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good evening, tonight, new reporting, just as department officials pushing that fog meant to do one thing it tries never to do and caused disaster to last emitted. namely going public about an active investigation of a political figure close to an election, in this case, a former president. who, ironically, benefited the last time the department straight from that policy back in 2016. the very public reopening of the fbi email investigation. this latest development, which we will bring you details on shortly, comes 2 days after he became the first current or former president ever to be hit
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with a search orange. just hours at the becoming the first to evoke is 5th amendment right against self incrimination, which is a. pillar of civil rudy, which she used to say only mobsters do, until he took the fifth, and saying we only mobster say, whenever they are searched. in this case, without anything the backup, that federal agents planted evidence when they searched more legault on monday, which quickly became a republican talking point. that's the case for lindsey graham, the senator, which is judiciary committee who coalition know better. he leota a toxic smile and not along with. >> we know they doctored evidence. we know they plant evidence. we know they hide evidence. we know they leak. this is not anything new. this has been years that they have been doing. this. we are waiting for the guy to come out and give a statement about what is predicated. what? these people are out of control, senator. this country is on the edge of
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a cliff, man. i am telling you, this country is at the edge of a cliff here. >> again, that is a member of the senate judiciary committee, a champion like the former president pretends to be of law and order. just customary back a couple weeks ago. the former president's first time in washington essentially since the attack incited on enforcement, and it was billed as his law and order speech. >> we are living in such a different country, the one primary reason there is no longer respect for the law, and there certainly is no order. these are great people. border patrol, ice and our police, of course, all of our law enforcement -- >> all of our law enforcement, he says, great people, except for fbi agents, who applied for the search warrant who he is not being sworn upon and his followers in congress are threatening to defund and dismantle and dragged for committees if they want control
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in november. great people, except for the federal magistrate judge who approved the marlowe go search warrant, whose identities are not being concealed because it gets under life. great people, in fact, except for any member of law enforcement not being targeted for violence, people like steve bannon, inciting with baseless allegations like this. >> i do not think it is both the administration state apparatus to try to work on the assassination of president trump. i think everything is on the table. i think it has been carried out the highest it's ever been. >> that is just a hint of the darkness being spread with no evidence or facts to back it up, all because a man who once wore an oath to uphold the law of the land, does not like it too much when they apply to him, even laws he helped sign, such as the fisa amendment reauthorization act, which may cover the documents taken from our law go the other day. that act, which took effect in
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january 2 dozen 19, increased the penalty of on authorized removal or retention of classified documents or material for a year in prison to 5 years. that was the president that signed it, president trump. we will talk about that in a moment with conservative attorney, george conway. there's also new word on what led up to the search. there is that to talk about as well. first, we begin with the pressure inside the justice department to say something about the search. evan perez joins us with more. what are those saying is about the search? >> i think you can hear a lot of frustration from officials that because the justice department was not saying anything, it has left at the void to be filled by donald trump and some of its allies, which is what he had done, during the mueller investigation, and he is doing it right now. he has called what happened on monday a siege. as you pointed out today, he
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has suggested that the fbi may be planting evidence while they were at the monologue of property. again, this was a search done by fbi agents who were playing quoted, did not wear typical rejects. they did this somewhere around 10 am on monday, not in the predawn hours, as you often do the searches. they were trying to make this less of a spectacle. instead, what has happened is the former president has taken this opportunity to make it a political scoring point for him. we hear from folks inside that they understand that the shadow of comey looms large over the department. because the form president has gone out publicly and said everything, they believe it is time for the department to get back some of its agents, as you it up, now facing threats because of the claims that are being made by some of the
