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and the last two chicks are hatching right now. >> patagonia life on the edge of the world rempremieres tomorrow night at 9:00 right here on cnn. welcome back, you are live in the cnn newsroom, i'm phil mattingly in washington in for jim cacosta. what did the trump white house lawyer tell the january 6th committee? that answer could come as soon as tuesday at the next january 6th committee public hearing. for nearly eight hours on friday pat cipollone answered questions about the former president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. multiple sources tell cnn the committee learned new information that is, quote, very important and extremely helpful. >> i will say mr. cipollone did
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appear voluntarily and answer a whole variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses, and i think we did learn a few things, which we will be rolling out in hearings to come. >> during pivotal moments, cipollone was in the know and very much in the room, including the oval office on january 3rd shooting down trump's plan to replace the acting attorney general with an election denying doj lawyer. and two sources say he was with trump during the riot itself watching it unfold on television. with me now is former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york elie honig who is also a cnn senior legal analyst. elie, let's be honest here. neither of us were in the room for all eight hours, which would have been great for news, but less good for actual having a life. that said, we have gotten bits and pieces from our reporting from our team at cnn about what
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pat cipollone was asked about when he may have said. what's your biggest takeaway from the snippets we have gotten about what we've learned so far. >> phil, indeed, we were not in the room. i think there were several things we could safely conclude. there's no prosecutors or investigators would spend seven or eight hours with pat cipollone if they thought he was fudging things or giving him half truths. clearly they credited what he had to say. he was everywhere. we've heard about six or seven sort of distinct schemes, the doj scheme, the fake electors scheme. he was there as a witness for all of them, and typically he was there in the capacity of trying to tamp down some of the worst excesses and abuses, so the fact that the committee held him for that long, the fact that w what we just heard from representative lofgren tells us he had crucial testimony, i'm really looking forward to seeing at least some of that at the next hearing on tuesday. >> the congresswoman definitely laying out a tease as we may call it in the tv business there.
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i do want to play for you what fbi director christopher wray told my colleague, our colleague evan perez about charging people in connection with january 6th. take a listen. >> does that mean anybody who was involved at all levels? >> so we're going to follow the facts wherever they lead no matter who likes it. we're going to follow the law, and proper predication. there have been, i think, 840 or so people charged, and i think there have been about 300 or so people who have already pled guilty. i'm going to let the facts speak for themselves as the investigations develop, and if there are charges against individuals, the public will see that through the charges that the justice department brings. >> elie, you have been outspoken and at times critical of the justice department's investigation into january 6th. when you listen to what the fbi director said there, translate it for me. what was your takeaway from that statement? >> well, phil, this is the standard talking point we've heard from leaders of doj and the fbi, and to be fair, it's all they can say.
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they can't give us details about what's going to happen in the future, but at some point this rhetoric about we'll go to any level has to yield to the reality of here we are. we are a year and a half after january 6th, not a single person with any nexus to any type of official power has been charged with anything, and when i say that, when i point that out, it's not just because i'm impatient, it's because doj by its own delay by the slow pace of this investigation is really undermining its ability to ever bring a successful case. first of all, as a prosecutor, you have to get to the key witnesses first, and we've seen the doj missed out on cassidy hutchinson. we don't know whether doj may have missed out on pat cipollone. you never want your witnesses being questioned outside of your control. you don't want them creating this other testimony that can later be used against them. you have to think about a jury here. it's a big enough leap to ask a jury to conviction for the first time in our history, unanimously, 12 to 0 a former
