tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 14, 2022 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
month to have killed more than 20 civilians. as one official put it, nobody knows where the missiles will land tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow. president zelenskyy mentioned that little girl by name in his nightly address, stressing that she was just four years old. is calling on the international community to label russia a terra state, arguing that of the same thing happened in dallas, surely you would call it terrorism. thank you for that report. i will see you again tomorrow. i will be from saudia arabia. erin burnett starts right now. a source telling cnn a washington police officer who is collaborating details of the heated exchange a trump had with his secret service detail when he was told he could not go to the u.s. capitol. this
devoutly comes as a government watchdog reveals the secret service erased messages from the day of the insurrection, after investigators asked for them. a 10-year-old girl raped and forced to go across state lines to get an abortion. a former federal judge appointed by george w. bush is now standing up to trump, debunking his election lies point by point. he is my guest. let's go out front. good evening. breaking news. a source telling cnn that a washington police officer has corroborated details regarding the heated exchange the former president had with secret service detail when he was told he could not go to the u.s. capitol in march with the rioters after the rally. according to a source, the officer who was there, in the motorcade, not second hand, he was there, has recounted what
he saw to the january 6 committee. you may remember we first heard this was a heated exchange. trump wanted to go, and his detail said that he couldn't. we heard about that from cassidy huthinson. she testified, under oath, about what she said she was told about the incident. >> the president says something to the effect of, i am the president, take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said you have to take your hand off the steering wheel, we are going back to the westwind. we are not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel.
he motioned towards his clavicles when recounting the story to me. >> was mr. engel in the room as he told you this story. >> he was. >> did mr. engel correct or disagree with any part of the story? >> he did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. >> did mr. engel ever come after that, tell you that what was said was untrue? >> neither told me ever that it was untrue. >> okay. now you have someone who was there. not just her hearing about it, someone who was there with that detail, telling you what happened. the secret service official has denied that trump grabbed the steering wheeled, but cnn spoke to secret service staffers who said that for more than here,
stories have been circulating about the behavior trump before and on january 6. now you have someone who was there talking about this heated exchange, corroborating the account by cassidy hutchinson. this comes as we learn the u.s. secret service erased text messages from the day of the insurrection and the day before, deleted those messages after investigators requested them. this is according to a department of homeland security inspector general. that is important. now committee member adam kinzinger tells the wall street journal the committee is still weighing whether to ask trump itself to testify. he said the panel is also deciding whether to request a written interview with mike pence. so far he has given no indication that he wants to engage with the committee, although, of course, people close to him have and he has green lit that. here is what he has said from a speech back in february. >> president trump's that i had the right to overturn the election.
president trump is wrong. frankly, there is no idea more un-american than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. >> evan perez is out front live in washington with the breaking news. what do you know about this new, a very significant, corroboration of the story from cassidy hutchinson. >> this was explosive testimony from cassidy hutchinson, who was relating a story she said she had gotten from the deputy chief of staff at the white house. she said she heard the story and others have come forward saying they heard a similar account. the importance is that you have a metropolitan police officer here in washington who was part of the motorcade who is telling the committee in an interview that this person can cooperate some of what cassidy hutchinson was saying, which was this
incredible scene of an altercation between the president of the united states reaching for the steering wheel, trying to get the motorcade, the limo, to go towards the capital. even going forward and lunging towards the secret service agent that protects him. the lead agent. we don't know exactly what the metropolitan police officer has told the committee, but we know that, in part, we know that this person has corroborated some of what cassidy hutchinson says. obviously, this only increases the scrutiny from the committee on what exactly the secret service can tell about what happened on that day, that key day. >> in that context with a metropolitan police officer corroborating 70s some of these details, the secret service has
not yet come out and give a more detailed. in fact, sources have been trying to deny it. in that context, these messages you are reporting on, the text that were erased by the secret service, seem very significant. >> right. again, as to the scrutiny of his what happened with the text messages. the office of inspector general for homeland security has been looking into the conduct into exactly what the secret service was doing in the handling of events on january 5 and january 6. all of that. as a result, they asked for access to text messages, emails, documents from january 5 and january 6. according to the inspector general, they notified congress about this.
