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dagger in the heart of the biden administration. he's rejecting a plan with higher taxes on businesses and the wealthy to fight climate. manchin fights inflation that ham strung the biden administration. economists say the bill has nothing to do with prices but manchin told chuck schumer that he is not convinced. >> i said, chuck, can we just wait until the inflation figures come out in july and then decide what we can do and how much we can do? he took that as no i guess. they cannot have grips we should do whatever the sides want. that's not me. there's only one side. that's the american side. >> so still not a flat no which in some ways infuriated democrats even more. quote he is not concerned about working people says bernie
sanders. manchin did say that he would support a health care bill that brings down prescription drug costs. let's discuss all of this and more with tamara keith, gabby orr, and others. i got to show you this. this is a turnaround from where we were a year ago. the build back better agenda started like this. here's what it is right now. we're down to two things. medicare costs and subsidies because of joe manchin. is this what he wanted? >> joe manchin never juaned that laundry list of the bullet point items. democrats had an ambition of $6 trillion noerkted down to 3.5
and then further and joe manchin having discussions with joe biden back in december. what i find really remarkable is manchin given us hints to do something on climate and given joe manchin and the state he represents is interesting. inflation has been to his credit a consistent concern for the senators since last summer and even though other democrats said maybe we peaked we saw this week a 9.1% inflation rate and that is fueling manchin's concerns and saying let's put the pause on. i think democrats think he is done. >> what is he looking for on inflation? the number going down significantly? to disappear altogether before he gets to a yes? >> he seems to have a concern about raising taxes on the wealthy in the face of rising
costs and concerns are hard to pin down. >> it is changing it seems to be. >> what i will say is that the two remains items winnowed are important for democrats. it is not the huge dream list, laundry list that democrats went in with. it's not a big, bold, ambitious agenda but avoiding a spike in obamacare care can't hurt and negotiating drug prices to cig million that you care about things that americans stress about are fine things to campaign on. >> the white house want that is. it was so interesting, jeff. jill biden being candid about what it seems is a deep frustration and not just this moment. the biden agenda is stymied by
ongoing events. she said he's had so many hopes and plans but every time you turn around he had to address the problems of the moment. he's just had so many things thrown his way. she is not wrong. >> she is speaking what is on his mind. they are incredibly close and he knew this. no one knew the role of the role than joe biden. this is what happens. it reminds me in the early days of the obama administration he said i have nine problems on the desk. welcome to the reality of this. i think the -- back to the point here. should they have gone for such a massive bill? majorities are narrow. likely never to happen in reconciliation. was this the right strategy?
there are 13 million reasons to sign this bill. those are the 13 million americans who could lose health care subsidies if this bill is not signed. they should accept a victory and move forward. it is an expectations issue set incorrectly by the white house. >> another thing that needs to be mentioned is the line that the biden administration has to straddle working with manchin with progressive democrats. you talked about bernie sanders saying he can't be trusted and others with frustration that this seems to hinge on one senator from west virginia who's essentially dictating the biden agenda. that's a delicate line to walk and frustrating progressives. >> front line democrats are not happy. jeff, take a listen to a
democrat this week. >> i think it should be the start of every press conference at the white house and there should be a task force. we have a responsibility in leadership to be honest with people and then chart the way forward. i think people can feel and see spin and i don't think they like it. >> just not feeling like there's a driving message on the economy from the white house. >> right. it is those front liners like slotkin nervous about raising taxes on the wealthy and going to be a hurdle for democrats to do this big bill but there's nervousness from the democrats fighting the tough races and goes to a point. there are like we mentioned earlier president biden and now nancy pelosi saying they feel like inflation peaked and a dangerous prediction. >> thought it peaked in december.
>> and march. >> they thought it was transitory. >> the term peak inflation is something that we were hearing in the spring. people are a little bit more cautious about that but officials saying gas prices were a huge part of the inflation number. >> speaking of gas prices the president coming back from saudi arabia where the fist bump seen around the world and a reflection of building more anger among his base for kind of going over there and seeming to beg for more fossil fuels and climate change is stymied. maybe a no-win situation for this white house. >> clearly. many presidents face no-win situations but it is a much bigger problem. the president coming back to the white house late last night and reporters asked him. he said ask a question that mat eers. that is a sign that he's not
heard from activists, democrats about that image. yet another -- i think this is a staffing issue. a hand shake would have been fine. >> professional. >> too chummy. >> he had to go and do the meeting. it is just the reality of being president and shouldn't have used the word pariah running for office but candidates say things where they have to swallow a little bit. >> we'll see if it was worth it. next for us, the january 6 committee warnings about donald trump's unfitness for office is growing louder bus he is accelerating the plans to launch another run for the white e hou.