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president. if a day comes when donald trump declares his candidacy, now you're asking a jury to convict a front runner, a nominee, and your task gets that much more difficult. there are signs this investigation is slowly expanding. the slow pace is hurting doj's own cause. >> the slow seems to be the key caveat there. the justice department did release new details alleging that members of the oath keepers brought spexplosives to the d.c area and had a death wish of georgia election officials. all the defendants have pleaded n not guilty and denied the allegations, but give us an idea of how you separate the possible culpability of these extremist groups but also former president trump. >> yeah, doj has done a very good job of charging and bringing out information against extremist groups including oath keepers and proud boys, and i think that new detail that came out last night is an indication of just what a threat those groups posed. one of the big things that we still don't know from the
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committee hearings or really from doj is whether and to what extent there were links, connections between those extremist groups and people in or around the trump white house, trump campaign, trump's advisers. that i believe is going to be one of the topics of focus at the tuesday hearing. that's something we just don't know. if there is a clear link there, that would be a game changer. we've not seen evidence that there is a clear decisive link just yet. >> they haven't drawn it yet. there's another thing we're learning, it popped yesterday on friday. the former president is considering waving executive privilege for steve bannon, trump's former adviser. he's set to go on trial later this month on criminal contempt charges for refusing to cooperate with the january 6th committee. let's be perfectly clear here, bannon was not a white house adviser at the time this was all happening, so the privilege claim is always a little bit odd to me, and i'm not a lawyer, so that's an important caveat there. do you -- why do you expect -- why would there be a potential change of heart in terms of bannon cooperating, in terms of
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trump signing off on this? >> there almost certainly is no executive privilege claim there. donald trump's a former president. steve bannon was not in government at the time, and the subject matter is likely not covered by executive privilege, so in the final analysis here, donald trump is waving. he's giving up something that he almost certainly doesn't even have in the first place. this feels to me like a stunt. this feels to me like some sort of defiance by donald trump. if he has these notions that steve bannon's going to march into the committee in front of the cameras and set everyone straight and sort of defend donald trump, i think he's kidding himself. i don't think the committee would allow that to happen, and if they did, i do not think that would go well for steve bannon or donald trump at all. >> yeah, we'll have to see what happens there. elie honig, good news for at least for me. you're going to have to stick around. you're joining us later on the hour on newly revealed tapes of adolf ikeman, revealing what he thought about his actually appalling actions. so i'm looking forward to that, elie, thanks so much. see you in a few. that was a legal breakdown.
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now i want to bring in a pair of cnn political commentators, anna navarro, paul begala, they're going to tell us everything that's happening because they know all the things. don't let me down on this one, guys. paul, i want to go to you first. the chatter continues to be that trump is going to make an early campaign announcement to run in 2024. either to change the subject or to shield him maybe from possible culpability. from what you've seen, have these hearings been enough inside the republican party to derail trump's chances of capturing the gop nomination? >> no, phil, not at all. i think he's -- he is in still a very strong position to steam roll ron desantis or glenn youngkin. i still think he has an iron grip, and i think that not only because i talk to folks and follow polls, but look at how republican members of congress have reacted to cassidy hutchinson's testimony, the rest of the testimony on january 6th,
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which is shocking and damning. ms. hutchinson testified under oath she heard the president say he want the magnetometers so people could bring guns and weapons from the congress. and yet not a peep, not a peep from some of the people who may have been targeted by those rye k rioters. not a peep. i think the republicans are so cowed by trump, you can still hear him moo. i think he's going to announce. all these people think maybe he won't. have you ever known a narcissist to say hey, turn off the camera. i don't want any attention. not me. >> i feel like you've been asking some version of that question about republicans breaking from trump for the last six years. apparently continue to ask it. anna, paul brought up ron desantis. obviously he's kind of the hottest commodity in the republican party right now. he's seen as a potential alternative to trump by many people. he has tons of money in the bank. if trump's already in the race, do you feel like that blunts the opportunity for desantis to really launch a challenge?
