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peaked and how much you pay in your everyday life will soon go up. donald trump goes under oath and refuses to answer moments. a marquee moment into the investigation into the former president's finances. he faced questions from new york's attorney and lawyers in the new york attorney's office. we know trump did what he says only mobsters do, pleaded the fifth. trump saying, under the advice of my counsel and the above reasons i decline to answer is the questions under the rights and privileges to every citizen under the constitution of the united states of america. tell us more. >> >> reporter: trump around here at 9:00 a.m. he said he was going to assert his fifth amendment rights and not answer any questions. trump said what he said only

mobsters do. today he is taking the fifth because the new york attorney general leading this investigation letitia james, he has called her racist and her investigation is politically motivated so he was not going to answer any questions. he also cited the fbi search warrant at mar-a-lago on monday saying that really solidified his decision not to answer questions today. this investigation has been long running for more than three years and the attorney's office is looking into whether the trump organization and its employees, including the former president, had misled lenders and insurers and tax authorities by having fraudulent or potentially misrepresentative financing statements that were provided to them. she said that the reason she wanted to depose donald trump and subpoena him for this testimony was because they wanted to know what he knew about the decisions, what his role was in creating and putting out these financial statements. he is not answering questions today. it's unclear how long he is going to be there.

his other son eric trump had sat and taken the fifth when he was deposed in 2010 and he saeasser the fifth amendment also. let's talk to the former federal prosecutor elie honig. every american citizen has a has every right to insert their fifth amendment right. listen. >> have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth! so they are not prosecuted. when you have the man that set up the illegal server, taking the fifth, i think it's sdrasful. you see the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> that is donald trump, the politician. elie, from a legal perspective, his and said don't answer these

questions. walk us through what that means. >> first of all, the hypocrisy is shocking. this is donald trump's right he can take the fifth the same as anyone else can. important to know in a civil lawsuit in new york state, if somebody takes the fifth that can actually be used against them. the jury can draw what is called an adverse inference meaning the jury in a civil case can assume the worse what his testimony might have been but cannot be used against him in any way in a criminal prosecution. i think it's worth noting here, john. letitia james has politicized this. they has fund-raised on it so that is not a ridiculous fear for him to have. >> it's not ridiculous because of that, you're right. and prosecutors should know when they take the job, they need to be more careful about talking about politics. just quickly for our viewers who might be confused because they hear about the raid at the

president's -- search at the president's mar-a-lago house and the georgia investigations and the january 6th committee. what is at stake in this civil investigation in new york? >> there is a lot to sort out. this is an investigation of the financial practices of the trump organization primary before donald trump even became president p.m. the key allegation here is that the organization would intentionally or deflate the value of its assets in order to cheat on taxes and insurance. >> we are learning about the federal search of the former president's home. the trump organization was subpoenaed for surveillance tapes from the florida resort. what else are we learning? >> we are learning that the fbi, before taking this action that, obviously, is highly unusual, to say the least, before they did this, they came to believe that there were still documents that

were of national security importance, that were classified, that were being held at mar-a-lago that needed to be returned to the u.s. government. this is something that, obviously, has been under discussions with the trump team going back since may of 2021 when the archives first went to the trump team and said we believe there are national security documents that there is information that should be, that the presidential records, as well as classified information, that belongs to the u.s. government that needs to be returned. and so there have been ongoing discussions through that entire period, including in recent months. we know that there was a june meeting and we know that there was subpoena that was served on trump organization to get access to the surveillance cameras inside mar-a-lago. all of this leads us to believe, obviously, that the trump team should not have been very surprised that the fbi came to

retrieve documents that clearly they believe were classified and did not belong in this circumstance, inside a warehouse -- i'm sorry, inside of a basement at the president's residence in palm beach. >> part of the debate is who is telling the truth about the sequence of events. part of the debate is could you have issued a subpoena instead of a search warrant? e elie, listen to this. saying the president could, emphasis on could, probably be in deep trouble here. >> the president is in significant legal jeopardy if he retained classified information that mar-a-lago and especially if he failed to turn it over to department and the fbi all of these months later. >> you hear him lay it out. this is the conversation the last 48 hours to is not issue a subpoena but decide you're taking your extraordinary step of searching a search warrant at the home and the office of the former president of the united states. the implication is they got serious information that those either trump had lied about

documents he returned or some documents in peril. but still things we don't know here. >> yeah. i think evan's new reporting sort of answers some questions and raises others. i think it tells us this is why the fbi felt it was important to get a search warrant which is a drastic and intrusive measure. they felt there were national security interests and david lov laufman said it is against the law to destroy or store classified information. the time line is important. why was the fbi fine with documents being there over a year? we know the fbi knew the documents were padlocked in a basement a couple of months. why were they fine with that and leave those documents there if they were so important and only then go get them a couple of days ago two months later? still a lot to be determined here. >> as we work through the legal questions and try to find out more of the things we don't know which is important about the context and scope and why you take this unprecedented step.

