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requested a colonel convicted of murder and added along this infamous arms dealer for wnba star brittney griner and paul whelan. >> we have a team of correspondents covering these breaking developments. frederik pleitgen is in moscow for us. let's start with natasha bertrand, who is breaking this exclusive. what have you learned. >> reporter: what we've learned is that in response to the russian proposal to trade that arms dealer, viktor bout for the two americans detained in russia, paul whelan and brittney griner, the russians put forward their own request and they said we don't want just viktor bout, we want this guy name vadim krz krosokov, convicted in december of 2021 for murdering in broad daylight a chech an fighter and the germans sentenced him to life in prison. the russians in response to this proposal submitted this kind of
back channel request to the americans. it was done through an fsb back channel, the fsb of course is the main security service for the russians. and through this back channel it was very informal. they said that they wanted this person to be included in the swap along with viktor bout. now, the u.s. did not take this request very seriously. it was very problematic for a number of reasons. chief among them is that this guy is still in german custody, so the united states would in fact have to use its influence to get him released from german custody to include him in the prisoner swap. other than that, it was not viewed by the u.s. to be a serious counter proposal to what the u.s. had said is a very substantiative proposal, which is to trade bout for these two americans. it remains to be seen whether the russians have put forward or will put forward any other requests. this shows, this underscores that the russians did, in fact, engage with the u.s.'s proposal. now, whether or not the americans view that as substantiative, that's another
question. >> fred, you're sharing the byline on this exclusive reporting. the u.s. says that it's not a serious proposal. has it even gone far enough that germany has responded? >> the germans certainly did at least deal with it to a certain extent. i think one of the things that shows yjust how serious the administration is about trying to get the prisoner swap to happen, to get brittney griner and paul whelan out of russian custody, there were quiet inquiries by the u.s. to the german government. we have that from a senior german government source saying this was on a low level and the germans never really believed that it was a real strong proposal or one to be taken seriously. it was merely an inquiry, would the germans be willing to consider that. the germans say that they never really talked about this proposal on a higher level, and never reached the top levels of german government, but certainly they did receive inquiries from the u.s. about krosokov,
however, he is an important prisoner to the germans. it was something that wasn't broadly discussed in the government, the u.s. did make that inquiry. >> tell us about why he is so important. he was a colonel and what else? >> well, he was a colonel in the fsb, the intelligence service ot russians, and he's obviously the one the german court convicted of killing that former chechnyaen fighter in broad daylight in 2019. the reason this is so important for the germans is the court in germany that dealt with this case clearly stated that this was a murder that was called for by the russian federation that was organized by russia's state security services and essentially led by russia state security service. it caused a huge spat between the russian government and the german government. several russian diplomats were expelled, and one of the things that's really important is not only that the germans said, look, this is a complete breach of german sovereignty, and just
for that reason, a very important prisoner to the germans but also happened right after a change of government in germany as well. it was when angela merkel left office, the conviction was after angela merkel left office and the schultz government came into office. right after that is when the conviction happened and the new german government showed immediately expelled russian diplomats. crosokov is a very important prisoner that the germans are holding and there's no considerations i'm told right now in berlin to release krosokov. >> natasha, u.s. secretary of state tony blinken spoke with his russian counter part today but this was not the vehicle for that offer. how did the russians respond and ask for this additional trade? >> correct, victor, and what we're told is the russians communicated this through a back channel. essentially fsb officers reached out to the united states through these channels to float the
possibility that they would potentially get krosokov back. they told the united states, if you're offering bout, we want krosokov. this was not viewed by the u.s. as a serious proposal. it was it was not proposed at the lavrov blinken level. it was proposed at lower levelings. it gave the idea of the swap russia might be looking for and said indicated to the united states that russia might not be serious about the swap at all because it was just not viewed as something the u.s. and germany would actually be willing to do. it was viewed more by the u.s. government as an attempt to buy time, as an attempt to stall until the trial of brittney griner is over, and then the russians feel they can come to the table. so all of this was viewed by the united states really as a game that the russians were playing. they don't view it as serious. it remains to be seen of course whether the russians are going to ask for another person in addition to bout on a more formal level because of course