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>> you know, first thing ron desantis has to do is win the governor's race and win it strongly, right? it showed that he is dominating in this very important state. look, i live in florida, i'm in florida right now. donald trump is in florida, ron desantis is in florida. you know, part of me wonders how much of this that donald trump is supposedly considering doing announcing early, has to do because he can't stand the fact that the spotlight is moving on from him and that people are talking more and more about ron desantis and others as successors and people that would be better nominees with less baggage. and i sometimes ask myself what would happen if donald trump tried to show ron desantis a lesson and said to republicans in the base, you know, let's show him who's boss and not vote for him in the governor's race. but look, let me say this. as a floridian, i know so many
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people who loved jed bush, but when it came to jed bush versus donald trump, they voted for donald trump. though i think ron desantis is very well liked by the republican base in florida, not just national donors and republicans, if you pick donald trump versus ron desantis in florida where they're both from, donald trump wins, and i don't say that happily or lightly. >> so paul, we've asked our resident floridian, our florida base question. i want to ask our resident democrat our democrat based question. the cnn poll has president biden's approval at 38%. we've seen california governor gavin newsom is running an ad in florida kind of taunting desantis, really kind of grappling with the message that a lot of democrats would like the white house to take to some degree. as a democrat, are you looking for a bide en comeback or looking for biden to hand off to
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someone in the party, newsom or anyone. >> democrats have to get biden's numbers up. n newsom is showing the way. he's doing something unusual for a democrat, he's attacking republicans. if you look at my party, you ask a democrat anything, all they do is whine about joe biden. he's not doing enough on student -- what they're doing is telling liberals, especially younger voters that joe hasn't come through for 35 vote in the last election. he's at 25% now with that same age cohort. it used to be the strongest age cohort, he's had a total collapse there. if democrats would symtop attacking biden and start attacking republicans, then i think biden can go back up, as long as his own people are attacking him, it's like they're all in the same boat, but some of the left are poking holes in
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the left and then blamiiing bid for getting record. >> it is a remarkable circular firing squad when you talk to people on both sides of pennsylvania avenue. that i totally agree with you. anna as republicans look to retake the white house in 2024, do you think they'd like a run against biden, or biden's already proven he can beat trump. he won 81 million votes and knocked auoff the dozen or so democrats that already ran. would they prefer somebody else, perhaps somebody more left in the party. >> i think most republicans think that biden is beaten. the reason most republicans think that is not only because of inflation and all those other issues, it's because democrats keep saying that. they're basically just quoting back democrat. democrats if they're going to nominate biden again have got to shut up and put up and support their nominee.
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you know, it befuddles me that democrats are always talking about biden's age. biden is just a couple of years older than donald trump, and biden is actually in good shape, not that i should talk, but the guy fell off a bike because he was on a bike to begin with. you know, not just a golf cart. so i think democrats have got to stop giving the republicans the talking point when it comes to biden, and i'd also say, look, i was on the mccain campaign, and i remember there were many who thought, gosh, we hope brarack obama is the nominee because he will be easier to beat than hillary clinton. boy were people wrong, and so be careful what you wish for because you just may get it. >> yeah, famous last words of a lot of political campaigns, regardless of top of the ticket or down the ballot. as always, my friends, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thanks, phil. coming up next, japan's prime minister, former prime minister gunned down during a campaign speech. that assassination shocking the world as we learn more about the
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and nearly 60 years of quality coverage make the right call and go with the general. the body of japan's former prime minister shinzo abe is back in tokyo now with funeral services scheduled for monday and tuesday. shinzo abe was assassinated yesterday, shot dead by a man with a handmade gun during a campaign speech in central japan. abe was japan's longest serving prime minister, four terms in office. joining me now from tokyo to talk about the former prime minister and his legacy, tom he coe tam gucci, special adviser to the former prime minister. thank you so much, first and foremost, my condolences, i can't imagine this moment for you, this moment for the country. you know, it's been 24 hours. how are you personally processing what happened yesterday? >> i don't think i can process anything, and i don't think i can do that now or in the
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future. the loss is so much painful, i don't think i can fill the void in any way. >> one of the things -- when president biden spoke about this several times yesterday, and he made clear one -- called the former prime minister his friend, made clear they worked often and well together when he was vice president in particular, but his concern was not for the relationship between the u.s. and japan, which he made clear was very stable and would continue to be so. it was for the japanese people who are not used to gun violence like this or not used to political assassinations in any way, shape, or form in the last 90 or so years. said he was concerned this would have a profound effect on the japanese psyche. what's your read on that? >> it's too early to say because the incident is very much an isolated nature. you get a very much isolated person who has chosen to cut his