this is what donald trump said today on his truth social site. quote. you have donald trump now saying there is zero evidence of that. zero evidence of that. do they feel any pressure at the justice department to say something? you can't go inside an investigation until it's done or at least that is their policy. but to say something? >> yeah. there is absolutely pressure and some of that pressure is coming from the inside. by the way, there are people certainly inside the justice department and the fbi who believe they have a duty to at least explain some of what has happened. obviously, the justice department, by the way, has not said anything. the only reason why we know this happened is because the former president went out and tweeted or put out a statement nearly at the end of the search.

we know that the agent showed up wearing plain clothes. they didn't wear the fbi jackets so that would have set off all kinds of alarms. they showed up after 10:00 a.m. this is as polite as the fbi could be in doing a search like this, clearly trying not to set off all of the things that trump has set off. the question is, obviously, are they close to bringing a case? we don't know. and how does the attorney general, how does the fbi handle something like this when, you know, they may never get to bring a charge but they clearly took some action that is premised on a criminal investigation. and i think there is reason to believe that the justice department should say something because as, you know, you're leaving it to donald trump to fill in the blanks. >> right. in the most likely environment without a doubt until now -- >> -- >> it's all for him and see how it plays out. another major development

out of the justice department. busy week. federal authorities seizing the sf cell phone belonging to scott perry who on number occasions tried to help donald trump overturn the 2020 election results. sarah has more details on that. what do we know? >> scott perry is a republican congressman from pennsylvania. he said yesterday he was traveling with his family and he was visited by three fbi agents and they seized his phone. in his statement, he didn't say anything about what he believed this investigation was related to but we heard from a source that was familiar with this warrant that came for looking at his phone and they said that this is related to an ongoing investigation by the justice department's inspector general. that investigation has been focused on jeffrey clark, a former doj official who was little known until scott perry introduced jeff clark to then president donald trump. jeff clark was buying into donald trump's election lies and the two kind of worked behind the scenes to essentially try to

orchestrate a coup at the justice department. jeff clark has not been charged with any crimes. his homp home was searched earl in the summer. >> sarah murray, thank you for your reporting. elie, presumably to the attorney general signing off for the former president's home and office at mar-a-lago, how high up in the justice department would this go? this is a sitting member of congress we know from the january 6th committee testimony was introducing donald trump to jeffrey clark. we know he was part of the conversations in his home state of the commonwealth of pennsylvania to try to overturn the election results there but you're serving a subpoena and taking a cell phone from a sitting republican member of congress and that is pretty high up the sensitivity chart. >> yeah. john. no question in my mind this would have had to go up to the attorney general.

the third story a sitting member of congress has his phone seized by the fbi. this to me is one of the overlooked aspects of the efforts leading up to january 6th to steal the election. scott perry was instrumental in this plan to try to weaponize the doj and one of the clear instances of fraud when jeffrey clark was scott perry's guy on the inside of the doj, he wrote a draft letter on doj letterhead that was supposed to go out to the state of georgia saying we have identified significant election fraud concerns in your state and other states and we recommend you call a special session of the assembly to reconsider your electors. thankfully other doj officials refused to send that false and fraudulent letter. if that had gone out it would have been a disaster for doj and the country. i think is where their focus is with scott perry. >> we are in a remarkable couple of days in the middle of remarkable investigation. up next for us, the upside down politics of donald trump and the republican party. the fbi serves a search warrant at trump's home and more and sa!

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donald trump is telling republicans he believes the search of his mar-a-lago home is a big trump win. some trump alies a week ago were asking him to hold off any definitive statement about 2024 staying trump should declare his candacy immediately. >> elbow he was going run believe and i'm stronger in my belief now. i think president trump is determined now more than ever to

straighten this country out. >> with me to share their reporting and their insights is cnn's malik henderson and jeremy dimon and margaret cotell. outside of the old rules that don't apply but the idea that after all we have heard from the january 6th testimony he took the fifth today in this new york civil investigation of his finances. the fbi served a search warrant at mar-a-lago and republicans think we should get this guy out there running for president again. help me. >> yeah. you know? i wish i could. it is the under world on trumpism where everything, you know, that you would think would sink in the other candidate seems to buoy this candidate, at least that is his spin. i'm vsure he is privately worrid and who wouldn't be worried if the fbi is after you and the a.g. is investigating you in new york and if there is an investigation in georgia. so all of these investigations looking into trump, both his time as a private citizen and his time as president. so, sure, there is worry, but i

