cream sodas. >> i would buy you a lifetime supply of tums. that's what i would do. >> what would i do with that money? i would just feel comfortable that i had security. >> that's so nice. >> a smile on top of her millions. >> harry, thank you very much. cnn's coverage continues right now. good wednesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. glad you're with us. from running mates to potential 2024 rivals, former president trump and former vice president pence both in washington today, expected to deliver highly anticipated speeches with duelling messages on the future of the republican party, while getting ready for their own potential runs for the white house. at any moment, the former vice president will speak at a national conservative student conference. in an earlier speech that was postponed due to weather, he was expected to argue, quote,

conservatives must focus on the future, closed quote, a not so veiled shot at his former boss, the former president's false claims about the 2020 election. >> remarkable to have a vice president who served under that president to then challenge him. a spokesman for the former president tells cnn he will use his speech today to focus on law and order. this as the justice department's inquiry into the capitol attack widens. pence's former chief of staff marc short confirmed to cnn he testified before a doj grand jury investigating the january 6th insurrection, making him the highest profile witness known to have testified so far in the criminal investigation. have a listen. >> our secret service did a phenomenal job that day. and their job was made more complicated candidly by the fact that the capitol had been breached and they wanted to evacuate the vice president, but it has been covered the vice president didn't want the image of a 15-car motorcade fleeing the hallmark of democracy for the world to see. i candidly think that, you know,

if the rioters had gotten any closer, likely there would have been a massacre in the capitol. it wouldn't have been secret service agents, though, who would have been the ones harmed. >> just remarkable to hear him say that. our senior justice correspondent evan perez joins us now. marc short is also, we now know, provided testimony, we knew previously that the house select committee, but now we know he's provided testimony to the department of justice grand jury. that's significant, no? >> oh, yeah, it is a huge deal. what this does, poppy and jim, is for the first time we know, you know, publicly because marc short confirmed it to erin burnett last night, we know for the first time that prosecutors, investigators, all of the january 6th, you know, the january 6th investigation of the justice department have now reached into the trump white house. marc short and "the wall street journal" is also reporting greg jacob, the general counsel for -- the counsel for the

former vice president, both have testified before this grand jury. and this is the grand jury, guys, that is looking at broader at the issue of the effort to stop certification of the election, which was an effort obviously focused on congress, as well as the effort to get these fake electors who would essentially be the people who could vote in donald trump and keep him in office. obviously the justice department investigation is -- is going a lot more slowly, perhaps, than members of congress and some of the critics would like. but there has been a lot of activity behind the scenes that they have not been able to detect. listen to representative adam kinzinger express some of that frustration. >> there was a lot of frustration, just kind of personally for the last, i guess, year and a half, like what's doj doing. obviously we have two different interests. ours is to get to the bottom of what happened, put out

recommendations, the department of justice is to look at any personal criminality. i have to ask, what have they been doing for the last year and a half? >> reporter: jim and poppy, they have been doing a lot. i think perhaps members of congress and even us, you know in the media, we have been a little mystified as to what was going on behind the scenes. we know that the deputy attorney general, lisa monaco, told us in january that they were doing this inquiry into the electors. we know that that has expanded since then. we also know now that, you know, at a minimum prosecutors, justice department officials, had to have a discussion about the implications for donald trump. donald trump and john eastman were in a meeting on january 4th where they were trying to persuade mike pence that he had the power to discard the constitution, to discard election results, which, of course, he ended up not doing. so this is why this is a very important piece of testimony that we now know the grand jury has received. jim and poppy. >> evan perez, thanks so much.