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out of the mainstream community, and he tried a lot of things to create a fate, create a fateful weapon, which actually he used to kill one of the greatest political leaders in japanese history. it's a homemade gun. you couldn't -- he couldn't use that twice. it was a one-off weapon, so this remains very much an isolated incident. so i wouldn't think this would affected that much the political atmosphere and the collective psyche of the japanese people. >> i want to ask you about the legacy of the former prime minister. you know, we live in a time of hyperbole and overstatement, but it is not either to say he was the most transformative political leader certainly over the course of the last 90 years, one of them in the history of japan. what do you think his ultimate
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legacy will be when you look across his time in office, his time at both atop the country but also as a political leader gen generally? >> japan is faced with two very much difficult challenges, major challenges. one is to boost the economy in the country where the population is aging. it's not a -- it's not an easy task, and in order for that to be made possible, you've got to rewrite social contract by which it means that you've got tolto lessen the amount of welfare provision given to the eld let early and pay more to the younger generation using taxpayer's money. that's what shinzo abe was trying to do, and it's remained midway. the second thing is by so doing, by strengthening japanese economy, japan could stand taller in the neighborhood where you get three nuclear power
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nations of russia, north korea, china, none of which has ever experienced anything akin to democracy. so in order for japan to strengthen its diplomatic capital, he needed to cultivate ties with three successive presidents of the united states, and three successive australian prime ministers, and two successive prime ministers of india, and he has done that job marv marvelously, i think. >> and that's kind of one of the final things i wanted to ask you about is in terms of his legacy, his ability on the domestic front to bring the japanese people along with him when it came to his foreign policy goals, when it came to security, when it came to diplomatic relationships, but also internationally, he was one of the first to kind of ring the alarm about the rise of china. he was the one who really drove the creation of the quad. he was using terminology related
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to a free and open indo-pacific that the u.s. has since taken as its own. you worked so closely with him. what drove him in that direction to kind of be a leader on those issues? >> well, it's probably to do with the proximity that you find in japan. if you put china into the map of europe, the projection is very much deceptive. if you put china on the european continent, you will have no italy, no france, no germany, no turkey, not even ukraine. so china's sheer size is that big, and you get the biggest population and that's fast growing, maybe economically. in ten years, china's military is going to be twice as large as it is now. so that much has been well understood by many, but most acutely by the prime minister that passed away.
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so when a lot of nations were still talking about engaging china, he was one of those limited number of people who actually rang an alarm. >> yeah, there's no question about it, and based on what seems like will happen with the upper house elections tomorrow, his policies, his kind of overall perspective certainly driving the day politically. i know this is a very difficult time. i really appreciate you coming in and sharing your thoughts and perspective. >> thank you. yep, thank you. all right, still to come, a uvalde teacher is now speaking out describing the agonizing time he spent in his classroom with the gunman as he waited for officers to breach the room. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." uy. that's it. no sales speak, no wasted time. go to and pick your favorite.
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the mayor of uvalde, texas, says a new report about his police department's response to last month's deadly school shooting is wrong. an outside analysis of that horrible day revealed that an armed uvalde police officer saw the shooter outside the school and did nothing to stop him. uvalde mayor dan mclaughlin says, no, that didn't happen. it's just one of the disagreements between officials about the shooting that left 19 students dead and two teachers also dead. now, one of the survivors is back home after spending more than a month in the hospital. cnn's shimon prokupecz spoke to teacher arnie reyes about the nightmare of bullets flying in his school. >> i started seeing like the sheetrock fly off the walls and stuff like that, and that's when i had told my kids, i don't know
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what it is, but let's get under the table. >> arnie reyes was the only survivor from classroom 111 in robb elementary in uvalde, texas, after a month in the hospital, ten surgeries to bullet wounds in his arm and back, he's finally back home and talking about the day that ripped so many lives apart. >> i was getting the kids under the table. i turned around and when i turned around, i saw him, but i just saw like the shadow, and that's when i saw the two -- like the fire and then i ended up on the ground as well. >> and so you get hit and you go down? >> mm-hmm. >> and what's going on in your mind at that time? >> i'm just thinking and waiting for somebody to come and save us. you always think, you know, something bad is happening, that the cops get there so fast. they rush in and they help you,
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you know, and i was just waiting for that. i was waiting for anybody, anybody to come save us. >> we now know it would be a long and agonizing 74 minutes before police would enter reyes' classroom to kill the gunman. >> he did a lot of things to make me flinch or react in some way, and that was one of them where he -- he like got -- like as i'm laying down, like either like this or like this tapping it, but it was splashing on my face. >> the blood. >> was he trying to see if you were still alive? >> i think so. >> you're laying there for over an hour, right? and no one's coming to help. what do you think of that?