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in the seven hearings so far the january 6 committee painted a damning portrait of a president willing to do just about anything to hold on to power and in the latest session a trump supporter who participated in the riot described why he came to the riot and left the capitol. >> basically put out, you know, come to stop the steal rally. you know? i felt like i needed to be down here. when president trump put the tweet out we literally left right after that come out. >> trump allies have been trying to pin the blame on advisers filling the ear with nonsense but liz cheney is having none of it. >> president trump is 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. >> meanwhile trump all but confirmed that he is running for
president saying that he decided but the quote big decision is whether to announce before or after the midterm elections. so what is going on inside trump world? seems everybody is pushing him to announce because i guess it doesn't matter either way is the view in trump world? >> it is him pushing the advisers to announce before or after labor day. basically any point this summer. they think there's a three-pronged benefit. the first is that trump as we know wants to be a mess enger and defend himself from the january 6 committee because he doesn't have allies on the committee defending him and frustrated with the response from hill republicans not holding regular press
conferences. not saturating the air waves with defenses of himself. the second is to putt his rivals on notice. we know that there is potentially going to be a very big and competitive field in 2024 and the earlier to announce he is running the sooner to dare republicans to run against him and thwarts the plans and groundwork they have been putting in. and the third to he thinks capitalize on the moment of biden's popularity. v voters might be more focused on change and not personality. >> we have covered the trump presidency some point or another but he is known to use the political status as a candidate in some ways as a shield. and you can see why.
look at what he is facing. the doj is looking into january 6, mishandling of classified documents, the georgia probe which is a very real thing around him, january 6 commit tee of course and new york attorney general. the viewpoint in large point is running makes it easier for him to say this is political, all a witch hunt. >> absolutely. i would add a number four and to kn i knock lat him. i'm having flash backs to his initial stages of is he going to run in 2015 and sort of all falling into the same trap of covering every sneeze he is doing. we know he is going to run now most likely. so he is very much enjoying this
preview if you will of the next act of the trump show. he loves the fact talking about him. it puts him in the conversation in a way that he was worried he was slipping out of. every time i talk to a republican voter around the country would you like to see trump come back. not nearly as it was vae year ago. a woman in pennsylvania said he can have the personality and temper back. >> back in washington graham said this to "the washington post." if strumtrump is going to run il refocus the attention. more about future. >> when did he have less grievance? he breathes grievance.
i don't know what graham is talking about. i do wonder what effect a trump campaign would have on what the actual next election is which is the midterm elections in november. there is only one figure in politics who is like rocket fuel for democratic motivation and that person is donald j. trump. democratic voters vote against him in every way they can. if the midterms become act drmpb he will get the attention that he craves but i don't know if mitch mcconnell will be thrilled. >> i do want to talk about the january 6 committee. we are coming up against what may be their last hearing. it is all about trump. 18 7 minutes. >> i think it will continue to paint the portrait that i believe the committee has done
pretty well. trying -- painting just what trump's mentality and actions were and during the moments of the insurrection will resonate the most and the way to present it is very compelling and been able to connect the dots of the trump actions and words to the actual rioters' actions. and the coordination between the justice department and the january 6 committee seems to be picking up a little bit. i know there's friction between the two. we heard this weak from committee members that for example they're sharing transcripts, information. i think that is an interesting development. >> the doj seems to be getting with the program and getting to the witnesses that the january 6 put on the proverbial witness stand. why a near complete abortion
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the midterm elections be a referendum on an unpopular president or a choice between the two parties? here's what history tells us about that. americanless almost always use the ballot to send a message to the party in power but this year with the supreme court dismantling abortion rights in america democrats see a potentially history defying moment. red states racing to pass laws to ban all abortions, some cases
