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feeling about present conditions, how people are feeling about conditions six months into the future, so short term outlook and how it might impact their purchasing decisions. the headline came in at 95.7. to put that in context, 100 is considered good. we're sort of below that, but what matters more is sort of directionally where the number is going and where it has been. this is the third consecutive month of declines so to put it simply, outlook is worsening. telling me just about 30 minutes ago that what is so stunning in the deterioration of consumer confidence is it's not just inflation. it's also reflecting less robust labor market conditions which is not bad yet, but brings us closer to a recession. >> rahel, today walmart warned that it's not going to make the profit it expected because customers just are not buying as much with higher prices. but walmart does expect more customers in stores. meanwhile, mcdonald's says
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customers have mostly shrugged off the higher menu prices and the revenue has gone up. what's going on there? >> both of those companies, walmart and mcdonald's are facing higher costs as is practically every company right now. the difference however is mcdonald's has been able to pass on some of the higher costs. walmart can't do that as much because their whole brand is centered around being a low-cost retailer. it's having to eat some of the costs and that's why it's warning about profit. but jake, one thing i should flag, we talked about this recently in terms of the retail sales data. wall mmart warning they're speng more of essentials like food and fuel and that's leaving less discretionary income. the reason that matters to a retailer like walmart is their profits are higher on categories like apparel. their profits are lower on essential categories like food and fuel. that's why we're seeing the profit warning. it's yet another data point, yet another sort of warning now from corporate america that americans are shifting where they're spending to essentials and less
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on discretionary items like apparel. we saw it in the retail sales data last month as well when we looked at yearly trends. >> the fed meets tomorrow. they're expected to raise interest rates by three-quarters of a point. are there any signs the rate hikes are working and that inflation is slowing at all? >> well, we are seeing some prices come down, because we have seen some commodity prices come down. we have seen crude prices come down and that has meant lower prices at the pump. that said, don't think the fed would call this a victory just yet. powell has made it clear he and the committee is looking for clear and compelling evidence that inflation is coming down, and i don't think short of seeing a month to month inflation lower, are they going to take their foot off the brake. we're seeing price pressures ease but i don't thin we're close to where the fed would like us to be. >> rahel solomon from new york, thanks so much. >> if you have traveled through an airport lately, chances are you caught a glimpse of how chaotic airbecome. surging ticket prices, endless
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delays, all plaguing travelers. democratic senators elizabeth warren and alex padilla are currently demanding that federal regulators, specifically transportation secretary pete buttigieg, do something about this. cnn's matt egan is live for us in new york. what are the senators asking for? >> well, jake, they want the transportation department to end this travel nightmare by cracking down on the airlines. they're calling for three things. one, imposing hefty fines on airlines when they cancel flights for reasons that are under their own control. two, fine airlines when they intentionally overbook flights, and three, block anti-competitive mergers. now, let me read you a key lean from this letter. they wrote, quote, decades of deregulation and consolidation have created an airline industry that routinely heaps inconvenience and abuse on consumers. and the lawmakers point out this travel chaos is occurring just two years after the airline industry was bailed out by taxpayers during the height of
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covid. we should also point out that not only are delays and cancellations up, but it's getting more expensive to fly. even more expensive than pre-covid. the latest government statistics show it's 22% more expensive to get air fare than it was in june of 2019. this spike in air fares is contributing to the 40-year high of inflation that is casting a shadow over the american economy. >> matt, why exactly are things so rough when it comes to airline travel right now, and is there any end in sight? >> it really has been a mess. yesterday alone, there were more than 1300 flights canceled in the united states. today, another 570 plus. there's been this perfect storm of factors. first, like many industries, airlines have a staffing shortage. including a shortage of pilots. you can't fly the planes without the pilots. and that staffing shortage has left airlines ill equipped to deal with bad weather. at the same time, demand has
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been really strong, as americans start to take vacations again after being cooped up in their homes for nearly two years during covid. the airline travel group, they responded to this letter by saying they're doing everything they can, making all the efforts they can, to keep up with what they described as, quote, an unexpectedly rapid rebound in demand for flights. jake, this is just another example of how supply in today's economy is struggling to keep up with demand, and how consumers are feeling the brunt of it. >> matt egan, thanks so much. joining us live to discuss is democratic senator alex padilla of california. senator, thanks for joining us. you signed on to that letter with your colleague, senator warren. here's a horrifying quote from it. airlines have also increased flight overbookings causing passengers to be involuntarily denied boarding nearly three times as often as the first quarter of 2022 compared to the first quarter of 2018. unions are sounding the alarm that airlines are selling