do think, in some ways, this comes after a horrible summer, the january 6th committee and all of the revelations that were revealed to the american public. some decline in his support among republicans and in his sense that republicans weren't out there enough or at all really defending him and so here they are sort of stepping into that void and boosting him even as rethere isome represents thinking about running like mike pence and ron desantis. >> we are 17, 18 months away from the first nominating contest of the 2024 presidential campaign. forgive me. a lot has changed the last week joe biden and democrats fade and i'm a little not so sure this is a great moment. listen to other republicans. jim banks and conservative told us his time is made up, it's just a timing of when meaning he

is going to run. we don't know when he is going to announce it. michael cap uto said this is no longer business as usual. john thomas organizing a pact to support ron desantis is a coordination, not a primary. a cynic would say they are doing this to give trump the political argument they are after me because i'm running for president and not because they are after me because there is evidence i might have done something wrong. >> it depends on who is doing it. two camps here. the republican party and leadership at large and then there is the pack of would-be 2024 contenders. and what is interesting and complicated about them is that they feel that they have to secure this position early on in order not to aleienate

themselves. you see ron desantis in arizona and new mexico doing a national tour. he is not doing that for some future far off decades from now thing. he is doing it for the thing we all think it is. yet, maybe he doesn't want to come out of the gate in opposition to trump because the way to secure your own position in the base is with this argument that the civil service is out of control, that if it could happen to trump, it could happen to you. obviously, it couldn't happen to any normal person because a normal person wouldn't take classified information from inside of the white house. >> or try to overturn the results of an election that have been counted and recounted and 70 court cases and so on. as you jump in, you spend a lot of time covering donald trump. you now cover the biden white house. there is a lot of political dust-up about this including the former president's son eric trump who joe biden, said he knew nothing about this and eric trump said of course he did.

>> joe biden absolutely signed of on this. you know what the problem is the democrats? they dig so deep and find themselves. you watch what ends up coming out! >> this is where we find ourselves and this is a moment where it would be nice if everybody could be calm and patient. yes, a high credibility bar on mayoric garland and doj and must get to the point in their investigation they can share that but not when you listen to that, joe biden did it. >> this is executing a search warrant and questions need to be answered. the white house for its part are saying that the president knew nothing about this that the white house did not get any kind of heads-up. i tried asking the president just last hour at the white house, you know, how he can reassure americans that this is not politically motivated. the president was not inclined to answer our questions today. but i do want to amplify a point that margaret just made which is the notion of these republicans who are now saying, you know,

casting aspersians on this investigation. they are also giving the space for the base to continue thinking that is the exact same thing that happened after the 2020 election. right? the comments we were all getting from our republican sources was saying, look. we don't want to aigo through t motions of this. what did it do? left a huge space for misinformation and for conspiracy theories and we are seeing the exact same thing taking place today. >> let me sneak this in quickly. is there a middle ground for republicans in this debate? mitch mcconnell declined to comment and then issued this statement yesterday afternoon. quote. the statement did not mention trump or mar-a-lago.

we hope that statement makes donald trump go away. he doesn't say that in a statement but that is his hope. >> mitch mcconnell's hopes won't do any good, right? we have seen donald trump sort of have a tighter grip on the republican base now that he had probably in 2020. mitch m mitch mcconnell hasn't really done anything actively to push him aside. he certainly had a chance around his second impeachment and decided not to do that. we will see. i do think some people are taking that attack. tim scott i think said something similar as well. notable no one is asking donald trump to release the search warrant. >> they could do that. >> trump's lawyers know what the warrant said. trump's lawyers have an inventory of what was taken. >> he has managed to set the narrative. >> want to be transparent, lay it out. brand new details on a foiled plot to murder the former trump national security adviser john bolton. ou order the new lemon ricotta blueberry protein pancakes

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this disturbing news in to cnn. the justice department has charged a member of iran's isl isl islamic revolution guard corps to commit to murder john bolton.

