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of sportsmanship, and it happened at a little league championship game in waco, texas. it was the bottom of the first inning when texas east pitcher katen shellton accidentally hit an opponent in the helmet. jarvis was knocked to the ground. moments later there was this touching scene. jarvis walks over to shellton to console him. see that? texas went on to win the game 9-4. perhaps we all can be heartened by the sportsmanship some of the young in in country are displaying. thanks so much for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with new reporting and new details on the search of the former president's florida mansion. new word tonight that the secret service was told in advance that the fbi would be going in. also what the basis for the search was and how concerns about national security played into the decision. so there's a lot of new details, which serves as an antidote to a
day's worth of speculation and partisan conspiracy theories and warnings of violence. let's go to our reporter, cnn's pamela brown and kaitlan collins. kaitlan, what more are you learning about the type of documents that were recovered in the search and what they may have related to? sorry, couldn't get kaitlan yet. pamela, you've been reporting on what triggered this search, namely concerns about what the former president and had not already turned over to the federal government, the questions about the truthfulness of his representatives. what else do you know? >> reporter: remember, this investigation had been going on for more than a year, and in june the fbi met with some of donald trump's representatives at mar-a-lago, saw the room where some of these additional documents were being held, sent a letter after saying it should be padlocked. the bottom line is i'm told through a source familiar is that the fbi believed that donald trump and his representatives hadn't turned over everything that it should have or it was required to that
belonged to the government. we know previously the national archives had taken 15 boxes from mar-a-lago, including classified information. and so in this case, the fbi executed the search warrant, i'm told, because of that fact, that they believe there were additional documents there, some classified, that belong to the government. and that there were national security implications, and it went beyond just concerns that some of these documents could be marked as classified, but that there could be national security implications. i'm also told by this source that there was concern that trump's representatives weren't completely truthful with investigators over the course of this investigation. so there were certainly a couple of factors at play, but i do want to be transparent. while we do know some of this information that's coming out now, what we don't know right now, anderson, is whether donald trump is the target of an investigation for mishandling classified information, whether this was simply a case of the fbi wanting to make sure these
documents went into safe hands, and twe simply don't have the answers to those questions. i can go ahead and tell you donald trump's teams will be arguing that he had the authority to declassify information as president. >> kaitlan, did people in the former president's orbit have any indication that this investigation, which had been ongoing for months, could be ramping up? >> reporter: no. they were actually caught quite off guard on this based on what we've heard from sources, which is that over the last several months, they had essentially come to this belief that this investigation into whether or not the former president mishandled classified information had stalled. they had not actually seen any movement based on what we have heard from sources. that's remarkable given we do report yesterday that two months ago was when investigators made that very rare visit to mar-a-lago where they met with two of trump's attorneys. they were shown the room where these documents were being held, the ones that he had not turned over to the national archives after they had turned over about a dozen or so boxes, anderson. that was a room that the justice
department asked them to further secure, and they put a padlock on the door to do so. of course, that was a padlock that was broken off when this search warrant was carried out yesterday. so it's very clear that this investigation had not actually stalled, and it's not clear why they believed that. but that is what we were hearing from them. that does seem to be why there was a measure of surprise in trump's orbit in this matter. >> pam, is it known how many boxes of documents the former president initially took with him to mar-a-lago? >> 15 boxes went to the national archives and an attorney for trump told "the washington post" today that fbi agents took around a dozen boxes from mar-a-lago after executes this search warrant. and so this is a lot of -- these are a lot of documents that were taken from the white house. now, how many were actually classified, how many were, you know, implicated national security, how many had trump declassified when he was in the white house -- these are the questions we have, and we don't have answers to them. and i think it is important to
point out that there's still a lot we don't know about what was in these boxes taken from mar-a-lago. >> pamela brown, kaitlan collins, appreciate it. there is more breaking news. the fbi today seizing the cell phone of a republican congressman who is best known for pushing a bogus conspiracy theory about the 2020 election. his name is scott perry. cnn's sara murray joins us now with more on that story. so what is scott perry saying tonight? well, he put out a lengthy statement describing what happened. he said, this morning while traveling with my family, three fbi agents visited me and seized my cell phone. he goes on to say this cell phone is full of information about political activities, personal and private discussions, legislative activities, things he says that the government has no business looking into. what we don't know is what the fbi is investigating that led them to scott perry's cell phone. we know that perry was, you know, integral in pushing donald trump's claims of election fraud. we know that he actually introduced the former president to jeffrey clark, who was the department of justice official who was little known at the time, who was willing to go
