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6:00 am, vote for your hero. unfortunately you cannot vote for john berman. i know so many of you want to. >> overwhelming support for that. thank you for coming here all week, hanging out with me all week. >> we have covered some serious ground from monday to friday, the middle east to the january 6th hearings. >> and i'm doing "ac 360" tonight and kaitlan will be joining me. >> i will not. >> cnn's coverage continues right now. >> maybe. good morning, everyone. we're glad you're with us. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm jim sciutto. failure to act. the january 6th committee presenting some of the most damning evidence yet, illustrating former president trump's refusal to call off the attack on the capitol. testimony notably from high ranking life-long republicans, painted the picture of how trump watched tv as the violent assault unfolded. officials say he never called
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law enforcement or the pentagon to put an end to the violence and while video evidence showed rioters hanging on every word from the president, we learned that trump initially refused to use the word peace when he finally sent a tweet to that mob. >> and still to this day, former president trump will not say the election is over. witnesses say it took him nearly an hour to record this three-minute video the day after the insurrection due to his complete objections to the truth. watch. >> and to those who broke the law, you will pay. you do not represent our movement, you do not represent our country, and if you broke the law -- can't say that. i'm not -- i already said you will pay. but this election is now over. congress has certified the results. i don't want to say the election is over. >> thursday's testimony also painted a picture of vice president pence really stepping in, taking charge, calling in the national guard, to disperse
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the rioters, something the president would not do. this as we learned members of his own security detail, pence's own security detail were calling their own loved ones, worried they might not make it out of the capitol alive that day. and we heard the stunning final words, the former president shared that night as he left the west wing, saying, quote, mike pence let me down. quite a night of testimony, let's begin this morning with cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider. stunning details. hearing that audio, from pence's security detail, and that testimony, calling loved ones, fearing they didn't know if they would make it out alive. >> yeah, you juxtapose that with trump's final words, like you said, poppy, as he walked back in the white house, that were mike pence let me down, and now we know that at the same time it was the vice president and his security detail fearing for their life. the committee showed here how pence worked the phones, talked with military leaders, issued orders to get the national guard to the capitol, all while trump
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repeatedly neglected to call anyone who could help take charge. and while the testimony here and the video showed pence, he really seemed calm and taking control, the committee actually uncovered audio from secret service radio traffic showing how dangerous this situation was getting. so this is audio from agents who were assessing the senate stair well to see how pence could be evacuated. and you can hear how close the rioters were getting to pence and his detail, ultimately within 40 feet. here it is. >> if you're moving, we need to move now. >> copy. >> if we lose any more time, we may have -- we may lose the ability to leave. so if we're going to leave, we need to do it now. >> they gained access to the second floor and i've got public about five feet from me down below. >> copy. they are on the second floor, moving in now. we may want to consider getting
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out and leaving now. copy. >> so chilling radio traffic there, and then bringing even more sharply into focus the close call that pence and his detail had that day. here is a national security official at the white house that day, whose identity has been masked by the committee. this official detailing the sheer terror he heard on the radio that day as some of pence's detail weren't sure they would even make it out of the capitol. >> members of the vp detail at this time were starting to fear for their own lives. there were a lot of yelling, a lot of -- a lot of very personal calls over the radio. it was disturbing. i don't like talking about it. but there were calls to say good-bye to family members, so on and so forth. it was getting -- for whatever the reason was on the ground, the vp detail's office was about
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to get very ugly. >> we know the vice president was ultimately taken to a loading dock at the capitol, where, of course, we have seen the pictures of him on the phone, with directions and calling in the military. you know, poppy and jim, that was really the big message from the select committee last night, the vice president was taking charge, following the constitution, all while the president, all he could say was mike pence let me down. guys? >> jessica schneider, you can tell where the president's focus was, thank you so much. next hour i'll speak live with congressman adam kinzinger who helped present last night's argument. let's begin this hour with our panel, kyrsten powers, cnn senior political analyst and columnist for usa today, norm eisen who served as special counsel to house lawmakers during trump's first impeachment and terrence gaynor, cnn law enforcement analyst, served as sergeant at arms. i'll begin with you, terrence gaynor, just to see and hear the
