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my blood pressure is borderline. garlique healthy blood pressure formula helps maintain healthy blood pressure with a custom blend of ingredients. i'm taking charge, with garlique. good evening, we can start with new reporting new details on the search of the former president's florida mansion. you are tonight that the secret service was told, in advance, that the fbi would be going in. also with the basis for the search was and how concerns about national security played into the decision. there's five new details, which serves as an antidote to a day's worth of speculation and partisan conspiracy theories and warnings violence. let's go to reporter cnn's panel pamela brown to kaitlan collins. caitlin, what more are you
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learning about the type of documents that were recovered in the search and what they may have related to? sorry, can't get kaitlin yet. pamela, you've been reporting on what triggered this search, mainly concerns about what the former president had and had not already turned over to the federal government. questions about the truthfulness of his representatives. what else do you have? >> remember, this investigation had been going on for more than a year. in june, the fbi met with some of donald trump's representatives at mar-a-lago, saw the room where some of these additional documents were being held, sent a letter after saying it should be padlocked. the bottom line, i'm told through a source familiar, is the fbi believed donald trump and his representatives had not turned over everything it should have or it was required to that belong to the government. we know previously, the national archives had taken 15 boxes from mar-a-lago including classified information.
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in this case the fbi executed the search warrant and told because of the fact that they believed and there were additional documents there, some classified that belong to the government. and that there were national security implications, that it went beyond concerns that some of these documents could be marked as classified, but that there could be national security implications. i'm also told by this source that there was concern that trump's representatives weren't completely truthful with investigators over the course of this investigation. there were certainly a couple of factors at play. i want to be transparent. while we do know some of this information that's coming out, what we do not know right now, anderson, is whether donald trump is the target of the investigation, for mishandling classified information, whether this was simply a case of the fbi wanting to make sure these documents went into safe hands and the government, whether it has to de-it with lying to the fbi, we don't have the answer
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to those questions. i can go ahead and tell you, donald trump's teams will be arguing that he had the authority to declassify information as president. >> caitlin, the people of the former presidents orbit have any indication this investigation, which have been ongoing for months, could be ramping up? >> and no. they were quite caught off-guard on this, anderson, based on what we heard from sources. which is that over the last several months, they had essentially come to this belief that this investigation into whether or not the former president mishandled classified information had stalled. they had not actually seen the movement based on what we have heard from sources. that's remarkable given, of course, we did report yesterday that two months ago was when investigators made that very rare visit to mar-a-lago, where they met with two of trump's attorneys. they were shown the room where these documents were being held, the ones he had not turned over to the national archives -- turnover about a dozen boxes are so, anderson. that was a room the justice department asked them to further secure. they put a padlock on the door
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to do so. of course, that was a padlock that was broken off when the search warrant was carried out yesterday. it's very clear that this investigation had not actually stalled. it's not clear why they believed that. and that is what we were hearing from them. that does seem to be like there is a measure of surprise in trump's orbit over this matter. >> pam, is it known how many boxes of documents the president initially took with him to mar-a-lago? >> what we can tell you is that 15 boxes went to the national archives. and attorney for trump told the washington post today that fbi agents took about around a dozen boxes from mar-a-lago after executing this search warrant. and so, this is -- a lot of documents that were taken from the white house. how many were actually classified, how many were implicated in national security, how many had trump declassified when he was in the white house? these are the questions we have. we don't have answers to them. i think it's important to point out that there is still a lot we do not know about what was in these boxes taken from
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mar-a-lago. >> pamela brown, kaitlan collins. i appreciate it. more breaking news. the fbi today seizing the cell phone of republican congressman who is best known for pushing the bogus conspiracy theory in the 2020 election. his name is scott perry. -- what is scott perry saying tonight? >> he put out a lengthy statement describing what happened. he said this morning, while traveling with my family, three fbi agents visited me and seized myself phone. he goes on to say his cell phone is full of information about political activities, personal and private discussions, legislative activities, things he says the government has no business looking into. what we don't know is what the fbi is investigating that led them to stop perry's cell phone. we know that perry was integral and pushing donald trump's claims of election fraud. we know he actually introduced the former president to jeffrey clark, who is that the department of justice official who was a little known that the time who is willing to go along
