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to get them all a sap. >> meantime "the new york times" reporting a right-wing lawyer suggested trump declare marshal law to overturn the 2020 election. president biden returning from his controversial trip to the middle east where energy and security alliances may have been overshadowed by the murder of "the washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi. >> with respect to the murder of khashoggi i raised it at the top of the meeting making it clear what i thought of it at the time and think of now. >> the u.s. has made its own mistakes. with covid cases and hospitalizations on the rise, los angeles likely reinstating indoor masking. >> with these very high rates unless we start seeing a slow down in spread, a slow down in what's happening in our hospitals in two weeks we will do a universal indoor masking here. londoners being urged not to travel as a heat wave engulfs europe. other cities now seeing all-time records as blistering
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temperatures bake the continent. i'm laura coates. pamela brown has the day off, and you are here in the cnn newsroom. tonight two new developments that could directly impact the january 6th select committee investigation. and this just days before what could be the final public hearing this coming thursday. secret service says it will respond quickly subpoena it just got from the committee over deleted text messages from january 6th and january 5th. secret service is saying it was part of a device replacement program and nothing malicious in any way. however, the dhs inspector general claims something a little different. that the messages were erased after it asked for them. the service says by the time the first request came in, the phone migration was already under way. meanwhile we're learning about another new possible dimension to the probe.
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kaitlan collins tells us tonight about a stunning memo from an attorney within contact with then-president trump less than two weeks before the insurrection. kaitlan? >> laura, today "the new york times" unearthed, made public this memo from a fringe laura that we hadn't really heard much about before, but this was a person who was giving advice directly to donald trump in december 2020. that crucial period as trump was planning on how he could potentially stop the -- his loss in the election. so william oleson was the lawyer. and olson in a letter to trump three days later basically said the lawyers around donald trump was not serving him well, he as president could use his powers to take control of the election
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result. olson said the justice department and the white house counsel's office could potentially be replaced, and then he told trump what he could do in addition to replacing those people, he needed to order them to file a lawsuit that could challenge the election, what the voters wanted and what the voters decided in 2020. and then there would be other options that they could work onto try and use the powers of the presidency, and that's where olson drops this line. he says on what you can do the media will call this martial law, but that is fake news. and ultimately trump did follow up on some of these things and look into potentially replacing at least the attorney general of the united states with someone who would do his bidding. back to you. >> our thanks to kaitlyn collins and there were chilling moments with the latest round of testimony from the january 6th committee including the former spokesman for the oath keepers. >> i do fear for this next
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election cycle because who knows what that might bring. if a president that's willing to try to instill and -- and encourage to whip up a civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, and regardless of the human impact, what else is he going to do if he gets elected again? all bets are off at that point. >> jason joins me now with more, and i'll note he's the author of the upcoming book "the propagandist, oath keepers and the perils of extremism." i also want to clarify you say you broke away from the oath keepers back in 2016, so you had no hand in what happened on january 6th. but some see that as a weakness in the testimony before the committee. and in "the washington post" a
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contributing columnist criticized the most repeat hearing and saying one felt sympathy for the live witnesses who were used mercilessly, used by the committee. the first is a former member of the oath keepers who had no involvement in january 6th and therefore no material testimony to offer. his presence was apparently to provide a warning to everyone to stay away from groups like the oath keepers and allow him to share his opinions of the danger he thinks trump poses for the future. duly noted. now, for the record mr. aber nathy worked in the republican party for years in west virginia. so he's not without some bias. so what is your reaction to that siticism, and i assume this is not an isolated incident of what you've heard. >> well, i think really my purpose in being there and being asked to testify was to give a historical precedent to the