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genuine concern and fear that pence's security detail had, you had that national security official testifying that they were so concerned, they thought they might not make it right? they wanted to let their families know they loved them. tell us what that showed you did the severity of the threat that day, because, right, we heard this narrative from some on the right wing, that oh, well, the violence has been exaggerated. >> well, there was no exaggeration between the listening to the voice of those individuals, seeing those photos and knowing a little bit about the capitol. it was very, very dangerous. there was early scenes where inspector tom lloyd was in the ohio corridor, just on the other side of some of the walls where the vice president was, trying to coordinate with the secret service, there was an incredible amount of restraint in the fact that how close we came to the use of force to get the vice president to safety. >> norm, you have suggested throughout this, before last
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night's hearing, the committee's toughest obstacle really in making their case is going to be amassing conclusive evidence of trump's intent to overturn the election. did they get closer to that threshold in your opinion last night? >> poppy, i think they did. the committee has established strong proof of all the other elements of the two crimes that were found likely by a federal judge, even before these hearings started. conspiracy to defraud the united states, and to obstruct an official proceeding in congress. but what we got in the past three hearings, starting with cassidy hutchinson and culminating, i thought, in those outtakes, those very powerful outtakes, as donald trump was pounding the podium and saying, i don't want to say the election is over, and if you broke the law, can't say that. the words, his facial expressions, his gestures, it
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really takes you inside his mind. that is what as a trial lawyer i want to be able to present to a jury and i think that those outtakes really added to the coming criminal case that state and federal prosecutors are now going to be advancing on. >> kyrsten powers, despite all that, president, the former president may announce another run for the white house soon. there has been a lot of reporting on that. and a lot of attention focused on how that day he didn't want to say the election is over. but the fact is to this day, the former president will not grant the results of that election, just last week he called a wisconsin lawmaker to attempt to pressure wisconsin to decertify its 2020 election results. i suppose my question is, with -- despite all this evidence, the january 6th committee is exposing now, has the system moved too slowly, right, to police and penalize
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this? >> do you mean the systems in terms of he should be indicted or the systems in terms of investigating it? because i think -- >> investigating, expose. >> yeah, i mean, i think they had to do this very deliberately and they have done an excellent job. and i don't think you can do this kind of work quickly. so i think that unfortunately these things do take time. now, a lot of this was just out in the open, and we could see it, but it had to be pieced together in terms of what norm was saying, getting to what was the president thinking, what was he doing? i think they laid it out, last night we saw a lot of this, how intentional this was. not just the inciting of the mob, and pouring gasoline on the fire when things already had gotten out of control and now he's sending out tweets, getting them even more riled up against mike pence. you see how they're receiving what he's saying. he knows that.
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he understands his followers. you have, you know, people from the white house saying we know how -- we know how they follow everything that he says, they act on everything he says. when he says leave, they leave. they understood when he was attacking pence, and saying, leave the police officers alone, but didn't say anything about leaving the members of congress alone. so he understands all this. he chose to be in an area where we have no phone logs, where there are no pictures, it is also intentional. and then having the video of him talking about not wanting to say the election is over. and so i think that they have established this, and i can't explain a person who would vote for this person. except they haven't seen this. i don't know how anybody could sit and watch this and not conclude this is completely sociopathic behavior. this is a person who does not care if his vice president is
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killed, and even you can even argue wants him to be killed, right? so this is beyond anything that i think we have ever seen. and that there are people that support this man is terrifying. >> all right, stay with us, everyone. we have a lot more to get to obviously from last night ahead, including the heated arguments that were happening inside of the white house as trump's team implored him to call off that mob. plus, a republican congressman says he is back on the campaign trail after a man tried to attack him during a speech. and later my conversation with the chief of the uk's secret foreign intelligence service, why he says russia is running out of steam in its brutal war against ukraine, a scathing assessment from the british of russian capabilities.