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republicans and former president himself, anderson. >> republicans should know better, frankly. there is new reporting for the wall street journal regarding interactions between the justice department and those in the presidents orbit leading up to the search on monday. >> absolutely, one of the strange things about this is that we know that there are multiple, several months of off camera conversations between the justice department and the president's legal team. according to the journal, one of the things that seem to tip the balance for carrying out this search was the fact that they had a witness or somebody who told federal investigators that they believe there were additional national security documents that were being stood there and monologue oh against what the rules are. that is the reason why they took this unprecedented action, which is to go in there and retrieve the documents themselves. again, this is something the journal says helped tip the
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balance to make the fbi go into mar-a-lago on monday. anderson? >> essentially, an informant tipped off the department of justice about official documents and where they were? according to the journal. >> according to the journal, right. keep in mind, we knew that the national archives had retreived15 boxes, but there was disbelief there were addition documents being stored there. we knew they were having these conversations in june and in months in between. what the journal is saying is that there was additional information from a witness that helped tell the agents, essentially, that this is where it is. this is the reason why these documents are still there. >> evan perez, appreciate it. more now on the magistrate judge of florida who signed off on the search warrant and the potential danger he's facing. cnn's donie o'sullivan issuance now. he is in los angeles covering a conference. where are you learning about
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that sprain against the judge? >> anderson, we are see people openly on social media calling for violence against this judge, calling for him to be killed, so much so that i wanted to show you the web page of the court down there in the southern district of florida. up until last night, yesterday evening, that paid you see there, which is blank, says access the night now -- up until last night, there was details about that judge there, about his staff, about the address of the court, contact details. sometime over the past 24 hours or so, it looks like the court has actually taken those details off line, why? because there are so many people on social media talking about violence against this judge and looking for where they can find him. >> how prevalent are these kind of threats online? >> we have been looking through sites book on the fringe that a lot of trump users use, trump's
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own platform truth social, and we are seeing a lot of these posts. one thing that has struck out to me is that not only are people posting what was the address that of this court house, but people are asking for this judges home address. just over the past hour or 2, i was taking a look through major platforms like facebook and twitter, and i saw instances on both platforms, actually, of where what purports to be this judges home address being posted. i asked a facebook and twitter about those posts that we identified, have since been taken down. it gives an insight, anderson, into the degree that this is being shared online. >> donny o'sullivan, appreciate it. protected from a attorney, george conway. george, do you think they should make some sort of public statement about the search? >> i really don't think they need to say anything more than what their procedures are, and
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what their processes are generally for the issue on search warrants and the conduct of investigations, generally. i think the whole point of rule of law is that the law applies equally to everyone. it applies to government officials and private citizens. it applies to the rich, and it applies to the poor. it applies to people that look like you, and people that don't look like you. i think one of the issues here is that the reason why the government does not publicize search warrants is to protect the rights of the accused or the potential accused, or people being investigated. it's really for donald trump's protection that they went in their quietly and executed a search warrant. it really was for the protection of people being investigated in case it is determined that they are in fact not guilty of any offense that could potentially be described in the search warrant. that being said, if donald
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trump believes that this is a witch hunt, this is a fabrication by the government ought to get him, well he has a copy of the search warrant. he knows what materials were taken. he is by law supposed to be given a document that reflects the materials that were taken by the fbi. let's see that. he won't produce that for the same reason he took the fifth. state court deposition today, he knows it is not helpful to him. >> a lot of norms in the republican party have been upended for a long time now, but the republican party traditionally touted its dedication to law and order. have you been surprised at all to see lindsey graham smiling and nodding and agreeing with a fox news host, talking about planting evidence and other republicans who are sounding as if, for obvious very political reasons, i'm not sure they believe it -- who are all back in the former president and his outrage?
