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been stone walling, so that's why they're having to go to court going to facts. first amendment lawyers are the best of the best. they and we will get to the truth no matter how long it takes. tonight here on cnn, join anderson cooper and shimon prokupecz for a special report, what really happened in uvalde, tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern time here on cnn. we'll see you back here this time next week. vote-a-rama, the senate pulls an all nighter as democrats aim to push through their tax and climate bill. >> this is one of the most comprehensive and impactful bills. >> but will their inflation reduction act actually reduce inflation? >> it will in fact have a minimal impact on inflation. >> and across the aisle, we'll talk to two senators about their history of working together and what's next. republican senator lindsey
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graham and democratic senator richard blumenthal. plus, on the trail, as candidates make their pitch to voters, one democrat goes all in on a major issue. >> i am pro-choice and i am going to be governor because of my commitment to the women of georgia. >> what is the winning strategy for november? democratic nominee for georgia governor stacey abrams joins me ahead. hello. i'm dana bash in washington, where the state of our union is wondering how long they will go. you're looking at live pictures of the senate floor where tired lawmakers are still voting after more than 12 hours of all night debate on the democrats' sweeping tax, health and climate package. right now, democrats have stayed largely united as republicans and bernie sanders offer up amendments to the bill. but now we're learning democrats may be trying to make some changes of their own. i want to go straight to capitol
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hill to cnn's chief congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, what's the latest? >> reporter: there are some late discussions happening right now among senate democrats trying to change some of the tax language dealing with that 15% corporate minimum tax that democrats want to impose through the legislation that would help pay for this legislation, these proposed programs under this bill. that would affect big companies, companies that have about a billion dollars or more in income. but there is some concern that some of the language could impact some of the smaller companies, so right now behind the scenes they're actually discussions happening, joe manchin, kyrsten sinema have been in talks with the republican senator john thune who has an amendment targeting this issue that he plans to push forward. those two senators, democratic senators, just left thune's office. thune confirmed the discussions are still ongoing. now, even as they're making potential changes to that, there have been also big change that happened recently. that was republicans succeeded
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in pulling out a $35 cap on insulin that people could provide -- purchase -- insulin purchased through your private insurance. that cap was initially in the democratic plan. but because it violated budget rules, republicans succeeded in stripping that $35 provision from the private insurance. now that $35 cap on insulin will still remain through if you purchase through medicare, but private insurance, that is now gone. nevertheless, though, dana, this bill has remained largely in tact through this marathon series of amendments that started at 11:30 p.m. eastern time last night. in which democrats have fended off amendments dealing with immigration, dealing with energy, dealing with the irs enforcement, new irs agents, they have stayed united and there are probably about eight or so amendment votes left before they move on to final passage early this afternoon. and they expect to stay united in the final vote, finally giving their party something they have been struggling to do for more than a year to push
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through this major package to now dealing with healthcare, dealing with climate change and imposing new corporate taxes and once they do, assuming they can stay united, it will go to the house for final passage, which democrats are expecting that to be approved on friday. sending it to joe biden's desk and giving them an issue to campaign on and republicans to campaign against since they vigorously opposed this proposal. >> manu raju, thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you. here with me now for a special joint interview, two senators from either side of the aisle, who have come together to pass a surprising amount of compromise legislation. connecticut democratic senator richard blumenthal and south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on for this interview. senator blumenthal, i'm going to start with you about this budget bill that is making its way through congress. three independent economic analyses, including the congressional budget office, all say the inflation reduction act will actually have little to no
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impact on inflation. how is this bill actually going to help americans who are having trouble paying for their groceries, for their housing, for their gas? >> great question. and thanks for having us in this bipartisan way. i think americans are going to see the costs of their prescription drugs cut because of medicare negotiations, they're going to see energy costs cut because they're going to be receiving credits and rebates for energy-saving and cost-cutting measures. and they're going to see greater tax -- because corporations that are currently paying nothing will have to pay at least 15%, we're talking corporations with assets of more than a billion dollars or earnings of excess in that amount. so we're going to see costs of gasoline continue to drop, costs of necessities decline, and i think americans will see historic results. >> well, this is not the