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group that was there that this is not an isolated incident, it's something that's been building since bundy ranch on and getting more extreme each time to the events that we saw on january 6th. >> were you surprised that you were asked to speak, or did you want to do that? >> well, i mean, i wanted to, but i didn't think i would. i mean, they had thousands of interviews. and, you know, the fact that they want me of all people to come and speak to the select committee and the world, really, still is something i'm having trouble wrapping my brain around. i'm just some guy writing up in the mountains and making artwork. i had a unique perspective and inside view for many years during the revolution of the group and radicalization. i understand why they did it. it's hard to believe all this has happened. >> and speaking of all that's happened, writing for the colorado switchblade, you say you didn't have the foresight to
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anticipate the waves your testimony would cause. tell me about what's happened since. >> well, it's just -- there is no how tos on how to go be part of a historical congressional hearing and investigation. so really i was in survival mode, and i was really as i say in the article kind of clinging to the things i returned to because i'd lost myself for a while. and as i re-claimed kind of my strength and myself again, i went back to -- to who i was. and that was very much rooted in music, in the punk rock scene. so i kind of, you know, draped myself in those icons of part of those influences that help me get back to who i was. and of course we saw that, you know, there were bands putting out -- some of my favorite bands in the world were putting out these statements. and it was disappointing in a way because i feel like they
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didn't listen to what i was saying, it just was a reaction to having the band logo there in front of however many millions of people and not listening to my words. so i hope they didn't get in the way, but at the same time i mean these are old school punk rock guys. you think they would have been okay with the messaging. maybe they're getting old. i don't know. >> so just so i'm clear they were criticizing what you had to say? >> yeah, just the fact i'd borne it and for me i wasn't thinking of that. i was trying to survive this life event, this crazy experience i was thrust into. i don't know any way to prepare for it, so i just kind of did my own thing and was listening to music the whole time and just trying to find my strength. >> you talk about earlier about the idea you were trying to find yourself or actually get out of the oath keepers and in this
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fashion, and thinking about as an ex-spokesperson and employee, i'm guessing you've heard from a lot of people willing to use your own terminology, drinking the kool-aid. what kind of things are they saying to you about what you've testified to or about the fact you're in this prominent position as one of thousands called to testify publicly to the world? >> well, i mean i haven't been reached out too much by anyone i would say that has reached bringing me kool-aid, but i've been reached out by those who have also broken away and saw things for what they were. i think this is process. i think we need to look at deprogramming techniques much as we see with people who have been involved with cults. and it takes time. it takes time to kind of rewire yourself back again to normalcy. and i think that's going to be a very important component moving forward, if we get to a place where our country can begin
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healing again and try to return to the world that once was, i think we're really going to have to take some close looks on what do we do that? how do we encourage people who have been swept up and drank the kool-aid and return back to a baseline? >> jason, you came on a day testifying when they were trying to connect the dots between oath keepers, proud boys, other extremist groups, the white house, and in particular donald trump. what do you hope people took away from your testimony on that day and the day of the hearing? >> just that these are dangerous organizations mostly due to the motivations and the directions that the leadership is taking it. you know, people came out to the bundy ranch to protect a family because there was the notion that there were -- there was a possibility of a waco happening again. and people wanted to make sure that didn't happen in our time period. but that -- that's kind of been hijacked.
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that's been hijacked by people like stewart rhodes, and that same motivation, that same motivational response is now being used to raise funds and further their own personal agendas. and i think we need to try to spread the word that these leaders are not necessarily what people think they are and return to some critical thinking and self-evaluation. >> jason, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. you're in the cnn newsroom, and coming up we're learning new details on ivana trump's cause of death in her home in new york city. also ahead with covid cases and hospitalizations rising, los angeles is now poised to reinstate mask mandates. could other parts of the country be next? and cnn talks to famed activist and conservationist jane goodall about inspiring young women as she is now immortalized as a barbie doll.