with no exceptions for rape or incest. the horrifying case of a 10-year-old rape victim in ohio forced to travel out of state for an abortion crystallized this frontier. >> do you think a 10-year-old should choose to carry a baby? >> it would fall under any exception and not be an abortion. >> wait. it would not be abortion if a 10-year-old with the parents decided not to have a baby that was the result of a rape? >> if a 10-year-old is pregnant as a result of the rape and threatening the life that's not an abortion. >> to be clear that is an abortion and the other part of that is raising a lot of eyebrows and the probably part. the part of this where i think now you have abortion opponents say this is not that common, this is pretty rare but the
stories are coming out and have cob reckoned be. >> the trigger laws are from decades ago. they are some laws that are new and also old laws that took effect and it seems whether through a desire not to talk about what's really there or through a lack of understanding there's just like not a lot of clarity of what is legal and what is not legal in the states and a confusing landscape which is potentially quite dangerous for people facing a health crisis. >> to that point, a rash of stories this weekend about the exact issue, the confusion. "the washington post" writes this, one kansas city, missouri, hospitals they required pharmacist approval before
medications used to stop hemorrhages. a woman led for ten days after a miscarriage. these are the kind of stories that as they come out it is expanding the issue of abortion beyond elective abortion and to health care and whether or not voters will care about this at the ballot box. >> right. the chaos is the thing that chief justice roberts wanted to avoid with a patch work of state laws where something is okay and drive a few hundred miles and it is not okay and the confusion but i think talking about the contrast, the contrast earlier that democrats want to make and a struggle to make in a midterm election. they believe again if donald trump runs again a way to make
the contrast but abortion and access is an issue to capitalize on because i think the house looks dire for democrats at this point but the states where the senate races will be won and lost are pro-choice states. new hampshire, nevada, pennsylvania. a subject in the pennsylvania gubernatorial rates. >> very much. >> those are the states to watch where the issue will matter. >> michigan on the list. there's a ballot question in november. submitted enough signatures for should there be a constitutional amendment added to protect abortion. it could help other democratic house members. many who are in tough races. but it is not just state to state. the patchwork is county to county. you have blue counties in cities
trying to sort of withhold the forces of the red governors and things so it is confusing and dangerous. >> there's been strategies adopted by vulnerable republicans, especially senate candidates, to run away from this issue and canes who said on the record, doug mastriano in pennsylvania is a perfect example who said that abortion is number one issue. the focus for four weeks is inflation and gas prices and the economy. thing that is he wants to talk about over a thorny issue like abortion. >> on the question of rape and incest exceptions do you support exceptions? it is not a new question but it is as salient as ever. the headlines make the point. donald trump running in 2024, i
have made that decision. national right to life official says. a 10-year-old should have a baby and horror hits highland park and fear. will any of these things outweigh the economy? >> i think it's hard to imagine that it would. talking to voters in pennsylvania and a couple dozen north of pittsburgh in an area that was very republican. everyone to a person mentioned inflation, groceries and gas. i had to ask if the supreme court influenced the decision. if the burden is on democrats and the progressive side to make it a number one issue it is not settled in how dire this is for abortion rights supporters. there is also some celebration, much on the other side. people have been working for
generations for this so that is also something. the energy has always been on that side of this debate. we'll see if that changes this year. i'm not feeling that it is the top issue to vote on. >> i will say that mid tterms td to be about turnout. if you have an issue that is animating the base that could potentially help democrats though, though as jeff said it could help republicans not afraid of the idea of a nationwide abortion ban. they are talking about that being potentially part of the agenda. >> a thing that's giving democrats hope is a "the new york times"/sienna poll biten's approval raiding at 33% but looking at who do you prefer controls congress democrats have a narrow and one-point advantage
over republicans in an environment that everyone says is extremely challenging for democrats. >> you hear president biden trying to focus so hard, i don't know whether it is sticking or not, but focus on republicans in congress. rick scott likes it but trying to really make that contrast saying that we are doing x, y and z and republicans if in charge do the things that are horrible for you guys. that's the message of president biden and campaigning this year. not only just the approval rating of president biden but the numbers seeing about whether you believe the country is on the right track or wrong track, that would be a deep concern for democrats when so much of the country feels they are on the wrong track. >> exactly.