along with donald trump's election fraud claims and willing to try to stage a coup essentially at the justice department. so it's not clear if it is perhaps related to that. we reported earlier this summer that jeffrey clark's home was searched, so he's been under scrutiny from investigators. the other thing we don't know about what's going on with scott perry's phone is what investigators will be able to get from it. cnn previously reported that perry had had a number of discussions with mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff, and in those discussions, they used an encrypted messaging app. so we don't know if those messages could still be on his phone. >> they used signal, wasn't it? >> reporter: right. we don't know if those could stim be on scott perry's phones and if that's what investigators were looking for or something else yaaltogether. a big deal they're coming for a sitting congressman's cell phone. >> i want to get perspective now on the legal and political impacts of all these stories. joining us tonight is cnn chief national correspondent and inside politics anchor john
king, cnn legal analyst elliot williams, and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. how significant are these new details? the search came after suspicions of withheld materials, that documents at mar-a-lago had national security implications. >> well, we have more of a sketch now. we still don't have key information. what do they mean by national security implications? how many documents? what do they relate to? but we now at least have a broader sketch of the urgency that convinced the fbi and then the justice department, all the way up to the attorney general, to take this unprecedented step, to serve a search warrant at the home of the former president of the united states. look, make no mistake about it, anderson. at some point, the justice department will face a credibility test both in court and in public opinion. that day should not be today. we are early in an investigation or we're at some point in an investigation where the justice department says it can't talk to us just yet. but the fact that they took the extraordinary nature suggests this was a 15-month process. many communications with trump and with his lawyers, including
a meeting in june that the former president stopped in. so something happened between june and august where the fbi saw a reason -- we don't know the specifics -- to believe something was at risk, some document was at threat. and just very quickly on this point that trump has the power to declassify records, that's true, a, but there's a process. and, b, even if he declassified everything, they don't belong to him. the records act is very clear. the documents belong to the american people and they go to the national archives, period. >> it's also remarkable, john king, based on his criticism of others over the years on handling emails or, you know, alleged security violations. >> if you're looking for intellectual consistency here, anderson, you came to the wrong town in the sense that if you listen to donald trump and you listen to his republican allies, they remember hillary clinton should be about six years into her prison sentence at leavenworth because she set up a server at home that might have sensitive information go through
it, that it was possible the chinese or russians could hack into. they raised that at the point. that was a judgment error by secretary clinton. i'm not here to defend hillary clinton's email server. but donald trump, should he run for president of the united states again, donald trump is innocent. the justice department is overstretching. this is political use of the investigative powers. there is zero intellectual consistency in trump's argument or that of his republican allies at the moment. >> elliot, from a legal perspective, what do these developments tell you? >> i think the newest development today is this idea of people in trump's orbit not being honest or candid or forthcoming with information when asked. look, it is a crime to give a false statement to a law enforcement officer. that doesn't have to be under oath or sworn or, you know, when we're talking about perjury or something like that. if an agent is trying to find out where documents are and you lie to that agent, that is a crime. in addition to that, anderson, of course there's the raft of possible crimes that might be investigated here involving sort of mishandling or mutilating or tearing up documents and so on. so the newest thing today by far
is this allegation of dishonesty. but, again, all of these crimes that we're talking about possibly being investigated are incredibly serious and reason for concern and alarm. >> gloria, i understand you have some new reporting about how the search could be pushing the former president to speed up a 2024 announcement. >> right. a group of my colleagues and i are reporting this evening that some top republicans who have spent an awful lot of time these past months trying to tell donald trump, don't declare for the presidency until after the midterm elections because they were worried he was going to be a divisive figure, are now changing their minds and that even one top republican has called him up, at least one, and said, you know, i'm really thinking you ought to do it now. and the reason is that the republican party, it seems, has been so united with him, and they believe that there is another issue for them to talk about aside from the 2020 election, which was donald trump's favorite issue, but now