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tickets for flights they know they will not be able to staff. unquote. that's crazy. how soon do you think this can improve for consumers? >> jake, i hope it's much sooner rather than later. as we were talking about what is within an airline's control. the weather isn't. we had a lot of flight delays yesterday, especially on the eastern seaboard because of weather. but if they're claiming that staffing shortages is a reason for these disruptions, delays, cancellations, why offer the flights to begin with and with consumers thinking they'll be able to do business travel or take that vacation they have been waiting for years for. that's a perfect example of the type of behavior we're trying to address. >> so i asked secretary buttigieg about this on "state of the union" on sunday, and he said that things have improved a lot since memorial day weekend, when it got really ugly. take a listen. >> you look at cancellation rates for the last couple of travel weekends. they have been around 1.5%,
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which is getting closer to normal. it's never going to be zero with weather and things like that, but it should never be as high as it was during the memorial day travel weekend. we're going to continue to push them and prepare to work collaboratively whenever there's a chance to smooth out operations in our national air space. >> are you satisfied with that answer? >> look, i think all the more reason to keep the pressure on. you look at the memorial day travel numbers, you can look at the fourth of july travel numbers. we have labor day coming up soon. this is still summer, the peak season for vacation travelers before kids go back to school, including my own. and so we have to keep the pressure on, if the numbers are coming down, we have to keep them moving, but just to level set here, jake, 122,000 flights canceled year to date. that's more than all of 2021 combined. so again, we have to keep the pressure on.
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>> so just yes or no, is the biden administration being tough enough on the airlines? >> i think they're taking action, which is good, and it's our job to remind them of other tools in their toolbox, including these fines. i don't think compensation for travelers that are bumped from their flights when flights are canceled should be negotiated on a case by case basis, who is first to the customer service gate or who is first to call the 1-800 number. air passengers have rights and that should be automatic when they're inconvenienced like that. >> i'm going to thag that as a no. as we just reported, a new data point shows consumer confidence falling for the third month in a row. there are steps that president biden could take today to lower prices. such as getting rid of the trump tariffs on china, but the president refuses to take these actions. why not? >> well, we're going to keep pressing the white house to do what they can. we need to focus in congress to do what we can. that's why i think we're on the verge of finally allows medicare to negotiate prescription drug
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prices, to bring those health care costs for working families across the country. good news we covered a few minutes ago, gas prices seem to be on the way down. but let's revisit child care costs and other significant costs that working families are having to deal with. we're debating inflation, the impacts. all i know is paychecks aren't going as far as they used to, and i say that not just as a senator, i say that as a father and husband. >> speaking of things, the dollar not being, you know, the inability of individuals to stretch their dollars, the fed is going to meet tomorrow and will likely raise interest rates again. we learned today that overall home prices are up nearly 20% nationwide from just one year ago. you know this because housing prices in california are among the nation's highest. your constituents need bold action on all of these issues. at what point do democratic office holders start publicly
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demanding more from president biden and his administration? >> look, we're always going to be pressing the administration. we also need to ask more of the voters. let's keep this in mind when we go vote in november. democrats have a plan to bring down prescription drug prices. we know that we can do a whole lot by taxing the most wealthy and multinational corporations and reinvisting in our own economy, in our own work force, including manufacturing. we're on the verge of passing that semi-conductor competition bill here in congress. we have plans on reducing child care, plans on reducing cost of housing, and if republicans aren't going to play ball with us and do what's right for working families. let's keep that in mind when we vote in november. >> we have seen these record-breaking temperatures around the country which are a real threat to workers exposed to this heat. you're pushing osha to pass new protections for workers. it could take years for that agency to craft new rules. i'm not sure if we have the
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film, the video of you working in the field, but i know you did that recently. there it is, a picture of you. i think you're picking parsley in this, along with united farm workers of america. what pressure are you putting on osha to craft new rules and to do so quickly? >> we're pressing osha to move as quickly as they can in advancing legislation to not give them a choice in moving faster. look, i'm proud to come from california. we have adopted heat standards for workers, whether it's in agricu agriculture, whether it's in construction, whether it's truck drivers or warehouse workers who are exposed to extreme heat. nearly 400 workers have lost their lives in the last decade because of extreme heat. it's long overdue to have a federal standard to save lives because guess what, you are been covering the news. the heat waves not just in the united states but throughout europe and beyond, our planet is only getting hotters which means workers exposed to that extreme heat, that's going to increase.
