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jeff zeleny in jackson, wyoming. just how bad was this loss for cheney? >> reporter: in the short term it was a very bad loss. 37 points. for any sitting member of congress, that is unthinkable, someone for someone with the last name of cheney. certainly that gives you an indication of how much of a hold that donald trump still has on this republican party which certainly should come as no surprise. but cheney supporters of course were not expecting a win, but they were expecting a much tighter margin to send a much stronger message that there is an appetite for more pushback against election lies and misinformation. but that margin is short term bad news but the congresswoman believes it could be long term good news. they believe that she has not compromised her principles during the campaign, she didn't we equivocate like many republicans have done, so they believe that she leaves more enhanced.
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but we won't know if that is true for months to come. >> cheney's campaign created a leadership action committee. how does she plan to use it? >> reporter: they say that she needs a type of a platform to launch the next chapter of her lil life, if you will. and they will try to find republican candidates and programs independents and others to endorse -- who do not support election deniers, who believe the truth. but there may be a limited number of candidates do that. and she can use this to talk about her own campaign. but listen to huh she frhow she framed it last night. >> the great and original champion of our party abraham lincoln was defeated in elections for the senate and the house before he won the most important election of all. lincoln ultimately pre-veiled, he saved our union and he
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defined our obligation as americans for all of history. v he saved our union and he defined our obligation as americans for all of history.vee saved our union and he defined our obligation as americans for all of history. speaking at gettysburg of the great task remaining before us. >> reporter: of course that was the last line in the gettysburg address that lincoln used those words. and certainly the congresswoman tried to draw comparisons to abraham lincoln. unknown if they apply to this modern age of donald trump and this republican party. but one thing that is clear, liz cheney will be returning to washington to set her sights back on that january 6 committee. she is still in congress for four more months. that is her focus now. and those hearings resume in september. >> jeff zeleny in jackson, than. the results show just how difficult things have become for anyone who deviates in any way from the trump party line. and harry enten is with us. what does the data show us about
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how donald trump remains dominant? >> he remains hugely dominant. this gives you an idea. these are the house gop members who voted to impeach donald trump. four retired. four lost their primary. just two of them won their primary. so that is two and eight. that is not a particularly good record for those who in fact voted to impeach donald trump. but it is not just about that. let's take a look at some other races. these are -- this is trump's endorsement record, his win percentage in house, gov and senate races where no i believe con incumbents running. in 2020, he wofrn 96%. this year 88%. perhaps a slight downward trend, but if you are winning 90% essentially of the races in which donald trump has endorsed you in, that is a very strong
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record for trump. >> trump keeps hinting about whether or not he will run in 2024, seems likely that he will. we don't know when he will announce. how is he doing in the polls? >> i think he is do quite well. this is his national primary and i've broken it up by different time intervals. right now he is at about 50%. back six months, 51%. you go back a year, 54%. a year and a half, 53%. these are very steady data points. it clearly shows that about half or a little bit more than half of the republican electorate is behind donald trump at this point. and i want to give you a little history to give you an understanding of how strong that is. so these are the highest polling nonincumbents presidential primary leaders. only the candidates who ran or may run in donald trump's case at this point in the presidential primary season. so still very early. look at where trump is. he is at 50%. that is the third highest in any
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modern primary area. highest of any republican ever ahead of both of the bushs. and here is the key nugget at the bottom, all the previous highest polling candidates won their primaries. we don't know what will happen with trump, but all won their primaries. >> so trump would theoretically be running against joe biden. how is biden looking in the polls? >> this is rather interesting. we have good news for donald trump. how about a little bit of good news for donald trump? take a look at his approval rating. if you go back three weeks ago, he was basically bottoming out at about 38%. two weeks ago, 39%. last week, 40%. this week 41%. it is pretty clear that joe biden's approval rating has in fact been going up. we have seen a clear upward trajectory. now, what is the reason for that? well, to me it is joe biden may in fact be getting his groove back with his base. look at the reuters poll.