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with donald trump's election fraud claims and willing to try to stage a coup, essentially, at the justice department. it's not clear if it is perhaps related to that. we reported earlier that jeffrey clark's home was searched, that he's been under scrutiny from investigators. something we don't know about what's going on with scott perry. when investigators will be able to get from it. cnn previously reported that perry had had a number of discussions with mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff. in those discussions, they used an encrypted messaging app. we don't know if he those messages are still on his phone. >> they used signal, right? >> they used signal. we don't know those are on scott perry's phone. we don't know if that's what investigators are looking for or if it could be something else altogether. still a lot of questions. obviously, a big deal that they are coming for a sitting congressman's cell phone. >> appreciate. it i wanna get perspective now
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on that legal and political impacts of all the stories. chief national correspondent and inside politics anchor, tom kings. elliott williams, who served as deputy assistant attorney general in the obama administration. cnn chief political -- how significant are these new details? the search came after suspicions of withheld materials that documents at mar-a-lago had national security implications. >> we have more of a sketch now. we still don't have key information. what do they mean by national security implications? how many documents? what do they relate to? now, we at least have a broader sketch of the urgency. the fbi in the justice department, all the way up to the attorney general, to take this unprecedented step, to serve a search warrant at the home of the former president of the united states. a lot of hyperbole is being thrown around. make no mistake about it, anderson. at some point, the justice department will face the credibility test. both in court and in public opinion. that day should not be today. earlier investigation, at some
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point investigation, the justice department says it cannot talk to us just yet. the fact that they took the extraordinary nature suggest this was a 15-month process. many communications with trump and his lawyers, including a meeting in june, that the former president stopped in. something happened between june and august, where the fbi saw a reason, we don't know the specifics, to believe something with it at risk, some document was at threat. just quickly on this point, trump has the power to declassify records. that is true. a, there is a process. the, even if he does classified everything. they don't belong to him he can take it with him. the records act is very clear. the documents belong to the american people. they go to the national archives, period. >> it's also remarkable that john king, based on his criticisms of others over the years, handling emails, alleged security violations. >> if you're looking for intellectual consistency here, anderson, you came to the wrong town. in the sense that if you listen
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to donald trump, you listen to his republican allies, they remember hillary content should be six years into her prison sentence at leavenworth, according to these republicans, because she set up a server at home that might have sensitive information go through it. that it was possible the chinese are the russians could hack into it. if they raised that at the time. that was a judgment error by secretary clinton. i'm not here to defend hillary clinton's emails over. donald trump should he run for the unite -- the justice department is overstretching. this political use of the investigative powers. there is zero intellectual consistency in trump's argument or that of his republican allies at the moment. >> elliott, from a legal perspective, what is -- what does these developments tell you? the >> new this development today is this idea of people in trump's orbit not being honest or candid or forthcoming with information when asked. it is a crime to give a false
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statement to a law enforcement officer. that doesn't have to be under oath or sworn. when we are talking about perjury or something like that. if an agent is trying to find out where documents are and you lie to that agent, that is a crime. in addition to that, anderson, of course, there is the raft of possible crimes that might be investigated here, involving certain mishandling innings, mutilating, tearing up documents or so on. then u.s. thing today, by far, is this allegation of dishonesty. again, all of these crimes that we are talking about possibly being investigated are incredibly serious and reason for concern. >> gloria, i understand you have some reporting about how the search could be pushing the former president to speed up the 2024 announcement? >> a group of my colleagues and i are reporting this evening that some top republicans who have spent an awful lot of time in his past months tried to tell donald trump, i don't declare for the presidency until after the midterm elections. they were worried he was gonna be a divisive figure. they are now changing their minds. one top republican has called him up at least one and said,
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you know, i'm really thinking you ought to do it now. the reason is that the republican party, it seems, has been so united with him, and they believe that there is another issue for them to talk about aside from the 2020 election, which was donald trump's favorite issue. and now, this could become his issue. he can portray himself as the victim, the leader of people who feel victimized in this country and don't like the deep state. this would give their people more momentum than, in fact, the democrats might have, say, because of the roe v. wade decision, or they are sick of donald trump. they are now changing their minds. >> john, there's new reporting from the new york times tonight that you may not have seen yet. the former president dismissed a push from some of his advisers today to fly back to mar-a-lago and announce the presidential campaign. >> look, this calculation, a,
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do you take advantage of the outrage among your supporters to announce now? the midterm elections are 90 days away. any speculation about how this could impact 2024, let alone 2022, is premature. three months ago, the democrats were in a mess. now, the democrats are in better shape. that is just this year. the idea that trump could play victim and use this to somehow block out rivals in 2024, that's the thinking of some of his people. that is because they play on the power of -- now they believe they have a power of grievance. we have no facts on the table. that is their political calculation. if he announces he's running for president now, it changes how you can raise money, it changes how he can move around the country. it gives him some benefits in claiming political grievance, claiming i'm a candidate, the justice department should not chase me down. elliott can explain the way the rules work. this has been an ongoing drama in trump land. today, he should rush home. announce, russia it off before labor day. there will be another story tomorrow. eventually he will say
