top of a brand-new hour on "cnn newsroom." i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm alisyn camerota. the house committee investigating the january 6th attack is questioning donald trump's former cabinet members. sources tell cnn the committee has a particular interest in conversations that trump officials may have had about re removing him from office in the aftermath of the capitol siege. a source says the committee is speaking with former chief of staff nick mulvaney this afternoon. >> it's possible they could speak with mike pompeo as soon as next week. pompeo talked about his interaction with the committee this morning on fox. >> we've had discussions with them about potentially appearing before them, trying to make sure we understand what it is they're asking for. as i always did when i was in service to america, i'm happy to cooperate with things that are fair and transparent and deliver

good outcomes for the american people. i'll always do that. >> today you're a no. >> you mean i'm testifying? >> yes. >> we're trying to figure it out. i want the american people to have the full story of things that happened in the trump administration. >> let's go to melanie zanona. melanie, who else is the committee speaking with or trying to speak with? >> reporter: it is a growing rift. you are right the committee has begun to focus on trump's cabinet and conversations about potentially invoking the 25th amendment to remove him from office. my colleagues reported today the committee has interviewed treasury secretary steve mnuchin. we also know that the committee is in talks to interview former secretary of state mike pompeo as well as john ratcliffe. i'm told mulvaney is talking to the committee today, former acting chief of staff who served as the special envoy to northern

ireland, a position he later resigned in the immediate wake of gymnajanuary 6th. what the committee is trying to understand is how serious those conversations about the 25th amendment were and what was the reasoning for some of these high ranking officials to even bring it up. this would have been an unprecedented step. it would have required agreement from vice president mike pence as well as a majority of the cabinet members. but mark short, pence's former chief of staff says those conversations weren't that serious inside the white house. take a listen. >> that wasn't happening in ten days in the administration. so regardless of your feelings about january 6th, the reality is this was a political ploy by nancy pelosi and democrats in congress to try to put pressure to exert this, and it was never going anywhere in our white house. >> reporter: now, the committee has already spoken to a number of other cabinet officials including jack rosen and chris miller, and they've also heard testimony from other witnesses who have talked about the 25th amendment conversations, but we should point out that this is one of just many issues that the

committee is hoping to explore over the august recess as they prepare for potentially more hearings in september. >> melanie zanona, thank you. to the criminal investigation into the january 6th attack. a new court filing shows that prosecutors have now obtained a search warrant to access the cell phone of john eastman. >> he is the right-wing lawyer who kept pushing the idea that donald trump's 2020 election loss could be overturned despite multiple white house lawyers telling trump he should accept his defeat. what more are you learning about what these federal investigators are looking for? >> this is another development in that criminal probe that's being run by the justice department out of the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. we all remember that video from june when john eastman was approached by the feds, patted down, his cell phone taken. the way that the justice department set this up is that they needed to go back to court once they got that cell phone and ask for another search warrant.

they did get that approval and they just revealed that yesterday. the approval they got to access that cell phone came july 12th. that allowed them to start pulling data off of that. it will go through what they call a filter team, so lawyers that look at it to make sure if there is attorney/client privilege material, other things that should be private, that that doesn't get into the hands of investigators. what this all means is this investigation is moving fast, that they are looking at material that has been obtained from john eastman in this criminal probe, and also, you know, we were looking at john eastman as a person taking part in this elector's idea and some of the efforts to pressure mike pence. but one thing we're learning by the day now is that there are more and more pieces of this investigation where investigator rsz taking steps to get very close to donald trump, both his circle and in the white house. we know that there are other people cooperating in the white house already, and we're watching for more every day. back to you.