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>> lindsey graham, a member of the senate judiciary committee, he is a shameful, disgraceful, appalling cowherd. he knows as well as anyone that it is ridiculous to assert that the fbi planted evidence here. it was just a remarkable display, even for him, of cowardice to sit there and not and say, yeah, yeah, yeah. he knows better, and they all know better. today, it has become fashionable in the republican party. it is disgraceful and appalling to basically attack law enforcement, when it is going after people they like. and to praise it when they go after people they don't like. that is not how the rule of law works. lindsey graham knows that as well as anybody, but he is too cowardly to admit in this case. >> there is also threats of civil war from far right groups,
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republican lawmakers comparing the fbi to kiss couple. saying that they're coming to you too. they certainly seem dangerous for anybody to be using that kind of rhetoric, whether you are on the right or left for whatever reason, even the violence we saw on january 6. >> right, we have in the past, federal judges, killed, not that many, fortunately, and we had a couple of years ago, when there was a federal judge in new jersey whose family member was killed -- we are starting to see the potential for concerted attacks on the judicial system. that kind of language, that kind of threat is one of the most dangerous things you can have in a democracy and every country. it is one of the things you see when a democracy has collapsed. we need to do everything we can to stand up for the judges. remember, on january 6, the reason why trump's attempted coup failed was in part because
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of the judiciary, state and federal judges from coast to coast, democrats and republicans, including trump appointees to the federal bench, stood up and struck down donald trump's merit-less claims that there was election fraud. and, it's more important than ever in the circumstances that we find ourselves in today, through the cowardice and shamelessness of the republican party that we stand up for the rule of law and stand up for the people thaten force and apply the law. the judge and thankfully congress -- added to the protection of the judiciary recently in response to the threat made against justice kavanaugh. we need to do more of that and we need to make sure that anybody that these threats are investigated thoroughly and the people who make them are prosecuted. >> you think this has strengthened the former president standing within the republican party?
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>> i think it may have strengthened his standing among certain parts of the party. i think that again, what we are seeing is that this provides another opportunity for people in the republican party to act like cowards. and that is one of the reasons why the republican party has reached the debased levels it has reached today. that being said, i don't think for most americans who don't support donald trump trump lost by 7 and a half lightly, which is what donald million votes in the last election, i think for most americans, they are going to be appalled by those threats to our democracy and to the judiciary and law enforcement. >> george conway, appreciate it, thank you. next, more on the former president's testimony in new york civil case against him, just a short trip from his 5th avenue apartment to implement amendment downtown. and later, a competition with bernie sanders and his take on
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president's out for a deposition with new york city toonie general in lower mid hadn't. he sat but did not say much beyond invoking his fifth amendment right against self incrimination, which is everyone's right, not just his. that said, you would have thought it would be the last thing he may have done based on what he has said in the past. listen. >> the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they are not prosecuted. when you have the man who set up the illegal server, taking the fifth, i think it's disgraceful. have you seen what is going on in front of congress? fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment, horrible, horrible. >> horrible then, his right
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now. join us now, somebody who has seen and heard about when it comes to former president, let's get investigative reporter and syracuse university law professor. david cay johnston. -- david, based on your -- and how he has comported himself, in previous legal situations, i don't suppose you were surprised at how he took the fifth today. >> no, i don't think any competent lawyer would have advised donald not to testify. because donald has a long history with skilled lawyers who get under his skin and then he says things that come back to hurt him. there is a federal judge who once found his extensive testimony under oath was not credible. so, there is no loss to donald by doing this with his followers. and he has reduced exposure for whatever is coming down the road, from the justice department and others. >> traditionally, one might be embarrassed as a former
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president to be taking the fifth, but that is something he is immune from, embarrassment. >> it is utterly shameful. and tell donald trump unimaginable that a former president would rely on his fifth amendment rights against incrimination. but donald is shameless. and it does not bother him one bit. he has no sense of shame, and of course donald believes in his own mind that he's the only person who is competent. all the rest, we are all idiots. and we should be bowing down to donald and letting him run the country. remember when he was president he said, when the president is in office, he is all, he is all powerful, which, of course, is nonsense. >> how high are the stakes of this civil course in case -- allegations whirling around him right now. but this one involves his family business, and really, to some extent, his adult kids. >> well, ultimately, laetitia james could pretension