let's speak to jeffrey toobin. so, jeffrey, to be clear, this is not the january 6th committee testimony, we had senior officials testify there, some of them publicly this is the doj criminal investigation. so the importance of having someone at that level with that kind of vision inside the trump administration, particularly into that plot to pressure the vice president, right, to reject valid votes, what does that tell you about the status of the doj probe? >> they're looking at whether donald trump committed a crime. i don't think there is any alternative to that interpretation. and these are central questions that have emerged. was there improper pressure on mike pence to reject the election returns? was -- what was the involvement of the white house in the fake electors scheme and was the crime committed there? was there corrupt pressure put on the justice department? both the -- both pence officials

who testified know about all three of those questions. and that's all about whether donald trump and perhaps also john eastman, the lawyer who was working with him, committed a crime. >> jeffrey toobin, do you think that adam kinzinger's question of where has doj been is the right one or should we be looking at this through the lens of it is better to get it right than fast? or faster? >> well, i'm going to give you a different answer. i mean, i think as evan said, you know, we don't know exactly how the justice department has been conducting its criminal investigation so far. grand jury investigations are by definition secret. we, as journalists, try to find out what's going on and we find out some things, but they just happen to see the -- the pence officials coming out of the

grand jury yesterday. but we don't know what they have been doing. and now clearly they are investigating the white house, and it is also worth remembering a year and a half, two years to indictment, that's what it took in iran/contra, that's what it took in watergate, these white house scandals take a long time to do a criminal investigation. >> wise words, jeffrey toobin, thanks very much. at any moment former vice president pence will speak to young conservatives in washington. >> let's bring in cnn's kristen holmes. you've been covering this for some time. his remarks come right before president trump's speech, also his return to d.c. at the america first summit. tell us what the two messages are expected to be from the former president and the former vice president. >> well, look, if these speeches look anything like what we have seen from the two of them in recent weeks they will be markedly different. we'll talk about former president trump first. this is being billed as a policy

speech focused on law and order. remember, republicans believe that high crime rates are one of the driving factor that will bring people to the polls in november. allies around trump tell me they hope he actually uses this opportunity, one, to state republican agenda ahead of the midterms and, two, to actually lay the ground work in a real way for 2024, looking forward, not setting up the rallies where he essentially airs his grievances for hours on end. they hope that he can actually focus on this and focus on the future, which so far he has been unable to do. that is quite different from his former vice president, mike pence, who aides formerly refer to as on message mike. he has been hammering home the same message for the last several weeks, which is the future. republicans should be the party of the future. republicans should stop looking at the past and as you men mentioned, a lot of this seeming like thinly veiled jabs at trump who harps on the 2020 election. while neither of them have yet to announce a 2024 presidential

bid, excuse me, it does seem as though they are setting up for this epic showdown between the two men who served side by side in the white house. >> kristen holmes, thank you very much. joining us to discuss, cnn political commentator se cupp and former republican congresswoman from utah, nia love. good to have you on. you cannot underestimate the significance of having a former vice president, four years later challenge a former president, right? so openly here. but i wonder, we have a gop pollster on later in the show who says in focus groups she's been doing, the gop voters she speaks to have no interest in a pence candidacy. they see him as old guard. i wonder if this battle we're describing here taking place generally among gop voters or really just in a tight bubble of d.c. and political commentary? nia love, you first. >> well, okay, i think this is actually an important debate that is going to happen, and it

is, you know, i just have to say that pence's message can be summed up with this. his remarks this morning that are going to be focused on the fact he said i believe that conservatives must focus on the future. where former president donald trump's message has been focused on himself. and certainly not the american people or the future. he has -- he is fighting his pack of grievances where i believe that mike pence is going to talk about conservative policies moving forward, and he needs to talk about conservative policies moving forward. he has an opportunity here. because the failed policies of democrats have not worked. people are suffering. they're suffering. they're focused on putting food on the table. where we need a positive message going forward, how we're going to make american lives better. >> so there is some really interesting, se, cnn polling, sad, but the reality is only 29%

of republicans are confident in elections in america today, reflecting the will of the people. only 57% of democrats. neither of those numbers are what you want. you want people to trust elections. this is a lot because of the continuing election lies by trump and his allies. but i wonder, given those numbers, given that reality, is pence not focusing on the past message going to resonate with all these folks who think it was stolen? and it wasn't? >> a couple of things. listen, pence's existential crisis is how do you court voters who wanted to hang you? and let's be clear, mike pence still goes and speaks at conservative conferences, he's called a traitor, jeered and heckled, by people who make up the base of the party. that's -- that leaves him with, i think, a very narrow pathway to the republican nomination. it is also, though, really hard to talk about the future when the republican party is rolling back protections for women, gay