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something. that's when we will start the clock. >> elliott, is it accurate that the former president and his legal team would get a copy of the warrant which he can release to the public? isn't that warrant required to list everything they found, or some of it can be sealed? >> no. only the warrant is the administrative document that we believe there is evidence of the crime, it's got the signature. on the good stuff you are talking about is in the affidavits and applications for the warrant. he gets an inventory, all the materials that were seized from his property. if he is really saying these are declassified or an important documents or just mementos from his trip to finland, or whatever, certainly he can release that. he's going to have that information. all of the documentation that really digs into what the public wants to see isn't going
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to be seen either until someone is charged with a crime, or the basics for keeping it secret goes away, when the investigation is closed. >> gloria, do you believe that this will have an impact on the midterms or too soon to tell? we don't know what is to come of. this >> i think it's really too soon to tell other than when you talk to republicans who are saying -- one republican very close to donald trump said to me today, i have not seen the party this unified behind something in a long time. when you see desantis and pence on the same page defending trump? they believe that there is enough of a lead time that this could affect and could motivate republican voters, which they have been kind of worried about, particularly if donald trump were to announce because he has been so divisive. it is early, as john was saying. we are going to have to wait -- -- to exercise more, to be more social, to just relax. and eating healthy every single meal?
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♪ ♪ >> breaking news tonight, new how are warrants mandated and -- presidential team were holding on to government documents which, according to our source of the story, had national security implications. as for the warrant itself, it pertain to the handling of classified documents as well as the presidential records act.
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according to the source, there was also suspicion after months of discussion on the matter that the former president's -- representatives were not being completely truthful with investigators. joining us now, former federal judge nancy gardner, currently a senior lecturer at harvard law school. great to have you on again, judge gardner. and stand he reviewed search warrants as part of your duties while on the federal bench. can you walk us through what standard has to be met and how that may undermine some of the accusations out there from the former president and his allies flying around today? >> well, there has to be a sworn document. and if someone lies in the document, then there can be consequences for lying for false statements. so the agent has to come and give you an affidavit. sometimes it can be sworn testimony but usually it's an affidavit. the affidavit will say, i have probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence of that crime will be found in the place that i want to search. then he has to show, or she has
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to show and describe the place to be searched, and the evidence to be seized. and the code word in the law is, with particularity. they can't say, something wrong is going on at mar-a-lago, i want to go in. they have to describe what the crimes are that they think have taken place, and they have to describe that the crimes have taken place there. they have to describe what they are searching for and the place to be searched and the things to be seized with some specificity. now, a judge relies on what the agents tell them. as we have seen in the breonna taylor case, agents may not necessarily be telling the truth. but frankly in a case like this, at the levels of review, and the likely level of a garland review, i mentioned it every eye has been dotted and t's crossed. >> you would think that merrick garland would have looked at the application for the search
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warrant. >> not only do i think that just because it's the president involved, but for my understanding people who are working for garland, and from what i know of him, he's a micromanager. some of the frustration with the pace of investigations is precisely because he's a micromanager, so it would be and conceivable that he did not sign up on this search warrant, the affidavit, and decision. >> how strong a case would have had to be made to this judge? in order to get the judge to agree. >> the judges just making -- it has to understand that they are investigating a crime. it's not just ordinary misconduct. here, the likely crime is violation of presidential records act. and inappropriate handling or retention of classified documents. so you have to know that a crime has taken place. it's not just some itinerant misconduct. and the judge would have to know that they would have to be
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seeing the evidence of probable cause to believe a crime has taken place. what would probable cause look like? i'm just speculating, as we all are, so if the national archives got classified documents, and they have page seven to page nine, and they are missing eight, on their face the documents would make clear that something is missing. then there's the story that i imagine would be in the affidavit of the fbi visit to mar-a-lago in june, in which they saw where the documents are kept. the question is, did they see something at that time that made it clear that what was in there was more than just an occasional memento from kim jong-un, and something more substantial in that. the judge has to look at the evidence that is given to them to see if there's probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. obviously, you rely on the information that you are given.