the u.s. is asking for two people of its own back. >> okay. natasha bertrand, frederik pleitgen, thank you very much for the breaking news. urgent search and rescue efforts across eastern kentucky. historic flooding has left at least 16 people dead, including six children. president biden issued a major disaster declaration for the state. entire homes, look at this, buildings, roads, swept away. the people who live there are describing terrifying discovers. 5:00 a.m. knocks on the door, turned out to be rocks hitting the house in a mud slide. >> for some families overnight emergency alerts on phones provided just minutes of warning before every last belonging was under water. and the danger is not over, more storms and flooding could be on the way this afternoon and this weekend. cnn's evan mcmorris-santoro is in hazard, kentucky, for us,
evan, describe what you're seeing. >> reporter: >> victor, you set this situation up so well because the eeriest part of a flash flood is that it comes and goes really fast. where i'm standing right now in hazard, kentucky, you can see behind me there's a roadblock. there's public officials here. they're cleaning stuff up, putting stuff away, but they're still worried there could be more water coming. we have heard emergency broadcasting service alerts saying people should prepare for more floods. they could come later today, and we've heard more about people who are still trying to be rescued. the governor of kentucky went on cnn to describe just how intense this set of floods have been in this area. >> we've never seen something like this. folks who deal with this for a living have been doing it for 20 years. have never seen water this high. whole roads washed out. we still can't get to a lot of people. there's so much water. the current is so strong, it's
not safe for some of the water rescues that we need to do. >> reporter: so we're standing here on the parking lot of a guy named clint who has autobody shop here. he builds those big trucks you go off road with. so he was a great person to describe what it's like to go through one of these things. driving through the rain. driving through some of these floods that were coming in, and stopped his truck to move a tree out of the way, and i asked him about it, what happened next. all of this mud came out of nowhere, hit his truck, and i asked him what it was like to go through that. >> a little exciting, but at the same time, scary. you know, i will. i do four wheeling, so it was kind of fun getting out of it, but when it hit me, i was scared. it shifted the truck at least 5 feet almost to the guardrail. >> reporter: clint's a guy who knows what he's doing, and he's talking about a full-sized
pickup truck being moved 5 feet by swiftly moving mud. this is the kind of thing that rescuers are up against here, and the kind of thing that residents are hoping not to see too much more of in the coming days. for now, they're still dealing with it. >> yeah, such a great point, evan. he does that for a living, and he talked about how tense it was. evan mcmorris-santoro, thank you very much. let's bring in robin williams, the floyd county, kentucky, judge executive. thank you so much for being here. i understand 80 people have been rescued in your county this week. are people still trapped? >> well, first, thanks for having me. no, we do not have folks that are still trapped. we've had 55 swift water rescues on wednesday -- excuse me, that was on -- i'm getting my dates correct here because we've had so many events this week. we had an event on monday night, and wednesday night. looks like it's going to
continue for another week. on wednesday, we did have 55 swift water rescues. that was from our local fire departments and rescue squad. they did an excellent job getting folks out. when i arrived on the scene, to be honest, i really thought we was going to have a greater loss of life than what has occurred in the surrounding counties. we've been very fortunate here in floyd county. we have not had any loss of life. but our neighbors have, and we certainly send out our condolences and prayers to those affected areas. >> you certainly are fortunate there in floyd county as 16 people now dead across the state. the governor expects that number to double. you said that there have been these rescues, but we look at the disaster area. it's so broad that the schools and the community center where people typically would go have been flooded too. where are these families that are being rescued. where are you taking them.
>> actually here in floyd county, we have a temporary shelter set up at our community center, which is central to the county and it's a good location. so we're bringing folks in there. we're trying to get them a good hot meal. a lot of these folks are arriving with only the clothing on their back. their lives have been washed away, so it's a difficult situation. but, you know, we're doing what we can. we're resilient here in eastern kentucky. good hard working folks, and we'll pull together and get through this as we always do. >> and i read that you said, in some ways it's helpful that it's happening in floyd county because everybody knows each other, people check on their neighbors, they know if somebody's missing and that in this situation is a blessing. the governor said he's never seen anything like this. do you have anything you can compare it to? >> no, i can't. i cannot.