marriage, banning books and really, i mean, almost as a block, as a party, returning us to the 1950s. i think for mike pence, the future just means forget about the past four years, where i covered, you know, carried donald trump's water, forget about the fact he's barking about rigged elections, let's forget that all happened. that's what he means by the future. it is convenient. >> se cupp, i wonder, this goes beyond pence and trump. there are other republicans who are directly calling out trump or dipping their toe into the water of potential run. desantis, for instance, nikki haley tweeting about that kind of thing. i wonder where you see the race for the party. yes, donald trump is still popular, but perhaps if you speak to some of the pollsters, less so than he was a few months ago. where does it stand? are we looking for a wide open

republican race for the nomination in 2024? >> yeah, well, the thing is that so far no one who is really, like, very different from donald trump has decided to run yet. you've got pence and desantis and nikki haley all flirting with it. i would say they're trump lite. they supported and defended donald trump a lot. you don't have someone yet like an adam kinzinger, right, someone who painted a very strong contrast between him and donald trump. so they're all sort of versions of trump, and i think that means that all of them will be kept in a cluster for some time. >> congresswoman love, respond to this, so marc short, former pence aide, made a whole lot of news on cnn last night when he talked to our colleague erin burnett and notable is what he said in response to congressman matt gaetz saying mike pence will never be president, that pence wasn't a leader. here is what pence's former aide

marc short thinks of that. >> i don't know if mike pence will run for president in 2024, but i don't think matt gaetz will have an impact on that. i would be surprised if he was still voting. it is more likely he'll be in prison for child sex trafficking by 2024, and i'm actually surprised that florida law enforcement still allows him to speak to teenage conferences like that. i'm not too worried about what matt gaetz thinks. >> i mean, that's quite a statement. but it is from a republican who worked at a very conservative -- worked for a very conservative republican, pence, against another conservative, though very different republican, matt gaetz. what do you think big picture? >> i think big picture, as long as matt gaetz continues to talk about mike pence, it is better for mike pence because there is a clear contrast there. listen, mike pence has shown that he can be trusted with the constitution. he has, under the worst circumstances, was able to stand and do his job.

and keep our democracy from descending into chaos. so he has earned the trust of a lot of republicans and i think the -- i think the jury is still out. let people continue to go, and talk about their message. and we will see who has the best message for conservatives going forward. >> congresswoman love, s.e. cupp, thank you very much. still to come, the white house is expected to name a monkeypox coordinator soon. this as criticism of the federal response grows. what dr. fauci said this morning about the virus. and new cnn reporting this morning, fascinating reporting from our joan biskupic on how john roberts tried and in the end ultimately failed to lobby his fellow conservative justices to preserve some abortion rights. details on how it all unfolded behind the scenes. plus, flooding in st. louis this morning, cars submerged, water rescues now under way. the most rain the city has ever seen in a single day, with more

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this morning, major flooding in st. louis, which prompted a flash flood emergency. officials say it is the wettest day ever recorded there. and it is still raining. >> wow. our meteorologist chad myers joins us. the wettest day on record. and almost 150 years of record keeping. wow. >> and it is only 8:20 in the morning. >> yeah. >> they still have hours and hours of rainfall to go to make that number go higher and break, 8.06 inches of rainfall overnight. that's the problem. it all came down, one storm after another. we call it training, just one storm right on top of the same train tracks that the last storm just went on by. look at the stripe across this area, all of that purple, that's 10 inches of rain or more. we still have a couple up here that are being added up. 11 inches, 10 1/2, and some of

these areas are still going to pick up another 1 to 2 before it finally stops. it was a stationary front. like a stationary bike. they don't move. the heat and humidity down here, bumped up against the stationary front and it just rained all night long. and it could rain for the rest of the day. maybe not as heavy, but in the heat of the day, these storms could get going again. so there go the storms from this morning. but watch what happens back out here. along i-70, we get more storms developing in the heat of the day, like they do, they get bigger in the heat of the day, and then finally down to the south, more showers and storms, possible flooding, into parts of kentucky. for the next couple of days, this isn't moving because like i said, it is a stationary front and it refuses to do anything except generate that much rainfall and that many problems for the people that are around st. louis and to the northwest. >> geez. rooting for all of them, but that's got to be devastating to a lot of homes, businesses, et cetera. chad, thank you very much. from floods to fire, the oak