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bipartisan part of the interview. so the american rescue plan, remember that one, that was supposed to make everything better, it became a recession plan. this is going to make everything worse. i voted for a bipartisan infrastructure bill, i voted for gun legislation, i'm not going to vote for this. the minimum tax of 15% destroys expensing. what does that mean? if a company buys a piece of equipment, they could expense it under the 2017 tax cut in the same year they bought it. that goes away. so cbo says it disincentivizes companies for building factories, buying equipment, which would help us get out of a recession. there is a 16.4% tax on imported barrels of oil that are going to increase costs at the gas pump, subsidies for obamacare go to families making $304,000 a year, which i think is ill conceived. and the bottom line, it is not going to help inflation, it is
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going to make everything worse. >> one other thing that the cbo, the congressional budget office said, the bill would reduce the deficit. republicans have been focused on reducing the deficit. why not support that? >> it would reduce the deficit by $100 billion. we're going to spend almost a trillion dollars. the truth is if the american -- the obamacare subsidies go away after three years, well, we all know they're not going to go away. if they stayed in place for ten years, it would add $280 billion to the deficit. so it is a gimmick. they got a gimmick in the bill to limit the subsidies for three years, that go to people that make $304,000 a year. this thing is going to make everything worse and not one republican is going to vote for it. >> i'll tell you one thing where i think we can agree, it will make things better is the irs will have resources it needs to go after the highest income americans that are cheating on their taxes right now. and it will mean more revenue for the government. and frankly cutting through all of the numbers, all the cbo
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stuff, the average american sitting at their kitchen table deciding whether they can buy medicine, pay their mortgage, or go to the grocery store and get the food they need, they're going to be able to get that medicine much more cheaply and overwhelmingly american people want to cut the costs of prescription drugs, this measure does it through enabling medicare to do what the va does, what the department of defense does, negotiate for lower prices and that will affect the entire course of -- >> i want to bring one other issue that is in this bill -- >> i don't agree with that. >> go ahead. >> prescription drugs, this is price fixing, they take 15 drugs and put a limit on what you can charge. that sounds good, until pharmaceutical companies invent less new drugs. remember covid? well, it was the american pharmaceutical industry that got us the drugs that keep us out of the hospital and keep a lot of us alive. this is price fixing, never worked for us, not going to work
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now. hiring 86,000 more irs agents, if that makes you feel better, you missed a lot. they're coming after waitresses, uber drivers and everybody else to collect more taxes, so if you think growing the irs is good for you, you're wrong. >> you want to respond or move on? >> i think the irs is going to target the highest income persons as the saying goes, that's where the money is. that's where they're going to look to collect. the idea that there is going to be this army of irs agents descending on the average american is just preposterous. tax fairness is what we need. and for the biggest corporations in this country to pay no taxes, for them to do stock buybacks that benefit the shareholders, but, for example in the case of oil companies, they are making 3 to 4 times what they did just last year, what are they doing with those excess win fall profits? lower gasoline prices? no. they're doing stock buybacks. they ought to pay a tax on it
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and i think there ought to be rebates to consumers from those excess profits. >> let's turn to foreign policy. this is an area where you agree. >> let's keep the tape. >> we will. on the issue of ukraine. you were just in ukraine together, actually, in june, and you are now pushing to designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. the biden administration does not like that idea. they think it would rupture ties between the western alliance and russia even more than it is now. do you want the senate to pass a bill to force the president to do it anyway? jump ball. >> here's what i think. and i think we are very much in agreement on this point, and i think it is a mark of our bipartisan work together that we are so much in agreement and that the congress has spoken unanimously, one voice, so far the senate at least. i think the administration should preempt the referendum, this sham referendum, that
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russia is going to hold in early september by designating russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. we went to ukraine recently together. we went not only to meet with president zelenskyy who is ecstatic about this idea of condemning russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, but we also went to bucha, and irpin, the mass grave, the site of these atrocities. genocide is what it is. and the extension of genocide is to hold a referendum in the occupied territories and i think the administration should in effect say to russia, we're making you a pariah, like iran and cuba, and other states that have no respect -- >> do you have enough votes to push this through the senate, with a veto proof margin and force the administration's hand? >> we tried to be bipartisan here. as wrong as he is about the american inflation reduction act, which will not reduce inflation, he has been so good, senator blumenthal, on standing