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>> that they forgot us. i mean, they probably thought that we were all dead or something, but if they would have gone in before, some of them probably would have made it. >> it's a question many are struggling with as precious seconds ticked by, could lives have been saved if officers acted sooner. 19 students and two teachers would lose their lives that day. the subject of multiple ongoing investigations, it's been called one of the biggest law enforcement failures in recent memory. officers feet away on the other side of the door. >> a lot of the law enforcement failed because they take that oath to protect.
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i was in there to protect the kids, but i had no bullet vest or bullet proof vest or any tactical gear that they use, and they had everything. >> when did you realize that the children that were around you were dead or were not going to make it? >> after they shot him and the border patrol said, anybody get up. let's go, let's go, you know, like try to get the kids up. nobody moved but me. and then somebody else said there's children under here. the children were dead under the
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table. but there was nothing i could do, just so. >> your children . >> yeah, my children. >> shimon prokupecz, cnn, uvalde, texas. >> thanks to shimon for that powerful reporting. still to come, he was known as the architect of the holocaust. now newly released tapes revealing how adolf ikeman bragged about his horrific actions all in his own words. transfers heat away from your body... you feel cool, night after night.
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decades after nazi war criminal a adolf eichmann denie his role in the holocaust, we are hearing a confession. in his own words, recently unearthed audio tape take center stage. in them eichmann defends the holocaust and even expresses pride in the murder of millions of jews. cnn has more on these recordings that were secret until now. >> reporter: when adolf eichmann stood trial in 1961 in jerusalem, he claimed he didn't know the extent of the holocaust and was just following orders. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: but a few years earlier in 1957 while hiding in argentina, eichmann spent hours boasting about his role, all recorded on tapes meant for memoirs. now after decades under wraps, the israeli documentary, "the devil's confession" is allowing
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the world to hear eichmann in his own voice as actors reenact the recording sessions. [ speaking foreign language ] >> in 1960 eichmann was apprehended, bringing him to israel to stand trial after which he was ultimately executed. prosecutors knew the tapes existed. they had transcript, but eichmann claimed his words were distorted. the director spent movnths convincing the anonymous donor who had placed the tapes at the german archives to give him
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access. >> they are very afraid to this day of what will be the use of the real voice of adolf eichmann and eventually they gave us permission because they knew it's going to be handled in this -- in a good direction. >> with so few survivors still alive to tell their stories, the filmmakers hope these tapes will make sure we never forget. hadas gold, cnn, jerusalem. >> back with me now is cnn legal analyst, elie honig. i'm really happy you're here. when i was reading this i thought about the documentary you've done about the 60th anniversary of the eichmann trial. we'd spoken about it on air. you spoke to a prosecutor, you spoke to an investigator from that trial. what have you learned in researching this topic? >> yeah, phil, i really had the remarkable privilege to speak to these two men who were part of that trial team that prosecuted and convicted adolf eichmann. as you said, i spoke with one of the prosecutors who was in his
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90s at the time, when he was a child, his family fled from the nazis all across europe. i also spoke with michael goldman who was one of the lead investigators in the case when he was a child, the nazis captured and murdered essentially his entire family, his mother, his father, his sister, his extended family, and he himself was put in concentration camps. he survived, auschwitz, and a decade and a half later he found himself as one of the lead investigators in that trial, the 1961 trial we just saw clips of. he came face-to-face with his notorious mass murderer. let's take a quick listen. >> i was in my investigation room, and when he entered the room, i saw a poor frightened person shaking, and in comparison to eichmann in his s.s. uniform, i couldn't believe it. it was the same person standing in front of me, responsible for the death of my parents. but when he opened his mouth, i cannot forget this, when he
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opened his mouth, i saw the doors of the crematorium open. >> and what michael goldman told me is he managed to put aside those powerful emotions and do his job and make sure that justice was administered fairly and in an appropriate way, even to this vile nazi mass murderer. >> as someone who's obviously done a ton of research on this, spoken to people directly involved, what do these new tapes add to what we already knew about adolf eichmann? >> these new tapes are absolutely remarkable, phil, and i have to tell you, my heart skipped a beat when i read about them because they completely vindicate gabriel bach and michael goldman on this important point. there was this phrase that became popular around the time of this trial. the banality of evil, it was popularized by a famous american writer named hannah oren. adolf eichmann was this machine that did what any normal average