>> katelyn polantz with the update from washington, thank you very much. joining us to discuss all this, we have jennifer rogers, a cnn legal analyst, and former federal prosecutor. great to see you. so, let's talk about the committee's interest in the 25th amendment. we heard details about these discussions that were happening because of january 6th among cabinet officials. we had heard that in cassidy hutchinson's testimony to the committee. let me remind everybody what she told them. >> mr. pompeo reached out to have the conversation in case he hadn't heard the discussions amongst the cabinet secretaries, and from what i understand it was more of a this is what i'm hearing, i want you to be aware of it, but i also think it's worth putting on your radar. >> jennifer, why is this important to the committee? >> well, i think a couple of

reasons, allison. when you're putting together a case, you want to prove the target's state of mind. so the 25th amendment stuff is not so interesting as far as the machinations behind who might be for it or against, you who the cabinet members are meeting, but in terms of what they're saying to one another why they might support the 25th amendment, what they saw president trump do and heard him say in the days leading up to and on january 6th, these are people with really close access to the president, his own cabinet he chose and put there. what they might have to say about what caused them to think about this in the first place i think is important to the committee as it tries to make its case to the american people and maybe for a criminal referral. then there's the issue of the notion that your own cabinet was talking about removing you with mere days left in the term. that is so damning. so, in terms of their trying to make the historical record, convince the american people about how awful this abuse of power was, i think they're

looking for proof of that in what these cabinet members might have to say. >> there are some areas of overlap between the january 6th committee and the doj investigation. is this one of them? would there be any interest in the doj about the cabinet members' discussion of invoking the 25th? >> well, as i was saying, i think only in the sense that they can talk about what they saw and heard from the president, because that's actual evidence. if they heard the president say things, saw him do things, that is evidence that you can put into a courtroom. so, to that extent, doj will be interested. they won't be interested in the kind of politics behind can we remove him, should he be removed, that sort of thing. but certainly, anytime you have these very, very close to the president cabinet members who have face time with him or speaking to him things he said and did, they want to hear that. >> talk about the doj's focus. is it your impression that one of the things they're trying to figure out is the nexus between

the trump white house or trump advisers and the violent extremists that showed up like the proud boys and the oath keepers? and is the seizing of john eastman's phone records tied to that, do you think, or something different? >> it's hard to say. i think one of the gaps left in what we've seen from the committee so far has been these links, the potential connections between the white house and the campaign and the violent extremists. i don't know that john eastman was really in that piece of the conspiracy. it seems to me that folks like roger stone, meg flynn maybe were more of the links. i think john eastman was more involved in having the fake e lk or the slates come in, pressuring state legislatures, that side of things, but of course we won't know until we hear about the fruits of this information that doj is starting to collect. >> our capitol hill team just

learned from chairman vinny thompson that the committee will release a report on the national guard as early as august, and more on doj and the secret service. we've learned that of course the former president has said that he called tens of thousands of guards members to go to the capitol. we heard from the former acting defense secretary that he never received that call. fit that piece into the larger picture that we will learn next month, more about that element of the investigation. >> well, it really goes to the subject of the last hearing, which is what was the president doing, what was he not doing on january 6th as violent extremists were overrunning the capitol. he was sitting on his hands. we already knew things like mark meadows was telling defense folks we need to make it look like the president is doing something when he wasn't. this goes to the dereliction of duty point the committee is trying to make. as far as doj is concerned, it really just shows what he was

after. he didn't stop them going into the capitol even when they were already in there. he didn't stop the violence because he wanted it to happen because he thought it could actually stop the electoral college count. that's the case doj will use if they bring a case. >> thank you. this just in to cnn, the house has passed a bill to boost u.s. semiconductor production. this legislation will now head to president biden's desk. >> it aims to address the global chip shortage and increase american competitiveness in the field. let's go to manu raju on capitol hill. some last-minute resistance from republicans in the house, but it's passed now. >> reporter: yeah. there were some republicans who defied their party leaders, trying to -- who tried to scuttle this bill after a separate measure, a deal cut on the senate side of the capitol, this economic package for health care, taxes, energy, that joe manchin and schumer dealt. the republican leaders on the house side said we'll try to

stop this chips bill from moving forward. they looned on their members, tried to get them to vote against it, but that was not enough to stop this bill. two dozen house republicans broke ranks and this bill pass affidavit they joined all democrats. the final vote 243-107. one voting present. so now this bill, provide about $280 billion in total in scientific research to reposition the u.s. versus china as well as more than $50 billion to boost semiconductor chips that are in short supply right now. this bill has been long in the making. they've been negotiating this for more than a year. now it goes to joe biden's desk and he'll be signing this into law. this is all part of a last-ditch effort and legislating before congress heads home for its summer break. in addition to this, i mentioned that larger bill that is now being discussed dealing with drug prices, health care subsidy, energy, and taxes. that is still being dealt with in the senate side of the