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your line of faith that people have given you the information. >> does the warrant served because there's a risk of documents being destroyed? >> it's interesting. clearly there could have been a subpoena to a grand jury. where you send the subpoena to trump, to trump's lawyers, and you really rely and trust them to turn over everything. clearly, and again i'm speculating, something happened here that led the agents and doj to believe that, in the ordinary course, documents were not going to be turned over. and that therefore, that they had to take the step of a search warrant. now, they really don't have to justify going to a search warrant. there is no legal justification. you can use search in place of a subpoena. but i'm assuming that to take this step, there had to be some reason to believe the documents were not being preserved. >> interesting. >> or that they were not being truthful. let me just add one thing, because this is driving me nuts. this is not in my lane as a
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federal judge, but the notion that the doj, that the white house would have been involved in this makes no sense. this was a week that the democrats were doing a victory lap, and the last thing they wanted to do was to have the coverage taken over by the search of mar-a-lago. that alone suggests to me that this was an independent decision at the doj and merrick garland. >> judge nancy garner, very fascinating. i appreciate it. >> coming up, the historical parallels that the former president is attempting to draw between the fbi search of mar-a-lago and the watergate break in. we will speak with carl bernstein, cnn political analyst, who did much of the original reporting on the former white watergate scandal. former counsel john dean joins us as well. an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+.
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again, our breaking news, according to a source, the search of mar-a-lago came after authorities believe president trump or his team -- had national security implications. the search warrant pertained to both handling of classified documents and presidential records act. the law was established after president nixon's watergate scandal to ensure presidential records are the property of the u.s. government and not held as private property. in another historical parallel, the mar-a-lago search came on the 48th anniversary of nixon's resignation.
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meantime, in a statement yesterday, the former president proceeded to mangle watergate history. quoting, that is the difference now between this and watergate? where operatives broke into the democratic national committee. here, in reverse, democrats broke into the home of the 45th president of the united states. joining me now is journalist and coauthor of all the presidents men, the definitive account of the watergate scandal, carl bernstein, political analyst, also cnn contributor, former white house counsel, john dean. carl, what is your reaction to the certain what are you hearing from people in the presidents orbit? >> first of all, this is a deadly serious matter. in the view of even former top officials of the trump administration. i spoke today to one of the senior most intelligence officials throughout the trump presidency. and the point he made, without knowing what these materials are, is that it is virtually impossible, in his view that the fbi and the justice justice department would take this action without knowledge or belief that the materials
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contained the most sensitive national security information. a real magnitude. that this could not be done unless there was a reason to believe that the national security could be grievously injured if these documents got out. it's not just in this person's view, it is speculative, that this would be about the lawyers not being totally truthful but rather not being truthful or that there is knowledge the government now has that what is being withheld is a serious, serious importance. >> john, was this a reverse watergate break-in, as the former president was? >> not even close, anderson. this was authorized. it was an authorized court proceeding to search and seize materials. obviously, as carl says, they were important materials. watergate was a bungled break
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in by a bunch of actually, clowns in a way, in their effort to get into the democratic national committee and repair a bug intakes photographs after having been earlier in the democratic national committee. very different parallels. trump referring to watergate, of course, focuses on the break in. and watergate became so much more than a bungled break in. it became a cover-up. it became an abuse of power by a president. >> carl, how does the department of justice under merrick garland compared compare to what was happening in the justice department during watergate? >> i think they are both very principled. and leaders in the justice department after nixon fired -- the saturday night massacre, -- he fired the leaders of the justice department. and those leaders were pursuing the case against nixon with
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great independents. similarly, merrick garland here is trying to follow, as far as we know, where the leads go with suggestions and probably more than suggestions that a crime has been committed. he would never have done this unless there were evidence of a crime happening -- having been committed by donald trump and those around him. and similarly, in watergate you have the situation where the officials who were fired by the president of the united states had similar beliefs about where the case was going against richard nixon and the cover-up. >> john, do you believe that just searching for classified documents the president may have taken from the white house when he left would be enough for the fbi to decide to do this? >> it depends upon the content of the documents.