the secret service says that as a result of a change of a device system they were using, messages were deleted, erased. so they have no record of what was in these text messages that the inspector general, who was doing an investigation, wanted to have access to. we should mention that the secret service has managed to turn over hundreds of thousands of pages of documents to the inspector general, but those key dates, january 5 and january 6, are very important for this investigation. the inspector general and this committee want to know what messages were being exchanged by the agents who were, perhaps, involved in this altercation and other parts of this. i should also note, we know the committee is also engaging with the driver who was involved in that story the cassidy hutchinson told.
that person is engaging with the committee. they are looking to try to get that person to come in for an interview. >> that would be hugely significant. that particular detail really did capture people and made everyone stop. stay with me. i want to add former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and former trump white house communications director. you know all these players. let's start off with the new detail. someone coming out who was there in the motorcade corroborating the account by cassidy hutchinson of a heated altercation. >> this was very significant. maga world and trumpworld used this story, the one piece of hearsay in her entire testimony, to weaponized
against her and try to undercut her credibility. now to have somebody come forward and actually be able to corroborate that bit of evidence, it only lends the extreme credibility she has. congressman raskin said earlier this week that come after sitting down with pat cipollone, he corroborated a significant amount of the testimony from cassidy hutchinson as well. i have said from the outset, but the facts play out. i have the highest level of respect for her integrity. but there were also be people who come out and show she is telling the truth. the pushback we're seeing from trumpworld is not under oath. it is simply people trying to protect themselves. >> it is important to emphasize that. what is the significance of this? let's say that now we're getting to she set it, people there corroborated, let's get to the heart of it. if it occurred, why is it so
significant? >> corroboration. there is a reason investigators are obsessed with corroboration. you do get the scenarios where one person says it happened this way and another person says absolutely not. you have to use common sense. first of all, cassidy hutchinson under oath, the people denying it, not yet under oath. we have pat cipollone and his testimony, not inconsistent with what she said. we have reporting that this was a story circulated widely throughout secret service. and now i have this, the strongest piece of evidence we have seen yet. the key point is undisputed. donald trump wanted to go to the capitol, in the secret service prevented him. we know that because donald trump admitted that. he set it, bragged about it, an interview with the washington post. >> added to this, what we're hearing, and i can't give contacts, i can just say that we have learned members of the select committee have gone together to the office of nancy pelosi.
i know that you don't know exactly why that is happening either, but i note that is a significant development here at 7:12 pm eastern time. >> we don't know what that meeting is about. obviously, there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of things we have just learned today, including some of these concerning things about messages being deleted from the secret service. they obviously have a hearing coming up next week, which is supposed to be a pretty important hearing, to try to tell the narrative that the committee is laying out. we don't know what this meeting is about, but we know that there is a lot of new information coming in, including for witnesses who we know are engaging with the committee about possible new testimony. >> let's talk about those messages. they requested messages from the secret service, who would know a lot about the president
and what he was thinking and doing, they could have texted about that. they get a request for the text messages, and after that comes in, they are deleted for those two particular days. they say because of a device which. >> wow, do i have questions. at a minimum, this is an embarrassment and disgrace for the secret service. if there is prove somebody had those messages deleted intentionally, that is a crime. that is evidence tampering. also, it happened symes times where there is a subpoena or notice of an investigation, and you freeze in . it is called a freeze order. if someone allowed those to be deleted, but that is a violation as well. i went through a couple of these device upgrades when i was with doj, they say the hand in your be burned to get a blackberry, and a few years
later, you get a full. but why would they delete text messages off the actual devices? >> it would violate federal record-keeping laws. you should be archiving in real time. >> the other thing we have learned, more about the call from president trump to a witness. liz cheney suggested that this was witness tampering and sinister. of the time, you are saying it is just making a call because nobody picked it up. now we know more about who we was calling. that may change the tenure. this person is someone who didn't routinely communicate with. this was a person who was a member of the support staff. when we look back at the testimony from cassidy hutchinson, a lot of things might have evolved support staff , throwing food against the wall comes to mind. what you think about this story? >> i think that something that trump probably never thought about is the eyes and ears all around the westwind.