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president biden heading back to washington, d.c. after wrapping up his first trip to the middle east as the commander in chief. the visit ended with backlash as you well know after the president fist bumped saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman. now, when he was running for president mr., then-candidate biden promised to make mbs a pariah over saudi arabia's human rights abuses and the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. but now amid the backdrop of rising oil prices and a rapidly changing middle east, the white house says biden wants to reset relations with the kingdom. cnn's nic robertson just sat down for an exclusive interview with the saudi foreign minister,
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and he asked what president biden got out of that controversial fist bump moment. >> he got out of the meeting with a key leader in the region, he got out of it i think a reinvigoration of the strategic partnership with saudi arabia and the united states. >> he must have got something. what did you give him? >> i see it as a win for president biden. >> did he have to get a fist bump to open the door to all that? >> i don't know why we're hung up on a fist bump. the two leaders met, this is quite normal. >> i want to bring in susan glasser, global affairs analyst and staff writer at "the new yorker." so glad you're here. first and foremost let's talk about this fist bump seen around the world. the white house had initially said the president would avoid contact all together because
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covid-19 and the pandemic. i know ysk there were other people he met with where there was a similar exchange and greeting. what do you make of all this? >> yeah, a fist bump with, you know, a popular israeli leader in the united states is not the same thing as a fist bump with mohammed bin salman. if the white house didn't want us to be talking about it they probably should have thought this through more kierly before they had this ill-considered photo-op. look, that was the price of president biden's trip. he knew once he made the decision he was going to meet with the crown prince there was going to be an image like this. that was part of the deal here. the question remains very much unanswered is what exactly is the return that the united states gets on this. he's not the first president to trade values in foreign policy for a perception of u.s. national interests. but, again, saudis are being very coy as to whether they've agreed to anything at all and
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whether it's even possible for them to free up more oil production capacity in a way that would meaningfully affect the surging oil prices that are a result of vladimir putin's war in ukraine. >> an important point. this president wrote an op-ed in advance of his trip knowing he had to complain in part what the goals would be, why he was going, and of course this particular meeting. and the backdrop you mentioned quite correctly. we've got the backdrop of the gas prices and the idea of the hopes he might have used diplomacy, which people have criticized very heavily including his own party, to get help with lowering u.s. gas prices. but as you say he left the region as far as we know without any guarantees on either increasing oil production. and we don't actually know whether the prices are going to come down, but he says he does expect the prices to come down in a couple of weeks. do you have a sense of whether the saudis are going to be trusted to deliver for president biden on that particular notion? >> well, i think there is expectation that there will be
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additional production but not necessarily as much as the biden administration would like. and that's really the interesting question. now, of course, oil prices at the pump here in the u.s. have been trending downward in the last few day, but that's in the overall context of an enormous increase in the last year and much of it sparked since russia's invasion of ukraine february 24th. again, what i would say is joe biden is not at all the first person to make this calculation. the united states has been awkwardly raising saudi arabia on and off for decades ever since fdr. and, you know, donald trump made his very first visit in office to saudi arabia, breaking with tradition. the difference is that biden seems visibly uncomfortable with this. he's stuck to the fiction it was really just about a meeting with overall arab states in the gulf coordination counsel and it just happened to be in saudi arabia.
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he insists he's not trading anything for the meeting. so in some ways biden himself has called more attention to this awkward pivot. it's certainly consistent with many american foreign policy tradeoffs before him. >> you seem to suggest it's a disingenuous statement for the president to have made and the idea of the happenstance you articulated being over there. and democratic congressman adam schiff, for example, he was very vocal in his tweet of his displeasure writing this, "if we ever needed a visual reminder of the continuing grip oil rich autocrats have on u.s. foreign policy in the middle east we got it today. one fist bump is worth a thousand words." how do you think this is actually playing in the region there? i mean you heard the person say that it was a win for president biden, but i'm guessing here, susan, that image is being used all across the region as well to demonstrate or display something, but what just is that statement they believe it makes?