>> reporter: criminal charges against this iranian member for attempting to carry out this plot to kill the former national security adviser john bolton. as part of retaliation for the air strike that the u.s. carried out that killed a commander of the irg in 2020. it's pretty remarkable the details that are in the information that doj has released saying that this iranian did things like sending pictures of how much money he was willing to give the individual in the u.s., also a screen shot of a map that showed john bolton's office and on that map it said that it was about 10,000 kilometers away the approximate distance from iran to washington, d.c. i want to read a line from a statement he put out today. quote.

we should also note that doj said that there was also another plot that this iranian was willing to carry out to murder someone else for up to $1 million. we don't know who that plot was directed at, but, of course, this is huge news today. it gives some description as to why there was secret service with the national security adviser over the last year or so. >> it is remarkable. we appreciate the breaking news reporting there. for the record, tune in. john bolton will be joining wolf blitzer later today "the situation room." red hot inflation appears to be cooling off somewhat. you see the numbers there. the chart. the latest report on the economy out this morning showed inflation is slowing from a year ago. climbing 8.5% over this time

last year. that is still a steep number but it's down from the 40-year high we in june. gas prices have fallen for the 57th straight day. another 2 cents overnight. national average for a gallon of gas sitting above $4 a gallon. the hope this new report is evidence inflation has peaked. as you can see, nonprescription drugs and paper rods are seeing a spike but president biden said today he sees progress. >> we have seen a labor market where jobs are booming and americans are working and seeing some signs that inflation may be getting to moderate. >> we saw on the right side of your screen there wall street likes this new report. the markets are up so far today. this morning, the president delivering on a big promise to americans' veterans. the president putting his pen to paper in front of service members and their families. this law ends the medical limbo

for those exposed to toxic burn pits overseas and guarantees the v.a. will pay out contributed to toxic exposure during military service. for the president this issue is deeply personal. >> toxic smoke, poison spreading through the air and into the lungs of our troops. when they came home, many of the best warriors we sent to war were not the same. headaches. numbness. dizziness. cancer. my dson beau was one of them. >> our reporters are back with us at the table. we will talk about the potential political impact in a minute. amen in a town that has a hard time getting things done, this is something, padded on bipartisan basis, fits and starts but passed but if you volunteer and we send you overseas and local news reporter in vermont and ohio did amazing work and got the attention.

finally. the veterans and their families get their due finally. >> and i was in the room for this bill signing today and you can feel the weight of the emotion of the months and years of work that so many of these families have put in. jon stewart was there. he got a standing ovation who people who recognize his advocacy on behalf of these veterans. president biden talking about his son beau and beau's schildrn were in the front row. they have two major bipartisanship bills he is signing into law this week. significant wins for him but most importantly for the veterans who have fought so hard for the benefits they deserve. >> this is important. we are 90 days from a very important from a midterm election. the president signed a bipartisan bill yesterday and today and democrats hope by the end of the week, on its way to

him is this big new health care and climate initiative. is there any sense that the biden white house that a climate six months ago we would have said is horrible is getting better? >> yes. absolutely. there is that sense. and absolutely the beginning of polling evidence to suggest that. the question is by what degree. history tells us that democrats are not just going to lose the house of representatives, but like lose it in all caps. is this going to be enough to completely change the dynamic of that? probably not. but losing by a little is different than losing by a lot. is it enough to help democrats save the senate? quite possibly, especially given some of the challenges that some of the republican nominees who trump are facing now in the senate. so it changes the stakes and the tenor and changes the feeling in the sense of momentum but will it be a completely game-changer? we are not seeing that right now. >> which is important why we take these things day-by-day and

it tends to be a roller coaster. the headline in "the washington post" today. a great analysis piece. is it helpful or harmful to have trump back center stage? he has been a instant. this week he is everywhere. >> listen. trump would say it's harmful to biden. i think it is likely helpful. i think if you're a republican you want this to be about the sort of bread and butter issues, inflation, gas prices, even though the climate is getting a little better, right? gas prices have gone down a little bit. so, i mean, i think the conventional wisdom has always been trump being everywhere and in this way, right, with an fbi raid is probably good for the democrats and i think if you're republican you would sort of like him to exit stage right, at least until you get to the midterms. he seems intent on being everywhere all the time on social media and in talking about his grievances and i can't

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four states held primary elections yesterday. governors race is a big issue as we head to the fall. wisconsin, yesterday, picking its candidates for governor. on the republican side, tim michels won. he is supported by donald trump. he is a businessman.

the former governor scott walker supported the other kleefisch. you see wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania and arizona. salmon color, those battleground states are trump endorse the candidates for governor will be the candidates in the file. mr. michels saying thank you. >> i would like to thank president trump for his support and his endorsement. it meant -- it was a tremendous validation of our rise in this campaign. knows we need new leadership in madison and he sees a lot of similarities. >> our political director joins our conversation. welcome. i love governor races. in this wisconsin race a key battleground state in

presidential politics but michels is a candidate against the current governor. one of the big states these are giant issues in the fall. >> we will see how much sort of covid era management plays in as well and what got him back on his heels initially and republicans hoping they can take out the democratic incumbent there for evers. that's in the rearview mirror a little bit. listen. we know that donald trump is still nearly two years after he lost that state to joe biden is still making calls asking officials to decertify that legitimate election result in wisconsin. that is not going away. does mr. michels talk about donald trump from today gong forward through november or does he start trying to like other people did and make that pivot away from primary to the general and leave trump by the side?