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it's okay, people. i've trained for this. it's not complicated new and existing customers get a free new samsung galaxy s22 with a galaxy trade-in. any year. any condition. (♪ ♪) in last night's primetime hearing, the january 6th committee shared clips of former
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white house counsel pat cipollone's testimony that made it clear that everyone close to then president trump pushed hard to get him to tell the rioters to go home. >> your advice was tell people to leave the capitol and it took over two hours, yet he continues, cipollone, throughout the period of time up until 4:17, continued, you and others, to push for a stronger statement? >> yes. >> were you joined in that effort by ivanka trump? >> yes. >> and jared kushner? >> yes. >> and mark meadows? >> yes. >> despite the desperate pleas from so many people so close to the president, he refused to do it. sarah matthews says an unnamed colleague suggested that trump should not condemn the violence to avoid handing a win to the media. >> i couldn't believe that we were arguing over this, and the middle of the west wing, talking about the politics of a tweet, being concerned with handing the media a win, when we had just watched all of that violence unfold at the capitol.
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and so i motioned up at the tv, and i said do you think it looks like we're effing winning, because i don't think it does. >> let's bring back in our experts. terrence gaynor, someone who spent years leading those who protect the capitol and protecting the capitol yourself, the fact we learned last night the dismay among those around trump close to trump over the fact that he refused to acknowledge the death of capitol police officer brian sicknick the day after the insurrection, he succumbed to injuries sustained during the riot, listen to what congresswoman elaine luria said last nagt ab night about that. >> on january 9th, two of president trump's top campaign officials texted each other about the president's glaring silence on the tragic death of capitol police officer brian sicknick who succumbed to his injuries the night of january 7th. murtaugh said, also [ bleep ]
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not having acknowledged the death of the capitol police officer, while responding that's enraging to me, everything he said about supporting law enforcement was a lie. >> given what you did to protect the capitol for years, i wonder what you thought when you heard that and saw those messages. >> well, the congresswoman's messages was powerful and while we heard the words of and the voice traffic of the vice president's detail, preparing to fight to the death, we already now know that officer brian sicknick of the capitol police did fight to his death. so the president egged this thing on, and had total disregard for the hurt and death he was causing. and i got to say this, poppy, they talk a lot about the dereliction of duty, that the president had, i think it goes beyond that. this gets us close to felony murder, as you can get as it has been laid out, what he did before that, what he failed to
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do that day, and what he put those officers and people in the danger of. >> so people understand, felony murder would be essentially aiding and abetting, not carrying out the crime, but being an aide to it, you're saying. >> right. if you're involved in felony and your attorneys will speak to this, it is not an easy case to make, if you're involved in the felony, and people die as a result of that felony going on, then you're liable, and so is that man, and he ought to wake up and smell the roses about how he put these people in danger, how he caused the death of individuals up there. shame on him. >> norm, eisen, we're four mons away from a midterm election, you election deniers, people who participate in this attempt to overturn the election, winning primaries, the former president, it appears, close to announcing another run for the white house. the committee said last night adam kinzinger that they are going to suggest laws that must
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be changed, reformed, added to prevent this from happening again. what specific laws, changes, do you see as necessary? >> well, we know that they are going to come out with a change to the laws that govern the counting of the electors, and that meeting of congress on january 6th. there was a senate proposal this week, zoe lofgren and liz cheney, bipartisan poured cold water on that. i've written i think it doesn't meet the mark, but the 1/6 committee, which ought to know, is going to come up with their own package so that this can never happen again. and that's the test, jim. we need rules that make sure this will never happen again. bipartisan. i don't think the senate is quite there. the committee is going to improve on it in a bipartisan way. i'm looking forward to seeing that. >> kyrsten, so chilling and i think everyone is just so, so struck by hearing how concerned