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>> you know, interestingly, one of the arguments you hear from officials in washington around why is certainly related to oil and gas prices, but it's also related to the bigger picture context of geopolitical competition with russia and china. and the idea that the u.s. is sort of pivoting away from the middle east, it's withdrawing its attention, refocus its diplomacy, its troops, that has left an opening for china and russia in the region. and that that they argue is a reason for president biden's visit. again, what's not clear is what meaningfully has been done and said here. and by the way, i should point out that the crown prince of saudi arabia is hardly the only human rights abuser that president biden met with just today when he was in saudi arabia. he was having bilateral meetings on the side lines of this bigger event with people like egypt's leader who has undertaken an enormous crack down inside that country in recent years.
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so, you know, it's a region where there's a lot of tradeoffs being made by the united states between what it articulates as its values and the real politic of its foreign policy. >> susan glasser, your insight is invaluable. thank you as always. >> thank you. mask mandates could be coming back to l.a. county as covid cases are ticking up nationwide. dr. jonathan rhiner says the map of transition in the united states is what, quote, capitulation looks like. we'll ask him about his concerns next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ real luxury, real connection. discover intuitive technology at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. ♪ ♪ there's a monster problem and our hero needs solutions.
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transmission is high in much of the country. as the extremely contagious ba.5 variant continues to spread. los angeles county's numbers are so high, officials say they may reinstitute universal indoor masking as recently as two weeks from now. but what about the rest of us? i asked dr. anthony fauci if he expects other cities to follow suit. >> it is clear that some jurisdictions could have a high level of virus circulating will make that decision that they will mandate a mask, but that will be left up to the local jurisdictions to make that decision because each state, each county might be different from the other. so you don't want to make a universal declaration about whether it's a good idea or not. it has to be decided at the local level. just be a bit cautioning. it shouldn't let it disrupting your life or disrupting what you
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want to do, but there should be a certain level of caution we should all be exercising. >> dr. jonathan reiner joins me now with more. you just heard dr. fauci advise prudent caution. given that map which was really a sea of red and orange to say the least, is that advice strong enough given what we're seeing right now? >> no. the unequivocal statement from the federal government should be for all americans to mask up in public. we are seeing right now probably more cases transmitted every day than we have at any time during the 2 1/2 years of this pandemic. yet the cdc and the white house has not said clearly forceally to the american people, you know, it's time to put the masks on. and the reason is that it's politically unpopular to do that, but hospitalizations are up to 20%.
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icu admissions are up about the same. no one really knows how many cases we have each day because most people test at home, but now it's in the many of thousands. and now it's time to put the masks back on. >> people are following your feed as well and you're venting your frustration today saying, quote, 97% of the u.s. now has high or substantial transmission. i doubt there's ever been this much covid blanketing the entire country during the pandemic. still no push for any mitigation. this is what capitulation looks like. so the question to you, dr. reiner, is what should we be doing right now? the idea of wearic masks is one thing, but it sounds like even greater measures ought to be taken to avoid capitulation. what is your thought? >> well, first of all, we still haven't vax thatted nearly enough people in this country. there are 70 million people that remain unvaccinated, and that really is the pool that remains at risk of severe illness or death from this.
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and we have to find a way to get to them. we're not vaccinating our children. only about 11% of kids less than 5 who are now eligible for vaccines have been vaccinated. we allowed a single judge in florida to remove the travel mask mandate. and rather than ask for a stay from an appeals court, this administration chose not to do that. so now people travel largely unmasked. if you've been to an airport recently you see that maybe 1 out of every 6 or 1 out of every 7 passengers is wearing a mask. the rest of the public walks around like this pandemic is over. and that's largely because almost, you know, unpublicized in february of this year the cdc changed the map. and they changed the map from just showing case rates to basically focusing on hospital admissions and hospital
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capacity. and overnight, to be exact on february 25th, which was the day after the russians invaded ukraine, the map turned from red to green. and that became basically a signal that there was nothing else needed to be done, and municipalities dropped their mask mandates around the country. and now there's no going back. how do you get people to put masks back on when you promoted a map throughout the last six months that says that everything is green, we're okay? the truth of the matter is when you look at the transmission map, the map that tracks how much virus is being circulated in your community, which really the only thing you want to know if you're going to get sick when you go to the store, that's bright red in 93% of counties in the united states. so when dr. fauci, you know, earlier this evening said mask where appropriate. it's appropriate everywhere in this country to wear a mask now when you're in public.