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potentially -- those down donald trump's business, the trump organization, kill the company. at this point i'm not sure that's terribly important to donald, given how he has moved on to being americas bigger -in-chief. and very successful at doing that. but more likely, there will be some settlement down the road. and frankly, letitia james has been rather feckless about this. when the new york manhattan district attorney stopped his grand jury and his two top prosecutors, she could've gone to the governor and said, i would like you to transfer the case to me. and the governor has unfettered power in new york to take any criminal case and give it to another prosecutor in state. letitia james won't even answer the question, did you ask for the case? i think she has been feckless in this. she has done a lot of publicity for herself. but her performance, not so much. >> in terms of the fbi search and mar-a-lago, there's obviously a lot that you know about the details of the
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warrant. to you, whether the outstanding questions about what material the former president might have taken with him? because what i don't understand two things is, why anybody -- obviously, why he would take classified material, if in fact he did, why, given that this has been floating out there for a long time, why he would have continued to have held on to it, knowing that if he did, knowing that that was something not something he was supposed to do, and why would he have that material -- >> will, from donald's perspective, his entire life, he is almost never been held accountable for anything. and a few times he has been, he has paid a financial penalty and gone out about his way. the other aspect you asked about, these are not insignificant documents. there is much too much overclassification of documents in washington. no question about that. but his fbi director, christopher wray the fbi
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director was appointed by donald trump. he did not sign off on this monday, an insignificant document. and there are some instances, not very, important, but they gathered a lot of material today. this is national security material. let's remember, more than five years ago, in may of 2017. -- invited sergei lavrov, the russian foreign minister, sergei kyslyak, the ambassador, and the task news, quote unquote, photographer, into the oval office and according to sources and methods, that's the most closely guarded intelligence secrets. how did we find this out and who did we find out it from? put out the stories in the -- not going to be so free with giving information. because we can't expose trust that donald trump won't expose our spies, or sources or methods.
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>> between the new details reporter tonight the fbi searched the --
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busy legislative schedule ahead of midterm elections it's been a very busy start to you august on capitol hill. i'm joined now by vermont senator bernie sanders, and independents who caucuses with the democrats. senator sanders, good to see you. on the inflation reduction act you gave a speech on the florida senate where you are very open about the flaws of this bill. but you decided in the anti supported. why? >> anderson, this planted faces an unprecedented crisis in terms of climate change. and the scientists tell us that we have a few years to begin to turn around and transform our fossil fuel system. this bill -- and the best thing about this bill is it puts over 300 billion dollars into sustainable energy and energy efficiency and, as a result of this, my hope and expectation is that you will see an explosion and wind, solar and other forms of sustainable energy. at this moment in world history, that is exactly what we have got to do. on the other hand, i will tell
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you, given the enormous economic problems facing working families in this country, i was very, very disappointed that we did not go further in addressing the realities facing the average american. we got a health care system which is dysfunctional. we pay the highest prices in the world for our health care and our prescription drugs. and we really did not make any significant progress in making health care affordable. housing, home health care, expanding medicare, all the needs of the american people that they have wanted us to act on, unfortunately, we were unable to move forward. >> so, when it comes to the provisions that were left out of the bill, that eventually passed the senate, what do you feel should be the top rider going forward? which is, what was left out? for you, is that health care? >> there is something fundamentally absurd when the united states is the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all
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people. we spend twice as much per capita as the people of other countries. and we have some 70 million americans who are uninsured or underinsured. that is pretty crazy. the function of health care is not to make the insurance companies tens of millions of dollars a year in profit. the function of health care is to provide quality care to all people in a cost-effective way. so, the fight, in my view, continues, for medicare for all, a single payer program, guaranteed health care to all people, will save people money. and that's what we should be doing. >> i do want to ask you about this photo the los angeles times took a view on the capitol steps. it's reported to be of you in the 13 hour of the so-called vote-a-rama to get the passage of the bill. a lot of people have talked about this. do you have any recollection where you are thinking when this photo was taken? >> yeah, i was thinking, i was tired. it was a long day. [laughs] that was the major thing. the second thing that i was thinking, i wear a mask when i