capitol, but democrats hope they can pass in the senate next week and potentially august as they head home to campaign for the midterm elections. >> manu raju, thank you very much. the gdp shrank for the second quarter in a row, further fueling recession fears. but the white house is pointing to the strength of the labor market as a reason to explain we are not in a recession. >> our economy created more than 1 million jobs in the 12k. our unemployment rate is 3.6%, near a record historic low. there's no doubt we expect growth to be slower than last year with the rapid clip we had. but that's consistent with the transition to a stable, steady growth and lower inflation. >> austan goolsbee joins us, the former chairman of the white house council and economic advisers under president obama. good to have you back.

we've heard from all the relevant members of the administration today explaining that the u.s. is not in a recession, so they made it clear what we're not and what is the state of the economy, then, at this moment with two quarters of negative growth? >> yeah. it's kind of up and down. the president's not wrong that it's the strongest part of the economy absolutely is the job market in this april-may-june period. we were putting out 400,000 jobs a mop. that's ooh breathtakingly strong number. at the same time, growth definitely slowed, and inflation is high. i think this comes on the heels of the fed once again raising the interest rate quite significantly like the quite significant increase last month. everybody should just have their antenna up to the danger that the most frequent cause of recessions in the united states since world war ii by far is the fed raising interest rates

faster than the economy can handle. so we're definitely not out of the woods regardless of what the argument is about last quarter. >> so, half-point increase, three-quarters, another three-quarter point increase. do you think a recession after what was decided by the fed yesterday is even more probable than it was earlier in the week? >> probably? i mean, in a way, this was known. everyone expected they were going to raise the rates this much, so earlier in the week it might not have changed those odds. but that they raised three-quarters of a percent at the last meeting is already dramatic. then to raise three-quarters of a percent at the next meeting, we're going at a clip that's really been decades since we've seen rates going up this fast. and when you're raising rates that fast, you're a little bit not in control. you know, the fed has seen the inflation, trying to stop the

inflation from becoming permanent and is applying the brake really hard. and you may overcorrect in a situation like that. >> so, then, of course the strength of the job market is the argument that we're hearing from you and everyone else who says this is not a recession. that's the centerpiece of that argument. how long can the job market stay this strong? fed chair jerome powell said it's going to be difficult to do that, to get to the soft landing and that path is narrow. what do you expect over the next couple quarters? >> partly we don't know. it depends on whether the nonenergy and the nonfood, what the fed calls core inflation, if that inflation starts to ease over the coming months, people would be breathing a lot more of a sigh of relief and the fed would probably getting a little more confident they can pull off a soft landing, which is to say reduce inflation without generating a recession.

that said, the normal measure of what is a recession, it's usually not hard to figure out, at least in retrospect, whether it's recession because it's a broad-based downturn. so far, we don't have a broad-based downturn. we have some things that are going up and some things that are going down, and i think that mostly reflects what a weird moment this has been from covid, the recession of 2020 wasn't two quarters long. it lasted only two months, and that was also extremely weird. so might be it's not surprising that this is weird on the other side. >> all right. austan goolsbee, i thi agrees t economic moment. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i like that, extreme weirdness. we can all agree. >> technical term. in a more than two-hour call with the white house, china says presidents xi warned president biden about taiwan saying, if you play with fire, you get

