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sunday." it was an attack on democracy directly overseen by the president of the united states. that is the message the january 6 committee sought to convey to the american people. it painted a picture of a president obsessed with overturning the election culminating in a violent mob he did nothing to stop. >> are you aware of my phone call by the president of the united states to the secretary of defense that day? >> not that i'm aware of, no. >> are you aware of my phone call by the president out united states to the attorney general of the united states that day? >> no. >> did you hear the president ask for the national guard? >> no. >> commander in chief, assault going on on the united states of america. nothing? no call? nothing? zero? >> after eight hearings here's what the committee wants voters
asking. >> every american must consider this. can a president who's willing to make the choices donald trump made during the violence of january 6 ever be trusted with any position of authority in our great nation again? >> they also hope prosecutors are taking notice. >> there needs to be accountability. accountability under the law. accountability to the american people all the way up to the oval office. >> justice department doesn't need to wait on us to do something. i sure as hell hope that merrick garland has a criminal investigation into donald trump. >> let's discuss with a panel. looking at everything they have learned over the last several weeks in the hearings, revelations. trump told by officials he lost.
pressuring the justice department to falsely claim election fraud. trying to force the secret service to take him to the capitol. questions act witness tampering. what do you take away from what we learned so far? >> zero concern. the place this seems to be having the imspakt the republican establishment. there's evidence this week, "the wall street journal" editorial board, "the new york post" editorial board saying it might be a farce but what we learned about donald trump is unacceptable and starting to pick that up from the republican sources who are hoping to work for other republican candidates in a 2024 presidential primary. i think the trick with that is that if there's a bunch of people running against him it
cl clears the way but there's willingness among elites to challenge donald trump. >> listen to senator john thune, number two republican. i asked him last week whether or not he wants donald trump to run for re-election. >> my guess is there will be other candidates and he has a loyal base of followers but i think there are a number of other attractive potential republican candidates who will make a decision. >> republicans want a crowded republican field. >> look. the point is basically about math and the more candidates get in the easier for donald trump to hit the number he needs and we can have a debate -- >> call it 30%. >> right. the floor and the ceiling are similar for donald trump and if there's 16 candidates in that 30% looks strong and the reality
of how the primaries. we spent time in the states. what matters is who's in first place as you keep moving on. it's survivor and advance. he can do that. >> this is giving me flashbacks. will the anti-trump vote coalesce? they want a crowded field at the beginning but will they get the act together to coalesce around a candidate the way they didn't in 2016? not only are the stakes higher but donald trump's appeal is solidified more than in 2016 with the republican primary. >> it is interesting to see the impact of the hearings on trump's standing. from the npr/maris poll.
53% said he deserves great deal or good amount of blame for january 6. shouldn't run for president in 2024. now 32%. what's this tell us about where the republican base is? primary electorate is in viewing donald trump standing? >> when you ask the committee is this changing hearts and minds and having an impact? we are seeing that through the polling. will it actually? that's still the question that will be determined in this midterms. trump is successful with some endorsements in some places and also been rejected and the democrats hope to run against a trump akikoccolite. will they see how much influence
he still has? >> i think some reality here, too, that manu, but in a general election moving past the primary donald trump is a capital "l" loser. they want to move beyond him. they did better in 2020 than he did. likely to do better in 2022. i think the same in 2024. if they can pick somebody else they have a better chance of beating the democratic nominee. >> thune doesn't want donald trump to run for president but he may support him. i want to -- he told me that last week. you expect republicans to fall in line. i want to talk about one moment from the hearing that happened last week when adam kinsinger discussed what a white house
employee said to the committee about donald trump's state of mind in the aftermath of the attack. >> on the screen is the last photograph of the president that night going into the residence. as he was gathering the things in the dining room to leave donald trump reflected with a white house employee. donald trump said nothing to the employee about the attack. he said only, quote, mike pence let me down. >> i mean, you covered the trump white house. was he genuinely surprised that pence did not do what was unprecedented and unconstitutional? >> donald trump is very much that guy like you're telling me there's a chance? he holds on to the possibility of whatever he wants until the very last possible second. he was not only trying to
convince mike pence up until january 6 to quote do the right thing as he said and to go against the constitutional duty to certify the votes but he was holding hope for it and i think ultimately not only genuinely disappointed but i don't know. it's difficult to get into that mindset but the reality that's where trump was. >> he tried to get this result changed and did all sorts of things including with mike pence and still so much question about what comes next and what does the justice department do and the attorney general do. he told reporters last week that no one is above the law and doesn't seem to be in a rush. >> that's the part and parcel of garland. he'll look at the evidence, weigh everything. no one's above the law is
significant. potentially for donald trump. the problem is what's happening in georgia with the d.a.'s office. they have a different elements of the law to prove to potentially go after trump. b, they have a different power structure. a droistrict attorney in georgi doesn't have the same precedent as garland. we should not pretend to know what will happen. >> exactly what is happening in the justice department. but democrats on the hill, they think that garland is going too slowly. >> yeah. if they could pass a law and make him act they would do it. there's a good point in that clip that we showed earlier that it would be ignorant to think they resparen't paying attentio
>> they are. >> we don't know the exact moment in particular. >> we do know that the january 6 commit tee is sharing information. starting to. with the justice department. how far does that go? what do they decide to do? up next to us, the current president beginning day four of the covid isolation. we have the latest on his health.