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was on the floor of the senate. and if you wear a mask for like, ten, 12 hours in a row, it becomes a bit of a drag. so, i want to go outside with a staffer and breathe some fresh air, get some sunshine. that was the whole purpose as to my being on the steps. >> well, as a shade dweller, i'm glad you are sitting in the shade. because too much sun is not good. the midterm election is obviously 90 days. if the inflation reduction act is ultimately signed by president biden, will democrats and independents like who caucus with, them -- pricing, guns, semiconductor manufacturing and infrastructure, do you believe making progress on those issues will help democrats in the terms? midterms? >> i think it is a step forward, and i think we got to be honest with the american people. for example, in terms of the prescription drug provision, and the inflation reduction act,
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medicare is not going to be able to negotiate percussion drug prices with the industry for for years. then it is only 10 drugs. again, in that period, if we don't change the legislation, we will still be paying, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drug. so, in my mind, you asked about the upcoming elections. and i think what democrats have got to be honest about -- i will say, look, we are fighting for working families who today are falling further and further behind. we have zero republican support in taking on the insurance companies, the drug companies, the fossil fuel industry, the big money interests. we're doing phenomenally well while working people are falling further and further behind. no republicans voted for it. unfortunately, we have to corporate democrats who are preventing us from doing what has to be done. so, to my mind, anderson, what this election is about, is the need to get three or more progressive democrats into the united states senate, so we can
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finally do with the american people want. for years, i have been fighting to expand medicare to cover dental, hearing and vision. about 80% of the american people think that is a good idea. we have to build affordable housing. we've got to do so many things. we need more progressive democrats in the senate to do that, so we are not stymied by two corporate democrats. >> i do want to just as before we go. last couple of days, obviously, in the wake of the fbi search at mar-a-lago, some of your republican colleagues were seen calling for investigations in the department of justice, calling for the attorney general to resign or be impeached, just that the fbi may have planted evidence. i know you probably don't want to speak about the substance of the case and i'm sure you understand that. but are you concerned about the attacks on the rule of law coming from republicans? >> look, and i think we should be honest about that and make it clear, that unfortunately, right now, and unbelievably, you have many republicans who are giving up on democracy and want to move us into an
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authoritarian form of society. and trump's big lie, this mythology that he actually won the election, is part of that effort. so, am i concerned? i am. it gets back to the point that i made a moment ago. i think that if congress does not begin to respond to the pain that so many of our people are feeling, they are going to say why do i want to believe in democracy? these guys take money from the rich, they ignore me, and if we are going to preserve american democracy, we are going to gain the respect of the american people, ordinary people, we have got to make it clear that we represent their interests and not just wealthy campaign contributors and the billionaire class. so, i think all of this is tied together. >> senator sanders, i appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> the victory one by two parents against conspiracy spreader alex jones. in a moment, i will talk with neil hesson, whose son jesse was killed at sandy hook elementary school. you testified that the trial
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with one of the parents of a child killed at sandy hook elementary school, who won a major victory against conspiracy to her alex jones last week, neil heslin. after a long fight in a defamation lawsuit, a texas jury aware the parents a combined $39 million for combined compensatory and damages. the punitive damages could be adjusted down according, to texas state law, but it is a huge victory, not just for mr. heslin but parents involved in two more upcoming cases against mr. jones and was certainly a huge victory for the truth. heslin's -- -- but neil heslin testified last week starting about 2013 that he first heard about the conspiracy theories that sandy hook never happened. and that's about the time he says he also heard the name alex jones.
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later, in 2017, he appeared in an nbc news segment that also included an interview with jones about the conspiracy theories, mr. heslin comments about holding his sons, after he had died, with the bullet wounds were later picked up by jones and associate on his broadcast. they essentially called -- about their never being a mass shooting. on the witness stand, mr. hatchling was asked to go into detail about the wounds to his son. at the funeral, they were advised to touch not to touch jesse's head because it was so fragile. >> it was stated that jesse was fake. that was an indication that he didn't exist. he did. you did live. i was present with him for a six and a half years.
