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hello, everyone. "at this hour" an informant reportedly tipped off the fbi to more classified records at trump's florida home. and the plot thickens, another u.s. official was targeted in the iranian plan to kill top american officials. plus gas prices fall below $4 a gallon for the first time in months. this is what we're watching "at this hour." thank you so much for being here. i'm kate bolduan.
many more details and questions about the multiple investigations into donald trump right now. the "wall street journal" reports an informant tipped off federal investigators to the possibility that there were more classified documents at the former president's florida home. leading to that unprecedented fbi search at mar-a-lago on monday. the big question this morning is who turned on donald trump. cnn has also learned that some justice department officials are pushing attorney general merrick garland to speak up publicly about the investigation to try to push back on trump and his defenders questioning the credibility of the nation's top law enforcement agencies. this extraordinary week in american history is seeing yet another first. a former president repeatedly invoking the fifth amendment in a sworn deposition as new york's attorney general and her team questioned trump for hours yesterday. trump refused to answer hundreds of questions. let's get to it, let's get started with evan perez. he is live in washington. on that tip that led
investigators to get the search warrant to head to mar-a-lago, what are you learning? >> reporter: well, kate, we know that there was at least one witness who told the fbi in the last few months that there were additional documents that were being stored at -- classified documents being stored at mar-a-lago, this is in addition to the 15 boxes that had been retrieved earlier this year. so it is clear somebody had knowledge, knew where they were and told the fbi this during an interview. now, the issue is, you know, there is a number of people obviously who were interviewed in the spring who had knowledge about where these documents were stored and the circumstances under which they came to be stored at the mar-a-lago. listen to mick mulvaney talking about what he knew when he was chief of staff to the former president.
>> i didn't even know there was a safe at mar-a-lago and i was chief of staff for 15 months. so this would be someone who was handling things day to day, so somebody very close, my guess is probably six or eight people had that kind of information. i don't know the people inside the circle these days so i can't give names of folks, but your instinct is a good one. if you know where the safe is and the documents are in ten boxes in the basement, you were pretty close to the president. >> and there is a huge guessing name now inside trump circles about who this person could have been because clearly this person knew a lot about where things were. >> evan, thank you. as is customary, attorney general merrick garland has not said anything about the fbi search though cnn has learned that some believe that garland should break protocol and make a public statement as trump and his allies are filling the void with conspiracies.
caitlin pkatelyn polantz is tras for us. >> reporter: and evan perez confirmed that this is such an extraordinary circumstance for the department to be into be executing a search at a former president's home. that garland should be out there making a statement. but we really have not seen him and the bottom line here is that that is just the way that merrick garland as attorney general works. the policy long standing at the justice department is not to comment on existing investigations, they often won't even confirm that they exist even if they are known. and we also know that it just isn't the sort of thing that garland has done with other major investigations in recent months or even years. he hasn't made statements when there was seditious conspiracy cases charged, those were really a big deal. and then even yesterday there wasn't a press conference after the announcement of these charges in this case about the plot to assassinate john bolton, that could have been an opportunity for garland to come out.
he just did not. and neither did the national security division, officials that were over top of that case and also would have been handling some of the issues here in the search of mar-a-lago related to classified documents. >> thank you so much. and so while all of this is unfolding, donald trump repeatedly invoked the fifth amendment during hours of questioning in a deposition in a new york civil investigation into the finances of his family business. and kerry, what does all of it mean? >> because he asserted the fifth hundreds of times, if the new york attorney general does bring a civil action against him and the trump organization, that can be used against him. the jury is allowed to take that as an adverse inference. but it is good news for him as far as this open criminal investigation because he didn't incriminate himself because he didn't answer the questions. we learned a little bit more color about what happened inside the room yesterday.