the support staff that keeps the operations going to have access to his private dining room while he is having phone calls. he often takes them on speakerphone. or in the oval office walking with him to the private residence. the person this seems to be could have had extraordinary access. my guess is the former president would not have even thought about the fact they were hearing and witnessing things. >> now you know who the call was to. and member of the support staff. >> makes a difference. still not enough evidence to charge witness tampering. but now this is not somebody who the president normally would have been in contact with. if it was somebody he talked to weekly or monthly, that is different. i don't know the reason why a former president will be reaching out to a member of the household staff. that is even more suspicious. >> thank you so much with all the breaking news. next, some republicans are not backtracking after calling
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tonight a man has been charged with raping a 10-year-old girl in ohio who was forced to cross state lines for an abortion because of the strict six week abortion ban in ohio. the suspect admitted to raping the girl on at least two occasions. the story is horrible and unconscionable, but if the story wasn't horrific enough, you have to add this. several republican officials and conservative media outlets have publicly questioned whether the story was even real. >> felony of the 1st degree. took the man accused of raping a 10-year-old car and impregnating her is behind
bars. it took his arrest by police in ohio to quiet the firestorm of doubt over a story that spread across the country. the and at annapolis star reported first of a 10-year-old victim from ohio who traveled over state lines for an abortion in indianapolis, six weeks and three days pregnant, according to the doctor who assisted the girl. just days after the supreme court knocked down roe v wade and ohio band abortions after as early as six weeks. >> 10 years old. six weeks pregnant. already traumatized and forced to travel to another state. imagine being that little girl. just imagine being that little girl .
>> reporter: critics unleashed a torrent of criticism. the wall street journal editorial board publishing its opinion of the speech by president biden, including the line, an unlikely story from a biased source that neatly fits the progressive narrative but can't be confirmed. republican lawmakers piled on, taking aim at the reporting, based on a single account from a doctor in indianapolis, who confirmed that she helped the girl get an abortion. republican attorney general of ohio raised serious doubts it happened. >> not a whisper. i know what prosecutors and cops in the state. there is not one of them that would be turning over every rock in their jurisdiction if they had the slightest hint that this had occurred . took another lie, anyone surprised? that was a tweet from representative jim jordan. other conservative media called it a hoax, but after his arrest in the case, that focused on the status of gerson fuentes as
an undocumented immigrant. he is now charged with first- degree sexual assault of a child under the age of 13. if convicted, he faces the possibility of a life sentence. police in franklin county say they opened the investigation after the mother of the girl reported the rape to a child services department in june. >> the victim acknowledged that gerson fuentes was the suspect. >> reporter: the ohio attorney general says he is grateful for the diligent work of the columbus police department in securing a confessio n, but he didn't give an apology. >> tell me what you think i got wrong, and then i will consider whether i should apologize.
i am not aware of anything i was wrong about. i stand by everything i said. >> reporter: jim jordan, he called it a lie, reframing the now deleted tweet with this. >> i never doubted the child. i was responding to a headline from your profession, which happens all the time on twitter. i doubted joe biden. >> this story doesn't end here. the indiana attorney general now says he will investigate the physician who performed the abortion to see whether she properly reported that abortion. an attorney for the physician has responded with this statement. her client took every appropriate and proper action in accordance with the law. the statement goes on to say, we are considering legal action against those who have smeared her, including the indiana attorney general. the indie star is now reported they have actually obtained a copy of the filing that the report the abortion. we are working to get the same document. >> i want to go now to ohio republican state senator. i appreciate your time.