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the secret service and those who protected the vice president were, the calling loved ones that they may not even get out of the capitol that day. given that, given the actions of pence that day, really taking charge, calling on those at the top to bring in the national guard and others, it is even more striking how little pence has said about the insurrection since that day. and i wonder if you think given all we heard last night on that front, he has a responsibility to say more now? >> yes. i think he does. i also think it is remarkable that there are a lot of people that still have watched all of this and still say that they would vote for donald trump again. that, you know, that -- and even the idea that if we have more rules put in place, that's great. but guess what, donald trump doesn't follow rules. so if he gets into the white house again, there is nothing to suggest that he would be constrained by rules. i think, you know, one of the really chilling things to me was, you know, when they were
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interviewing the person who was monitoring the traffic, we don't know who it is, but it is national security staffer who is monitoring the traffic, you know, who is in the white house, that information had to have gotten to donald trump. it certainly was known within the white house that this is happening, right? that you have secret service members who are calling their family members and saying, you know, that they think they're going to potentially die. so that's where i -- when i bring up the word sociopathic, there is something, like, deeply wrong with donald trump. no matter how agrieved a person is, that they can sit there and be completely fine with knowing all these people's lives are in danger, and not wanting to stop it, and, like i said, wanting actually, when it came to mike pence for some horrible tragic thing to befall him, that could end in his death. so i just think that everybody in the white house as pat
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cipollone said pretty much understood what was going on here and i think donald trump understood what was going on here and that's the problem. >> kyrsten powers, norm eisen, terrence gaynor, thank you all very much. terrifying moment on the campaign trail as a candidate for new york governor was attacked. look at this. we're watching as yesterday republican congressman lee zeldin was giving a speech, and the city of fairport, when a man climbed on to the stage and grabbed him. the suspect tried to stab zeldin. >> cnn's brynn gingras joins us now live from new york with the latest. brynn, the suspect immediately taken into custody. has already been released, though. what more do we know? >> yeah, released on his own recognizance, jim. the video might be hard to see. the republican congressman as you said, he's running for new york governor on that campaign stop in monroe county last night. watch what happens next. that video is showing representative lee zeldin, of course, there on the stage, talking in front of that crowd, when that man, he was someone in
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the audience, according to police, he walks up, and then swings his arm toward zeldin's neck before the congressman grabs his other arm. and then others sort of tackle him to the ground, restraining him until authorities could get there. zeldin says that man tried to stab him. police identified that alleged attacker as 43-year-old david jakubonis. they say he had a weapon in his hand and allegedly said you're done as he approached zeldin. jakubonis is charged with second degree attempted assault. he's been arraigned and as i said he's already out of jail on his own recognizance with that felony charge. luckily, no one was hurt and zeldin returned to finish his campaign speech. i want to read what kathy hochul, his opponent, said. i condemn this violent behavior in the strongest terms possible. it has no place in new york. so we're still looking into sort of who this person might have been, maybe the motive behind it, trying to reach out to his attorney, but certainly scary there to see that happen in
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front of the campaign -- on the campaign trail, right there in front of that crowd, guys. >> yeah. any form of political violence certainly alarming to see. brynn gingras, thank you for covering. coming up next, president biden says that he is still getting work done as he isolates after his covid diagnosis. picture there of him at his desk. we'll talk to a doctor about his likely treatment. epaint every now and then, it's like the old you is still hanging around. younger zoe: i'm listening to music. so today, let's paint... ...with behr, america's most trususted paint brand, and mamake your home, yours. behr. exclusively at the home depot.