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four polls ago, he was 69% approval. three ago, 70%, and then 72%, and now 78%. so a clear upward trajectory overall. >> harry, thanks so much. let's discuss with our panel. skro joe walsh who is a strong critic of donald trump tweeted liz cheney didn't just lose, she lost by a lot. wasn't even close. she lost by almost 40 points. i know this is hard to accept, but i can personally attest to it, there is no never trump lane in this republican party, none, nada, zip. maybe in 30 years there will be, but not now. do you agree? >> i do agree. donald trump's capture on the republican party is total. and there really is nothing for never trumpers do at this point. it is not just trump anymore. we're never trumpers, but at this point it is the whole party.
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sdug mas doug mastriano, herschel walker. it is everybody that donald trump endorsed. so you have to defeat the ones that believe that the election was stolen, running on the election lies. they have to be defeated and only through sustained electoral defeat does the republican party have any incentive to come back from this incredible anti-democratic place it finds itself right now. >> and so listen to what liz cheney said last night about carrying on her fight against donald trump and trumpism. >> we must be very clear eyed about the threat we face and what is required to defeat it. i have said since january 6 that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again anywhere near the oval office and i mean it. >> she was able to do a lot and perhaps will continue to be able
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to do a lot as vice chair of the january 6 committee, but what happens after she leaves congress in december/january? >> well, she made it clear she certainly will continue on. i think that it is notable that while she raised $15 million for a house race, she hasn't spent all that much. and so now she can transfer the money into the new eventity, and that is a lot of resources to be able to amplify her message. so until and unless she does launch a 2024 bid, she will have a platform, i think that there will be members of the public who will want to hear from her. >> i don't disagree. i would just say we've seen having a position in elective
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office is a good position to draw one's attention to himself. she obviously won't be anymore. i'm a little skeptical that pac gives you an adequate platform on which to do that. even with a lot of money to, you know, run ads and that sort of thing. i think that she may be a little bit surprised thoo herat her pr will dip. doesn't mean that she can't run for president or have a role in the conversation. i just think when you are not in office, it is the fear of everyone who wants to run for president but isn't in office to do so, you have to find ways to get yourself into the news cycle. i think that liz cheney will have to find those ways in ways that she doesn't currently have to do. it is a challenge. >> and donald trump was able to find ways.
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>> exactly. she still has $7 million that was unspent and the january of committee hearing, they are pretty high profile. liz cheney, her father was the vice president, right? she knows how to use her position. she knows how to command media attention. she has all of this kind of interests, i would not say support, but people are interested to see wshe will say and do. and the republican party will have to deal with 2ru6r78, fo trump, desantis, liz cheney. and so interesting to see how the message carries. >> and the former ted cruz supporter i believe, a lawyer -- >> former anti-trumper. >> former anti-trumper who underwent a metamorphosis, she is now the republican nominee for that congressional seat which is a republican seat, let's be honest. university of wyoming released a
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poll last week showing that only 16% of harriet hageman's supporters, 16%, believe that job joe biden is legitimate president. whether or not one likes joe biden and his policies or not, he is the legitimate president as has been found in courtroom after courtroom. this is an insane lie that has been fed to the american people and has found a home in many republican hearts. how alarming is that, 16%? >> i'm surprised it is that high. 70% of the republican party believe the big lie. in fact the big lie and believing that the election was stolen and being willing to say that the election was stolen is the litmus test for most of these rep primary candidates. it was certainly part of how trump decided who he would endorse, people who would go to the mat for the big lie. and i'll just -- i think liz cheney will run and i think that liz cheney will run a kamikaze
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campaign for the truth. there is a long and noble tradition of people running for president to raise sale yience an issue and her issue is the election not being stolen. donald trump is a liar. it is not about putting liz cheney in the white house, it is about keeping donald trump out. >> and so former governor of new jersey was on the show earlier and she said that she thinks that liz cheney -- i think she said that liz cheney needs to run as an independent. you disagree? >> absolutely not. >> but the idea -- i thought that you were going in that direction because she could be like the way that ross perot was on trade deficits and the national deficit, she could be the third candidate on the stage making an issue of that. >> right. well, i feel that if we could read lizcheney's mind, i don't think that she could be that person in the white house. she is clear about her intentions, it is to block