this could become his issue, and he can portray himself as the victim, as the leader of people who feel victimized in this country and don't like the deep state, and that this would give their people more momentum than, in fact, the democrats might have, say, because of the roe-wade decision or they're sick of donald trump, so they're now changing their times. >> john, there's new reporting from "the new york times" tonight that the former president dismissed a push from some of his advisers today to fly back to mar-a-lago and immediately announce a new presidential campaign. >> look, this calculation, a, do you take advantage of the outrage among your supporters to announce now? the midterm elections, anderson, are 90 days away. i think any speculation about how this could impact 2024 let alone 2022 is premature. three months ago the democrats were in a mess. now the democrats are in better shape. that's just this year. but the idea that trump could play victim and use this to
somehow block out rivals in 2024, that's the thinking of some of his people. that is because they play on the power of grievance, and now they believe they have a grievance. but we have no facts on the table. so that is their political calculation. if he announces he's running for president now, it changes how he can raise money, how he can move around the country. so it gives him some benefits in claiming political grievance and claiming i'm a candidate, the justice department shouldn't chase me down. this has been an ongoing drama in trump land. today it is he should rush home and announce. there will be another story tomorrow and eventually he'll say something, and that's when we'll start the clock. >> elliot, is it accurate that the former president and his legal team would get a copy of the warrant which he could release to the public? isn't the warrant required to list everything they anticipate finding or can some of it be sealed? >> the warrant is just an administrative document that says, we believe there's evidence of a crime here. it's got the signature on it. but the good stuff, anderson, that you're talking about, is in
the affidavits and applications for the warrant. now, look, he gets an inventory of all of the materials that were seized from his property. if he really is saying that these are declassified or unimportant documents or just, you know, mementos from his trip to funlainland, he can release . but all of the documentation that really digs in as to what the public wants to see isn't going to be seen either until someone is charged with a crime or the basis for keeping it secret goes away and when an investigation is closed. >> gloria, i mean, do you believe that this will have an impact on the midterms or too soon to tell? we don't know what's come of this. >> i think it's really too soon to tell other than when you talk to republicans who are saying -- one republican who's very close to donald trump said to me today, i have not seen the party this unified behind something in a long time. i mean, when do you see desantis and pence on the same page
defending trump? and they believe that there is enough of a lead time that this could affect and could motivate republican voters, which they've been kind of worried about, particularly if donald trump were to announce because he's been so divisive. but it's early as john was saying, and we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out. >> yeah. >> the advantage they have, of course, is that the justice department isn't going to say anything in return. >> yeah. >> so they can punch and punch and punch, and it's very likely that the justice department will stay silent. >> gloria borger, john king, elliot williams, thank you. next, a former federal judge who signed off on numerous search warrants during her time on bench joins us. and later, senate majority leader chuck schumer on the string of legislative victories for the current president now somewhat overshadowed by all the news on the former president. discover intuitive technology at the lexus g golden opportunity sales event.
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motivated by the belief that the former president or his team were holding on to government documents, which according to our source, had national security implications. as according to the source, there was also suspicion after months of discussion on the matter that the former president's representatives were not being completely truthful with investigators. joining us now, former federal judge nancy gertner. she's currently a senior lecturer at harvard law school. i understand you reviewed search warrants as part of your duties while on the federal bench. can you just walk us through what standard has to be met and how that may undermine some of the accusations out there from the former president and his allies flying around today? >> well, there has to be a sworn document, and if someone lies in the document, then there could be consequences for lying for false statements. so the agent has to come and give you an affidavit. sometimes there could be sworn testimony, but usually it's an affidavit. and the affidavit will say, "i
have probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence of that crime will be found in the place that i want to search." and then he has to show or she has to show -- describe the place to be searched and the evidence to be seized, and the code word in the law is "with particularity." so they can't say, hey, something wrong is going on at mar-a-lago. i want to go in. they have to describe what the crimes are that they think have taken place, and they have to describe, you know, that the crimes have taken place there, and they have to describe what they're searching for and the place to be searched and the things to be seized with some specificity. now, a judge relies on what the agents tell them, and, you know, as we've seen in the breonna taylor case, the agents may not -- may not necessarily be telling the truth. but frankly, in a case like