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up to putin. he supported presanctions for preinvasion activity. if we imposed sanctions before they went in, it may have changed things. he supported arming the ukrainians moves before we started flying in arms. i think senator blumenthal and a handful of other democrats and republicans have really focused on this, and what have we learned? we were told four days after the invasion, we're almost six months into this thing, everybody is underestimated the ukrainians. >> so what do you do now? >> what we do now is we go all in on war sanctions, we designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. what does that mean? you can go to american courts and sue russia for the damage done in ukraine, it means that countries who deal with russia in the future face secondary sanctions to the administration. we're pretty polarized in this country, but 100-0 we were able to pass a resolution, i would like to work with them, but whether or not we have to do
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legislation to make it happen, we're willing to do. i am urging the administration to act now before they annex any more of the east, preempt them, and label putin's russia for the terrorist state they are, which puts the whole world on notice, we're not forgetting and fo forgiving. we're getting more weapons going into next year, we're going to designate them a state sponsor of terrorism, which means america is all in for ukraine. >> i have to ask you about another hot spot, which thats become a hot spot over the past week, that is taiwan and what's going on with taiwan and china. speaker pelosi left taiwan, the region is very much on edge. china fired missiles over taiwan for the first time. japan says that five missiles landed in its exclusive economic zone. the speaker's trip seemed to have escalated this. was it a mistake? >> no, i think the speaker traveling to taiwan as many of our colleagues has done, senator graham has been a leader on this
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issue, he traveled to taiwan. and the chinese can't tell our legislators or any american citizens where to travel. and it is bullying and blustering, it is firing these missiles, it is sending its planes in sensitive areas. it is simply a provocative response, but i will tell you, china's watching what we do in ukraine. and that's why we need to send more of the long range artillery so ukraine is successful in this next month during its counteroffensive. that's why we need to find more humanitarian assistance to ukraine and stronger sanctions. it is not only the state sponsor of terrorism, the president can conduct foreign policy if necessary. we can change the statute to provide the president with more flexibility, but i hope the president will decide to adopt this stance voluntarily and he hasn't taken it off the table on the state sponsor of terrorism. >> is this an area where you actually agree with speaker
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pelosi? >> yeah, she should have gone. i'm glad she went. if she wouldn't have gone what would that signal to the russians? one thing affects the other. why does anybody care about taiwan? 90% of the high end chips for refrigerators, cars are made in taiwan. how would you like the chinese communist party to own that whole market? we need supply chain break from china, so taiwan's important to us economically. the last guy that tried to rewrite the map of europe was adolf hitler, threw us into a major war. this is a land war in europe in 2022, and the ukrainians can win this thing with our support. so here's what i want china to know. putin made a big miscalculation, almost six months into the war, ukraine is bloodied, but still standing, unbowed. nato is bigger, not smaller. the international criminal court is coming after putin and his cronies. and we're going to strangle the russian economy as long as they're the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
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so if you want to receive what putin did, try to go into taiwan. they're going to fight until the last minute in taiwan. bob menendez and myself and i think senator blumenthal will help us, has new legislation to give more economic support to taiwan, more military support, and to sanction china for cyberattacks on this democracy called taiwan. the right response is to push back against a bully, not cower. >> senators, stand by. more to discuss, especially issues where the two are making progress in a bipartisan way. on the domestic front. stay with us. you always have the whole place to yourselelf. no stranger r at the dinner table making things awkward. or in another room taking up space. it's just you and your people. because why would you ever share your vacation home with someone you wouldn't share your vacation with. ♪ ♪
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we're back with democratic senator richard blblumenthal an republican senator lindsey graham. you came together on an issue that hasn't been dealt with in a bipartisan successful way in decades, that's gun legislation. and this legislation that was passed closes the so-called boyfriend loophole, encourages red flag laws, and improves background checks on juvenile records. senator blblumenthal, probably both of you, this was not enough, a good first step, but not enough. are there any actions that you