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gas prices are coming down. >> joining me now is cnn medical analyst dr. wen. thank you for joining me this morning. the white house says that things are getting better for the president but given his age and those concerns what concerns do you have about his health and long covid? >> the good news is that president biden's general prognosis is excellent as is the prognosis of anyone in his position. he has age as a risk factor but he is otherwise pretty health. vaccinated and boosted times two. even with the first booster you are well protected and then he also got paxlovid early on in the course of the illness. now you asked about long covid.
i think that there's a difference between symptoms that are annoying and persist and we may see that with a bit of a could have but true long covid to the point that things that the president may have debilitating fatigue the chance is very low and should be comforted in knowing the symptoms are mild thus far. >> what do you think about the way that the white house is disclosing the information? do you believe it is as transparent as it should have been? >> initially i gave the white house high marks. they said he started on paxlovid and what should be done. i do think that the white house should make the treating physician available for questions. if the one physician doesn't
want to answer questions from the media there should be a team of physicians treating the president. it is normal for there to be a team treating any patient and somebody on the medical team should be answer to questions and give the president's vital sign and not second hand through people like dr. jha and dr. fauci but to hear from the people or the person treating the president and a good teaching moment for the country. how the symptoms should be treated. >> cases and hospitalizations are surging. look at the map on the screen. hospitalizations are ticking up. deaths too. congress has not approved more money to stockpile the vaccines
and tests. how important is that money that congress has not approved? >> it is really important because we need better tools moving forward in this pandemic. we have paxlovid and one monoclonal antibody but what if variant develop that these medications don'twork? we need better vaccines. always being behind in developing vaccines. we need a "operation warp speed part 2." we need more exists treatments and vaccines. we won't get mask mandates back
smuchings some officials want that. but it's not going to happen. so then we need to focus on will americans tolerate? testing, vaccines, treatments. let's fund that and a major mistake if congress waits for a lethal variant before investing. >> two plus years into the pandemic still not over yet. thank you so much for the time and expertise this morning. up next, democracy under attack. a pro trump election denier coululd be the next governor of arizona.
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central message of the january 6 hear sgs that american democracy is still under assault. >> the forces donald trump ignited that day have not gone away. the militant intolerant ideologies, the militias and the weird fantasies and disinformation. they're all still out there ready to go. that's the elephant in the room. >> you can see in the republican primaries. pro trump candidate that is deny the results of the last election and one arizona carrie lake running for governor in arizona. she spoke on friday night. >> i know for a fact we won't accept rigged elections. who's with me on that? we have a wide open border.
the cartels are in control. we have an illegitimate president biden allowing it to happen. fake news wants us to think that that guy got 81 million votes. okay. all righty. >> again, no evidence of widespread election fraud proven the challenges rejected by the courts. >> the president's own attorney general. >> there could be a governor lake that won't certify election votes. also in pennsylvania, michigan. >> again, no one in the table knows how that will shake out. there's things that the senate and house can do. there's a strengthen of the institutions to some extent. seems like this ms. lake is
leading in the polls. we'll find out in the arizona race what pro trump ideas get you. more interesting is washington state with two republicans on the same day that voted to impreach donald trump. that's the one that i look at. if they get through we see that there isn't a huge sanction for challenging trump and you can say liz cheney. >> right. trump is still at it. we learned last week he called the wisconsin house speaker urging him to desert if i the election. that is not a thing. it is impossible to know what trump is thinking but why do this? >> i think donald trump, we understand everything we will about why he does this.