this, with the levels of review and the likely level of a garland review, i imagine that every "i" has been dotted and "t" crossed. >> you would think that merrick garland himself would have looked at the application for the search warrant? >> not only do i think that just because it's the president involved, but from my understanding when people are working for garland and from what i know of him, he's a micromanager. i mean some of the frustration with the pace of investigations are precisely because he's a micromanager. so it would be inconceivable that he didn't sign off on this search warrant, this affidavit, and this decision. >> and how strong a case would have had to be made to this judge in order to get the judge to agree? >> well, the judge is just making -- the judge has to understand that they're investigating a crime, right? it's not just ordinary misconduct. here, the likely crime is violation of the presidential
records act and inappropriate handling or retention of classified documents. so you have to know that a crime has taken place. it's not some, you know, just itinerant misconduct. and the judge would have to know that -- have to be seeing the evidence of the probable cause to believe that a crime has taken place. what would the probable cause look like? i'm just speculating as we all are, right? so if the national archives have a document and they're missing page 8, on their face the documents would make it clear that something was missing. then there's a story which i imagine would be in the affidavit of the fbi visit to mar-a-lago in june, this past june, in which they saw where the documents are kept. now, the question is did they see something at that time that made it clear that what was in there was more than just an occasional memento from kim jong-un and something more substantial than that? so the judge has to look at the
evidence that's given to him to see if there was probable cause to believe that a crime had been committed. so that's what -- i mean, obviously you rely on the information you're given. >> is the warrant a sign that documents were at risk of being destroyed? >> well, it's very interesting. i mean, clearly there could have been a subpoena to a grand jury where you send the subpoena to trump's lawyers, and you really rely and you trust them to turn over everything. clearly -- and, again, i'm speculating -- something happened here that led the agents and the doj to believe that in the ordinary course, documents were not going to be turned over and that, therefore, they had to take the step of a search warrant. now, they really don't have to justify going to a search warrant, right? there's no legal justification. you can use a search in place of a subpoena. but i'm assuming that to take
this step, there had to be some reason to believe that documents were not being preserved or that they were not being truthful. let me just add one thing because this is driving me nuts. this is not in my lane as a federal judge, but the notion that the doj -- that the white house would have been involved in this makes no sense. this was a week that the democrats were doing a victory lap, and the last thing they wanted to do was to have the coverage taken over by the search of mar-a-lago. and that alone suggests to me that this had been an independent decision of the doj and an independent decision of garland. >> judge nancy gertner, really fascinating. i appreciate it. coming up, the historical parallels that the former president is attempting to draw between the fbi search of mar-a-lago and the watergate break-in. i'll speak with cnn political analyst carl bernstein, who did much of the original reporting, of course, on the watergate break-in, the scandal, and
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again, our breaking news. according to a source, the search of mar-a-lago came after authorities believed the former president or his team failed to return materials that were government property, and it was believed the documents had national security implications. now, the search warrant pertained to both the handling of classified documents and the
presidential records act. the law was established after president nixon's watergate scandal. now, in another historical parallel, the mar-a-lago search came on the 48th anniversary of nixon's resignation. meantime, in a statement yesterday, the former president proceeded to kind of mangle watergate history. quoting now, what is the difference, he said, between this and watergate where operatives broke into the democrat national committee? here now in reverse, democrats broke into the home of the 45th president of the united states. joining us now, carl bernstein, also former nixon white house counsel john dean. carl, what is your reaction first of all to the search and what you're hearing from people in the former president's orbit? >> well, first, this is a deadly serious matter. in the view of even former top officials of the trump administration. i spoke today to one of the senior most intelligence
officials throughout the trump presidency, and the point he made without knowing what these materials are is that it is virtually impossible in his view that the fbi and the justice department would take this action without knowledge or belief that the materials contained the most sensitive national security information, of real magnitude, that this could not be done unless there was reason to believe that the national security could be grievously injured if these documents got out. it's not just in this person's view, but it's speculative that this would be about the lawyers not being totally truthful but, rather, not being truthful or that there is knowledge that the government now has that what is being withheld is of serious, serious importance. >> john, was this a reverse watergate break-in as the former president was saying? >> not even close, anderson.