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donald trump from going back to the oval office and i think that that is a lot for her do as an independent because you could see phenomsiphon off democratic and play spoiler. i think it looks like that she would run in the gop primary to try to block off that lane. >> but what are the odds that -- i mean, donald trump owns the republican party. what are the chances that people would even put her on the ballot? he won't go to a bdebate with lz cheney. >> my issue with the kamikaze comparison is that the theory is that it will do damage to what it crashes into, right? that is the whole point. >> at one's self. >> and what it crashes into. i don't see liz cheney crashing into 2kudonald trump and doing any meaningful damage. if damage could have been done to donald trump and his assault on truth, wouldn't that have happened over the last 5 1/2 years? i hate to bring up the donald
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trump if i could shoot someone on fifth avenue line, but that goes through my head all the time these days. what more could be said by liz cheney about donald trump that would have republicans say, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't nominate him. >> there are swing voters at the margins. that is what it is about. it is about margins. so liz cheney going toe to toe. the thing about donald trump in these primaries, he made everybody look small. it will be hard to make liz cheney look small. she is on a deep mission and i think that when she -- you're right, she may not be on a debate stage or go toe to toe with him, but right now she's telling the truth on the january 6 committee which doesn't have a huge republican audience. the republican primary does have a republican audience. so if she can peel some of the swing voters away, if she can increase the margin, she can keep trump out of the white house and i think that is the goal. >> i think the big question is whether or not she is willing to
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say that doug mastriano shouldn't be the governor of pennsylvania or kari lake in arizona. is she willing to say that even though she is one of the most conservative members of the house of representatives. >> i think so. >> look, liz cheney when she was a member of congress, she voted with donald trump 90% of the time. >> more i think. >> so shall i actually a very trump republican. and so she has to talk about that message and talk about the fact to your point that she is here to save democracy and hopefully that will pull some fractures within the republican party and primary in on years and hopefully that will could donald trump get the nomination. >> we shall see. should you get a fourth covid shot now or wait until the fall? new information about to be released that could help you decide. and good news about a little leaguer who suffered a terrible accident in the dorms at the little league waague world seri.
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booster shots are coming soon. a new type of covid vaccine will be available in september according to the white house and will offer more protection against the ba sub variants.
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and sanjay, what do we know about the new booster shots? >> these are combination shots meaning that they will target still the original strain, but also the new variants ba.4 and ba.5 in particular which are the most commonly circulating strains in the country. so this is something that has been discussed about the past. the original shot was always wor working so well, they stuck with it, but now they realize with the current vaccines they still work well against severe illness, but obviously has had a significant waning begins more moderate illness and against infection. so that is what is driving this. it still has to go through the fda authorization process but if that all happens, we're talking about mid september when these might be available. moderna's version of this just got approved -- authorized i
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others have sort of signals that we're might having out of the emergency phase, if you will, of the pandemic. and lee inareverting it more ba the regular medical system. so it could be covered by insurance if you have insurance, or covered in other ways, but not free through the federal government anymore at least that is what they are saying for now. if there is a significant surge again, things may change. but that seems to be where things are headed. >> the cdc has been criticized a lot through the pandemic. dr. witalensky announced a new plan to reform the cdc. can you tell us more about how the agency might be changing? >> broadly speaking i think that the criticism has been the cdc has been slow, oftentimes reactive instead of proactive. and sometimes too influenced by politics instead of public health. and as a result, there has been a significant erosion of trust. if you go back to the h1n1 days,
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the last significant pandemic 2009, you know, faith in the trust i should say in the cdc was close to 80% and now dropped 12 percentage points. so that is a concern when it comes to public health. and even the most current guidelines that the cdc put out, a poll said only 19% fully really understood that. so several things that they will be doing. they say that they will be doing. one is to speed up the rate at which communication really gets out there. i mean, that has been a big concern. sometimes there are recommendations made but you didn't see the basis of those recommendations for some time. translate science into practical easy to understand policy. by the cdc's own admission, so much of what they put out there was gear toward scientists not toward citizens. and you can see sort of the list goes on here in terms of their efforts, but they are planning not just for now, but for the future, possible future health
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emergencies as well. >> dr. gupta, thanks so much. mike pence opens the door to testify before the january of house committee, but he is offering a lot of iofofof ifs a. john bolton will be joining us coming u up. up to 8 weeks of relief with cytopoint. that's a lot more fun time, right max? yup. it's life-changing time. ♪ ♪ cytopoint is a long-lasting treatment for allergic dermatitis.