not as far as flooding. i've never seen flooding at this level in this area. we had towns that were 10 foot under water. and i've never seen this volume of water and it just seems to be getting more and more frequent. you know, one of the things here in eastern kentucky is we do not have waeter issues. we have plenty of water. we live in valleys in the mountains, and these are narrow valleys, and we have to deal with water issues, but i've never seen volumes of water like this. these were truly historic levels. 500-year flood levels on the information that we're getting from our flood administrators. >> we are hoping for relief from you all soon as we know that there may be some more rain coming. thank you for your time and of course the work you're doing. robbie williams, floyd county. >> thank you, i certainly
appreciate it. >> certainly. house speaker nancy pelosi leaves for her trip to asia today, still unclear if she's going to taiwan. china has warned pelosi against making a possible visit to the self-governing island. cnn's melanie zanona joins us now. what did speaker pelosi say today about that trip? >> reporter: not a whole lot. speaker nancy pelosi did not confirm any details about her trip or even that she was going citing security concerns but she did talk about the importance of maintaining alliances in the region. take a listen. >> the president earlier, well, earlier in his term talked about a strong emphasis on the asian pacific. he has visited there as vice president, the secretary of commerce and others. and we want the congress of the united states to be part of that initiative. i'm very excited should we go to the countries that you'll be
hearing about along the way. >> now, cnn has confirmed that pelosi and a group of lawmakers will visit asia, some of the stops that are to be included, include japan, south korea, malaysia, singapore, as you mentioned, it remains to be seen whether she will indeed visit taiwan. the biden administration has concerns about how china might respond if pelosi does visit the island, and some officials have been privately working behind the scenes to try to convince the speaker to not go. one thing to keep in mind here is that pelosi has built a reputation as a china hawk. this could be her last term in congress. we'll just have to see whether she ultimately makes that decision or not. alisyn, victor. >> melanie zanona, thank you for the latest. here's wihat we have all ben thinking about. what would we do if we have won the jackpot tonight. one lucky person or a group of people could be $1 billion richer tomorrow. so next we're going to talk to one man who won the mega
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>> oh, my gosh. it was so surreal, and i won way back in 1999 so the internet wasn't what it is today. i compared the numbers to a newspaper. and when i saw the numbers matching, every single number, looking back and forth, i mean, i felt like a little kid in a candy store. it was just really really surreal. it felt like a dream that i couldn't wake up from. >> and who's the first person you call when that happens? >> well, one of the first people that i called were attorneys as well as financial advisers. i think it's very important to contact financial advisers and gain an understanding of what you can realistically do with the money before you do anything too crazy. i think you should relax, and get an understanding of what you can do because it's just important. the average lottery winner, i would say, probably is not
accustomed to dealing with millions of dollars for, you know, how to invest it and so forth. i think a financial adviser is very important. >> after you win a $28 million jackpot, do you play again? i mean, was it your turn of the wheel or do you still buy tickets? >> i rarely buy tickets these days, unless something inspires me to play. but i do host a podcast where i interview other lottery winners and produce videos on the subject, and so yesterday i released a video about the jackpot, this really crazy hijack pot. i released the video about that asking other people what they would do if they won over a billion dollars, and so that sort of inspired me to go buy a ticket. i bought one ticket. we'll see it only takes one to win. >> do you know how mad we're going to be, timothy, if you win. i think i speak for all of america, when i say that will not be fair, but immediately
call us if that happens. what's the most extravagant thing that you bought after you won? i've never really been too much into material possessions, but some, you know, new vehicles, real estate, that sort of thing. so i've never -- i was really not into that sort of thing prior to winning, so that really didn't change. i found that for myself and for a lot of people that i've met and interviewed that if you win the lottery jackpot, it magnifies or at least it can magnify your personality, it doesn't necessarily change who you are, and i wasn't really into material possessions beforehand, so but that's just me. if you win, it's okay. >> timothy schultz congratulations on your win, and we hope you don't win tonight. >> i think that's fair to say. >> so thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. >> sure. first on cnn, jared kushner
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first on cnn, salacious details coming out of the new memoir from former president trump's son-in-law. in his new book, breaking history, a white house memoir, jared kushner writes about multiple clashes with fellow trump adviser steve bannon. >> cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond joins. kushner describes bannon's president in the west wing as toxic. what is he saying? >> we reported in realtime on so much infights inside the trump west wing, but these new excerpts from jared kushner's forthcoming memoir really do shed new light on some of those fights, and it also is the first time that we're really hearing directly and publicly from jared kushner on his feuds with steve bannon. he describes bannons a a toxic presence inside the west wing. he talks about him as somebody who constantly tried to stymie him on various fronts, often