fire, now scorched more than 17,000 acres. officials say the fire burning near yosemite national park is still only 16% contained. >> cnn national correspondent camila bernal is at the scene there. so, now, camila, officials say the blaze moving northeast, i just wonder what areas are this -- is this now threatening and can they get it under control? >> reporter: well, they hope they can get it under control, jim and poppy. good morning. they say they're doing everything they can, working 24/7 to work on that con containment, which as you said is now at 16%. what officials here say is that the fire is moving at unprecedented speeds. and that's because in part the ongoing drought here in this state of california, everything is dry. so you have things like a bark beetle and it has killed and essentially destroyed many, many of the trees in this area. so you have all these dead trees, all the dead material,

and that causes the perfect storm for this fire because it helps it spread really, really quickly. and that's when you have people trying to leave this area and not having enough time. already more than 17,000 acres have burned. and officials say it is a direct result of climate change. there are 55 structures that are destroyed, as crews continue that assessment. those numbers continue to go up. but they do say they're making progress. they say yesterday they were able to dump 300,000 gallons of water. we now have a lot of resources here. they have 24 helicopters, 302 engines, 82 bulldozers, 68 water tenders, 2,991 personnel and 61 crews here on the ground. so that has helped a lot. a lot of the crews are working to control the fire, to keep those fire lines, to put out the hot spots. so you're seeing the work in the

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we can get a handle on this, we can get this under control with testing and vaccination, but we really do need to act now. so let's take a look at some of these case numbers. if you look around the world, there have been more than 18,000 cases worldwide, in about 75 countries. as you said, 3500 in the u.s., those numbers are both probably way larger in reality than they are -- than what we're seeing here, probably a lot that is not being detected or reported. 99% in the u.s. are among men who report sexual contact with other men. now, to be clear, it doesn't mean they actually have to have sex, just prolonged skin to skin contact will actually cause -- can actually spread monkeypox. let's take a look at the situation with the vaccine. that's where we're having trouble. so 300,000 doses have been distributed. but 1.5 million people are eligible and everyone needs two doses. you can see that there is not nearly enough vaccine out there. so, cnn spoke earlier with

dr. anthony fauci who talked about the need to distribute carefully, distribute it to people who already have been infected, because this say vaccine that can help you, even if you're already infected, and also to people who are at high risk of being infected. so let's take a listen. >> there now has to be a balance between vaccines available for those who clearly have been exposed, as well as those at risk. and that's where the now the change in the distribution so that you anticipate that someone might get infected as opposed to responding to someone who is infected. >> so what fauci and others don't want to see happen is they don't want, for example, two men who are in a monogamous relationship, they probably don't need to get this vaccine. this vaccine is really for people who are at high risk for being infected. so there is -- it is a little bit of a tough situation because you don't want to turn people away, but you also don't want to be giving this valuable scarce resource to people who aren't at

high risk. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you for the facts on all of this. let's me before in dr. tyler tamir. thank you very much for joining us. i was reading about some of your concerns in the "l.a. times" and wanted to hear more from you about what is happening there because in the city of san francisco, the city has gotten 8,000 vaccine doses. but there is one of their vaccine locations closed today because of a lack of supply. and you guys have a wait list, as i understand it, right, of people who want the vaccine now. how long has that list gotten? >> yeah, thanks so much for having me this morning. we continue to face a really complicated situation here in san francisco. our sexual health clinic magnet currently has about 6,500 individuals on it who we have deemed eligible for vaccination,

yet we have a scarce supply to respond. >> okay. so yesterday i was joined on the show by the health and human services secretary, xavier becerra, and i asked him why has the u.s. not, as the w.h.o. has, declared monkeypox a public health emergency, because he told me his concern level about monkeypox is a 10 out of 10. here's his reply. >> we want to get ahead of it. you don't want it to become a part of life. but how many people have died compared to say, covid? zero. we declare public health emergencies based on the data and the science, not on our worries. we try to prepare for things. and so our scientists, as with covid, are making decisions as we speak. >> what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, you know, this is a really overwhelming moment as someone who identifies myself as a black gay man, who is living with hiv for the last 18 years.