he can't stand the fact that he lost. he tried to bend and break the system to stay in power and failed. a thing we have learned from the january 6 committee that applies to the races in arizona and pennsylvania, the importance of officials who are standing up and are willing to stand up for the system and for the truth because we have learned from the january 6 hearings that the guardrails held. the system held. it held just barely. paper thin. >> barely. people we nevada -- the fact that brad raffensperger is a household name is insane. it's deserved and the it's potentially as important in 2024 as he was in 2020. >> seeing the races play out is the way that democrats handle
it, meddling in the primaries trying to prop up the candidates because they think they can beat them in the general election. look what was run in maryland. >> meet dan cox. donald trump's hand picked candidate. he worked with trump trying to prove the last election was a fraud. he will protect the second amendment at all costs. >> larry hogan said the democrats are playing with fire. are they? >> i think we need to acknowledge a clear strategy. not only in maryland but across races in soefrl other states. josh shapiro for doug mastriano in pennsylvania, for example. trying to get the more extreme candidate in the general. of course it raises the questions about the -- them
playing with fire and the dangers. if the democrats say that drk is under attack how can go ahead and prop the candidates up? >> it is a huge risk. >> it is not only a risk. we also know that democrats, their argument is that this lane would not exist if the republicans did not allow this. >> they did this before, too, democrats have. republicans sometimes meddle in democratic primaries. can it work and especially in house races. >> it is interesting. about a month ago pelosi told her caucus in a private meeting we won't win on the democracy argument. everyone is paying attention to inflation and the economy and that's what we should be sticking to. but you see it still happening.
a lot of those front line members say privately i would much rather run against a super maga trump. they don't run to against a glen youngkin because it's hard to paint him as trump, if that candidate is talking about republican issues without the whole big maga label behind them. >> that's going to be one of the democrats' midterm issues. president biden is preparing to make the entry into campaign mode. a key argument is that the republican party is extreme and more extreme than what you think about the democrats and having the kind of candidates helps to play into the argument. >> the challenge and my question and we don't have the answers yet until november but in the past it is true that both parties played the game and
meddled in primaries and the extreme candidates didn't actually going on to win. we are now in a much different political environment and if you want to believe what many are saying is that everybody, everybody who cares about democracy needs to clean up the act and make a number one priority. you have a message. propping up the kinds of candidates like in pennsylvania and in arizona that is contrary to everything else you are telling the american people about what's important and if ends up that the extreme candidates that they propped up get elected and make moves in 2024 that jeopardize the democracy process they'll have to answer for that. >> when the democrats say the boast step is donald trump-like
candidates and they're bolstering them for advantage in a tight race both arguments can't be true and it is -- you see why they're doing and the obvious advantages. >> more likely to win an election if they do. >> it's not just because some moms are listening but i hear like be careful what you wish for. >> >> want to run against donald trump. >> midterms are so critical. mike pence tries to escape from donald trump's shadow. what's the playbook for handling his former boss? three e days. instructor: come on milwaukee! i see you! after riding twelve miles to nowhere, i'm taking a detour.
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it's been by proxy to take him on like in arizona. both men were there on friday. trump's speech a familiar list of attacks. pence's was standard republican fare. >> when you get out and vote for karen taylor rob zson and this republican team you can say yes to a future of freedom for arizona. you can say yes to the more cherished values of life and liberty, yes to strong borders, safe streets and safe schools, a growing economy. >> he didn't mention trump but in tweets he was more direct. some people want this election to be about the past but if the republican party allows itself to be consumed by yesterday's grievances we will lose. i wonder who he is talking about there. what is the playbook here for
pence? >> they like the split screen. they're looking for opportunities to draw the contrast. not going to dreckly draw the contrast. now in looking for the future to have potential split screen moments. they like being the other candidates in the rick. they probably won't jump in to places they don't think they can win. they won't pick fights. they look for opportunities it suits them and clearly one they like the numbers and the dynamic. >> so interesting to see the pence evolution. the loyal servant behind donald trump. defended him to the nth degree. take a look. >> i can tell you firsthands our president is a man with broad shoulders and a big heart. his vision, his energy, his optimism are boundless.