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there could be some very serious, seriously compromise -able material and national security data. blueprints. who knows what is there? there are even documents, apparently, so highly classified that their classification is classified. they can't even list some of the material they have acquired in this search. i think there can be stuff that can affect the united states. it can show sources and methods. national security has long been an area of particular tension. attention. the national archive, since the presidential records act, has been very aggressive in going after former staff, never to reach a president before. but former staff or people, a very senior political people. sandy berger, the national security adviser in the clinton administration. general petraeus, who was
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writing a book. they have all experienced what happens if you misuse classified material. and so this was not unprecedented. it just never reached the president ever abusing his power and taking material like this that we are dealing with. >> john dean, carl bernstein. thank you. just ahead, we will take you to the scene outside mar-a-lago. randi kaye on how the former presidents most ardent supporters react to the news of the fbi search. that's next. i got tai last december. i've spent almost every minute with her since. when i first brought her home,
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before we learn more details about what might be in those boxes of material, and the material removed from the -- some demanded investigations or, complained about, quote, weaponization of the justice department. also speaking after the former presidents most ardent supporters, who attended his rally, shared his conspiracies and generally supported him in one much of what he does. as we learn in a moment from cnn's donie o'sullivan, some had gone online with violent rhetoric about how civil war and, quote, lock and load. those some of the phrases use. but first, 360's randi kaye joins us from outside mar-a-lago tonight. a lot of people have been gathering outside mar-a-lago in support of the former president. when have you been hearing from folks there? >> anderson, a much larger group earlier today still some of them hanging around tonight. almost everyone we spoke with is very angry about the fact
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that the fbi came here to mar-a-lago just yesterday. they believe, they didn't say what the basis for this was, but they believe that donald trump has been cooperating with the to justice department, investigating the handling of presidential records and presidential documents. they don't think it was a good idea for the fbi to come to mar-a-lago especially when the president wasn't even home. here's what else some of the supporters told me. >> they don't want the truth. that's the bottom line. they don't want the truth. >> you don't think that's why they came here to mar-a-lago, to try to find out the truth and recover the archives? >> no. they are scared to death of donald trump. >> it's just a show. this is maybe impeachment number four for trump. that's all it is. that's what i think. and they didn't get to the first time on the russian thing. they didn't get it the second time with ukraine. they didn't get it the third time with january 6th. they know they are running out of time. cameras are there, some of his
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past people. they know what is going on. it's all for show, to make trump so he cannot run again. >> you don't think there was a real reason to come -- >> no, i don't, it's not even think, i know there is no real reason. i know it in my heart. i know it in my spirit. he has never lied about anything. >> we know that is not true. and when i quickly pointed out to her, just as an example, that the former president is still claiming he won the 2020 election, she continued to say that he has never lied. but also anderson, it's worth noting that many of the supporters were saying to me that the fbi and the department of justice are corrupt. i was quick to point out to them that it was donald trump appointed christopher wray as director of the fbi. they continue to say that he was corrupt. we also talked about hillary clinton's emails. i reminded them it was donald trump who called for an investigation into her classified emails. but the irony was lost on them. they continued to say that he did not do anything wrong and she did. anderson. >> randy kate, appreciated.