i, every day, i'm seeing fear in our community and concerns about the lack of availability of vaccine. and, you know, we're in a moment once again where people in a community, cis gender, transgender men and nonbinary folks have the same social and sexual networks have been failed in this public health response, from the federal government, and it is hard not to wonder if the sense of urgency isn't there, because of the population that is greatly impacting. >> you feel as though they have been failed, your word. fda, former fda commissioner scott gottlieb echoed though sentiments and said it could become endemic and he said it would be among the most unfortunate public health failures of recent times. when this white house coordinator for monkeypox is

named, what do you want to see them do urgently? >> urgently we need a response from the federal government in terms of resources and funding to effectively respond. our partners at the national coalition of std directors and here in san francisco aids foundation are calling for hhs to provide $100 million in a response of monkeypox around the country. we need to reduce the bureaucratic barriers that exist in folks being able to access testing and treatment in our country, and get the message out as broadly as we can to the community about how to recognize monkeypox and where to go if you have symptoms or believe you have been in contact. there has been a failure in providing accurate real time information and in getting the vaccine out to the community in the timeliness that it is needed in this moment, and a short window by which we could gain control. >> let's hope that window is

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tell cnn that supreme court chief justice john roberts fought to the bitter end to try and convince his fellow conservative justices to preserve some constitutional right to abortion. >> but, it was the unprecedented leak of a draft opinion reversing roe that may have doomed his efforts and sealed that final vote count. here with us now, the author of the piece, joan biskupic. you covered roberts for years. my question here is was he trying to preserve roe for the long-term or the short-term, go more slowly? >> good question, jim. good to see you and poppy. the chief has been against abortion rights in the past, but this time it was going way too fast for him. first of all, the justices didn't even take this case initially to decide roe v. wade. it was just going to be consideration of the mississippi law that banned abortion after 15 weeks. so this was a huge

transformation of the case. the chief anticipated what a jolt to use his word it would be for the country, so he wanted to stop what the majority was headed toward doing. but toward your bottom line question, look, he is somebody who has opposed abortion rights in the past, maybe if there were full consideration of roe he would be a rote tovote to overt but it was too fast, too much for him to handle in the end too. >> joan, so people understand, you are the author of really the definitive book on john roberts, the chief, and you know so well the court that he wanted this be viewed as by the public, and i just wonder, you know, he's the one who launched the investigation into the leaked draft of dobbs, which overturned roe, i wonder what you think this says about the court going forward for the next decades, is the court, you know, when anthony kennedy was on it and you could -- you saw agreements made and you saw votes changed at the last minute and you saw

some slower movements, not in all cases, is that gone? >> you know, that's a great question, poppy. i have to say, the chief, for as much as he really tried to stall what happened in this dobbs case, he is part of a six-justice super majority that is plowing through the law in so many other areas. on gun control, on regulations of the environment, on religious liberties, favoring religious conservatives, so this is such a different court overall, with virtually no middle. now, on abortion rights, there was a middle, with john roberts by himself, being the only one who wanted to preserve roe, but yet uphold this mississippi law, but for the long haul, how could this supreme court not be defined by what happened in dobbs? that's why, you know, i've termed it, defining case of his generation for sure. i really can't imagine anything bigger. it is just that there is so much more that is affecting americans and he's right there with the

conservative super majority moving ahead. >> so where does that leave his legacy? his intention was to, if you're going to move big precedents like this, that you do so slowly, but also you at the same time, he hoped, preserve the impression of the courts as a nonpolitical body. where does that leave his legacy? >> that's exactly the point that john roberts has been pushing since day one, when he was appointed by president george w. bush in 2005. he has always argued that the courts are not partisan, they're not political, and he's tried to say, you know, we are neutral decisionmakers, we're not politicians in robes. but you have a decision like this, jim and poppy, and how can it not be perceived as being political. in part because donald trump vowed to appoint only justices who would overturn roe and the five very hard right republican appointees are the five who are in the majority, who would not budge in the end, despite the pressure from a usually very