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we're back with the politics lead. former vice president mike pence saying today that he would consider testifying before the january 6 committee if asked. but a source cautions that that does not necessarily mean the former vice president is necessarily itching to do so
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because pence has serious constitutional concerns about appearing before the committee. let's bring in former trump national security adviser and former ambassador to the united nations under george w. bush ambassador bolton. do you think mike pence would testify if asked to do so is this. >> i think it depends on the is irkss. and there are ways do this and ways not to do it. if they want not a deposition, not raising his right hand, but a conversation with the vice president, not in public view, that may be a different story. it depends on whether the committee wants information or publicity. >> and speaking of testifying, you tweeted about liz cheney's loss. you said that her loss, quote, i did minutishes the republican party. i want to give you an
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opportunity to respond to criticism that went your way from john dean. he said, quote -- had you acted, speakinged a you acted and testified in the first impeachment trial, you might have persuaded them to remove him and we'll be done. moving pastinsult, if you could address the substance. >> if would have made no difference. the people that led the pee impeachment made the situation worse. they made no effort whatever to broaden the support for the impeachment in many, many ways. it would take a long time to describe. they were satisfied that trump had been impeached. nancy pelosi says over and over again he will always be
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impeached. and they failed to take into account that he was going to be acquitted by the senate. so the result is that they thought that -- they surely didn't think that they could remove him from office, but they thought that impeachment would constrain or deter him from further conduct. y but the malpractice felt that he was emboldened. and that wouldn't be alleviated by me or anybody else. it was a fundamental political flaw in the way that they went about it. >> and you referred to rudy giuliani as a hand grenade i believe during the whole ukraine scandal that led to the first impeachment. he is testifying before a grand jury, he is a target of the fulton county district attorney's criminal probe into the scheme to overturn georgia's electoral votes. you've been in the trump orbit. do you think that giuliani would be willing to go to prison to
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protect donald trump given the fact that he could not be pardoned by him at least not for a while? >> well, i don't think that he wants to go to prison, that is for sure. my guess is that his attorney said after the testimony today about six hours worth that he wasn't going to comment on it, which is interesting. but i suspect that it was six hours of taking the fifth amendment. >> let's turn to iran. following a string of planned or actual attacks on americans outspoken against the government of iran, including an assassination plot targeting you, an assassination attempt on iranian american journalist who we've had on the show, and of course last week's horrific stabbing attack on salman rushdie, i don't know what evidence exists out there, but what do your national security instincts tell you are all of these iran-related threats and
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attacks in such a short period of time, do you think that they are related? >> welsh i think that what you can conclude from all these, and more that have not bean ren repd and still subject to being watched and the rest of it, that the government of iran feels no danger from the united states. they think that they can act with impunity, even as the biden administration is on its knees trying to get back into the 2015 iran nuclear deal. they think that they can carry out what in effect is an act of war against trying to kill citizens of the united states on american soil. i'm not sure there is resident for this. this is not just state shop or ship of terrorism. this is state terrorism of an unprecedented level.
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>> what coundo you think presid biden should be doing? the threat was directionally against you, the rushdie threat was incited by iran and redeclared the fatwa just days before the attack. there obviously -- they are doing it on purpose. what should biden do? >> well, i think that they have to do more than issue statements saying that an attack on american will be met with reprisal. that is obviously insufficient deterrence and it means waiting until somebody is dispatched. salman rushdie was grievously wounded. it is a miracle he is alive. so if we have to wait until the revolutionary guards or their
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agents actually kill somebody before we do anything, then i think the iranians will continue to be encouraged. i think that you have to say we're walking away, you are an uncivilized government and you are not worth your word on anything and we'll take steps to protect americans and twider world against the world. not the nuclear issue here or the terrorism issue there, we need to do what we need to do to protect ourselves and our allies. >> ambassador bolton, thank you so much for your time. he is serving a three year prison sentence in japan for a deadly car crash. why that navy lieutenant's wife is pushing for a meeting with president biden. she will join us next. tub over tub process installed in as littttle as a day. bath fitter. it just fits. visit to book your free consultation.