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well, today, the president is isolating at the white house after being diagnosed with covid-19 and is, quote, doing just fine. that's according to white house covid response coordinator dr. ashish jha, who also said this morning that president's symptoms are mild, runny nose, dry cough and basically those symptoms were the same as of last night. >> for more on what we know of biden's diagnosis, let's talk to jorge rodriguez, who joins us now live. doctor, good to have you. >> thank you. >> i don't want to ask you to diagnose from afar, but based on what we know here, biden, 79-year-old man, he's vaccinated, boosted, most recent booster in march, he's taking pax paxlovid, white house releasing pictures of him still at work, with mild symptoms. based on what we know, what is the prognosis for someone with that kind of background and
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treatment? >> well, the prognosis, jim, is that we need to be cautiously optimistic. president biden has done all the right things. he's gotten vaccinated, boosted twice, you know. the main thing going forward for president biden is the fact that he's fit. he doesn't have the history of heart disease. people joke about he fell off the bike, i'm so glad he's able to ride a bike, which tells me he's healthy. otherwise, statistically, the one thing keeping his doctors watching very closely is the fact that he's over 60 or 65 and people of a greater age tend to get sicker and do a little worse. >> so, the fact we learned yesterday, we learned his diagnosis, he was going to go on paxlovid, we have learned more since that he stopped taking a few of his medications like a cholesterol-lowering drug, blood thinner, it is normal to stop taking those when you take paxlovid.
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can you talk about paxlovid rebound, something that we know that dr. fauci had, for example, how common is that and the benefit of paxlovid, i guess, outweighs any risk of a rebound, right? >> absolutely. the benefit of paxlovid, a combination of three medicines, some of which were hiv antiviral medicines far outweighs the use of it. the rebound is only 2% to 7%. so therefore 93% to 98 times out of 100 you're going to do better and have less chance of getting hospitalized or have an emergency situation. the reason that some of those medications have been stopped now is the fact that some of the medicines in paxlovid actually raise the levels of the other medicines in the blood stream. so the better part of valor is to be cautious. you don't want someone to have blood that is way too thin. that could lead to other complications. >> it strikes me that biden's case as we know it now and the symptoms sound very similar to a lot of cases i've heard from
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family, friends, colleagues. mild symptoms, runny nose, sore throat and we don't know what strain biden has. but based on what we know about what strain is moving through the u.s. population now, is that generally what vaccinated and boosted people see if they do test positive for covid? >> yeah, jim, that's exactly what people see. i would have to bet that this is the ba.5 strain, over 95% of the country. even though the symptoms are more mild and yes, they usually can be easily confused with a cold, science congestion, sore throat, you have to be careful because it is in the next five days or so that in some people a rare number of people that can turn into something a little bit more bronchial, a little bit more lung related. and we have to be cautious also for the next week or two that he may also have continued inflammation and coughing, and things like that. but you're absolutely right, those are the symptoms that usually happen nowadays. >> a lot of things as you said working in his favor.
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wishing him the best. dr. jorge rodriguez, thank you very much. next, white house counsel, former white house counsel for former president trump pat cipollone invoked executive privilege for part of his testimony to the january 6th committee. but what he did say and then what he didn't was pretty revealing. you'll see it all right here and we'll talk to a former white house trump lawyer about it.
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some of the most damning testimony we heard in the january 6th committee hearing last night came from former trump white house counsel pat cipollone. he shared how the former president failed to act to call law enforcement, anyone in law enforcement, detailed how many people inside of the white house, apparently everyone urged trump to call off the mob. but cipollone did cite executive privilege on some questions. watch this closely. >> i can't think of anybody, you know, on that day, who didn't want people to get out of the capitol once -- particularly once the violence started, no. i mean -- >> what about the president? >> yeah. >> she said the staff. so i answered. >> no, i said in the white house. >> i'm sorry. i apologize.