sources tell us that, you know, trump was in the room, the new york attorney general latitia james was in the room. these two have traded barbs against each other for years including yesterday morning as trump was heading into that deposition, he released a statement, you know, with more criticisms against her. so what we're told, his lawyer told me that trump is in the room, latitia james is in the room, she gives an opening statement and then he says trump -- basically says we're only doing this as a last minute decision. he didn't decide up today that he wasn't going to assert the fifth because he had been getting conflicting advice. then trump read as two page statement in which he is criticizing her calling her a renegade prosecutor saying this was a vindictive and self self-serving fishing expedition. and he didn't answer questions, just said same answer repeatedly. >> hundreds of times. four hours. that is a long four hours for anybody. thanks, kara. joining me now is steve moore,
retired fbi special agent and kim whaley, law professor at the university of boston and evan perez is back with us. kim, anyone taking the fifth hundreds of times in a deposition, and this anyone is also the former president no less, what does it say to you? >> well, remember this gives donald trump the opportunity at least with respect to what happened in new york allegedly regarding taxes and finances to say his side of the story truthfully if he wanted that to be the message that got out. instead, he i think in a rare moment took his lawyer's advice and decided that to answer the questions truthfully could potentially incriminate himself, could demonstrate his guilt, that is the fifth amendment that protects all americans. i think it is great that donald trump is finally standing up behind the constitution but as kara indicated in a civil case, the jury can be told that they can infer from that that the
government's point of view is the truth. this can't be used against him in the criminal case knowing as we all do his psychological profile is not expert, the fact that he doesn't sort of stand up on these things willingly. it says a lot that he finally after saying over and over again that only gangsters take the fifth, i'm sure that it was very difficult for him and in this moment it does demonstrate that what is swirling around him now for years, lots of allegations of wrongdoing, multiple investigations, are finally closing in and i think that that is good for the rule of law. it is good for democracy, it is good for the cause of justice frankly. >> and steve, while there is so much that is still not known about the fbi search of mar-a-lago and people really do need to appreciate that, there is this new detail from the "wall street journal" of investigators where they were tipped off by someone to more missing classified documents
still at the residence. the president's form he chief of staff said that it would have had to be very someone very close to the president to know that information. what does it tell you about this investigation? >> well, it actually kind of confuses me because, first of all, the person who would info have had access to trump and would have been credible, a very significant person himself or herself. and if someone just cold called the fibi and said i saw these thing, they probably wouldn't get a lot of traction on it. so what you are seeing is somebody who has given a lot of credibility enough to where the judge signed off on a search war
warrant. the bigger issue is that we're investigating the former president under the auspices of his successor and this is fraught with all sorts of risk on both sides. you know, peaceful transition of power is two things. one, relinquishing power and the person who takes it not getting retribution on the other. so we as a nation have gone since yoour inception without going after the outgoing office holder. so do it now, there needs to be a lot of explanation. >> let's talk about that, evan, because it is your reporting that some inside doj thinks that the department needs to say something about this. john bolton described it in an interesting way. let me play what he said. >> i think the nature of the times we're in, forget joe biden and the white house, that is not the issue here, the issue is former judge merrick garland and the integrity it i of the men,s
women, fbi agents, everybody who works at the department is being called in to question and i think the questions that are being raised have no bearing on reality. but somebody in the department has got to take up the qud you'lls. >> what is the debate within the department? >> i think john bolton crystallizes the debate that is happening. everyone recognizes that nobody wants to do a repeat of what happened when jim comey talked about it with hillary clinton. what you hear internally is that we have to say something because this search which is trump is calling a raid was done in the most polite way so to speak, right? they went in without raid jackets, no faooin fbi markings them, they came in close to
10:00 a.m. not the mark of what they usually do. and secondly it is achieving it open for the former president to claim that there was evidence being planted and it also really undermines the work that is being done because the work that being done is not only supported by this report of a witness but we also know that from talking to people that there is additional evidence that led them to take this step. so obviously they can't speak to a lot of this, but there is something that the attorney general can say to try to at least reassure the public that what is being done is being done for the right reasons. and that is his job. >> and kim, what evan was getting at is there has been conspiracy theories now thrown out by donald trump and others, including a sitting u.s. senator rand paul throwing out there that things could have been planted by investigators. and that is what john bolton was getting at, the credibility of the agency is at stake. you can ignore the conspiracy