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-- perspective omar we just saw from cnn's donie o'sullivan, who has attended many of the foreign presence rallies and spoken to some of his most ardent supporters. political commentator alyssa farah griffin, who served in the previous administration as director of strategic communications. would've been seeing online -- >> i want to show you posts that showed up from one very popular pro-trump website last night after that news broke. people commenting lock and load. somebody else saying, i'm just going to say, merrick garland needs to be assassinated, simple as that. somebody else -- saying kill all feds. i think people will rightly ask why are we talking about some anonymous threats made on the internet? these are the very same forms, in fact that website is one of the very same websites where many people were talking about plans for january six in advance of the attack on the capitol. people discussing how to attack police officers. we know people who are lurking in these websites, on these websites, are not, are people
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who sometimes go off and do these acts. i want to show you another post. this one was a top comment under that lock and load post. somebody asked, are we not in a cold civil war at this point? the person who actually posted that advanced democracy, which is a non profit, it does a lot of public service research, was actually able to tie that person's account back to a u. s. capitol rioter, somebody who has been convicted and even last night, they were posting this kind of talk about civil war. you can see why this stuff matters. it is very difficult to tell what is a serious threat and it is something that's -- >> alyssa, what impact do you think this rate will have on some of the most extreme of the former president's supporters? >> i think donie's reporting is excellent about some of these fringe figures who themselves could be or have been radicalized are saying. but i would also look to the
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very prominent republicans and what they have said. so, mark levin, one of the biggest right-wing talk show host in the country said this is the worst attack on the republican's lifetime, never mind 9/11, many other tragedies. and even elected officials across the board republicans have come out and condemned this, that this is banana republic kind of nonsense, demonizing law enforcement and the fbi. so that trickles down to supporters of the president, to the fringe who themselves may become radicalized. i would note as well, and the republican study committee, the biggest conservative bloc in the house of representatives, took a group of members up to bedminster tonight to show their support for the former president. all while we don't even know with this warrant entailed, but the underlying potential alleged crime was. they are saying we know it's not true, the fbi was wrong and we are in solidarity with the president. so politically, donald trump's actually in the strongest position he has been in sometime. the rhetoric around it is very
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scary. >> donie, our federal officials, others, concerned about sort of potential for how wet the ripple effects -- >> that it might translate into real violence? our colleague was speaking to a congressional security source and said shortly after the news broke last night, that the u.s. capitol police we're talking about plans of if this could convert into violence. and as alyssa mentioned there, a lot of these threats, a lot of this very-charged rhetoric is being made on social media platforms. but since january 6th, we have seen so much of the maga world move to alternative social media platforms given that trump and others got kicked off after january 6th. that's another challenge to monitor these threats. >> alyssa, what do you make of the reporting that some of the president's advisers wanted him to fly to mar-a-lago today to announce his candidacy? according to the new york times that is. >> yeah, i believe that reporting to be true. there's been talk in trump
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world since before this raid, of him announcing in august or september, to get ahead of the several different investigations into him, from georgia, new york, and the january 6th and doj investigations. there are some in his inner circle that i believe are telling him this is the moment. i mean, even other contenders for 2024, ron desantis, mike pence, mike pompeo, put out statements defending trump after this raid took place. so i think they want to kind of capture the moment, hone in, and the thought it it kind of boxes in doj if he is an announced candidate. that test that line of, well, can you indict someone who was a former president or running for president? i think the former president has yet to make a decision but i would not be shocked if he announces sooner. >> do you think this will make it more likely he runs? >> i do think so. i think so. i feel when he feels the legal wall is closing in i think he wants that mantle of power back, of being in the white house, of overseeing these agencies. frankly, of carrying out his
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retaliation for them once he's in office. you have seen rhetoric from those closely aligned to him, about how they want to get -- get the fbi, they want to get the doj, they want to kick out the deep state, meaning career professionals who do their jobs. so i think he is more motivated than ever to run. >> yeah, and that is what they are calling the deep state, career professionals who want to do their jobs. alyssa farah, donie o'sullivan. coming up, i will be joined by senate majority leader chuck schumer, we will get his reaction. to the latest on the search of the former president's home. plus, the recent string of legislative victories for democrats, including a major spending bill on health care and clean energy. under pressure this is the man you turn to. this is your difference maker. go kick the ball to mommy.
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and medical equipment and more. senate democrats are also celebrating the passage of another major. bill that's been the source of an olive of drama and trading, with the cold inflation reduction act, the house is expected to take up friday before the president can sign it. the bill touches on a wide array of priorities, -- extension of health care subsidies. and for the first-time, it allows medicare the power to negotiate prices for certain drugs. i want to talk about it with senate majority leader chuck schumer joins me now. leader schumer, appreciate you being with us. i want to get to the legislation. the inflation reduction act in a moment. but just a question of beginning, we have seen a lot of your republican colleagues calling for investigations into the doj, the fbi after the search warrant, at mar-a-lago, yesterday senator josh hawley even called for attorney hawley merrick garland to resign or be impeached. what do you make of the reaction to some of your fellow lawmakers? >> look, i am not commenting until further information comes out. i think it's premature and i think it's premature for
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everybody to comment. we don't exactly know what's there yet. >> on the inflation reduction act is allowed in the bill. major initiatives intended to tackle drug pricing, inflation, pricing. if it's passed in the house are not the presidents desk, -- notice first. what would actually have an effect on their lives immediately? >> well, pretty soon, for instance, the price of drugs will be lowered. insulin for medicare patients will go down to $35 a month. right now it is six, seven, $800. so many millions of senior citizens and others cannot for the insulin, yet they desperately needed, needed, because so many have diabetes. and starting early next year, and will pay more than $2,000 for prescription drugs. so many people have these illnesses and they have these wonderful bills. they cost $500 or -- uphill. it will now be limited to $2,000 maximum payment.