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>> which you experienced first-hand, i see. democratic senator alex padilla, thank you. >> coming up next, donald trump's big return to washington. his message as he toys with launching another bid for the white house. >> as his former vice president mike pence makes a pitch of his own. >> first, under water. record breaking rainfall floods parts of the midwest. the emergency situation as fire rages further west. stay with us. health and wellness, only the sleep number 360 smart bed d keeps you cool, then sens and effortlessly adjusts for your best sleep. tells you exactly y how well you slept. your sleepiq score. our smart sleepepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. so, you can be your best for yourself and those you care about most. and now, save $500 on the sleep number 360 c4 smart bed, queen now only $1,299. lowest price ever! only for a limited time.
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in our earth matters series, the latest sign of the serious impact of the climate crisis. record rainfall caused deadly and widespread flash flooding in and around st. louis, missouri, today. more than eight inches of rain quickly inundated highways and roads. prompting rescue operations for those stranded in their cars and homes. one person died in their submerged vehicle. an outdoor metro station looked moke liar a river with the platform and tracks under water. on average, rainfall such as this in the st. louis area only happens every once in 500 years. scientists say the atmosphere can hold more moisture as temperatures rise, which leads to more rainfall. meanwhile, some good news in california. fire crews are making progress on containing the oak fire near yosemite national park. so far, that fire has burned
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more than 18,000 acres and dest destroyed at least 41 structures since it ignited on friday. let's bring in adrienne broaddus who is near the fire. what are the fire crews saying about the progress so far? >> well, jake, the crews have contained at least 26% of the oak fire. and cal fire officials who spoke with us say they are lucky. that's in part because there are no other major fires burning right now across the state of california. allowing them to dedicate numerous resources to the oak fire. this portion of mariposa county is known for its beauty, but you can see clearly a big portion of this county has burned. a shell of a vehicle here at what was once a home. if you look over, you will see all that's left of the home, pretty much rubble. still standing, grilling equipment. and nearby in the front of the former house, you see some
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smoldering taking place here. but despite what you see right now, officials tell us they have made some progress. as i was driving to our live shot, i saw crews cutting down trees, and i asked why they were performing that action. i was told they're cutting down those trees that already burned to prevent them from falling on the road. so some progress has been made, jake, but there's still some work to do. >> how are crews navigating the steep terrain and the dry conditions there? >> you know, they're fighting this fire from above, at least 24 helicopters are dumping water on the burning areas, and i'm told the weather, the dryness of it, and the topography have really fueled the oak fire. listen in. >> california is huge. the footprint out here, the acreage of available fuels to burn when a fire gets going along with the available topography, the canyons, the drainages, the wind that flows
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through these areas, can make the fire behavior erratic and it can explode literally explode that fire and the speed and the ferociousness of that fire at times can be intense. >> so again, jake, at least 18,000 acres have been burned. and fire crews are still working from this county and beyond. back to you, jake. >> all right, adrienne broaddus, thanks so much. >> up next, what federal authorities told us about prison cells infested with contraband and hear what is being done and not being done. stay w with us.