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think are doable beyond what has now passed and become law in a bipartisan way in the near future on guns? >> let me say very emphatically, yes. and senator graham and i have worked literally for years through thick and thin, through trump and all of the impeachment stuff and all of the partisan fighting on red flag legislation that i think can actually be strengthened because more states should be given more incentives to adopt statutes, emergency risk protection orders, that essentially separate people from guns when they say they're going to kill themselves or somebody else. and we came together after the parkland shooting to say we want a strong red flag incentive statute, we worked through it with all the groups. i think we can do more on that proposal, possibly also on safe
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storage, ethan's law named after ethan song who perished at a friend's house as a result of playing with a firearm, and a variety of other measures including the background checks system, maybe repealing the sweetheart deal with the manufacturers that give them absolute immunity. >> is any of that going to fly with republicans? >> i'm certainly, you know, i'm not going to do anything to gun manufacturers, playing them for an action of somebody who commits their crime. so that's off the table. ar-15, i'm not going to ban ar-15s. but sandy hook looms larger. happened in connecticut. so uvalde, the guy's nickname was the school shooter on the website he hung out, parkland, the cruz guy, 30 visits by the cops. he did everything but take an ad up in the paper he's going to kill people. >> what more can you do beyond what has already been done? >> incentivize states to give them the tools they need to deal with this before it is too late.
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due process is important. a lot of people on my side don't trust the government, they're afraid the courts are going to take their guns. here's what i would say. this is not a national red flag law, not a national protective order law, but it does have resources that deal with issues of unstable people owning guns. the people run across these people every day. we involuntarily commit people who are mentally ill, dementia, to keep them safe from harming themselves. all i'm suggesting is that as a proud gun owner we need a better system to act before it is too late. due process is important, but the idea that you don't trust the judge would argue against having any criminal law against anything. so the judges are the same ones that will deal with crime, you'll have due process, but i want to give tools to people on the front lines of this fight, the cops, to act, through a court before it is too late, and i think every responsible gun owner should not be afraid of a legal system that protects
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people with due process and keeps guns out of the hands of unstable people. >> senator, i want to move on to other issues. do you have anything you want to add? >> here is the common ground i think we share and many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle share. keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, but through due process. >> okay. >> can't get any better. >> senator graham, another issue that is before the senate is gay marriage, that is what rob portman wants. he's trying to get enough votes to codify same sex marriage because justice clarence thomas suggested that it might be in jeopardy. you said two weeks ago that the state by state approach is the best way to go. i want to be clear about your position, are you saying that the 2015 supreme court decision that made same sex marriage the law of the land nationally should be overturned? >> no. i am saying that i don't think it is going to be overturned. >> nor should it be? >> well, that would be up to the court. the reasoning, i think, could be attacked, but the point i'm
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trying to make is i've been consistent. i think states should decide the issue of marriage and states should decide the issue of abortion. i have respect for south carolina. south carolina voters here, i trust, to define marriage and deal with the issue of abortion. not the people in the court. that's my view. >> how far down -- how wide should that go? how many more issues should that go to, for example, virginia that allowed interracial marriage? that shouldn't be touched? >> we're talking about things that are not happening because you don't want to talk about inflation, don't want to talk about crime. this is all politics, my friends. and instead of trying to solve problems like -- we're talking about constitutional decisions that are still in effect, but if you ask me to have a federal government take over defining marriage, i'm going to say no. >> let me just add if i may, i
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think tobererfeld, the supreme court has indicated it has a hit list, beginning with marriage equality, contraception, possibly others as well, loving versus virginia, we need to guarantee these rights to assure people that they can marry the person they want to. >> i want to ask about a big political issue going on in your party, and that is the question of whether democrats should be playing aggressively in republican primaries. one of ten republicans who supported impeachment, peter meijer lost, democrats on a national level boosted his republican opponent who is an election denier. he said it is wrong for democrats to support candidates who say they're a threat to democracy, elizabeth warren said that it is dangerous to do this, do you agree? >> i agree that we should focus