>> a fascinating question. we show you these trump/pence pr proxy battles. one in wisconsin and one in arizona and kemp won in georgia. look at all three of those states. and pennsylvania won as well. trump lost all of those states. he got more votes i think in all of them in 2020 than 2016. >> he is aware of the energy in many ways in a lot of these states. the energy is about the big buy and the idea that the election was stolen and it could be that we wake up the day after election day in november and we have governors in place who would advance the big lie, who would overturn an election in their states. remember, it was state and local officials who held the line against donald trump in 2020. now we are looking at a scenario where his people could be in place to essentially do nishis

bidding should you run in 2024. >> are republicans divided when you have close primaries like that and all show up in november in we don't know. democrats lost in minnesota. a special election was won over the democrat there. the close margin in a republican district to finish the term of a republican member who died. republicans say it's good news. they believe it's one of the places they see the politics of abortion ginning up turnout. >> a place that is supposed to go red something that is close suggests that the abortion argument is still working to democrats' benefit. one of the things we have been talking about this week will the search warrant executed at mar-a-lago kind of offset the abortion dynamic? but, obviously, one is a very small story about one man. the other is a story that impacts literally millions of women in this country! i think that is one story line

to keep your eye on. and some of these republican nominees are not completely tied to president trump. in wisconsin, the new nominee is. so that is someone who cannot separate himself from donald trump moving forward or will completely lose his identity, i think. >> up next for us, we will continue this conversation. another house republican who voted to impeach trump loses a primary. there were ten. the final test is next week. it's a big name. if you have this... and you get this... you could end up with this... unexpected out-of-pocket costs. which for those on medicare, or sooto be, is a good reason to take charge oyour health care. so consider this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan

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another house republican who voted to impeach donald trump did not survive her primary contest. butler conceding in washington's third district last night. she says she has no regrets. quote, i'm proud that i always told the truth, stuck to my principles, and did what i knew to be best for our country. our great reporters are back with us. congresswoman butler concedes. ten house republicans who voted to impeach donald trump. he vowed to exact his revenge. four decided not to run. it's no doubt that that factored into those decisions. three have now lost their primaries. three have lost their primaries. two won their primaries. we will see how they do in the general election. those are generally safe republican seats. liz cheney's is next week. it is possible if she loses that if you're scoring this in trump's math, take two.

>> yeah. remember when the first retirement came in, i think it was adam can kinsinger. he put out a release one down, nine to go. 8-2 on that scorecard is not a bad record. but the fact that his personal grievance politics is driving this whole process to eradicate some of these members from the party because they voted their conscience in the aftermath of the insurrection i think that is what liz cheney is referring to when she says that her party is sick. >> you spent a lot of time with donald trump and the politics of grievance. we got the poll out and circled around. liz cheney is the one he wants the most. >> yeah. we will find out very soon whether or not he gets it. it certainly looks like he probably will and that it will be an 80% kill rate effectively by the president for these republican members who voted to

impeach him. i think it tells you a lot about what another donald trump trump would on look like. he is always driven by grievance politics but seen it amped up with the revenge endorsements and attempts to get these republicans out of office. if he wins another term, you can imagine a whole other list of people in the civil service within the federal government, we have seen reporting from axios talking about some of the plans that have been already drawn up. it will be a central focus. >> if liz cheney loses next week and not end the argument. you saw her dad in a minute-long ad in wyoming essentially say this is about donald trump and this fight will not end. >> political royalty in that state. cheney's. it doesn't matter any more because this is donald trump's party. no one made better use i think of their time than liz cheney in terms of the january 6th committee and donald trump has not liked what has come out of that committee and only want to

made him want to see her out of congress more than ever. she has a couple of months more months left. she might win or lose and we will see and we know that we will hear more from the january 6th committee and -- >> i will a lot of members of congress that their own bully pulpit and their road to reinventing themselves after office for liz cheney, she has other options and the end of a term in congress is not the end of her voice or her advocacy. >> i'll connect. a lot of republicans saying this investigation and the fbi warrants emboldens trump to go and clear the field. i suspect if she loses or wins or seat in congress that there could be a 2024 republican candidate on the republican side. see you tomorrow. ana cabrera picks up our cocoverage after a quick break. oh, man. hey!

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