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topping our politics lead, law licenses could be on the line for two more georgia fake electors. today, the atlanta journal constitution reports the state bar of georgia is investigating two republican lawyers as part of a separate legal avenue to hold fake electors accountable for their actions after the 2020 election. and it comes as fulton county district attorney fani willis hits road blocks in her investigation. a judge ruled that she cannot bring a case against a key fake elector because she held a fund-raiser for one of his opponents. let's bring in democratic senator jon ossoff of georgia. what's your reaction to these investigations into fake electors in your state and the judge for fulton county saying the optics for willis' campaign contributions are, quote, horrific. what do you think? >> it's the role of federal,
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state, and local prosecutors to enforce the law. and where they have criminal information, evidence that laws have been broken, no one is above the law, so the actions of the justice department, the actions of local prosecutors, that's for those prosecutors to decide. the key principle in our system of government is that the rule of law applies to all of us. >> speaking of justice in america, today you led a hearing on the inhumane conditions at atlanta's federal penitentiary. we previewed this hearing last week with you. let's listen to a former jail administrator at that prison. >> it was so many rats inside the facility dining hall and food preparation areas that staff intentionally left doors open so the many stray cats that hung around the prison could catch the rats. it is never a good idea to leave prison doors open. >> we also heard about a lack of suicide prevention efforts, overcrowded facilities, free
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flowing drugs, cell phones, contraband behind bars. you were threatening the head of federal prisons with a subpoena to testify. tell us what happened today. >> well, i have led a ten-month bipartisan investigation of corruption, abuse, and misconduct at u.s. penitentiary, the major federal prison in metro atlanta. the results of that investigation based upon review of tens of thousands of internal government documents, interviews with dozens of winces including bureau of prisons s whistleblows are shocking. our investigation has revealed for at least nine years gross misconduct, serious negligence, life threatening failures were ongoing at this major federal prison. we're talking about staff corruption, the virtually free flow of narcotics and weapons within and in and out of this facility. we're talking about serious human rights and civil rights abuses. pretrial presumptively innocent
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det detainees, 24 hours a day in cells without access to hygiene, basic health services, without effective access to counsel, a pretrial detainee on suicide watch being forced to lay in paper clothes with a paper blanket and no access to mental health services. long-term systemic failures by the bureau of prisons to insure the rule of law, orderly conduct, policies and procedures are followed and human rights are protected in our federal prisons. it's a disgrace to the u.s. government that these conditions persist in federal prisons. as for the director, we had asked on a bipartisan basis for his voluntary testimony. the department of justice had declined. we issued a bipartisan subpoena to compel his testimony, ultimately reached an agreement with the department of justice when he arrived this morning, the subpoena was withdrawn. >> as you know, we heard testimony about this abuse extended to pretrial detainees which means these are people who
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haven't even been convicted yet. often they can't make bail. and they're put in these depraved conditions sometimes without access to their lawyers. there are probably viewers out there who think, you know what, these are prisoners. they probably did wrong to begin with. why should i care about this? what do you tell them? >> first of all, no human being whether or not they have been convicted of a crime, should be subjected to civil rights abuses, degrading and unconstitutional treatment. when we talk about pretrial presumptively innocent detainees, these are folks who have been convicted of no crime, who are awaiting trial, who need access to counsel for their sixth amendment right to counsel to be up hp held, and they're being subjected to these conditions. the conditions in this facility posed a threat to health and safety, not just of inmates and staff but also of the broader community. the bureau of prisons' own internal assessments found this
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facility, the corruption, abuse, and misconduct, were a security threat and a public safety threat to the entire southeast region of the united states. what we heard today from a director of the bureau of prisons is that they were in my opinion willfully ignorant, looking the other way, apparently ubunaware of what had been happening for years and years despite consistent internal reporting and information they had access to that these misconduct, these forms of corruption, these forms of abuse were happening right under their noses. >> what now? are you going to take this investigation to other prisons? i mean, obviously, the problems are, as i don't need to tell you, the problems are far beyond this one prison in metro atlanta. >> well, i can't comment on specific new lines of inquiry that my subcommittee is undertaking. those are confidential, but i'll say this. one of the things that motivated me to run for office is a recognition that congressional oversight of the executive branch has withered, has become
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weak. there is not enough robust congressional inquiry of misconduct in the federal government. chairing this investigation subcommittee, i will continue to pursue the truth. i will continue to pursue misconduct, abuse, and corruption within the federal government as i said i would as a candidate, as i am now as a senator. >> democratic senator jon ossoff of georgia, thank you so much. >> back in the swamp. donald trump and mike pence return to washington. hear how they delivered a tale of two republican parties. that's next. ne! (nurse) wait... did you say verizon for just $30? (m(mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it''s from the most reliable 5g network in america. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now! (mom) yeah, it's easy and you get $960 when you switch the whole family. (geek) wow... i've got to let my buddies know. (geek friend) we're already here! (vo) the network you want. the price you love. only from verizon.