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i thought you said who else on the staff. i can't get into communications, but obviously, i think, you know -- >> that was pat cipollone's lawyer next to him, who he was consulting with. let me bring in former trump white house lawyer jim schultz. i want to be clear, you were not working in the white house by this time, you had been gone for a long time. but -- >> that's right. >> the silence says so much, jim, there, and i wonder what it tells you. >> i think it just confirms what we have been seeing time and time again. what we saw last night was that the president at the time wasn't doing anything to stop this. and i think that was, you know, it does appear that the staff was doing everything they could, certainly mike pence, the vice
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president was doing everything he could, and that the president was doing nothing. and i think -- >> the question -- >> the question to cipollone, jim, was did everyone in the white house want it to stop, right? and not only was the president not doing anything, but i think what cipollone was getting there, i wonder if you agree with this, is it -- he didn't say the president did want it to stop. >> no, that's right. i think -- i think that's clear from the inaction that the president was watching and, you know, the hesitation he had and the decisions that he made that day show that, you know, he was watching and watching and doing nothing and not trying to stop it, which leads to conclusion that he didn't want it to stop. i think that's a fair conclusion to make. and i think, look, pat cipollone is a careful lawyer and smart lawyer in that, you know, he answered the question by not answering the question, and he didn't reveal the communications with the president, and that's something that institutionally he felt important to protect
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because pat cipollone, again, being a lawyer whose white house counsel has to protect the institution of the white house going forward. that's a smart way to do it. >> remember how hard this committee pushed to get pat cipollone to come in and testify and that's a moment of why that was so important for the committee and for the american people. after the hearing, congressman adam kinzinger told cnn former president trump, quote, certainly has criminal exposure, he'll join jim on the show in a few minutes for an interview. but i wonder if you think last night's testimony further exposes the president criminally. >> i think it just continues to build this case, right? i think that the testimony about the vice president's security detail, the secret service agents, and how fearful they were of their life, just brings home the idea of the pressure that was being put on mike pence. and in the face of that pressure, mike pence was acting. the vice president was acting, and he should be commended for that. but i think that's the key,
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those types of facts that came out last night are very troubling for the former president, especially as the justice department is looking at it, and don't forget, fulton county, georgia. >> don't forget the state, grand jury, ongoing right now, and to your point about doj, at this point, after this hearing concluded and, by the way, we know there will be more in september, what do you think the chances are, jim, that president trump emerges from all of these hearings when they're done and from a doj probe and from the state criminal probe in georgia without facing charges? what are the chances? >> look, i think it is very likely he's charged and likely charged in both aspects, both federally and at the state level. there is a bigger question at the federal level and attorney general garland has some big decisions to make. but there is a lot of work to be done at the justice department. remember, they have just kind of started, they have been working on this investigation, but they haven't even received all of the information from congress yet.
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so we're far away from any type of final decision-making from doj, i believe, but in fulton county, georgia, where there is a special grand jury ongoing that could switch to a criminal grand jury and there has been target letters, that's real. and that's happening right now. >> yeah, and now rudy giuliani is compelled to talk to them as well in georgia. jim schultz, we appreciate it. thank you for your time. >> thank you. closing arguments will begin shortly in steve bannon's contempt of congress trial. the former trump aide's side rested their case. they didn't have any witnesses. sara murray joins us now. this has been such a peculiar trial for so many reasons. it started and may end this week. >> reporter: that's right. it is a pretty quick trial. we have to remember the burden of proof is still on the government, the government has to prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that steve
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bannon should be convicted. so that would be a reason perhaps to not put on a defense, they also said, look, the witness they wanted to call was benny thomson. the judge didn't allow that. steve bannon, his attorney said bannon wanted to testify, but if he had done so, he would have said i rely on the advice of my attorney and the judge isn't allowing that defense. it may not surprise you that bannon had a lot to say when he left court yesterday. take a listen. >> every time the exact same way, executive privilege, a lawyer is engaged, they worked it out, and every time, every single time more than anybody else in the trump administration and quite frankly even steven k. bannon testified. you heard it laid out today. see you guys tomorrow. by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, one last thing, i stand with trump and the constitution. thank you very much. >> reporter: that's his argument out of court. if this process is unfair and in the past he has testified before the committees when he has been