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so, those will take effect right away. but some of the energy changes are going to take effect quite soon as well. for instance, the focus on clean energy will mean that your electric bill will go down, $1,000 by 2030. it means that appliances will cost a lot less than they have before. and immediately in 2023, the tax code will become favor, because a lot of the big corporations who pay no taxes will start paying. and individuals will finally be audited. the trump administration did a despicable thing. they basically didn't order anybody who ordered over 1 million dollars. and if you made over -- there's fraud in the urn income tax credit. it was despicable. we put money in for more auditors and only for people who make about $400,000. so, a lot of these loopholes that wealthy people use, lawyers and accountants, to get away with paying taxes, those are going to close. so, there's a lot that's going to happen soon and some will happen later. >> the legislation is supposed to reduce use of carbon emissions by roughly 40% from
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2005 levels. >> yes. >> -- by 2030. where did the majority of those cuts come from? how will this bill actually enable -- >> yes. it is across the board, many different things. first, clean power we will get incentives, if you are electricity, which is about 30, 40%, your power. carbon emissions will become much more focused on clean power. water, solar, wind, that will happen. electric cars will be more available. and of course they are far less polluting than president combustion engines. and there will be all kinds of programs that will reduce carbon going into the atmosphere, from agriculture, for big industrial factories, and many things like that. so, this is amazing. the original build back better bill, anderson, quote, for 45% reduction, which, of course, i have compromise with joe
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manchin on -- it still produces a 40% reduction, far and away the most significant thing we have done against global warming ever by legions. a whole lot. >> we've seen a lot of reporting about the red lines that senator manchin and senator sinema had had, -- before they could support the bill. do you have any red lines for negotiations? are there any parts of the bill that had to be included -- >>. yes >> -- that you had to include or you would lose the support of your caucus? >> i think we had a program aimed at making average people's lives better by reducing inflation and by reducing their costs. by making drugs cost less. but also, even though senator manchin had some provisions into the bill that i don't like and many of us don't like, we had a north star, 4% reduction into the car -- we stuck with all of those. so, even though politics is the art of getting something done. it's very easy to sit there and say let's get nothing done. that's what leader mcconnell focuses on. he is part of the legislative graveyard. i tried to get things done.
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it takes a lot of work. it takes tremendous persistence. my father, who passed away in november, taught me something. by example. if you persist when you are doing the right thing and keep at it and don't give up, he would call it, god rule ward you. bottom line is, if you persist you can get it done. our caucus persisted, we reached many cul-de-sac send dead ends. but we kept at it and -- most -- decades. >> you've got the chips and science, act just signed by the president. the inflation reduction act coming up in the. house. the end of july -- lowest in his presidency. do you think the democrats have done with a need to do enough to convince voters he should remain in control of congress? >> yeah, we've been getting over the last few weeks now or the last few months, anderson. because people are seeing the republican party is extreme. the supreme court decisions, of course, dobbs on abortion, but also on guns, also an environment. the fact that the january 6th
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hearing showed what happened. and just the rhetoric, the kind of angry, almost anti-democratic rhetoric that is coming out of the republican party. people are starting to say, i don't want them to govern. but they had a question. could democrats actually get something done? i think in the last six weeks, with the i.r.a., with the chips and science act, we put the pact act together, the best advance in health care for veterans in ten years -- we did something on guns for the first time in 30 years that reduces the violence. we did the nato bill. all of those things in six weeks was marvelous accomplishments on various different fronts. and the people are going to see, democrats can get something done. even with a 50/50 margin in a caucus that runs from bernie sanders to joe manchin. not an easy job but we did it. >> majority leader schumer, appreciated, i'm sorry about the death of your father and what a blessing to have had him in your life for so long. >> thank you. >> i wish you the best. >> he is still here giving us guidance. >> he is still here giving us
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