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and that's the message i want to hear from the federal government. >> i'll give you the final word on that. dr. jonathan reiner, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. you are in the cnn newsroom, and still ahead we're on the ground in ukraine as more missiles strike -- wreak havoc in various locations this weekend. our report from one of those cities next. she's in prague, between the perfect cup of coffee and her museseum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on lisa here, has had many jobs. she's worked in retail during the holidays. as a barista during rush hour. and a nanny to a couple of rambunctious kids. now, all that experience has led her to a job
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family is mourning. and tonight the ukrainian military says their troops are advancing in the southern region of kherson, an area captured earlier by russian forces early in the invasion. meanwhile the death toll risen to 24 after missiles destroyed parts of a town in central ukraine. surveillance cameras captured the moments the missiles hit. three children are among the dead. the youngest just 4 years old. cnn's ivan watson has more from mykolaiv, which also came under attack. >> reporter: this is the national university of ship building. it is one of two universities that was hit by russian missiles just this week. normally about 1,800 students would study here, but it's summer and there's a war. so, fortunately, there were no civilian casualties, no deaths
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reported. but look at the scale of the blast. it blew out windows and damaged buildings across the street and in the surrounding area as well. mykolaiv, the southern city, has been pummelled day after day by russian projectiles. we've visited an elementary school that was destroyed this week, and a hospital has been hit, a hotel as well. the air-raid sirens go off every day. i spoke with a resident who has sent his wife and son away to neighboring poland for safety, and he says every night he sleeps in the basement for fear that one of these deadly missiles could crash through his ceiling. this is a crater left by one of the rockets that was fired in that salvo against this university campus on friday morning, and i just want to give you a sense of the power of
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these weapons that the russian military is firing against ukrainian cities. in just the last couple of days there were missile strikes on the eastern city of dnipro, on the southern port city of odesa, and on wednesday a devastating strike on the central city where at least two dozen people were killed including children and many more wounded. in the case of this university campus i see no clear evidence of any ukrainian military precedence here, which leads me to question what is the strategy -- what is the goal of the russian military when it fires these deadly weapons at ukrainian cities? is it as the ukrainian government argues a form of psychological warfare, terrorism designed to try to break the will of the ukrainian people? if it is, every time i talk to a
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ukrainian after one of these attacks they say that they only hate moscow more than ever. ivan watson, cnn, mykolaiv in southern ukraine. >> ivan watson in ukraine, thank you so much. when we picture aplatchens, you may think of the white working class of america. in a new episode of "united shades of america" w. kamau bell shows us the culture of a significant unknown population of black americans in the heart of the central appalachian hills. >> are these people all from this community? >> yes, we're all from here. and you see there are still young people here. >> and look around. this shower is packed with young appalachians here to support the new parents. that's in part because they along with a growing group of friends are making it a point to stay and build their lives here. >> it's easy for some people to say why don't you just leave. but it's not always an option
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for folks to just leave. >> it's not free to leave. it's not free to start your life somewhere else. >> yeah. >> i think the or the thing about this gathering is that a lot of people outside of this area of the world wouldn't realize that there'd be a racial mix like this at one gathering in appalachia. we have all shades of black folks and all shades of white folks. >> yeah. it's not this humognist narrative of white folks, here it's different backgrounds and experiences. >> a new episode of "united shades of america" with w kamau bell airs tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. on cnn. you're in the cnn newsroom. jane goodall is a reknown conservationist and now inspiration for a new barbie doll. we'll speak about the tribute and what she hopes young girls will take away f from it. next. sleep per ni
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last thursday was world chimpanzee day and to celebrate matell unveiled its new jane goodall barbary. it's part of their inspiring women series, honoring jane's work as a conservationist. here's their conversation. >> jane, it is so good to see you again. i know we caught up about a month ago about another project you were working on, and now you have more exciting news. so barbie has announced that you