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he's been gone [inaudible] times. thank god. i cherish those days. those years. we have jesse. >> mr. heslin also testified because of alex jones, he has had people confront him in public with lies about sandy hook, even to this day. some, he said, have mentioned jones's name. a few years back he said his home was shot at. someone drove by his home shouting alex jones. and he testified it sounded like gunfire coming from the vehicle. >>, --
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negligence and recklessness of alex jones. >> i'm joined now by neil heslin, in his first interview since that verdict. also his attorney, marc bankston. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> sitting on that stand, being in the courtroom, actions did alex jones did not have the guts to be there that morning. but you saw him in the courtroom in the days that you were there. what's it like? >> it was a great feeling to finally be there. for over 4 years, battle and a four year wait to be there, it was a good feeling. and it was a good feeling to finally see alex jones face to face. and -- >> does it make sense to you, the lies he tells? is it just about money for this guy? >> sitting in that courtroom for two weeks with alex jones, i got to know him just a lot
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better. i think a lot of it is about making the money, would he can make off of anything that is in the news. a lot of it is, i think, he just doesn't think about what he says. a thought comes into his head and he just blurts it out. >> he doesn't care about the ramifications? >> no, no, clearly not. >> and with that, there comes a lot of repercussions. and the recklessness for the people that are involved like myself, but then down the road, he's paying the price for his negligence and his recklessness. >> and for you, this was all about your son jesse -- >> yes it was. >> and about his legacy. could you talk a little bit about him and why you wanted to
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pursue this in the way that you did and sit on that stand and go through all of that? >> i felt it was something i had to do to protect his legacy. jesse is not here to do it for himself. if he was here, i wouldn't have been in that courtroom in the first place, i guess. and it's to protect my reputation and my credibility, which was severely damaged. and there's just so many levels and so many ripple effects of that in the statements that jones and troy are made. >> for so many parents, and mark, you know this, he talked about this -- for so many of the parents of the kids who were killed at sandy hook, their lives have been not only torn about by the slaughter, the killings, backed by the lies that have been told. and the people who believe
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them. >> absolutely. people have to remember this is just the first of many. neil scarlett lewis's was just the first to be told. -- i have two more lawsuits we are going to be trying against mr. jones. there's a lawsuit up in connecticut with a lot of the sandy hook parents there. the lies early were turned upside down. they have had an endless sense of torment for nine years now. and these cases really are bringing that to a head. >> this almost -- you almost lost your window of opportunity, which i hadn't realized until i was reading more about this. you are representing somebody else who jones had falsely accused of the shooting. how did you get connected? >> it was interesting. it was actually a young man named mark cell phone, he was falsely accused of being the perpetrator of the parkland shooting -- >> by jones. >> exactly. and they did it by taking the accusation off of a gutter website called 4chan. --
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that was when neil called me and he said, look, i have been trying to find somebody who will help me sue alex schoen's. a lot of people say it is too much, they don't want to take it on. i'm looking for a lawyer who will help me do it. he said, neal, you found one. that was four years ago. >> but the window of time had almost closed -- >> almost closed. >> for which you could file -- >> from the moment he called my office, we had three weeks to get a lawsuit on file or the statute of limitations would've expired for his claims in texas. at that same time, delauro's and -- were also brought in. we were able to have them on file. fully research. that required me, in about two weeks time, required me to about digestive out 150 hours of infowars. >> and you got all the text messages sent to you by the attorneys for alex jones, and that is just stunning. it's like this perry mason moment. >> that's the words that came right out of his mouth. to use a phrase that alex jones used.
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>> it was apt. it was apt. and you now have an entire generation of colonial's who are trying to google who harry mason's. that discovery process make sure the process comes out. win a guy like mr. jones dumps his nose at the court, there is ticking time bombs are waiting. so in the 12 days, before he hit the stands, materials were waiting. and when his attorneys failed to take the actions to protect, him they were able to prove on the stand he was a liar. >> -- january six commission. what do you want people to know about jesse? the pictures are just -- would've beautiful boy. >> i want them to remember what a six and a half-year-old little boy he was. he was full of energy, he was a force when he entered the room. he was happy-go-lucky. just -- >> that smile is incredible in this picture. >> yeah. also, his actions and his words
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saved nine of his classmates lives that day. when the gunman's gun jammed, jesse yelled to those kids to run. and they did run. it was his words and his actions that saved the life of those children. and it was brought to my attention after buy three of the parents of the runners. they thanked me for jesse's actions. >> the loss is it measurable. i appreciate -- it's an honor to talk to you and i'm sorry for all that you have been through. not only with the murder of your son, but with this sickening man you have had to deal with ever since. >> it was hard to do that trial. because i got emotional with it. and over the years, i have been able to process it and put so much of it in the back of my mind.