this was authorized. it was an authorized court proceeding to search and seize materials, and obviously as carl says, they were important materials. wa watergate was a bungled break-in by a bunch of actually clowns in a way in their effort to get into the democratic national committee and repair a bug and take some photographs after having been earlier in the democratic national committee. very different parallels. and trump referring to watergate, of course, focuses on the break-in. and water gamegate became so mu more than a bungled break-in. it became a cover-up. it became an abuse of presower. >> i think that they're both
very principled, and leaders in the justice department after nixon fired -- in the saturday night massacre, he fired the leaders of the justice department, and those leaders were pursuing the case against nixon with great independence. similarly, merrick garland here is trying to follow, as far as we know, where the leads go with suggestions, and probably more than suggestions, that a crime has been committed. he would never have done this unless there were evidence of a crime having been committed and by donald trump and those around him. and similarly in watergate, you had the situation where the officials who were fired by the president of the united states had similar beliefs about where the case was going against richard nixon and the cover-up. >> john, do you believe that just searching for, you know,
classified documents that the president may have taken from the white house when he left would be enough for the fbi to decide to do this? >> it depends upon the content of the documents. there could be some very se seriously compromisable material and national security data, blueprints. who knows what is there? but there are even documents apparently that are so highly classified that their classification is classified. so they can't even list some of the material that they have acquired in this search. so, yes, i think there can be stuff that can affect the united states. it can show sources and methods. national security has long been an area of particular attention, and the national archives, since the presidential records act, has been very aggressive in
going after former staff, never to reach a president before, but former staff or people, very senior political people. sandy berger, who was the national security adviser in the clinton administration. general petraeus who was writing a book. they've all experienced what happens if you misuse classified material. and so this is not unprecedented. it has just never reached a president ever abusing his power and taking material like this that we're dealing with. >> john dean, carl bernstein, thank you. just ahead, we're going to take you to the scene outside mar-a-lago. randi kaye and how the president's most ardent supporters reacted to the news of the fbi search, next.t.
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first, 360's randi kaye joins us from outside mar-a-lago tonight. a lot of people have been gathering outside mar-a-lago in support of the former president. what have you been hearing from folks there? >> reporter: a much larger group earlier today, some of them still hanging around tonight. almost everyone we spoke with is very angry about the fact that the fbi came here to mar-a-lago just yesterday. they believe -- they didn't say what the basis for this was, but they believe that donald trump has been cooperating with the department of justice, which is investigating the handling of presidential records and presidential documents. they don't think that it was a good idea for the fbi to come to mar-a-lago, especially when the former president wasn't even home. here's what else some of his supporters told me. >> they don't want the truth. that's the bottom line. they don't want the truth. >> you don't think that's why they came here to mar-a-lago to try to find out the truth? >> no. they are scared to death of donald trump. >> it's just a show. this is like maybe impeachment number four here for trump. that's all it is.
that's what i think. i mean, they didn't get it the first time, the russian thing. they didn't get it the second time, right, with ukraine. they didn't get it the third time with january 6th. i think they're running -- they know they're running out of time there. they raid a home, and cnn cameras are there, and some of his past people. they know what's going on. it's all for a show, to make trump so he cannot run again. >> you don't think that there was a real reason to come here? you think it's just a show? >> it's not even think. i know there's no real reason. i know it in my heart. i know it is my spirit. he has never lied about anything. >> reporter: all right. well, we know that isn't true. when i quickly pointed out to her just as an example that the former president's still claiming that he won the 2020 election, she continued to say he has never lied. also, anderson, it's worth noting that many of the supporters were saying to me that the fbi and the department of justice are corrupt. i was quick to point out to them that it was donald trump who appointed christopher wray as