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are part of their inspiring women collection. there's now a jane goodall barbie doll, and it's the first one made of recycled ocean bound plastic, certified carbon neutral in partnership with your jane goodall institute. how does it feel to have a dr. jane goodall barbie? >> well, you know, for a very long time i've wanted a barbie doll with, you know -- dressed like me because, you know, the original barbie dolls were all girly, girly, frilly, frilly. and i thought, no, girls need to play with something that's real life and something that they can think about, and maybe it will get them out into nature more. i love the little binoculars this jane barbie has around her neck. you know when i was growing up there was no television, and then the war came along. so some of our heroes obviously
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were people fighting to save britain from being overrun by nazi germany. so one of my real heroes was winston churchill at that time. and we -- and my other hero that i looked up to were fictitiousal in books. >> >> well, we have for many years been celebrating and honoring real women in our inspiring women collection. we believe it is so important for kids to see real role models doing amazing things. so they know that ultimately, they can grow up and do anything and be anything. jane goodall has been on our list for a few years now. she's a very busy lady, and we couldn't have been more thrilled when she said yes. so we were so excited to partner
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with her and what was unique about this particular execution is not only did we create a really authentic, beautiful doll of jane in one of her field outfits with mini binoculars, her field notebook and her beloved chimpanzee, and this is the first time we created a doll made of ocean-bound plastic which was very important to jane. >> growing up i played with barbies. i have some of my mother's barbie dolls that i would play with when i was little, but they almost represented an unattainable women's figure and looked so perfect and back when i was playing with them i don't think they really had jobs. what was the decision behind barbie finally making dolls where, you know, children could really see themselves in them? and you're talking about body positivity and inclusivity, too? >> we are proud of the work that
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the team has been doing on barbie over the next six, seven years and it's certainly been a journey and our goal has continued to evolve the brand and modernize the brand anden shire that our product line is a better reflection of the world that kids see around them. we want kids to see themselves in our doll line, to also be exposed to other types of dolls, to encourage storytelling. to encourage empathy, to allow kids to role play different situations, and today barbie is the most diverse doll line in the world and we couldn't be more proud of that. >> chloe melas, thank you so much. jane goodall's doll being made out of recycled plastic isn't the only green measure mattel is making. they are better supporting sustainability. still ahead from the "newsroom" from the best man to many best friend. the story of a wedding gone wild
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and want your furry friends to be involved, there are services that will train your dogs and cats for the big day, but one couple learned the hard way that
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despite all the training, dogs are going to be dogs. cnn's jeanne moos has the story. >> it's the next best thing to having your dog say "i do." what some dog owners do is have their pets participate in their wedding. walking down the aisle, holding a flower, posing for photos, even -- >> first dances with their pets. >> piper! >> doggy care services like for the love of paws now exist. ♪ >> that do nothing, but prep pets for weddings, but how do you prepare for colonel, a yellow lab that trainer danielle marsh described as -- >> excited and fired up. >> colonel didn't just walk down the aisle when his owners married in portsmouth, rhode island. [ cheering ] [ laughter ] >> colonel comes whipping up.
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what's going through your head? >> oh, my god, my dress. >> the bride, kate gwen said the groom protected the gown at all costs placing himself between the gown and the dog, but no one protected the mike. >> he's always been the biggest goof ball and we are so glad that all of our friends and family got to see it live and in action and something that everyone will always remember, right? >> absolutely. >> kate says she and her now husband drew are obsessed with their dog and decided there was no way they would get married without having him there, but when colonel jumped up on her dress in the middle of the vows. >> at that point that was when we said, colonel, it's time for you to go. >> he was escort away from his trainer. weddings are supposed to be when you put a ring on it, but in this case the groom reached in his jacket and pulled out a
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