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in our politics lead, dueling speeches. former president donald trump and former vice president mike pence both spoke in washington, d.c. today. pence told supporters not to, quote, focus on the past. while trump was focused on the past. slamming the january 6th committee and calling them, quote, thugs. cnn's kristen holmes breaks down the conflicting messages from the two former leaders of the gop. >> former president donald trump back in washington. >> we had made america great again. we had made it great again. >> delivering remarks focused on law enforcement, as his actions on january 6th remain under scrutiny a year and a half removed from the violent attack on the capitol. >> there is no longer respect for the law, and there certainly is no order. our country is now a cesspool of crime. >> speaking at a conservative think tank founded by former trump administration officials,
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trump largely stayed away from his grievances around the 2020 election. >> i ran for president. i won, and a won a second time, did much better the second time. >> blocks away, former vice president mike pence outlining his own vision for the republican party. at a gathering of young conservatives. >> now, some people may choose to focus on the past. but elections are about the future. and i believe conservatives must focus on the future to win back america. >> do you think -- >> after his remarks, the former vice president asked by an audience member about the divide between he and trump. >> i will tell you that i couldn't be more proud of the record of the trump/pence administration. i don't know that our movement is that divided. i don't know that the president and i differ on issues. but we may differ on focus. i truly do believe that elections are about the future. and that it's absolutely essential at a time when so many
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americans are hurting. >> the dueling speeches between pence and trump just the latest salvo in a public split between the two gop leaders. as both men lay the groundwork for presidential runs in 2024. >> i'm here before you to begin to talk about what we must do to achieve that future. when we win a triumphant victory in 2022 and when a republican president takes back the white house in 2024, which i strongly believe will happen. >> they are engaged in a proxy battle in the arizona primary next month after squaring off in the georgia republican primary for governor this spring. >> i think the time has come for us to offer a bold, positive agenda to bring america back. and i'll continue to carry that message all across this nation. >> for his part, pence has been deliberate in seeking out opportunities to distance himself from trump. as the house select committee investigating the events of january 6th sheds more light on
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trump's failure to act that day. and the danger pence faced amid the attack. and while president trump did notably spend a lot of time talking about law enforcement, praising law enforcement, he didn't mention any of the officers who were serving on capitol hill that day, including those who were injured or killed. however, he did take time to attack the committee, as you noted, calling them political hacks and thugs, and saying that they wanted to damage him so that he couldn't work for his supporters, jake. >> kristen holmes, thanks so much. let's discuss all of the events of today, and paul, i do want to start with lester holt's interview with attorney general merrick garland. take a listen to what garland told holt when asked if he is worried an indictment of donald trump could rip the country apart. >> we intend to hold everyone, anyone, who is criminally responsible for the events surrounding january 6th, for any
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attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another, accountable. >> so if donald trump were to become a candidate for president again, that would not change your schedule or how you move forward or don't move forward? >> i'll say again that we will hold accountable anyone who is criminally responsible for attempting to interfere with the transfer, legitimate, lawful transfer of power from one administration to the next. >> the key word in there is criminally responsible. because it's obvious that donald trump was morally responsible for the events surrounding january 6th and the attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power, but criminally. do you think attorney general garland at the end of the day will find donald trump criminally responsible or be willing to? >> this is why he's a lawyer's lawyer. that answer, he said everything and nothing. right? actually, and i'm sure lester is a very good journalist, and i think he probably asked this, i hope he did. haven't seen the interview. what about the mueller report?