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you could be left to pay for all of this... yourself. so get allstate. people of color long been the backbone of the democratic coalition but there are some signs now that that coalition is changing and the 2014 midterms, for example, hispanics went for democrats by 26 points and in a new poll last week that advantage has shrunk to 3. on the other hand a bigger shift among college educated whites. in 2014 they went for republicans by 14 points and now they favor democrats by 21-point margin. joining me now is roy dechara. will soon be joining the american enterprise as a nonresident fellow.
and tamara keith is still with us. this is something you know a lot about. this shift is happening but is it really that big of a problem for democrats or is it just a shift that needs to happen because they are appealing to college educated whites -- voters in general? >> i think it's a pretty big problem. if you look at the realities of american electoral realities, the arithmetic and geography of the country to lose support among working class voters in general, hispanic voters, it is difficult to cobble together the coalition they need to achieve the political success they want so it's very nontrivial. if you look at "the new york times"/sienna poll democrats are losing works class voters as a
whole by 12 points and that's a massive shift, a yawning chasm which suggest the historic working class party of the united states is no long ere of the working class. >> the other side is the erosion with nonwhite voters. hispanic voters especially but also black voters. as the republican party hasn't shifted. from the time trump has come down the escalator demonizing immigrants he has really taken the other strategy and yet in 2020 every republican who flipped a democratic house seat was a woman or a person of color. they are touting that as an example. what do you think is behind that? >> i was talking to a republican consultant this week who says look at the recruiting this time, too, in midterms. they have found candidates who are people of color, women.
who in certainly not in terms of policy but in terms of demographics look like the candidates who were recent democrat candidates. we have talked about that demographics are destiny but it's shifting and the biggest dividen line is college education. >> that idea of geographic as destiny is something that you popularized, roy. >> let me clarify. we never said demographics is destiny but there's changes in voters. it was a big group of changes. plus we always argued very
specifically republicans had to retain a core of support and if they couldn't then the math didn't work for them. unfortunately i think that got summarized as people saying there's less white voters and the democrats will win forever. now what we see is that if you look at the nonwhite population, if you look at blacks, hispanics and so on, you start to bleed workinging class support. hispanic working class voters moved from the democrats by 18 points. we continue to see the shifts. "the new york times"/sienna poll and other polls and democrats cannot assume that hispanics assume that we will vote for the democrats no matter what. >> you wrote this this week. democrats emphasis on issues
while catnip for some leaves hispanic voters cold. okay. counter point to this. joe biden is not running on social issues. or didn't run on social issues. he ran base chris on the economy and comp the ten sy. he is governing infrastructure, prescription drugs. is this really a critique of the democratic party or a sliver of activists? >> let's be candid about this. the sliver is quite large within the democratic party defining the national brand. i don't think there's any way to run away from that and then you say -- point out that joe biden did kind of put himself as a moderate running on the economy. look where we are now and the economy and normality. not turned out that well as far as working class voters are
concerned. after the infrastructure bill we had months and months and months of debate about the build back better bill and lost on the median voter. they just thought the democrats wanted to spend on stuff while inflation is spiking so i think biden's brand is pretty good when elected. not in such good shape now. >> do you think this shift to republicans is due to anything that they have done to reach these communities and latino or black voters? i feel like every election cycle forever -- >> that is part of the question out there. are they reaching out to voters. we wanted to talk about the poll but you left a progressive organization and you are now at a sort of right leaning think
tank. are you kind of leaving the democratic party over the disputes. >> i am not leaving the democratic party or the left. the left me but i consider myself still a democrat. what happened is the democrats are now associated with a set of issues that you might call -- culturally radical and race gender. crime, immigration and so on. i couldn't have the conversation about the issues at most progressive organizations. ai wants an open conversation about what's wrong with both political partys. ai is not defending or putting forward the republican party as the superior party to the
democrats. they think there's big problems with both parties. i want to have a discussion about that and i didn't feel like i could a discussion about that at the center for american progress because they're on the democrats' side. >> i wonder how much of this is when we say the democrats are too focused is that real or is it a lot -- you see the same things that i do. conservatives elevating small issues and making that the democratic party brand. maybe the democrats are allowing that to happen is the point you're making? >> i don't think so. this is what i characterize as a fox news fallacy which is the only reason why issues like crime and immigration, you know, things around race, gender, ideology, the only reason it's issues because fox news is talking about them. there's a lot of propaganda and
disinformation and leaves out real problems to real voters. voters are concerned about crime and the border. democrats are trying to wave that away. this is not just created by conservatives but the real world and conservatives are able to take advantage of that because the democrats are not defending themselves. >> fascinating conversation. thank you. up next, why a star found herself in the middle of pennsylvania's senate race. ♪ lunchahables! built to be eaten. ♪
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does mehmet oz even live in pennsylvania as the state's senate race approaches. >> i heard that you moved from new jersey to pennsylvania to look for a new job. personally, i don't know why anyone would want to leave jersey, because it's the best place ever and we're all hot messes. i want to say best of luck to you. i know you're away from home, you're in a new place, but jersey will not forget you. >> who doesn't love snooki. for his part, dr. oz is ignoring those carpetbagger attacks.