director of the fbi, but they continued to say that he was corrupt. we also talked about hillary clinton's emails. i reminded them that it was donald trump who called for an investigation into her classified emails, but the irony was lost on them. they continued to say that he didn't do anything wrong, and she did. anderson. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. perspective now on what we just saw from cnn's donie o'sullivan, who has attended many of the president's former rallies. and cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin, who served in the previous administration as director of strategic communications. donie, what have you been seeing online from the former president's supporters? >> on one popular pro-trump website last night after that news broke, people commenting lock and load. one said, garland needs to be assassinated, as simple as that. some saying kill all feds. i think some people will ask why are we talking about some
anonymous threats made on the internet, that website is one of the same websites where many people were talking about plans for january 6th in advance of the attack on the capitol. people discussing how to attack police officers. and we know people who are lurking in these websites -- on these websites are not -- are people who sometimes go off and do these acts. i want to show you another post. this one was a top comment under that lock and load post. somebody asked, are we not in a cold civil war at this point? now, the person who actually posted that advance democracy, which is a nonprofit that does a lot of public research, was actually able to tie that account back to a u.s. capitol rioter, somebody who has actually been convicted, and even last night they were posting this kind of talk about civil war. you can see why this kind of stuff matters. of course it is very difficult
to tell what is a serious threat. >> alyssa, what impact do you think this raid is going to have on some of the most extreme of the former president's supporters? >> well, i think that, you know, donie's reporting is excellent of what some of these fringe figures who themselves could be or have been radicalized are saying. but i'd also look to the very prominent republicans and what they've said. so mark levin, one of the biggest right-wing talk show hosts in the country, said this was the worst attack on the republic in his lifetime. never mind 9/11 or many other tragedies. and even elected officials across the board, republicans have come out and condemned this, said this is banana republic kind of nonsense, demonizing law enforcement and the fbi. so that trickles down to supporters of the president's, to the fringe who themselves may become radicalized. i would note too the republican study committee, the biggest conservative bloc in the house of representatives, took a group of members up to bedminster tonight to show their support for the former president, all while we don't even know what
this warrant entailed, what the underlying potential alleged crime was. they're saying, we know it's not true. the fbi was wrong, and we're in solidarity with the president. so politically, donald trump's actually in the probably strongest position he's been in, in some time. but the rhetoric around it is very scary. >> donie, are federal officials, others concerned about sort of potential for how this -- what the ripple effects -- >> that it might translate into real violence? our colleague was speaking to a congressional security source. she said sortly after that news broke last night that the u.s. capitol police were talking about plans of if this could convert into violence. and as alyssa mentioned there, look, a lot of these threats, a lot of this very charged rhetoric is being made on major social media platforms. but since january 6th, we have seen so many of the maga world move to alternative social media platforms given that trump and others got kicked off right after january 6th. so that's another challenge as well to monitor these threats.
>> alyssa, what do you make of the reporting that some of the president's advisers wanted him to fly to mar-a-lago today to announce his candidacy according to "the new york times," that is? >> and i believe that reporting to be true. there's been talk in trump world since before this raid of him announcing in august or september to get ahead of the several different investigations into him -- georgia, new york, and of course the january 6th and doj investigations. there are some in his inner circle that i believe are telling him this is the moment. i mean, even other contenders for 2024, ron desantis, mike pence, mike pompeo, put out statements defending trump after this raid took place. so i think they want to kind of capture the moment, hone in, and the thought is it kind of boxes in doj if he's an announced candidate. that really tests that line of, well, can you indict a former president or someone who is running again for president? i think the former president's yet to make a decision, but i wouldn't be shocked if he ends
up announcing sooner. >> do you think this will make it more likely he runs? >> i do think so. i think so. i feel when he feels the legal walls closing in, i think that he wants that mantle of power back, of being in the white house, of overseeing these agencies, frankly of carrying out his retaliation for them once he's in office. you've seen rhetoric from those closely aligned to him about how they want to gut the fbi. they want to gut the doj. they want to kick out the deep state, meaning, you know, career professionals who do their job. so i think he's more motivated than ever to run. >> yeah, and that is what they're calling the deep state, career professionals who want to do their jobs. alyssa farah griff un, thank you. coming up, i'll be joined by senate majority leader chuck schumer. we'll get his reaction plus the recent string of legislative victories from democrats, including a major spending bill on health care and clean energy.