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a high-stakes phone call between president biden and chinese president xi jinping lasted more than two hours this morning. u.s. relations with china have hit a low point and a potential trip to taiwan by house speaker nancy pelosi is dialing up that tension. >> beijing has long claimed taiwan as part of its territory and warned a pelosi visit would be met with resident luts and forceful measures. now president biden and his administration are working to ward off conflict. cnn's diane jeremy diamond is a white house. what do we know about the call? >> reporter: this was the first

call between the two leaders in about four months. it went on for over two hours. a number of issues to cover. front of mind of course is the rising tensions in the region over the status and issue of taiwan. the chinese readout following this call very forceful indicating that xi jinping delivered a stern warning to president biden about any u.s. meddling or provocation, warning, if you play with fire, you get burned, saying i hope the u.s. side can see this clearly urging the u.s. to abide by the one china principle. we know from the u.s. side we've gotten much less information. the white house only saying that president biden, quote, underscored that the u.s. policy hasn't changed and saying that the u.s. strongly opposing any unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and stablgility across the taiw

state. nancy pelosi is set to make a visit to taiwan, becoming the highest ranking u.s. official to visit taiwan in a quarter of a century since newt igingrich wet in the '90s. the white house has warned her about security concerns for the visit and president biden has talked about the fact that the u.s. military wasn't too thrilled about this idea. but nonetheless, preparations being made for that potential and this critical call today to reduce the tensions. >> let's talk about which with gordon chang, author of "the coming collapse of china." thanks for being here. is it correct to say you did not think this call today would be a good idea? >> yeah. i thought this call should be delayed. i think the united states needs to lay the groundswork for it, and by that i mean imposing costs on china, giving xi jinping incentive to deal with us in good faith.

this is the fifth phone call during the biden administration. during this time events have continued to deteriorate, chinese relation have become tenser and beijing has become more provocative. obviously we're not doing the right things to move china in a better direction. >> gordon, president xi is talking like he's in "die hard 6." if you play with fire, you get burned. i mean, how is the u.s. supposed to interpret that and this promise of resolute and forceful measures if the speaker travels to taiwan? >> those words are ominous. i think it's more than bluster. but we have to remember this tension and this anger in beijing is not about speaker pelosi. it is not about taiwan, because within this month, for instance, you have had chinese soldiers deep in indian-controlled territory, the chinese provocations around where the state department had to warn

about the use of force against china if beijing were to continue its provocative actions in the china sea. and china has been trying to take away the senekaku islands n the east china sea with its military maneuvers in japanese territorial water. this is a china that wants to lash out. it has nothing to do with taiwan and speaker pelosi. that's an excuse. >> should speaker pelosi go to taiwan given all of this? >> i think that she should. we are in a position where there are no safe options, and if she were not to go, we would embolden and legitimize the worst elements in beijing showing intimidation worked, which means there would be a crisis in the not-too-distant future, probably would be a bigger crisis. beijing believes the u.s. is in terminal decline. i don't think they're right, but the point is what they think is important and that's extremely dangerous. president biden has the

unenviable task of re-establishing deterrence. >> how much does the u.s.' reaction or lack thereof after the coupling of china and russia after the invasion into ukraine play into the bluster, the aggressiveness that we're seeing from beijing? >> i think it has a lot to do with it, victor, because the united states, with its partners, 27 nations of the european union and great britain, failed to deter russia. we're far stronger, especially as a coalition and group, than russia, and yet president biden and western leaders were not able to stop putin. i think the chinese saw that and felt that there was a failure of western diplomacy, and that's why they've become more provocative after the invasion of ukraine. >> all right. gordon chang, always good to have your insight and perspective. thank you. >> thank you. despite the monomoneypox

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a new cnn poll found the majority of democratic voters want someone other than

president biden to run in the election. but who would that be? and what would it take for president biden to regain the support of his voters? we talked with a group of biden voters from across the country to find out. here is part two of our "pulse of the people." show of hands. for 2024 presidential election, how many of you wish there was another democratic alternative in addition to joe biden? so, one, two, three, four, five, six. how many of you say that because you're concerned about his age? >> whether he was 80 or 50 or 35, my opinion wouldn't change. it's all in the ability and the way he's handling the presidency currently. >> yeah. i agree that i saw joe as a one-term transitional figure, and i'm hopeful that the democrats can field another nominee who is even stronger than joe. >> the career politician aspect