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and it's in a pretty good place. i do have trigger points, things that come up and are said that brain bring him to the front of your mind again. but that's trial just opened everything back up again. when i stated about older jesse and the gunshot wound, i have never said that publicly before. and it was just flashbacks to that, that moment. >> neil heslin, the courage it took to sit there, and be in the same room with that person. it was extraordinary. neil heslin, thank you. >> one thing i said when i filed that lawsuit is, if it
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came to a knock down drag out fight in the county courthouse, that is what it was going to be. alex started the fight and i was going to finish it. and i did say that i would deal with him face to face. >> and you did. >> i had words with him. but once that happened, everything i set out to do was accomplished. and we were in the trial, we had the positive outcome of the trial. and i feel really good. i feel good to be back home. but i'm really good with it. comfortable place. thank you. >> thank you guys so much, appreciate it. coming up, democrats immigration policies -- dozens of migrants detained at the border sent by buses by texas governor greg abbott. we'll have more on that is the
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they tell us it will fund programs for the homeless. but read prop 27's fine print. 90% of profits go to out-of-state corporations, leaving almost nothing for the homeless. no real jobs are created here. but the promise between our state and our sovereign tribes would be broken forever. these out-of-state corporations don't care about california. but we do. stand with us. >> early this morning, new york city officials set an additional three buses with about 100 migrants arrived from texas. as the city struggles with the
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surge in asylum seekers, it's part of texas governor greg abbott's campaign to draw attention to the crossing of migrants from mexico. the intake centers already overwhelmed, with more than 4000 people since the search began in may. new york city isn't the only place seeing an influx. migrants from texas and arizona have also been bussed to the nation's capital. cnn's priscilla alvarez has the details. >> this is the scene in washington d. c.. migrants arrived to the city from the u.s. mexican border. republican governors greg abbott from texas and doug doocy, of arizona, sending migrants to the nation 's capital earlier this year as an affront to the administration. now, abbott is also sending them to new york city. >> it's just a mean and cruel thing that he's doing. >> migrants are placed on buses without plans for what happens when they arrive in the cities. it's led to a difficult humanitarian situation on the
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ground that's largely being addressed by shelters and nonprofit groups. tatiana nora day is the director of samu first response, an organization with offices in washington, d. c.. the group has been trying to shore up resources to keep up with the pace of the rifles. >> we don't have the capacity to keep every bus, but we try to at least take half or more. we meet them, we give them a warm meal, we give them hygiene kits, and we give them guidance on how to get to their next destination. we prioritize women and children and our shelters, and were able to give tickets to a percentage of them. >> migrants on the buses have already been processed and are released in the united states while they go through their immigration proceedings. d. c. mayor has called in additional resources, including, she hoped, the deployment of the national guard. >> we have a growing humanitarian crisis that we
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expect that the federal government expects is only gonna worsen. >> but the pentagon declined that request, arguing it would negatively impact the readiness of the guard. the day's long journey originates from different points along the u.s. mexico border. 37 buses have been sent to washington, d. c. from arizona, carrying nearly 1900 passengers. more than 100 buses have arrived. abbott just began sending migrants to new york city last friday. >> is the city under strain? >> yes. >> d. c. council member brianne nadeau says the city is assisted immigrants for years. but texas and arizona have overwhelmed the system. >> truly, this is a federal issue that's being played out through political gamesmanship by republican governors on the border states. >> abbott maintains his actions are in response to the administration's poor handling of the border. adams has condemned the texas governor's actions, and recently issued an emergency declaration to procure shelter and other services.
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>> i can't think of anything more anti-american than shipping people on a bus 45 hour trip with out any of the basic needs they have or direction or coordination. >> it's not unusual for migrants to arrive in cities across the united states, where they're just dropped off. >> that's the case. -- the lack of coordination in this case and court mean occasion with the city's is what is straining resources. mayor adams says that he's in touch with the administration and the white house called the actions of both abbott and doocy both shameful and wrong in a statement -- as we have done many times in response to governor abbott's repeated attempts to create chaos and confusion at the border, we will work to manage the consequences of this latest political charade biden continuing to support new york
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