theories, brush them off, but given the recent history with people acting on believing conspiracy theories, how dangerous is to ignore this? >> i don't think that there is anything merrick garland can do to shift the tides of the conspiracy theories. there are people being nominated for office across the land that still are touting the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. that horse is out of the barn and i don't think that merrick garland is going to say thing. i think that he will keep his head down a do the work of the american people. and the story is not about what did the justice department do or not do right. the story is about why did they go in. what was in those 15 now 25 boxes is contraband under the presidential records act, donald trump had no right to take any of that information out of the white house. he has no security clearance because joe biden hasn't given to him. we know that it contained
communications with north korea dictator kim jung-un. we know from robert mueller that he is tight with vladimir putin, that vladimir putin helped him get into office, that his campaign in 2016 communicated with vladimir putin. what i want to know is whether -- what happened, how important that is for national al security. and my guess is it is. because there were counterintelligence agents on the ground in mar-a-lago. i think that we all have to take a deep breath and trust the men and women of the american law enforcement apparatus that i believe most of which if not all of them are doing their best work in a fraught environment and that is what the story is here. there is finally some accountability and some steps being taken to frankly save american democracy from its slide into authoritarianism on many levels. and that is really what we're seeing in this moment. and i'm glad that merrick garland is not buying into the
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this? >> reporter: it seems as though the plot seemed to have been this pretty late stages. according to the justice department, member of the irgc, who by the way is not in u.s. custody despite already having been charged, he apparently contacted someone in the united states and at first said that he wanted a couple of photos of john bolton offering up the address of john bolton and then later said that he was offering up $300,000 for an assassination which turned out to be against john bolton. and he also said that he kind of wanted that to happen in the parking garage apparently above the residence where johnfrequen lot of traffic. but the person that this person was talking to was an informant with the fbi and the irgc member said later that he had $1 million for another assassination plot and the u.s. strongly believes that the person that was supposed to be assassinated was former secretary of state mike pompeo.
so this obviously very troubling and we have heard from u.s. officials saying that of course both former and current u.s. officials that are in any way involved with iran have gotten additional security. do want to he thinks in the iranians have also called all of it a fabrication, but they make no secret of the factto he thin iranians have also called all of it a fabrication, but they make no secret of the fact they want retaliation for the killing of qassem soleimani. >> thank you for that update. joining me is bill richard son, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. ambassador, good to see you again. what do you think of this? what is your level of concern now for other current and former u.s. officials? >> well, i think that there is a vulnerability and i believe our law enforcement people, the justice department, is acting appropriately, taking action, investigating. it happened to me incorrectly
before. i was doing a speech i believe john bolton was with me and a bunch of other u.s. officials in paris for an opposition group of the iranian government. and allegedly there was an effort to bomb the place but lucky some european officials found it. so this is pretty serious. and it shows the vulnerability of not just officials but former officials. and i'm glad the justice department is following up on this. >> john bolton was on cnn today and he said that this plot against him is an example of why the u.s. cannot negotiate in good faith with iran now. i mean, you were very concerned i recall when president trump pulled away from the nuclear deal. what impact do you think that this will or could have on any chance for a new deal and any diplomatic dealings with them? >> well, kate, you know that my main objective on american hostages, there are five in iran. and if a nuclear deal is
concluded, i think that it looks good to get the five americans out again on a prisoner exchange. so my hope is, look, if there is an iran nuclear deal, they got to be some safe guards on hostages, on iran not helping terrorists, there got to be the yemen situation, strong, hard and fast conditions. but i don't know where it is. i think that it is about to happen or not to happen. but i am concerned about iran having more uranium. i think it was a mistake that president trump got out of it unilaterally. i think that it hurt us europeans, it hurts in the region. so i think if we get our political prisoners out it may be a good thing do. b but we'll know any day now.
>> and as you have with other americans detained abroad, you are currently talking with the russians to try to help the u.s. government secure brittney griner's release. the russians confirmed for the first time today that they are negotiating for what that is worth. do you think a prisoner swap is the only way to get this done? >> yes, i do think so. because this is an issue that this is how the russians negotiate. now that the court system is over with brittney griner and has been over with paul whelan, let's not forget him, the american marine, then the russians and other countries that i dealt with say, okay, the court process is over, we're ready to negotiate. i think the president and his team have been very up front and good and said, okay, this is what we want to get this ruetur. they didn't do it directly with bout, but it is pretty obvious for griner and whelan.