of his persona has hindered him from being able to make some of the real progress, not using his bully pulpit the way he could, not being forceful enough to really get things done that we critzally need to get done. and so, yes, i enthusiastically supported him as a one-term president. >> who would you like to see run on the democratic side in the primary if not joe biden? >> definitely pete buttigieg. he was my choice in the primary. i would love to see a buttigieg/harris ticket. >> mark kelly. he's an astronaut. he's been in the military. he's married to gabby giffords. they can speak very well to the gun regulation issue. he lives on the board per. >> definitely pete buttigieg is up there. both my parents were in the navy

so it's incredibly important to have served in the military. but being a georgia voter, i think stacey abrams has the fire. >> i think she should drop her hat in the arena. it's a little early, but my two tops would be pete and stacy. >> number one is pete buttigieg. i supported him in the past, and i think he has the diplomacy, the assert sieveness, the policy, the ability to reach across the aisle and ultimately can get the respect. >> how many of you would like to see kamala harris do it? why isn't she the first name? >> i'm just sort of disappointed in her. i haven't really seen her do much. she's a brilliant leader and brilliant woman. she should be in a better position than what she's in, and unfortunately, she just hasn't been given that opportunity to do so. >> i just also want to point out the people you say you'd like to see run for president did run

for president and joe biden beat them. i mean, joe biden beat pete butt buttigieg. he beat kamala harris. >> it was a different time. >> was it? >> i feel those people didn't have the same steam joe biden had going into the 2020 election. i think democrats were looking for the most reliable candidate to beat donald trump so it was a kwhits male who was the vice president and a lot of experience in the senate that the democrats are familiar with and comfortable voting for, so that's what we did. now i feel like we're at a time where we can look for a little bit more. >> how many of you believe donald trump will run again in the next presidential race? >> i wouldn't be surprised. >> if he's healthy, if donald trump is still healthy and not in prison, he will run i guess for re-election in 2024. i have no doubt that will happen. >> how many of you believe that joe biden could beat him again? >> i would say president biden, you don't have two years, three

years. you have three months before the midterms. we need to see progress. we need to see movement and action on these things that are important to the american people so that you can keep your senate and keep europe your house majo hopefully expand them and be in a stronger place. >> i will say this, if we are successful by picking up more seats in the house and picking up two more seats in the senate, maybe three, which would be ideal, i think joe could absolutely run again in 2024. >> i think joe biden has an immense opportunity over the next two years as we see all of the midterm elections, hopefully he allows that change to be someone else running, he puts his support behind, and we can continue the progress we should be on. >> i think he needs to work hard on capturing the middle so the alt-right agenda doesn't get pushed to the presidency. >> jeremy? >> the republicans have handed

us an incredible environment and if democrats are willing to pick up the mantel and make republicans own what they've become and pay for what they've become, it will require harris and biden to be much more forceful. but if they can do that, then the next two years are going to be a lot better than the first two years. >> i just wanted to add a lit mfrl to what they said. you know, you have three more months to sort of show some more progress, that aggressiveness. can he do it? we don't know, but that's all we're asking for. >> hmm. they all want an alternative in 2024. as you pointed out, tw the exception of stacy abrams, joe biden has beat these people and if they think donald trump is going to run again, why wouldn't joe biden be the best option, especially if age is not a consideration? >> exactly. that was my logic. what they all said yesterday and today, it's basically a messaging thing or a

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comedian chris rock is finally talking about that slap from will smith live on the air at this year's oscars telecast. >> he's got some jokes about it, too. rock told a soldout crowd this past weekend in new jersey he just shook that shit off and went back to work. >> i see you're not editing. >> it's a quote. he says words hurt have never been punched in the face. smith resigned from the academy and is banned from participating in all oscar related events for

the next ten years. >> i see you stopped a little short of that. >> that was the only line i had from it. i saw this show when they were at madison square garden and dave chappell came out. it was amazing, amazing. >> i'm glad it's given him fodder and material and i'm so astounded by how he responded in the moment. just reflexively i would have hit back. the fact that he was so cool in the moment, i just continue to be impressed. >> it takes a lot of self-control. >> meanwhile, it is national intern day, and we here at newsroom are celebrating it. so let's take a shot if we could of our intern, dawn soyer, a rising junior at the university of georgia, where she's an editor for the student newspaper. >> at her heart, she says she's still a fan of print journalism.

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