what happened to this trial was horrific. you have to take a moment to think about what this 10-year- old girl endured. but when the story came out, many in your own party attacked her story as a lie invented by liberals to make abortion look bad. did you ever doubt that this case was real yourself? >> you know, i am a mother. as a state senator and mother, i think we can all agree that we are heartbroken for a child he was raped . it is a horrific story. even as a pro-life senator who did not support the heartbeat bill, we can't know every circumstance in which a woman would seek to terminate a pregnancy. in this case, it is a child, a victim of a horrific crime.
i do believe that, you know, i think that government should not require a fourth-grader to have a baby, especially following the victimization of rape . her family needs to make that termination. >> you mentioned the heartbeat law. the law in ohio is in the basher abortion ban after a heartbeat. that is usually somewhere around five or six weeks. there are no exceptions for rape or incest. you always supported these exceptions, even though you are pro-life. why did you feel so strongly about this? frankly, you went against almost everyone in your party in the state legislature on this. >> i think we need to be compassionate and seek to understand and have empathy. we can't know every situation. i have heard from many constituents, some who were married, happily married, had other children, who came to me
and confided in me that they had had to seek termination of a pregnancy for multiple different reasons. with a no exceptions in this bill, i did not feel comfortable. pro-life people like to say that the constitution protects life. we need to protect life, but i also feel is important to protect the lives of those like this 10-year-old girl. god loves her as well. she has a life that deserves to be protected as well. >> what do you say to people? i heard from people, someone said to me, did you hear that story was made up? it was a lie? what you say? i have to be frank, some in the republican party immediately said it was a hoax and made up. >> i thought about something
that ronald reagan said come and i will paraphrase. pro-life and pro-choice need to come together and communicate. when he was asked about being a great communicator, he made a comment, something along the lines of, he communicated great things, but it wasn't because he, himself, was a great communicator. he said it came from the constitution that guided our country for over 200 years. our values and common sense are what need to guide us. we all need to value life. i think we need to value the lives of all of our constituents across the nation. we really need to come together and communicate what is best for people. government can't possibly know and be the solver of every problem.
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tonight more than 1000 cases of monkeypox in the united states, and the number is rising every day. new york, california, illinois among the hardest hit. if i was now found in rural states too. idaho reporting its first known case. vaccine supplies are falling short. u.s. officials have distributed 132,000 doses from the strategic stockpile since may. that may sound like a lot, so let me give you context.
it is inadequate. fulton county, georgia, they have administered 200 noises doses and was gone in 90 minutes. new york has been given around 20,000 doses. you can see the lines. the public health system for scheduling the doses in new york crashed. thousands were turned away. joining me now is doctor anthony fauci. i want to start with those lines. there is a lot of fear out there. people are trying to get access to the vaccine. but the supply is clearly not meeting the demand. what is the problem? >> we just have to get it over from denmark where a substantial supply is. you're talking about 130,000 doses that have been distributed. the numbers you gave are quite correct. but there's a lot more, hundreds of thousands of doses reaching to about 1 million that will be available
relatively soon. the sooner the better, but hopefully within a reasonable period of time. you want to get a much broader coverage of people. right now, the initial vaccines were intended for people who were at risk following exposure, more of a postexposure type of a vaccination. what we really need is to blanket the situation for people at risk. for example, if we talk about, among gay men, if you are in that group and receiving prophylaxis for hiv, i believe that will put you right in the group you should be vaccinated against monkeypox. that is what we hope to do, go from the tens and hundreds of thousands to 1 million or more
relatively soon. >> obviously, you are talking about broader contextually. a population, overall, beyond gay men, who are highly vulnerable in terms of not having protection against this. to ask the question of how it is spreading, more than 1000 confirmed cases right now, 41 states. around the world, it is now 65 countries. that spread has never before happened with monkeypox. and it keeps spreading. has it mutated? >> no. what i believe has happened is that we had this mostly confined to countries in which it was endemic, central and western africa. there has been an increase in cases there. what was happening is that, historically, this was not a problem because decades