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2024." >> this withdrawal would be a major blow to the iss, which has served as a model for international cooperation for decades. this comes as the war in ukraine has deeply strained russia's relations with the u.s. and europe. russia's invasion of ukraine we're talking about here. >> in ukraine, efforts begin tomorrow to try to export vital grain from the country, the joint coordination center for ukraine will oversee a system of maritime caravans transporting the grain, jim, obviously made much more difficult in recent days. >> to be clear, russia signed a deal committing itself to the safe passage of grain through the ukrainian port of odesa. but since signing the deal, it's hit odesa multiple times, including just this morning. so how are economic sanctions affecting russia? are they truly hurting it? are they truly cutting it off from the international economy?

let's bring in our guest from yale university. jeffrey, good to have you on. >> a delight to join you. >> early on as the sanctions were imposed, the discussion was, this is the end for russia's economy. it's going to hurt at every level, the top level and the russian people. then recently, some have said you look at the ruble and other things, maybe it's not really working. you wrote a piece where you ticked through each of these points one by one. i want to begin with the idea that, well, russia is not selling its gas and oil or less so to europe than it did in the past. it will sell it all to asia and everything will be fine. what is your response to that? >> so glad you seized that one. that one has gotten a great deal of attention. that's the one that some self-professed media experts, energy experts in the media have gotten wrong. authentic energy experts have

been trying to point this out and we gave them a mouthpiece for this and did some investigations on this. that's absolutely right, it's absolutely nonsense to think that gas is fungible, that they can redirect it to, say, india or russia. there's only one small, creaky pipeline that goes into china from russia. it's a tiny fraction of what they put out. about 16.5 cuber meters, where they're putting out about 7.5ic into new york. it's not going to be offsetting. it's -- part of it, is it's not liquefied gas, it has to go through the pipelines and they aren't there. >> in your piece, you say look, it's just a myth that putin is

running a budget surplus thanks to the high energy prices. >> the finances is another area that is confusing to people. he's running deficits. unlike other countries that have deaff deficits, there's nobody going to pay this. nobody can invest there, they can't get bailed out, and they have had some reserves. $600 billion in reserves, $300 billion of that is frozen by the best, and hopefully will be redirected as the western countries are i thissing of doing to ukraine to help in the rebuilding of ukraine. so with that 300 billion, that's dwindling that they are drawing down on, and it's giving them a little survival time and massive cutbacks on the quality of life in russia. we're seeing over 500,000 people that are -- even kremlin estimates that are close to a million top professionals that

have left, 500,000 to 700,000 easily demonstrated, massive unemployment. the direct employment of the folks that have pulled out is 12% of the workforce and three times of that are dependant on that, so we can be looking at 40% unemployment there, and 60% plus inflation. >> the former ukrainian president told poppy just jedd t -- yesterday all russian goods have to stop being exported, to really pressure russia, you know, to the degree it needs to be pressured here. i wonder, do you think those additional steps are necessary or what's been done so far to punish the economy is enough over time to force putin that the costs are too high. >> i completely agree with former president poroshenko and his formal rival, current president zelenskyy, that we

should stop importing anything from russia. i, like them, i'm an absolutist. i don't believe there should be pharmaceutical carveouts. there's nothing about clinical trials that couldn't be done in nearby countries with similar biochemical systems and the people being tested, and there's no reason they couldn't be relocated. we have seen the grain deals evaporate before our eyes, just as both of you remember as we saw in syria, and we have seen repeatedly and now on the headlines of the space station where russia is cutting off gas, as they renege on agreements all the time. any kind of a grain deal is a mistake. we should try to protect the navigation of ukrainian grain out. >> yeah. look, it's an interesting point. president poroshenko said yesterday on this show, rule number one, don't trust putin. >> i'm glad you got that out of him. it's so true.

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