doing so by leaking to the press. one of the episodes described in the forthcoming book involves where he and gary cohn, president trump's then chief economic adviser are talking to bannon, urging him to stop leaking to the press about gary cohn, and here's what jared kushner writes bannon told him. cohn's the one leaking on me, jared, right now you're the one undermining the president's agenda, he continued eyes intense, and voice escalating into a yell, and if you go against me, i will break you in half, don't ef with me. jared kushner says he was quote woefully unprepared for this media war that he was engaging in with steve bannon, but at the same time, the reality is that jared kushner very often did come out on top in so many of these feuds. he stayed with donald trump in the white house throughout those four years. st steve bannon was fired after eight months in the white house, and jared kushner takes some credit in this book for getting
bannon fired saying that at least that was one thing he was able to accomplish early in president trump's tenure. jared also describes moments where he and steven miller and hope hicks were joking about having to take on the responsibility of leaking to different reporters after bannon was fired, so there certainly was no love lost there. bannon while he was out of the white house, eventually he did get back in trump's good graces we know through all of this reporting over the january 6th investigation that bannon was very much there advising president trump in those final days in office. jeremy diamond, thank you very much. alice stewart is a cnn political commentator, communications director for republican senator ted cruz. hopp hoppy and abby phillip, cnn political correspondent, and host of "inside politics sunday," you had a conversation with joe manchin about his seeming reversal, i know he takes issue on that on this legislation about climate change
and corporate minimum tax and the rest. let's set the table here with what the senator said to manu raju two weeks ago on why he was not ready to support the legislation. >> i said, chuck, can we just wait until the inflation figures come out in july. until basically the fed rate, the reserve, are they going to raise interest, how much more and how much damage is that going to be, and then make a decision what we can do and how much we can do. >> actually, that's the clip, he said that to you on july 15th. what changed? why the reversal now? >> i asked him that same question. first of all, manchin would say, and did say, that he didn't change at you wall, that he's t same place he's always been, number one. the second thing is that he went through the bill, his staff, and they scrubbed all the stuff in there that was supposed to be inflationary, and third, and i think the overriding point is that manchin is always willing to negotiate. he wants a deal.
and i think it was kind of unfairly portrayed that he walked away. i don't think he walked away. i think he was always ready to negotiate, and obviously they continue negotiations and ended up with a bill that manchin thinks is beneficial to the country and beneficial to west virginia with a lot of fossil fuel things in there, protections for fossil fuel, and benefits for fossil fuel that he vowed to fight for, so i think he ended up continuing to talk about it and ended up with what he believes is a win for the state and for the country. >> hoppy, did the understand or know it was going to set off this domino effect yesterday of republicans withdrawing their support from the, you know, burn pit victims/veterans and now senator collins saying the republicans might withdraw their support for same-sex marriage. did senator manchin know that that was all going to happen? >> i can't answer that. we did not get into that in the interview. one thing manchin always comes back to is the quest for an
agreement and bipartisanship. he and mitch mcconnell, i don't think, exchange christmas cards, i don't think that they're on great terms. so i don't know whether he considered that or not. it did not come up in our interview. i think he's been solely focused for the last couple of weeks on trying to get this bill. >> abby, the fallout after joe manchin is now on board with this legislation, he calls it his bill, the inflation reduction act has been multifaceted. but also it's not a done deal. we have not heard from senator sinema yet. >> right. we haven't heard specifically from senator sinema. whether she would actually vote to support the bill but i do think that the noises that are coming from her office are that she needs to read it and examine it a little bit more, but i don't think that there are any sort of loud red flags coming out about this, and frankly, you know, her position and manchin's position are not terribly
different in terms of the political dynamics that they're both facing. and notably, a lot of the part that s that she might have opposed, tax increases, for example, aren't part of the compromise at this point. i think democrats are feeling pretty good about where this is headed. i don't think you would be hearing the kind of optimism that you're hearing if they didn't field pretty good, and at the end of the day, i mean, what's notable about this is that getting a deal done today in 2022 is the same as it's always been. everybody has to give up a little bit and that is exactly what happened to produce something that manchin could support, and notably, on the democratic side, on the liberal side, they got to a point where they were willing to just take whatever manchin was offering, and that was enough for them. >> alice, let's talk about the fallout. let me pose my question, and then you can say it. the fallout from this in terms of republicans withdrawing their support for the pact act, which is the money that would go to