ago, virtually everybody was vaccinated against smallpox. but after 1977 , will be stopped vaccinating people, all the sudden, one became vulnerable to a virus that was quite related to that. what we are now seeing is something very unusual. these are non-endemic cases. you're talking about 11,000 throughout the world. the 1000 in the united states is probably another count. that is the reason why, now that we have testing online with commercial enterprises, labcorp, quest, the networks from the cdc, as well as mayo clinic, we should be, and will be, testing literally 10 times the amount of people that we were testing prior. we believe the per valence of this in the community is greater. that is all the more reason to get a broader group of people vaccinated. >> obviously, the parallels
here the summer trying are two the aids crisis. you were headed the nih at that time. you've openly talked about the lessons you learned at the time, and the criticism. the government did not act quickly enough. with monkeypox, we're seeing questions like this. the san francisco chronicle, would monkeypox receive a stronger response if it were not primarily affecting folks? republican senator burr says the government failed this population at the beginning of the aids epidemic, we should not fail them again. there is frustration and fear. do you see any parallels? >> there are certainly parallels because of a demographic group that is somewhat restricted. those individuals are certainly at rest. the one thing we want to do is get away from anything that stigmatizes this group. that is the enemy of public
health. but some of the parallels are not very close. for example, when you show that picture me taking care people in 1981, we didn't know what it was. we didn't have any vaccines. we didn't have any therapies. we were swimming in the dark. right now, we have the capabilities of stopping this. it is up to us to do that. when you hear frustration among the community, part of that is justifiable. we are trying to correct that very quickly by getting as much vaccine to the community that needs it as quickly as we possibly can. but the frustration, i can understand it. in many respects, it is justified. we have got to do better and will do better. >> i appreciate your time. >> good to be with you. next, a federal judge appointed by george w. bush he stood up for supreme court
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why are we talking about this now? because a lot of people still believe in. and now is the time that some people are standing up to debunk this again, one by one, to try to break through to the americans who still believe the lies. a group of prominent conservatives debugging trump's election lies in a new 72 page report. they conclude that there is absolutely no evidence of fraud in the 2020 presidential election on the magnitude necessary to shift the result in any state. in fact, there was no fraud to change the outcome in even a single precinct. these are the facts. we hear it again and again. now it is so important. the come out with this report debunking it one by one. you hope somebody will read it who needs to see it. i retire federal judge, thomas griffith, who was appointed by george w. bush, is one of the authors of the report. you have seen all this. bill barr said this two years ago. and yet, you took the time,
over a year to investigate, all of these claims of voter fraud state-by-state, precinct levels. a 72 page report. for the first time you are speaking out publicly. and yet, on the dig you do this, trump comes out on his social media platform and says there has been massive election fraud, and many millions believe him. what do you say to the former president tonight? >> it is just not true. year and a half ago i pulled together a group of friends and fellow conservatives, people who have been involved with the conservative movement for decades. we wanted to get to the truth of the matter. the president was making serious claims, which if true, would be very troubling. we wanted to find out for ourselves. we didn't want to rely on what cnn had to say or the new york times or anyone else. we decided to do a deep dive ourselves. we looked at every claim of fraud or irregularity in the battleground states, arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada,
pennsylvania, wisconsin. we looked at them meticulously. we went in with an open mind. if there was fraud, we wanted to discover it, and we would be on the forefront of the battle to reform the election system. but we found, at the end of the result, we found that with the trump administration, department of homeland security said that there was no fraud on a level that would change the outcome of the election. we discover that what pat cipollone, the white house counsel said, was true. there was not enough fraud in any precinct to change the outcome. we came forward with this because we want to tell fellow conservatives. we are still hoping that, a fellow conservatives hear it from conservatives, people who have dedicated their life to
the conservative movement, but maybe they will stop and look at the evidence and see that coming in fact, donald trump lost the election. it was not stolen. >> to this point about who was going to -- you know, if you can move people to believe the truth. a new york times poll asked voters who won the 2020 election. less than 30% of republicans recognized joe biden as the winner. 61% of republicans, about 25% of the country, said that donald trump was through the rightful president of the united states. what is the most compelling evidence that you would want to stress to those 61% of registered republicans? >> i am a judge. it won't be surprising to you that what was most compelling to me was when we looked in depth at the 64 cases that were