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called over for other investigations. so today things are going to get rolling. the judge is giving the jury instructions right now. they are then going to move into closing arguments on each side. we don't expect those to be overly lengthy. it will go to the jury for deliberations, guys. as we know, if bannon gets convicted, he faces 30 days behind bars minimum. >> sara murray, thank you for reporting from washington, d.c. any moment now, russia and ukraine are expected to sign a significant deal to finally export grain from war torn ukraine. that would be a big step toward alleviating a growing international food crisis. if this goes through, if it works. we'll have a live report coming up. [ "back to l life" by soul ii soul ]
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perhaps some good news, potential breakthrough that could ease the global food crisis sparked by russia's war in ukraine as both countries are expected to sign in moments an agreement to unblock seaports to allow the export of grain from ukraine. much of the world depends on it. cnn's ivan watson joins us now from ukraine. so turkey and the u.n., they mediated this agreement. i mean, this was far from a fait accompli. i'm wondering what do we believe led to this breakthrough, and how quickly do we believe those ships start moving with ukrainian grain? >> reporter: that's what we're really waiting to find out here. the obstacles here are enormous, but this does come down to food. i'm standing next to kind of rolling fields that have
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recently been harvested of wheat. you see this all over the ukrainian countryside, jim. this is one of the bread basket countries of the world. and the world food program says that as a result of russia's invasion and the blockading of ukrainian ports, that grain prices have gone up some 30% around the world, that tens of millions of people have been pushed into acute hunger by this. a staple food that the price has basically skyrocketed. what's remarkable is in the midst of this vicious war, you've had delegations from the defense ministrys of these two warring countries, russia and ukraine, meeting mediated by turkey, the host country in istanbul, with the united nations, and we're expecting that the defense minister from russia and an infrastructure minister from ukraine are going to sign this agreement. and it's going to create some kind of a mechanism to allow the
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shipment of stockpiles of grain to be implemented from ukraine to the rest of the world. we don't know the specifics yet for how this will work. we know that there are sea mines, mines around the ports, that's going to complicate matters. we know that there have been russian warships that have been sunk in the black sea, and somehow these warring parties would have to come to some agreement to allow cargo ships to start carrying grain to international markets. but there seems to be a fair amount of optimism certainly coming on the part of the united nations that this will, in fact, move forward. jim? >> the yellow in the ukraine flag meant to symbolize those fields of grain. ivan watson in the middle of it. thank you so much. the ukrainian military says that russia is still firing artillery in the donetsk region in the east, but not making any advances on the ground.
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that echoes the scathe aassemblies i heard from the head of the uk foreign intelligence service mi6. richard moore told me that russia is, quote, running out of steam after a series of what he called epic fails by the russian president. i also asked him if the war has now made it easier for him and his service to recruit russian assets, russian spies. have a listen to his answer. as russia has been cut off from the world in effect and a lot of russians who are not happy with that, whether in business, perhaps in government, as well, has this been a target-rich environment for recruiting potential assets? >> i don't think i'm going to go there on that one. i very much hope that russians, many of whom will be within those intelligence services, within their diplomatic service,
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elsewhere in positions of influence inside russia, will reflect on what they are witnessing in the ukraine. and if i think back to the impact, for example, that the crushing of the prague spring had in 1968, that was a moment when a number of russians decided that -- soviets in those days -- decided it was their time to try and strike back against the system that they were representing. so we'll have to see, jim. >> that sounds like a pitch to me. >> our door is always open. >> okay. our door is always open, he said. richard moore also said that russia's ability to spy in europe has been cut in half after hundreds of the country's intelligence officers were expelled throughout the region. next hour you will hear much more from our interview including why he believes that putin has suffered a strategic failure already in ukraine. so many headlines out of
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that interview. i can't wait for everyone to see it right here. meantime, president trump never, we learned in the hearing last night, never called anyone from law enforcement or the pentagon during the insurrection to call off the mob that he's accused of inciting. congressman adam kinzinger says trump has, quote, criminal exposure. he'll be on the show in just a few minutes. stay with us. with technology that can scale across all your clouds... it's easisier to do more innovative things. [whihistling] your record label is takining off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed insta match instantly delivers quality candidates matching youjob description. visit
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a very good friday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. glad you're with us. what a night, the january 6th hearing last night and news that there will be more come september as they gather an overwhelming amount of evidence about the attack on the capitol. last night's primetime hearing revealed some of the most damning exhibits and testimony yet, illustrating former president trump's refusal to call off the mob


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