all of our veterans who were victims of those burn pits who now are suffering with cancer and all sorts of breathing problems. 41 republicans did not vote for it. 25 who had voted for it just last month withdrew their support. let me quickly play jon stewart because he spoke for those veterans yesterday and their outrage. >> america's heroes who fought in our wars outside sweating their asses off with oxygen, battling all kinds of ailments while these. [ bleep ] sit in the air-conditioning walled off from any of it. >> alice, what about that, i mean, why would republicans make them political pawns? >> first off, alisyn, bravo to jon stewart for all he's done from the very beginning to support these veterans and the illnesses that they have incurred after fighting for our
country. the republicans have supported the pact act and making sure the money goes exactly where it should go. the change has been, alisyn, in the recent revisions of this is money was transferred from a discretionary to mandatory, and there is a money gimmick that the democrats put in this which meant that basically $40 billion is going to be used for things that are not directly related to these veterans. that's the concern. >> that's really truly what you think this is about. you don't think it's payback for what they thought -- what they said was manchin's behind closed door negotiations. >> absolutely not. they are frustrated with the fact this money has been diverted to other purposes and in this time where we do not need to be spending extra money, this is not the way to go about doing it. these republicans support the money going to veterans that have these illnesses. that is not disputed. i encourage everyone to go to
pat toomey's floor speech on this. he talks about this very explicitly on the fact they do support this. if anything, was if i was jon stewart and others, i would be frustrated democrats are using this issue as a shield for other projects and other budgetary matters. if i can talk quickly about manchin, hoppy's reporting on this has been stellar, and i encourage folks to go and follow him and his latest writings on this are important saying that manchin has been negotiating all along. what i am interested to see is how this impacts him in west virginia, a red state, he has been very popular in that state, but in his recent reportings, he says back in the larger spending package, build back better, 60%, nearly 70% of people in west virginia would support him, but that number would go down to 60% if he were to support some type of negotiated spending plan, which is what we're talking about here, and the question is why did he do it. and what we see in washington, love affairs are very
transactional, and he went from hero to zero with those on the right, and now hero to zero with those on the left because of this, and it will be interesting to see how kyrsten sinema supporting this, and whether or not we get this across the finish line. >> we're also hearing from the junior senator there in west virginia, kelly moore capito who says she was surprised by this, it's bad for the state. we'll see what's the fallout in west virginia. following a short suspension the principal of robb lelementay school has been reenstated. an investigation determined she knew about the security issues at the school before the deadly mass shooting. how the community is responding now. [whistling]
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broadly about some of the failures that were happening for the entire uvalde school district, but it mentioned the principal specifically, and it criticized her for what it called, quote, a culture of noncompliance with safety at her school, and also for spotty wi-fi, and also she didn't pick up the intercom and initiate the lockdown, at that point in time, she figured there was some sort of spotty cell phone service with the application she was trying to use to initiate that lockdown. she wrote a letter to the texas house investigative committee, and to the school district as well, defending herself, just like she did in our interview. she among many other things said that she did not foster a culture of noncompliance with safety protocols, and also regarding the use of the intercom system, she said that she didn't use that because it went against her training to do so. she said that in her training, active shooter training that she received, that they told her that it would create panic for students, and also alert the
gunman. her attorney issuing a statement saying quote, vindication is not what she sought. she sought merely to be allowed to continue her efforts to assist in the healing process for the families in the community she loves. goes on to say she understands and respects that the grieving process might involve anger. that is a natural reaction, and she respects and empathizes with everything those affected are going through. now, some of the families are very angry about this. i received a statement from javier casa, the father of jacqueline, one of the victims, he says, quote, again, it's another slap to our faces and to our baby's faces. being the person in charge she should have made sure that school was safe, and she failed at her job bottom line. it goes to show you how uvalde works. they will do anything to protect themselves and forget the children. now, the principal gets to keep her job, but alisyn and victor, she doesn't get to be principal of robb elementary school because robb elementary school
will not be opening in the fall. >> so where will the kids go? school's going to reopen, classes will resume in a few weeks. >> reporter: you know what, the school district is trying to do is to place those students at other schools within the district. the superintendent issuing a video message showing some of the new fencing that's going to go up around all the schools, and also some of the portable buildings that will be used as classrooms. alisyn and victor, there's a lot of hesitation from the parents in uvalde. they're actually pushing for virtual schooling instead of brick and mortar schooling. the school has delayed the start of the school year from august 15th to september 6th. >> we can certainly understand the parents' anxiety about going back into a building. rosa flores, thank you very much for all of the developments. meanwhile, conservative supreme court justice samuel alito is speaking out for the first time since the court overturned roe
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