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on our candidates, and our races, support them enthusiastically and make sure that we have the best candidates on our side running and that they have the resources they need to be successful. >> is that a no? don't do that? >> i agree that playing in other people's primaries generally is a bad thing to do. >> so let me ask just each of you about, you talked about your political parties, looking forward to 2024. senator graham, you said that you want donald trump to run again in 2024. i want to play for our viewers what happened late in the night on january 6th on the senate floor. >> trump and i, we had a hell of a journey. i hate it to end this way. oh, my god. i hate it. from my point of view, he's been a consequential president. but today, first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me
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out, enough is enough. >> why now do you think trump has the character to be president again? >> i think he was a consequential president. if you compare his policies to what's going on today, i think he's got a hell of a story to say. that speech was about i'm going to certify the election. here is some things i don't believe. i don't believe the taliban when they say they didn't know zawahiri was in kabul. i don't believe mayorkas when he says the border is secure. i don't believe the election was stolen. i don't believe this new bill is going to lower inflation. that's where i'm at. >> you don't believe the election was stolen. do you want donald trump if he's looking ahead to 2024 to stop saying that? >> i think we should look at election integrity measures to make sure some problems don't happen again. if he runs for president, talking about 2020 is not what people want to hear. he likes hearing it. but people want to hear about how can you secure a broken border, how can you stop rampant crime, what can you do to get the economy back on its feet, and how can you make it safer
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again, how can you stop putin from going further, what would you do with china? that's what people want to hear. here is the good news for republicans. based on the performance of the biden administration, we're in the game at a level i never dreamed of. not so much about people liking us, people are looking for an alternative to what is going on. >> i want to ask senator blumenthal about his potential candidate. it sounds like you're saying point blank donald trump, please stop saying the 2020 election was stolen? >> i'm telling president trump, if you want to be president again in 2024, focus on the problems that americans are living with. >> senator blumenthal, president biden says that he intends to run for re-election in 2024, you heard there is not exactly unanimity in your party. people like chairwoman carolyn maloney said she doesn't think he will run. congressman dean philips says he doesn't want him to run. do you think president biden is the best candidate in 2024? >> i'm going to be very blunt and very honest with you.
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my focus is totally on this november. partly because i am running for re-election. but also i think this november is going to determine how successful president biden is in the next two years and how strong he would be as a ke candidate. we need to elect more democratic senators to ensure he can appoint judges, he can achieve pro-choice legislation, he can continue the forward momentum of the economy, lower inflation. we are making tremendous progress. the inflation reduction act is just one example. the veterans burn pits legislation, which i helped to lead, very important. >> i'm going to ask you about that in one second. your nonanswer is likely going to be perceived as an intentional dodge. you won't say yes, i support president biden, is that where you want it to be? >> i will support president biden -- >> do you want him to run? >> -- if he decides he wants to
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run. and i think his decision will be determined by how november ends for the democratic party and for senators like myself who are running for re-election. >> i will not support president biden. >> you didn't need to say that. >> if trump runs, i would support him. >> senator blumenthal brought up something important, which is we have been talking about a lot of bipartisan accomplishments, the two of you have been a big part of it, but so is president biden, does he get some credit in your view for so much of this legislation that has actually passed? that's what he promised to do, work in a bipartisan way. >> i mean, the infrastructure bill, you're on that, we worked together, the gun thing, we have been working on this for years, we found the sweet spot, we worked on the earn it act, social media sites can be sued if they don't protect children from exploitation. you have to earn it. you have to harden your sites to
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keep from being sued when children in the, you know, predators go after children on the internet. we did that together. he's in cycle. i hate to say this, but i like it. >> him? >> yeah. i don't want to ruin his life here, but, you know, we have found common ground on foreign policy, domestic issues, i'm working to create a regulatory commission to deal with social media problems, so there are plenty of us up there who fight and work together. i just want the country to know that all is not lost in washington. >> well, that's why we have you on. there is a secret sauce here, which we can talk about later, but hopefully we'll be able to do this again. have you both on. because we all agree this is good for the country to see that you can be -- you can disagree without being disagreeable, but also work together where you see those issues -- >> and working together is what the american people really want. >> senators, thank you so much. president biden is on track to sign a big piece of his
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agenda into law. how much is that going to affect democrats on the ballot this november? stacey abrams will be here next. ♪ ♪ you had me at allison® 10-speed transmission. ♪ features available on gmc sierra heavy duty. premium and capable.