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i understand 1/6 takes a while, a long investigation, they're working through it. there's a grand jury. okay, i respect that. the mueller report came out three years and three months ago. and mr. mueller notes ten different instances where donald trump may have committed obstruction of justice. there's no new information, no new investigation. he's been sitting on that since the day he walked in the door. >> and mueller testified that donald trump once he left office could be found -- >> absolutely. donald trump is no longer president, it's been in all the papers. attorney general garland knows that. i want to know, if trump is innocent, the justice department should say that. they should. if he's not, they should prosecutor him. >> i want to get your reaction to something we just got, the january 6th committee just released testimony from chris miller where they ask hid about then chief of staff mark meadows statements that trump had ordered 10,000 troops to be ready before january 6th. take a listen to part of secretary miller's answer. >> to be crystal clear, there
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was no direct order from president trump to put 10,000 troops to be on the ready for january 6th, correct? >> no. yeah, that's correct. there was no order from the president. >> no order from the president. we should note, mark meadows said something different, but he said it not under oath on fox. secretary miller was under oath. >> i think it's further evidence to the fact the former president chose to do nothing on january 6th. he in fact, that's what this whole hearing is about. these hearings are about, what level of culpability he has had and what we learned is this is a conspiracy. this wasn't some one-off event or random event. there may be people who were swept up in it on that day, but this is further proof that he did nothing to prevent this or stop this. there was a complete dereliction of duty and that's the harsh reality. >> i have heard democrats criticize what president biden said. biden is accusing trump now of not having enough courage to stop what happened on january 6th. but i have heard democrats say,
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not have enough courage? it was the plan. it was the plan to get the mob to go there. >> yeah, i think that's really what we have learned from the january 6th committee. we sort of knew it before they laid it all out for us in detail, but now that we know that he was aware that that mob was armed and that he said to people around him that they were not there to hurt him, right, he knew he would be safe in this armed mob. he sends them down to the capitol anyway, and then the last hearing demonstrated he sat and watched television until it was clear other people had taken care of the mess, the fbi was on the case, and his people were being cleared out of the capitol. so yeah, it's not -- the way that the president framed it wasn't quite right. >> we heard, nia, we heard kristen holmes talking about these dueling speeches in d.c. today. where basically vice president pence says i agree with trump on everything except the fact that he wants to keep talking about the election, and his book, pence has a book coming out this
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fall in which the publisher's notes describe the break that they had and pence standing up for the constitution. and yet, and yet, a new cnn poll shows republicans when asked who to put up for president in 2020, 44% of republicans say trump, 55% say someone else. >> trump is the clear front runner for the nomination in 2024 should he seek it. by all accounts, it's just a matter of timing when he actually announces he wants to run for president again. we saw in 2016, he didn't need the vast majority of people. he just needed to win by a little. in any of these states because it's a winner take all system. if people join the race and run against trump, it's very likely that he could win again. idealogical heart and soul of the republican party is with donald trump. nothing has shaken their, you know, their faith in him, the
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sense that he represents who they are. he would run essentially saying listen, in 2020, you got your birth rite stolen. your country was stolen for you, and i donald trump am here to redeem that and restore your future. that's a very powerful argument for lots of republicans who likely would pull the lever for donald trump again in the primaries. >> and congressman, take a listen, cnn's donie o'sullivan went to a trump rally in arizona and spoke to supporters outside about the january 6th hearings. i want you to listen to what these trump supporters had to say. >> have you guys been watching the january 6th hearings at all? >> no. >> no? >> no, we saw when it all went down and saw a lot of the blm and antifa people in the building as well. and it's just -- it's just nonsense. >> i think 800 people now have been charged, right? none of them are black lives matter or antifa. >> yeah. that doesn't mean anything. >> they're not charging them. they have not been brought into court for their due process
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because they have not been arrested. >> hunter biden hasn't been arrested. >> you have both sides or are you getting one side of the story? >> you mean like the side that attacked the capitol? >> you really believe that happened? >> they're living in an alternative reality. the only thing missing is a tin foil hat and a black helicopter. people believe what they want to believe and they listen to the pormer president, and they believe what they're hearing. that's really the tragedy in this country right now, that people can't agree on facts. >> these dubious sources are donald trump, the republican leader of the house, fox, oann, it's not just like, you know, low frequency a.m. radio anymore. >> they were talking about antifa. i haven't heard many republican leaders say it's antifa anymore. >> they said that initially, right, in the days after. there were republicans saying that. >> kevin mccarthy changed his