so now the real negotiating through the government channels start. i'm helping but i'm not the official government channel, i'm not trying to replace anybody, but i do talk to both sides. i know a lot of the russians. i do talk to the administration, to the white house. i try to push the process along. but my foundation works for the families. in other words, the families ask us to get involved, brittney griner's family, paul whelan's family. and we were involved in trevor reed the american marine who two monthsing go got out . and the president had to approve that. so we are involved. but i think that the prospects are reasonably good. not instantaneous. that swap will happen. but, yes, i don't see how else anything else will than other than a prisoner swap. they are unseemly. they don't look good.
but we have to do them to bring our american hostages back. and it is not just griner and whelan that are in russia, there is a p.o.w. in ukraine, there are three other detainees the families have contacted us. so this is not over, but, yes, it will have to be a prisoner swap. i think it will be two for two, that is my prediction. >> and we'll keep talking. you mentioned iran. i've had the family of an american detained in iran now for years, i've had them on as they have been pleading their case as well. just an example of the huge job that you have in trying to assist these families to raise awareness and bring these wrongfully detained americans home. ambassador, thank you for coming on. >> thank you very much. coming up for us, it will soon be one year since kabul fell to the taliban and the u.s. oversaw chaotic withdrawal. clarissa ward is back in afghanistan. her report next.
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year mark of chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, one year since these images of people clinging to a u.s. military plane. clarissa ward is back in kabul reporting on what life is like one year later. >> reporter: i think that you can probably see behind me where at the market there is a sense of normalcy on the streets of the city. there is not the same sort of or anything approaching the levels of chaos and violence that we saw playing out during the heartwrenching scenes last year. but the change has also brought about a real decrease in the standard of living here. and a lot of people are now fighting to put food on the table. the u.n. says that nearly half the country is in a state of acute hunger. the international rescue committee says by the second half of this year, they believe -- well, we are now in that second half of this year, more than 90% of people will be
living below the poverty line. and that is for a whole plethora of reasons, partly because of sanctions and the freezing of afghanistan scheduled reserves after the taliban took power, partly because of the food crisis, partly because of inflation. because what you see when you go around, and i want to show you a little bit seeing as we're here in this market, you can see that there is food, there is food that you can buy, the market stalls are full. but the conversations that we've been having with vendors make it clear that for the vast majority of people, it has become unaffordable this food. so flour i was told by these vendors has doubled in price. cooking oil which is obviously one of the basic necessities has more than doubled in price. and that is not even before you start talking about the very real changes and the impact that they have had as the taliban has fw
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u.n. secretary-general is calling on russia and ukraine to halt all military activity near europe's largest nuclear power plant. and there is also these new satellite images showing several russian warplanes were destroyed and craters created near a runway in russian-occupied crimea. joining me is the ukraine's ambassador to the united states. ambassador, thank you so much for taking the time. at the same time that is happening, the pentagon has announced the single largest drawdown of weapons and equipment to be sent to ukraine since the start. what does this billion dollar package mean to this fight? >> it means a lot. and thank you very much, kate, for having me. as we are now entering the 169th day of this fight for our independence and our freedom, every package and definitely this current package that the
u.s. has just announced gist allows us to do -- to defend ourselves more effectively and to not allow russians to occupy more of our territories and gives us hope to actually liberate our territories which we have done in the past to the north of kyiv and which we really hope to do in the east and south. >> what is happening at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is hugely concerning. the u.n. secretary-general described it as suicidal. moscow and kyiv have blamed each other for the danger. is there any chance that danger is being driven by ukrainian forces? >> definitely not. it is even strange to hear, you know, that moscow can blame anyone but themselves. they are the ones who invaded ukraine. they are in our territory, this is our nuclear station that has been illegally attacked by them.