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person would do in that situation. bach and goldman furiously rejected that. his quote to me was it's rubbish. it was the angriest i've ever saw him get. they gave examples of times when eichmann went out of his way to kill. they told me eichmann wanted to kill as many jewish children as possible to wipe out future generations. eic es these tapes show that bach and goldman were exactly right. there's nothing banal about what eichmann did. he killed because he hated and he was evil. >> it brings that white hot fury when you saw the words. one thing i wanted to ask you about more broadly. gabriel bach, the reason we spoke about him on television some time ago is he passed away. we've seen moments over the course of the last several years
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where it feels like things that we think are very obvious and well-known and taught and historic just realities have faded or been misconstrued or used for improper means to some degree. can you talk to me about the ongoing legacy of both the trial and the ongoing search for justice? >> yeah, phil, so both of the men i interviewed were really quite dismayed at the fact that the lessons from the eichmann trial still remained relevant today, and how many times have you and i and our many colleagues covered horrible incidents here in the united states and abroad where people have committed horrific acts of violence motivated by hate based on race or religion or gender or sexual orientation. so both men entreated me to please make sure that people remember the lessons of that trial that we have to be aware of hate and we have to fight back against hate, and we have to remember that it's always worth the fight to seek justice. >> yeah, no question about that. the documentary is excellent. i highly recommend it.
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you wrote a print piece with it as well. it's on elie honig, thanks so much for your time. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, phil. really appreciate it. all right, and coming up. this is sri lanka, where demonstrators stormed the president's residence, also setting fire to the prime minister's home, more details on all of this coming up next. you're live in the cnn newsroom. uh, how comeme we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers" realally coo. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa. psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen, painful. emge tremfyant®. tremfy® is approved to help reduce joint symptoms in adults
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developing right now, the private home of sri lanka's prime minister has gone up in flames. you see it right there after
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protesters breached the home and set it on fire. the prime minister was not inside. sri lanka's president was also not in his official residence when an estimated 100,000 protesters surrounded it earlier today. demonstrators stormed the residence after breaking through security, some even took a dip in the pool while others went inside rooms at the home and hung banners from the balconies. the unrest comes as sri lanka suf suffers its worst financial crisis in history. the prime minister has said he is willing to resign. back here in the u.s., a historic hotel in nantucket has gone up in flames. the veranda house bed and breakfast dates back to the 17th century, fire crews were responding an off-duty fire captain and bystanders reportedly ran inside to help get guests and staff out.
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the blaze was so big it spread to several homes nearby. part of the charred hotel collapsed in the fire. firefighters are still battling the fire more than eight hours after it erupted. and actor tony sirico has died. everybody knows him as pauly walnuts on "the sopranos." >> this is all a message to your friends. stay away from port north. don't even drive up to jersey, not even on sundays. >> where do we park? back there a half a mile or so. >> you sure? because i thought we kind of looped around. >> four years in the army, kid. we just follow our own footprints. come on. >> wait a minute. you walked in a circle. >> on the show pauly walnuts got his nickname because he hijacked
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we are live in the cnn newsroom, i'm phil mattingly in washington, in today for jim acosta. the january 6th committee securing nearly eight hours of testimony from one of the few people who witnessed donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election from beginning to end. multiple sources saying friday's testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone is, quote, very important and extremely helpful. some of it could even be featured in tuesday's public hearing. here's why the january 6th committee pushed so hard to question cipollone under oath. according to sworn testimony from previous hearings, cipollone was in the oval office


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