrific, but china continually harps on that without referencing that 47 million chinese people died under mao and the chinese communist party, which is in some ways responsible for those deaths, never mentions it.

i think the relationships are on the mend and maybe this will create an opportunity in japan's relationship with china where china has been manipulative, ruthless, and japan has realized there is no possible partnership with china, and that's why it needs a stronger relationship with the united states, australia, india and others. >> when police search are the confessed shooter's house, they found multiple homemade guns. will this force japan to reexamine its belief, you know, that there is no gun culture in that country? i mean, obviously this is still an anomaly, but how do you see this incident, this assassination reshaping their feeling of safety and guns? >> well, there's an intangible feeling of safety. if you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe regardless of the

statistics. but japan was and is one of the safest countries in the world. they have one of the lowest incidence of gun violence in the world. this is not a case like we have here in the united states where everybody has a gun. this is somebody who made their own gun. so i don't think this will have much of an implication on the story of guns in japan. but japan also has a question not nearly as strong as we do in the united states, what constitutes a culture? how do we come together, how do we make sure we have the level of diversity that's healthy in any democracy but also the level, the right amount of coming together around shared goals? that's why not just the opportunity of grieving around this terrible loss of prime minister abe, but this is a moment of soul searching for japan about what japan wants the next century, its next century to look like.

and as i said earlier, what prime minister abe represented is that japan has the right to be a normal country with a normal military. and japan deserves to celebrate its incredible record over the past 70 plus years of leading the world in humanitarian aid, in helping the most vulnerable populations around the world. prime minister abe in many ways was committed to that future. and i believe that japan has a very bright future ahead. >> all right, jamie metzl, a pleasure to have you. thank you very much. >> my pleasure, any time. a ukrainian official says russia launched six missile strikes on a residential area of the city of mykolaiv in southern ukraine today. in kharkiv, russian artillery hit residential areas that have city as well. four people were hospitalized including one child, including

to ukrainian military officials. video shows extensive damage to an apartment block on the city's outskirts. russian forces have intensified their attacks in the area in recent weeks. cnn's alex marquardt is in kharkiv. alex, what more can you tell us, as you are now in nightfall? >> reporter: fredericka, the city was rocked by that attack in downtown kharkiv earlier today. it was particularly unnerving for the city because it was in the center of the city and it was during daylight when many of the strikes tend to take place at night and farther from the city center. we did hear from the regional military administration that said that the russians are acting unpredictably, trying to intimidate the civilian population. fred, we visited the site of the strike from earlier today. take a look. this is what it looks and feels like that'sese days, to live in ukraine's busiest city. it was a beautiful saturday morning in kharkiv until 10:00

when the sound of a huge explosion just tore across this city. this is where that russian strike happened, just look at the size of this missile strike. it left a huge crater in one of the most central areas of the city. this is one of the most central strikes in recent weeks. we are in the inside courtyard of a two-story residential building. the force of the blast taking down the two floors of that house right there. we're told by a neighbor that the family that lives there, thankfully, had left. they now live in germany. authorities said no one was killed in the strike. there are however several wounded. one of them was a woman who lived right over there. she was caught under the you will be and she actually called her daughter from under that rubble before she was taken away by rescuers to the hospital. we met her daughter when we got here to the scene. she was understandably very troubled. she was on the phone with her mother. she was picking up things for

her mother to take to the hospital, her wheelchair, clothes, and a pet bird. fredericka, local officials are asking people to stay off the streets, to stay in safe places. violence is also flaring up particularly around the cities of kherson and mykolaiv. kherson has an airport north of the city that was hit repeatedly by the ukrainian side. in mykolaiv, the mayor says six missiles from the russian side hit that city, targeting both residential and business buildings. thankfully, the mayor says, no one was hurt. fredericka? >> all right, alex marquardt, thank you so much. we'll be right back. [whistling]

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>> reporter: secretary of state antony blinken said they will not rest until griner and other detainees are reunited with loved ones. >> they said she's eating well, able to read books. under the circumstances she's doing well. most important, i was able to share with ms. griner a letter from president biden and ms. griner was able to read that letter. >> reporter: president biden's letter to griner, following her letter to him pleading for her release, part of a ramped-up pressure campaign on the biden administration by griner's family and advocates, including a rally on wednesday night in phoenix. >> i'm frustrated that my wife is not going to get justice. >> reporter: has her family's pressure and the biden administration's reaction to it raised the asking price for brittney griner in a trade? >> well, that's an interesting question. the russians are nothing if not mercenary. the more prominent the person

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a section of yosemite national park is currently engolfed in flames as the wash burn fire continues to burn. but while firefighters work to extinguish a growing number of fires across the west just one authorized drone is all it takes to bring the efforts to a stand still. cnn's stephanie elam has the exclusive story on a first of its kind program in california to get drones out of the danger zone. >> reporter: just one rogue drone -- >> it makes our aircraft divert or land. >> reporter: -- is all it takes

to ground a fire fight from the sky. >> it's mandatory stop when we see drones in the zone. we don't know what the operator is going to do, so the damage is exte extensive. >> let alone the danger to firefighters on the ground. while unauthorized drones can stop aircraft from dropping crucial water or fire retardant on the blaze, the blaze burns on. >> it continues to get bigger, threatens peoples' home, property. >> but los angeles county fire is going on the offensive, partnering with the fbi in a first of a kind drone program that can hone in on drone in sections. >> when detection equipment finds the drones, identifies the operator's location we can get that to a ground interaccept te. >> i set this up so i would be

notified if a drone crosses within the location and it is very accurate, speed, direction, elevation, where he took off from, and where he's standing. >> what happens when they do get to whoever is operating the drone? >> the first thing we do is order them to get the drone back, there's a wildfire and flying that drone during the fire is actually a federal felony. we bring violators into three categories, clueless, careless or criminal. if it's clueless or careless we'll issue a citation. the overwhelming majority of people are happy to comply. >> it's a game changer. >> reporter: los angeles fire deploys its own drones. >> they can get a bird's eye view. >> helping scout fires and target hot spots. >> we can do a 360 degree lap around the fire and pinpoint where the fire is.

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