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welcome back to "state of the union." most abortions are now illegal in indiana. it is first state to pass a new ban after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, but for some republicans, the abortion issue just got a lot more complicated after kansas voters weighed in and rejected a move that the red state had to roll back abortion rights. my next guest who is on the ballot this fall in georgia is making abortion the key issue
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there. here with me now is the candidate for governor in georgia, stacey abrams. thank you so much. nice to see you in person. a lot to get to. want to start with something that is happening in washington, which is the democrats sweeping tax and climate legislation. a lot of the key aspects of the biden agenda that i know you very much support are not in there. universal pre-k, paid family leave, the expanded child tax credit. what is your reaction and what do you tell democrats who are going to vote in georgia in the fall who say, what about all the promises that they made in washington? i know you're running for governor, but it is about voter intensity. >> we note voting isn't magic, voting is medicine, we have to keep taking it and keep taking it to get the -- secure the ills that ails society. what we are seeing happening in washington right now is that we're tackling two of the key ills. for people in georgia who do not have medicaid expansion, this
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drug bill is going to help a great deal because it is going to allow them to actually be able to afford their medications without choosing between medicine and food. we know that we have to take action on climate. and unfortunatery i live in a state where the governor has been absolutely silent on his intentions. i intend to push for environmental resilience and this is the bill that is going to help us do that. overall, it is going to put money back into the pockets of georgians, americans, and that's the kind of progress we need to continue to make. >> let me ask about the issue that you're putting front and center in your campaign, and that is abortion access. i want to read a promise you made to voters in georgia this week. you said, quote, as the next governor i will make it safe and legal to have abortions in georgia. just so everybody knows, the law of the land now in jrgeorgia is abortion is banned after six weeks. but you know better than anybody that the role of the governor is limited. you have to work with the legislature. and it is a very republican legislature right now.
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so how will you keep that promise, if you win? >> i searched for 11 years in the legislature, seven years as the minority leader and i was extraordinarily successful. i probably am the only person to get an a rating from the georgia chamber of commerce and the friend of labor award. i understand how to negotiate and how to navigate. what i also understand is that the majority of georgians do not like this law. it is an extreme ban. it is dangerous. and it affects women across the spectrum. the bill passed in 2019 by one vote in the house. i believe we will come back into power, when i take the governorship, with people who want to do what's right for the women of georgia. this is an economic issue this is a healthcare issue, this is a liberty issue and i absolutely believe we can fix this law. >> again, this is -- what happened in kansas is something that went to the voters. didn't go through the legislators, it was a ballot initiative. that doesn't exist in georgia. you have to convince legislators where right now republicans hold 61% of the seats in the senate,
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57% of the seats in the house there. >> electing me as governor is going to be a sea change and a strong signal to the remaining legislators that they have got to do right by the women of georgia. this law as it stands right now will investigate women for being -- for miscarriage or pregnancy laws. it tells women that they are in danger of going to jail if they are found to have committed some type of fetuscide if they are drinking a glass of wine because we have now granted personhood, we don't know what this law means and that means that women are in danger, they're in danger of losing their liberties, in danger of not having their healthcare. and i believe should i be elected because this issue is so important on every metric, i will absolutely be able to make changes in the legislature. >> on that note, the georgia department of revenue announced last week that georgians can now claim an unborn child as a dependent on their state taxes. would you overturn that if you become governor? absolutely. and that's part of my point about a woman being under
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investigation. granting personhood to an embryo or or fetus means a woman could be charged with murder if something happens. we don't know what this means. we don't know how far it can be taken. but we do know this governor has said he wants to pursue a total ban, eliminating exceptions for rape and incest. that this legislature without a governor to veto excesses that go even beyond this dangerous ban will put women in jeopardy. georgia has 82 counties without an obgyn. we have 18 counties without a family doctor, and we're telling women that they have to undergo a traumatic experience without having access to medical care, medical services, or the leadership of a governor who believes in their human rights. >> you're a christian. you're the daughter two of retired united methodist pastors. some democrats, joe biden is a good example, have had a complicated sort of relationship or conflict between their faith and the abortion policy.