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tune around that in the wake of the riots, but can i say big picture, jake, i don't think the people he talked to are the audience for the january 6th hearings. i think that there's knowledge that those people are gone. right? those people, people who attend his rallies, his hard core supporters are always going to believe in donald trump, whatever he and his allies in the conservative media tell them, they're going to believe it. the question is what about republicans who were reluctant voters for donald trump because they didn't feel like they could vote for joe biden. what about the sliver of independent voters? the people who voted for republican congressional candidates in 2020 and also voted for joe biden or didn't vote for president at all. there were more people who voted for republicans than democrats. the more people like that that the january 6th committee can reach, the more impact they're going to have because the way our system works, these margins are so tight, our elections really are in swing states so, so, so close that they don't have to move the needle that much to make a difference. >> i think liz cheney is trying
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to reach both of those people. both of the audiences you're talking about, the people who -- >> maybe trying. >> she is literally talking to them. >> you were misled. >> you have been lied to while they're taking your patriotism for granted. we'll see what happens in terms of them changing their minds, but it will be difficult. >> donie is moving abraham lincoln was right. you really can fool some of the people all of the time. that's on the people who are lying to them. i really do view those people in south dakota that he interviewed as victims not villains because a great many of the republicans in the senate, in the house, in the governor's office, running for other offices, they know better. and they're lying. those folks don't know any better because actually they commit the sin of trusting people who lead them. and i don't think that's a horrible thing. i think the people who are lying to them are doing a horrible thing. >> all i'm trying to say is if the committee doesn't reach the people that attend trump
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rallies, they haven't necessarily failed is the bottom line. >> thanks to one and all. appreciate it. >> houston, do we have a problem? the one place the u.s. and russia were getting along soon to be lost in space with a big announcement from the kremlin. a, that is like a cosmic dungeon. older zoe: you know what, can you? younger zoe: cosmically, no. that's why i only date e musicians. younger zoe: what are you guys eating? older zoe: it's lasagna. younger zoe: (chewing sounds) younger zoe: i love lasagna, that's you guys. so today, let's paint... ...with behr, america's most trusted paint brand, and make your home, yours. behr. exclusively at the home depot. bubbles bubbles bubbles bubbles there are bubbles everywhere! as an expedia member you earn points onop of your airline miles. so you can go see even more of all the wor's bubbles.
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let's bring in cnn's kristin fi fisher. this isn't the first time russia has said it would leave the iss. how significant is this? >> in the past the threats to pull out of the international space station often came from the twitter account of the newly-oefted head of russia's space agency, rose cosmos. not the most official announcement. today very different, made on the kremlin's official website by the man given the job a few days ago by putin himself. today's announcement carries much more weight. with that said, nasa says it still hasn't been formally notified about this decision, something required of all the partners at the international space station. it remains to be seen if this time russia is serious. regardless, today's announcement certainly caught the nasa
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astronauts at the international space station by surprise. >> that is very recent news. we haven't heard anything officially. of course, you know, we were trained to do a mission up here, and that mission is one that requires the whole crew. so we continue to work every day to conduct the science and research that we've been trained to conduct. >> reporter: so the work continues, and the state department said it, too, was surprised by today's announcement. jake, regardless of whether or not russia zoo serious, the white house is now saying that nasa is actively preparing contingency plans and planning for a future on the international space station without russia. they want to keep the space station going until 2030 if at all possible. that, of course, would be very difficult if russia does indeed decide to pull out by 2024.
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>> kristin fisher, thank you so much, appreciate it. ♪ ♪ perhaps the king himself didn't need the money, but his famous home and tourist attraction graceland in memphis, well, they sure might like some. a set of complicated tennessee state-issued bonds tied to tourist revenue have gone into default. the bonds were offered five years ago, proceeds used to fund a massive expansion at graceland. now 20% of the tourism bonds are in junk status. however, the financial challenges might prove temporary. attendance has been boosted by the new film "elvis" out in theater and the city will celebrate elvis week next month. you could say the public can't help falling in love with graceland. attorney general merrick
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happening now, former president trump sets the stage for his expected 2024 presidential campaign returning here to washington to rally his base with familiar attacks on the january 6th select committee and false claims about the last presidential election. also tonight, the u.s. justice department's insurrection investigation zeros in on the trump white house with new testimony by two former aides to vice president pence as the attorney general is leaving the door open right now to criminal charges against trump. and wnba star brittney griner plans to take the stand in her own defense at her drug trial in russia after an expert testifies that the cannabis oil found in her luggage was