brought by president trump and his allies, challenging the results. and not one of them could they present any evidence of fraud. they lost all of their claims. these were judges who were appointed by republicans, democrats, across the board. in our system, we have a mechanism to challenge elections that we think went wrong. president trump and his allies were fully within their rights to go to the courts and challenge, but they lost. they lost across the board. they lost totally and completely. what worries me most about that statistic that you gave is that we have 30% of americans who think the election was stolen. the social psychologists who has done more work about why we
are polarized in a country said something interesting about that. he predicted a cataclysmic failure of american democracy. he said we just don't know what happens to a democracy when you drain all trust from the system. we are here to tell fellow conservatives that you can trust the system. our election administration system is solid. the most surprising thing i learned in this report was that, i had grown up with the stories of the bad old days when ballot stuffing occurred in philadelphia and that people voted in chicago, those are the old days. that has changed. we have professionalized the system so that it is not perfect, but there is no chance of the type of fraud the president trump and his allies allege. no chance that would happen. >> i hope that is the message that gets through. there is no chance. it has continually reformed and improved. thank you. i appreciate your time.
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tonight ivana trump, the ex- wife of donald trump and mother of donald junior, ivanka, and eric trump passed away at her home in new york. that is according to the former president. she was 78 years old. kate bennett is out front. kate, what do we know about what happened? it appeared this was quite sudden and a shock. >> reporter: yeah, all we know is just after noon today in new york city paramedics were called to her home where she was found unresponsive and unconscious. the fire department, the police, the medics pronounced her dead on the scene there. the police later said there was no evidence of criminality. the medical examiner's office in new york will have to determine the exact cause of death. but, yes, she was found unresponsive, unconscious in her home in new york city. >> so, kate, what was her relationship with donald trump like? obviously the divorce itself was nasty, as nasty as it gets.
>> right. >> but it was a long, multi- decade very complicated relationship. >> they met in the late '70s. they got married un1977 when donald trump was on his rise to becoming a real estate mogul. she was right there alongside him. she joined him in business. she was essential to the management of a lot of his properties. their marriage deteriorated sort of towards the end of the '80s. he, of course, had a very public affair with marla maples who became his second wife. their divorce, i'm old enough to remember, was splashed all over the tabloids. she got a settlement which was a lot of money at the time. but through the years their relationship mended. they were friendly. they were in contact. if we remember in 2017, she said that donald trump actually offered her the ambassadorship to the czech republic. she was from czechoslovakia under communist rule.
she turned it down because she liked the life the way it was, the travel, and the glamorous life. donald trump released a statement calling her wonderful and beautiful and that she was beloved by many, and clearly their relationship through the decades had mended itself, and ivanka trump released a statement on twitter acknowledging her mother as a beautiful and special woman, and eric trump did as well. and clearly this is something that the trump family is going to be mournful about. ivana was the matriarch. she was a key individual in their lives while they were growing up in new york city. >> kate bennett, thank you very much. next up, the buffalo supermarket where ten people were killed in a racist shooting set to reopen with added security. hey greg? uhh, hello? it's s me, your heart!
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the buffalo supermarket where ten people were killed in a racist rampage in may is reopening. the tops friendly market store will open tomorrow. it's been a complete renovation. there's a memorial water wall that includes a poem. it reads in part, "let the hopeful healing waters flow, cleansing all pain and fear, all hurt and regret. let the water heal our people." thanks are for joining us. anderson is next. good evening. we have some breaking news toe bring you now involving one of the most dramatic moments of testimony tenth january 6th investigation. just a short time ago a source told cnn that a witness has now corroborated details of a story first relayed by cassidy hutchinson about a condition fron taigs between the former president and his security detail the day of the attack. here's how cassidy hutchinson recounted the details to the committee. >> the president said
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