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some christians, as you know, they believe that life begins at conception. i'm just wondering how you think about your faith with regard to this policy. >> i have thought about my faith a great deal. i was anti-abortion until i went to college. and there i met a friend who has my shared faith values, but we started having conversations about what reproductive care and abortion care really is. and when i talk about that, it was an experience that i had because she was able to give me a different perspective and over the course of the next few years, i started thinking about what role should the legislature play, what role should government play? this is healthcare. this is about a woman's right to control her body. this is about a woman's right to experience and determine her future. and that, for me, as a matter of faith, means i don't impose those value systems on others. more importantly i protect her rights. i protect her humanity and that should be my responsibility. >> so quick political question, the democrat running for
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governor in south carolina, joe cunningham, said he does not think president biden should run for a second term. listen to what he said. >> who could blame these kids for not showing up at the polls when they have to choose between two 70-year-olds or 80-year-olds for president of the united states. i said that president biden should not run for another term. and i won't support his run for another term because i think it is time for a new generation of leadership. >> should president biden run again in 2024? >> if he chooses to run again, i am there to support him. but my mission is to win this election in 2022. the strongest predictor of what will happen in '24 is governors across this country winning on the values of protecting a women's right to choose, reducing gun violence, making certain we have an economy that is strong and i intend to be that governor for the graeat state of georgia. >> he called you and said should i run? what would you say? >> i would say do your best job
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and our focus needs to be on what is happening. if he runs again, i will support him. my ability is to make certain we protect women and i encourage people to go to my website to learn more about my plans to protect women and the people of georgia against an extreme agenda being run by our current governor. >> stacey abrams, thank you for coming in. nice to see you in person. >> likewise. we invited stacey abrams' opponent brian kemp on the show this week. he declined but we hope to interview him ahead of the midterms. up next, a big meeting for conservative activists this weekend and a glimpse of what that might mean for the future of the gop and the republic. that's next. a fast walker. thanks, gary. and for unexpected heartburn... frank is a fan of pepcid. it works in minutes. nexium 24 hour and prilosec otc can take one to four days to fully work. pepcid. strong relief for fans of fast.
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senate democrats began this majority by promising to tackle the biggest challenges facing our country. inflation reduction act will make good on that promise and in the end, it will be the american people who benefit from the work we do here and now. >> and we're back with our panel as you just heard. the senate is still debating, but getting closer to final passage of this bill. i want to just even look more broadly beyond this bill, and look at some of president
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biden's successes on his agenda. it is a long list and i don't even have time to read it. it is that long. but not only are we talking about now, $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill, bipartisan gun safety bill, veterans, so on and so forth. i'll start with you, congressman. i know this is something you want to talk about, which is understandable, and then we'll do the yeah, but, after. >> i think it has been a great week for president biden. he took out the leader of al qaeda, he's on the verge of passing his storic legislation to lower your healthcare costs, invest in fighting climate change, also address the deficit. so it has been a fantastic week. we have gotten a lot done in the two years with extremely narrow majorities. and you know that. how difficult that is to work with. got a 50/50 senate, three-vote margin in the house and still able to get a lot done. we can get even more done and get more democrats elected after this november. >> he has a point. >> some of the stuff on your list, i think, had good solid bipartisan support. some of the stuff i would hesitate to call a win.