they are creating risky situation there from march 2022 and they are the ones who can stop it everywhere in ukraine by simply leaving the territory of our country. so if anyone is to blame here, it is russian federation for the war, for the war that started in 2014, for the war that continued into 2022 and for all the acts of genocides and the terrorism included in this nuclear terrorism that we are observing right now. >> how dangerous is the situation at the power plant? >> very dangerous. this the largest nuclear plant in europe. i think everyone lived in chernobyl catastrophe and this station is at least six times more than chernobyl. so it is dangerous and we need to eliminate the danger as soon as possible. that is why we're calling not only on russia but all our friends and allies to do everything possible to make russia comply and get out from
our territory from the station. >> on that note in a new interview, president zelenskyy is calling on western countries to ban all russian travelers. he did it in an interview with the "washington post." do you really want the western world to ban all russians from traveling anywhere? >> again, 169 days. but essentially eight years of this war. and yet we see russian people supporting their leader. so we cannot call this war the putin's war only. it is russian's federation war. and it is when we had a bad pro-russian, anti-western, and actually anti-humane leaders, we ukrainians in a democratic way changed them. so it is of course up to russians. but if they defend and support what their government is doing and if they defend and support this war, then they are as responsible as their leaders and their criminal armed forces. >> and i know you've seen them
and heard from them, the russians who have spoken up in defense of ukraine. we've seen people standing in the streets getting arrested in russia because of it. >> and we thank every russian trying to save their own country first and foremost. >> i want to ask you about the relationship between president zelenskyy and president biden because i was surprised to read the take tom friedman in the "new york times." he wrote this, privately u.s. officials are a lot more concerned about ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. there is deep mistrust between the white house and president zelenskyy of ukraine. considerably more than has been reported. madam ambassador, is that true? >> as we saw from comments of the national security adviser jake sullivan, white house was also surprised. i think that we never had better relations with the u.s. than we
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the cdc is calling it the very, very tip of the iceberg. the agency is worried after finding the first case of polio in the united states in almost a decade just outside of new york city. a senior cdc official says there are likely hundreds more cases already in the rockland county area already. cnn's elizabeth cohen has been tracking this. you spoke directly to a top cdc about this. what are they doing to stop this spread? >> they sent a team of cdc
disease detectives to rockland county, new york, to say what can we do to help because this is not a good situation. if you've got one case of polio, you very likely have much more. let's take a listen to the cdc's dr. jose romero. >> this is just the tip of the iceberg, the very, very tip of the iceberg. it's the rare case that cases paralysis. so that means there are must be several hundred other cases in the community circulating before you see this one case. it's not just this community. it's any other community surrounding it that has low vaccination rates that's also at risk. the spread is always a possibility because the spread is going to be silent. >> let's take a look at those vaccination rates that dr. romero is referring to. the vaccination rate for polio nationally is 92%, which is really quite good. in rockland county, new york, 60%. that's not good. in neighboring orange county,
58%. they want to get the rates up. they need to reeducate this community to say, you know, we know you weren't alive during polio, but when you look back in the 1940s, the 1950s, the children who were paralyzed, tens of thousands of them, you don't want this to happen to your child. kate. >> absolutely not, especially since it was eliminated in the united states in the '70s. good to see you, elizabeth. thank you so much. also at this hour, a teenager girl and her mother are facing multiple charges in a case involving nebraska's ban on abortions. part of the police investigation obtaining the mother and daughter's private facebook messages. cnn's claire duffy is tracking this. this happened before roe was overturned by the supreme court. what happened here? >> what happened is that police received a tip that this 17-year-old girl had had a stillbirth and was improperly, sort of, disposing of the remains along with her mother. as police started to investigate this, they're doing an interview
with the 17-year-old girl and she's scrolling through messages to check the date this happened. that's what tipped them off. they sent a search warrant to facebook, received her messages, images, as well as her mother's. those facebook messages, law enforcement says, show this girl and her mother were discussing abortion pills, discussing hiding the evidence. so they've been -- this has become now a part of the case. >> multiple charges they're facing. there's been a big concern following the supreme court decision and state actions over the role of tech companies that they would play and what they would do with user's data, i should specifically say, when it comes to enforcement of abortion bans. what is facebook saying about this? >> facebook said at the time they didn't know this was related to abortion. the thing is, tech companies don't really have a choice when they receive a subpoena about
whether to respond. digital privacy experts are encouraging people to community kate on signal for these sensitive conversations. >> it's a big squestion, though overall for tech companies. >> tech companies internally have said to their employees, we want to support you. we care about access to abortion rights. so this is sort of a tension they're going to have to deal with. >> absolutely. also, as time passes and more anti-abortion laws take effect in this new post-roe world, this is a complicated and sensitive situation, but we're going to be following more and more of these stories. >> yeah. we are expecting to see more of these sore reese. thank you for being with us today at this hour. i'm kate bolduan. "inside politics wth john king" starts after this break.
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