because of your determination, because of your leadership the forgotten men and women of america are forgotten no more. president trump is a doer. and few presidents have brought more independence, energy, or determination to that office. >> he's come a long way. >> he certainly has and as mike pence tries to figure out how to run against trump an interesting thing is that he in many ways made the path much more difficult because in the wake of the 2020 election indulged the lies about the election. mike pence stood in the way of the full accomplishment, the full realization of the attempts but after the election he like so many republicans indulged the point that you have a large swath that believes the election lies and now mike pence can't be
the guy to say, well, that wasn't true when he indulged it for so, so long. >> sure. he and others created a problem for themselves in the republican base. i don't think we should minimize what pence did on january 6. everything is riding on his shoulders and as outlined made the decision to go against it and watching the clips you can be forgiven as donald trump to think that mike pence might do what you wanted in a situation. that was pence's history. it's all about getting oxygen to run in the republican presidential primary and pence standing up to trump gets oxygen from this table and the media landscape. i think the challenge for them is again going to be being one of many because if there are many challengers to donald trump it is much more likely he'll
walk up and receive the nomination in 2024. if mike pence is there with the list, that probably hands trump the nomination. >> look at a poll out from "the times" and sienna college asking who would you pick as the gop nominee. 49% said trump. desantis is closest at 25%. pence at 6%. super early. >> what was biden at? >> certainly. look at what a republican strategist told your newspaper. this sarah longwell, we ask people what about mike pence and get eh. that's the sound people make. he doesn't seem to jazz up the base. >> there is the difference between the base and what privately i think what politicians on capitol hill want and how republicans did this to
themself they ginned up the base that is obsessed with trump. love trump. they like a desantis like trump but on capitol hi i think a poignant moment of the week mike pence visited a sizable group of house republicans and congressman chip roy, stood up and said thank you for counting the votes. thank you for what you did essentially on january 6. they don't want to talk about january 6 but got a round of applause from people in the room and the feeling we heard along the lines of i don't want to talk about trump. i kind of want a republican in the mold of a mike pence but again they follow the base. >> look. the republicans on the hill were happy with what he did on january 6 but was the republican base? >> that's the big question. >> chanting hang mike pence at that rally. >> is the establishment and the
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striking down roe v. wade. federal protections for gay marriage, means ten republican votes in the senate to become law. so far it has five and one of the interesting five there is senator ron johnson of wisconsin. he's, of course, in a difficult re-election race. mariana, do you think there could be 60 votes in the senate? it appears they're moving in that direction. >> it seems impossible that you could e get 47 house republicans. obviously that's a small number compared to the entire conference. it surprised democrats and shook senators into action saying, oh, we can actually put this on the floor, we can do this. i think there is a genuine effort. it is one of the issues that appears to be less controversial than, for instance, contraception which is one of the things house democrats are trying to codify. that didn't get enough support.
it probably won't in the senate. >> a remarkable sentence, let's stop for a second. it is true what you said, bit's remarkable. >> manu, what senator rubio said to you in the hallway changed the game on it. the way he put it, calling it essentially stupid was so direct, i think it turned a lot of heads and made people realizes this is not an issue -- this is really a settled issue politically in the united states. it's actually remarkable how quickly it changed through the '90s and 2000s from something that was a cultural hot button that people really do except. even in a state like florida, it's telling. >> he called it a stupid waste of time. this is a party that is still struggling on the issue of gay marriage. listen to what senator rob portman said to me, one of the republicans who have been out
front in support of this issue. he said this to me earlier this week. >> do you feel republican views on this issue are changing? >> yeah, i think that's obvious when you look at the house vote, when you look at the shifting sentiment about this issue throughout the country. >> to kasie's point, republicans are still divided. >> they don't want to have the fight. it's obvious they want to move on, focus on inflation, focus on the issues they think favor them. it's clear they want to move quickly and get this done with. i don't see any evidence to the contrary. you guys are talking to as many members as i am. >> it's fair to focus on the fact that 47 republicans voted for this which is remarkable. it's equally remarkable that 157 house republicans voted against this. there's such overwhelming support for gay marriage in the united states. donald trump really did a lot to try to move his party past this
issue by not making it a flashpoint during the 2016 campaign. obviously his policies in government were a lit different as related to lgbtq issues. nonetheless, this is an issue that has overwhelming support and three-quarters of house republicans are voting against this. >> there is a cultural war playing out. democrats are embracing the issues as economy, inflation, things that put their party on the defensive. there are some lgbtq issues which republicans are also embracing, the trans issues, 55% of americans from a "washington post" poll saying americans oppose letting trance gender girls compete on girls high school teams. there are a record number of bills at the state level to curtail lgbtq rights. how much of an impact do you think this will have in the midterms? >> you talk about on capitol hill. you haven't heard that argument as much when we're talking about this bill in particular. but it possibly can -- it does
splinter a little bit, especially when you're talking about transgender women in sports. i even heard from democrats privately saying that could be an issue where you can find people saying reasonably, okay, that doesn't seem to be something i agree with. how big does it play? i think it depends on district, state, where that can probably be a stronger argument. it's likely not going to be your biggest issue, especially with inflation, the economy and all that. >> jeremy, you know this having covered the former president. he's out there doing rallies. he's openly mocking trans people from the stage and trying to get cheers from the crowd. it's difficult for people who are in that situation. i think one person to look to on this is spencer cox, the governor of utah, when this came up in his state, he pointed to the fact that they were talking about a vanishingly small number of people legislating around trans issues.
he's saying four or five people in this kind of a situation and we need to look at this from a compassionate perspective. these people he said in this letter, already have so many challenges, why are we starting to make it harder? for democrats broadly, if they can make republicans look extreme they're going to win from a political perspective. republicans are in a box in primary situations. i think that explains a lot of foets. >> no question about it. an interesting dynamic to play out. thank you form watching. that's it for "inside politics sunday."" you can listen to our podcast. scan the qr code at the bottom of your screen, up next, "state of the union" with jake tapper and dana bash. jake's defendants include liz cheney, larry hogan and transportation secretary pete buttigieg. thank you for sharing your sunday morning with us. see you next time. breyers. 100% grade a milk and cream,
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