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as we learn more about the details of the fbi search of mar-a-lago democrats are equally focused on a string of legislative victories they hope can boost their chances in the months leading into the midterms, including the chips l bill signed into law by president biden. senate democrats are also celebrating the passage of another major bill, what they call the inflation reduction act. the house is expected to take it up friday before the president can sign it. the bill touches on a wide array of democratic priorities, hundreds of billions for clean energy initiatives and clean energy subsidies. for the first time it allows medicare the power to negotiate prices for certain drugs. senate majority leader chuck schumer joins us now. i appreciate you being with us. i'll get to the inflation reduction act in a moment, but
we've seen your republican colleagues calling for investigations into the fbi and doj after the search of mar-a-lago. senator hawley called for merrick garland to resign or be impeached. >> look, i am not commenting until further information comes out. i think it's premature for anybody to comment. we don't exactly know what's there yet. >> on the inflation reduction act, a lot is in the bill, major initiatives to tackle drugs, the climate. what do you think americans would notice first, what would have an effect on their lives immediately? >> well, pretty soon, for instance, the price of drugs will be limited. insulin for medicare patients will go down to $35 a month. right now it's 6, 7, $800. so many millions of senior
citizens and others can't afford the insulin yet they desperately need it because so many have diabetes. and starting next year, early next year, no one will pay more than $2,000 for prescription drugs. so many people have these illnesses and they have these wonderful pills but they cost $500 or $1,000 a pill and they don't know what to do. it will now be limited to $2,000 maximum payment. those will take effect right away. some of the energy changes are going to take effect quite soon too. for instance, the focus on clean energy will mean that your electric bill will go down around $1,000 by 2030. it means that appliances will cost a lot less than they have before. and immediately, in 2023, the tax code will become fairer because a lot of the big corporations who paid no taxes will start paying them and individuals will finally be audited. the trump administration did a despicable thing, they basically didn't audit anyone who made
over $1 million. it was despicable. we have put money in for more auditors and only for people who earn above $400,000. a lot of these loopholes where wealthy people use them to get away with paying less taxes are going away. >> carbon emissions are reduced by 40% by 2030. how will this bill enable those reductions? >> yes, it's across the board, many different things. first, clean power will get incentives. if your electricity, which is about 30, 40%, your power, of our carbon emissions, will become much more focused on clean power. water, solar, wind. that will happen. electric cars will become more available. and of course they're far less
polluting than our present internal combustion engines. and there will be all kinds of programs that will reduce carbon going into the atmosphere for agriculture, for big industrial factors and many things like that. so this is amazing. the original bbb bill, anderson, called for 45% reduction. for this bill, which of course i had to compromise with joe manchin on, still produces a 40% reduction, far and away the most significant thing we've done against global warming ever, by legions, by a whole lot. >> we've seen a lot about the provisions that senators manchin and sinema insisted on. were there any part of this bill that had to be included or you would lose the support of your ca caucus? >> i think we had to have a program that aimed at making average people's lives better, by reducing inflation, reducing their costs, making drugs cost
less. even though senator manchin added some provisions into the bill that i don't like and that many of us don't like, we had a north star. 40% reduction of carbon into the atmosphere by 2030. we stuck with those. politics is the art of getting something done. mitch mcconnell is focused on getting nothing done, he's proud of the legislative graveyard. it takes tremendous persistence. my father taught me, he passed away in november, if you persist and don't give up, he said god would reward you. the bottom line is if you persists, you can get it done. our caucus persisted. we reached main cul-de-sacs and dead ends but we kept at it and we got a great bill, one of the most significant in decades. >> the chips act signed by the president, the inflation reduction act, july's ratings
had president biden polling at the lowest of his presidency. do you think you've done enough to convince voters that democrats should remain in control of congress? >> anderson, people are seeing the republican party's extremes. the supreme court decisions on abortion, on guns, on the environment. the rhetoric, the kind of angry, almost anti-democra demo-democr coming out of the republican party. could democrats get something done? the i.r.a., the chips and science pact, we put the p.a.c.t. act together, the best advancement for veterans in 20 years, we did something on guns for the first time in 30 years that reduces violence, we did the nato bill. all of those things in six weeks was marvelous accomplishments on
various different fronts. people are going to see, democrats can get something done even with a 50/50 margin in a caucus that runs from bernie sanders to joe manchin, not an easy job but we did it. >> majority leader schumer, i'm sorry about the death of your father. what a blessing to have had him in your life for so long. >> thank you. he's still here, giving us guidance. he's still here, giving us guidance, anderson. >> we could all use some guidance. senator, thank you. an update on 8-year-old cooper roberts who was paralyzed during the highland park shooting, next. it never looked or felt like real food. but with the farmer's dog you can see the pieces of turkey. it s smells like actual food. i saw a difference almost overnight. healthy poops, healthy dog, right? as he's aged, he's still quite energetic and youthful. i really attribute that to diet. you know, he's my buddy. my job is to keep my buddy safe and happy. ♪ get started at longlivedogs.com
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a bright note to end the program, cooper roberts, paralyzed in the highland park mass shooting, is heading back to school. he was moved to pediatric icu last week. he is doing daily exercises to regain mobility. he's expected to join his twin brother for half days of school and do outpatient rehab. he's been reignited with the family dog, george. great friends reunited. we wish him the best. sara sidner is next. >> anderson, thank you so much. the big question tonight, what exactly was the fbi looking for when it executed a search warrant at former trump's home? why was it so important?