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this bill they're passing today, they named it the inflation reduction act, and even bernie sanders went down to the floor to remind all of his colleagues this does noting about inflation. that is the top issue in the country. it is not even close. we have a pollster here, she'll tell you that. and so i think that they have a branding problem. when democrats go to the polls to argue for their program and they say, we passed an inflation reduction act and people are looking at their grocery bills and they haven't gone down, they might hold them accountable for it. >> talked about the pollster, i want to say, kristin anderson, you look at the numbers, you're a republican pollster. is this enough to change the narrative or change how people feel, like what scott was talking about? >> passing a bill alone i don't think changes things. it will matter entirely -- does it affect people's bottom lines at home? we're still seeing two-thirds of americans believe the economy is getting worse. biden's job approval rating has been pretty low even in the face of all of those pieces of legislation that you just mentioned. and so while congress may be doing things, do the voters
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actually like what congress is doing remains an open question. some of this is also because there are pieces of the democratic coalition that have not been very enthused by the biden presidency thus far. perhaps this changes things. but i think there is a big question, does that persist all the way through to november. >> something getting a lot of buzz this morning is "the new york times" columnist maureen dowd saying president biden should take a victory and ride off into the sunset. the timing of your exit can determine your place in the history books. this is the moment for biden to decide if all of this is fuel for re-election campaign when he will be 81, 82 on inauguration day, or a legacy on which to rest. >> first, i would say if joe biden runs for president, i will support him. i also think we really have to see what happens this november because there are inflation is on the ballot, we know gas prices are going down, so i think that will afect people's bottom line, we also know issues
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like gun reform, yes, they passed a bipartisan bill, but we still are seeing mass shootings, abortion, child care, all of these things that actually do impact people's bottom line are on the ballot as well. and while joe biden's approval rating might be low, he's not on the ballot this november. there are members of congress, there is a senate and if we can actually expand the margins, and a lot of people, i remember, a couple of months ago, we talked and i said i'm still hopeful democrats can be successful in november and i think we're at a pivot moment and i think you will see that the shellacking that people have been talking about for the last year, i don't think it is going to happen, because republicans are not delivering for people either. they're being obstructionists and people want to see washington get things done. and your party is not doing it. >> couple of things, a big chunk of the stuff on the list they just put on the screen was passed with several republican votes in the senate. they have voted with biden and the democrats on issues that they thought made sense and voted against it hwhen they thought it made sense.
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blumenthal this morning, stacey abrams, all these democrats, this is not a hard question. i don't want to have to give you advice because we're not on the same side of the ball here, but there is only one answer to this, if you're a partisan -- if you're a loyal democrat, you say, yes, of course he should run, but you can't do it and that ought to tell you all you need to know, american people, about how his own party feels about the president. >> no, i won't guy that. we have -- forgive me, we have somebody on the ballot here. >> i find it kind of funny, actually. this is a guy who knocked off an incumbent president, got the most votes ever for president, passed -- you're talking about the bipartisan legislation they passed, that's also what the american people want him to do as president. he's done a great job. and if he decides to run, of course he should be the nominee and we will all get behind him. >> do you want him to run? >> i do. >> there you go. >> i think he's done a good job in the first two years if we give him more margins in the congress, we'll do even more. >> that's a good place to turn to the republicans.
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the cpac conference was in texas this weekend. i want to play some of the rhetoric that came off the stage. >> we are at war. we're at a political and ideological war. we have the ability to shatter, shatter the democratic party as a national political institution. >> the militant left wing in our country has become the enemy within. what the militant left is now proposing is not simply wrong, it is evil. >> is that something that is going to appeal to republican voters, particularly in what is left of the swing districts or the purple states in the senate? >> i think it is very -- i encourage people to take caution when it comes to what is said at a conference, somewhere, and to what extent that's representative -- >> rick scott is in charge of getting republicans elected to the senate, he's not -- >> sure. i think in general you have a lot of republican voters who are -- they're of the mind that
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things aren't terrible in the united states. this is something they have believed all the way back, remember when donald trump was first inaugurated, talked about american carnage, republicans have believed that america is on the wrong track in a very powerful and visceral way for a while. voters in the center are a little bit with them, not 100% on how and why we got there, but right now i'm seeing things like right track, wrong track numbers. while i don't think you can look at something like cpac and say that's what every republican thinks, there is a palpable sense the country is in deep trouble and still needs transformation. >> look, we don't agree on much, we disagreed at this table. it is not right to go and say, you're the enemy. you're the enemy. we're all americans. we can agree on virtually nothing, we're not enemies. and i don't think this rhetoric is -- it might serve you well in a primary, i guess, but at a general election, i don't city. >> nice place to end this.
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