instead, he's calling fetterman out of touch with pennsylvanians. >> i'm glad fetterman's healthy so he can worry less about his heart and hoodie and more about the crazy leftist ideas in his head. >> the race is becoming quite literally a race between these two men. fetterman still recovering from a stroke. i mean, notably, real questions there about his health. and oz being hit with the carpetbagger attacks, as we predicted, but which of these attacks is really winning out here? >> i think it's too early to know that. i was in pennsylvania this past week. there's no question that fetterman's attacks, largely delivered online, really one joke after another, those are settling in among democrats. at the end of the day, this race is likely to not turn on that. there are some questions on the republican side where dr. oz has been? he's coming out now doing ads but the last two months he hasn't been visible. of course, john fetterman is still recovering from that stroke and heart attack.
he's not done public campaign events -- >> but doing a lot of trolling online. >> but the question, will he be able to debate oz in the fall? this is one of the most closely watched races because democrats see it as a chance to pick up a republican seat. i think it's too early to know. this race is not going to turn on snooki, i do not believe. >> let's turn to georgia here. this is a case wherie it's another question of a celebrity candidate. herschel walker going up against the incumbent here, raphael warnock. walker is now on the campaign trail after not being around a whole lot. what he is saying is what's getting him in a little bit of trouble. take a listen. >> if we patrol the air, we go over to china, bad air. so, with china getting all the good air, their bad air got to move. so, it moves over to our good air space. and now we got to clean that back up. >> did you get that?
what is goes on here? >> i miean, that is certainly a play on the old republican argument about climate change, if you fix climate in one country, it doesn't matter if other countries are still polluting, i think. but it is also a testament to the reality all of these races are, that candidates matter. candidate choices matter. yes, there are broader dynamics and, you know, inflation and all of these issues and midterms that are always bad for the president's party, but the candidates do also matter. we saw that in 2010. we saw that in 2012. year after year there are candidates who say things that cause problems. >> and the latest "atlanta journal-constitution" poll shows warnock a little ahead of walker, but running below the democratic gubernatorial race, in which brian kemp is doing much better than herschel walker. mitch mcconnell, i mean, paging mitch mcconnell, he was the one
who decided that this was an okay candidate to go with. >> right. if you recall earlier on in the cycle, mcconnell and his circle were pretty nervous about the prospect of herschel walker in that race. perhaps for the reasons we're seeing right now. he is an untested candidate politically. and you're looking on the flip side with warnock, obviously a freshman senator who's had a high profile, considering his role in the senate on fighting for voting rights. he had pretty blockbuster fund-raising numbers, $17 million is a lot of money that can go pretty far in georgia. he's spending a lot, certainly, with all the television ads. but that's a lot of money he can run on. very much republicans watching this race nervously. >> another trump endorsed candidate in ohio. you're seeing jd vance struggling a little bit, it seems, with the fund-raising numbers. is that a cause for concern for some folks? >> for vance it most definitely should be. his campaign right now is almost $250,000 in debt, which is not the place you want to be heading into the last few months of this
general election cycle. and his opponent, tim ryan, has raised over $9 million. most of that is coming from small dollar contributions. that does send a sure signal to the vance campaign that they do need to improve their fund-raising. the ones who have -- caveat to that, the money coming in from peter teel. he has been the primary backer of vance's campaign and has given to him almost $15 million since last year. that will continue to be in the coffers of an outside group that is spending on his behalf, but his campaign, totally broke. >> yeah, i mean, the campaign itself may not have as much money, but there's still money flowing in on his behalf. thank you all for being here. that's it for us on "inside politics sunday." coming up next, "state of the union" with jake tapper p per a bash. d dana's guests are doug ducey and jared bernstein. join drew griffin for a new investigation into steve bannon and his master plan to reshape
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