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in the world lead, syrian government is denying that it has any information about the whereabouts of american journalist austin tice. tice vanished while reporting in syria. the syrian government denies that it has kidnapped or hiding any american citizens. syria has not publicly address the whereabouts of tice since 2016. the statement also comes one week after president biden says that the u.s. knows with certainty that austin tice is being held by the syrian government. also in our world lead, the wife of a navy lieutenant who is in prisoned in japan held a protest outside the white house
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year prison sentence after getting in a crash that killed to people. there was no evidence of drug ares on alcohol involved in the crash. alkonis' family paid the victims' families more than $1 million in restitution as is customary in japan, but japan still sentenced him to three years in prison. the family of liuiieutenant alks was they wanted to get the attention of president biden and hoping for a meeting with him or someone in the u.s. government to discuss their loved one's imprisonment. and joining me now to discuss the fight to release lieutenant alkonis, his wife and trevor reed a former marine recently released from russian captivity after being held for more than three years. brittany, your family common sdr demonstrated outside the white house. what are you hoping that the biden administration can do for you and your family? >> ridge is being detained in a friendly country. he is being detained by our
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allies. we send thousands of american service members there to defend them and i believe that this is incredibly unjust. and that president biden can do something to send him home. >> and recently 20 senators sent a letter to the prime minister of japan calling for him to expel your husband, return him to the united states. >> yes. >> do you know if those senators have heard anything back? >> i don't know. >> so you've said that you thought your husband got an unfair shake from the japanese judicial system for this horrible tragic accident. why do you think that is? >> i'll answer in two ways. first, the reason we think that it is unfair is because his japanese attorney said that people that have been in situations like his that have made a complete settlement, zero percent have gone to prison. our settlement -- settlements in general are very important, and
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very important part of the japanese you additional system. the one we made was incredibly large. and now the reason that i think that it was allowed to happen is because a member of the aggrieved family is a high court prosecutor in mostokyo and he h significant influence. >> and trevor, you attended the alkonis family protest outside the white house. in april you were released from captivity in russia. why are you involved in ridge's case? >> i think that up until now, this has had relatively small coverage about ridge's case and i think that it is important that americans know that, you know, that we have americans being wrongfully detained not only in hostile nations but nations which are considered to be our allies. and i hope that that attention will, you know, get the white house and get the d.o.d. moving
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to do the right thing. >> and we know public attention had an impact another biden administration moving on the prisoner swap to get you out. bri brittany, you've said in the fall ridge's leave runs out. have you talked to the navy about why they would extend it? >> what means to us, pay it cut off, benefits are out off, no health care, kids can't attend school in japan. and so we'll have to leave. and if we leave, that means that we'll go three years without seeing ridge, without talking to ridge, there are no phone privileges. >> how much contact have you had with him since he's been incarcerated? >> i saw him for 20 minutes the day after his incarceration where he is now, he is allowed two 20 minute visits per month. other than that, we sent him some letters and his military legal adviser was able to go see him last week. he was able to confirm that he received our letters and just
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pass along a few things from ridge as well. >> trevor, you are familiar of course with how difficult it can be for the united states to negotiate the release of citizens in foreign hands, foreign captivity. you of course withheld in russian kacustody, an eadversarf the united states. japan is a close ally. i would think that it would be easier to negotiate. >> that is my opinion as well. so i think that if you are dealing with a party like russia, china, iran, north korea, syria, something like that, it is obviously a different ball game. but with japan, i don't really see there being, you know, such an obstruction to bringing ridge home. i think that that may just take a phone call. you know, they are not trying to exchange anyone, they are not holding him hostage. they are trying to export the u.s. for something.
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all it would take was for someone here in a leadership position to calling and say, you know, do the right thing, let ridge go home. >> do you have brittany? >> i would say be optimistic and hang in there and, you know, to just think about what ridge is feeling and try to support him in any way that you can and just know that even if you don't hear from him, that he loves you. >> and lastly, cnn is an international cable news organize. we're seen all over the world. i don't know if ridge is in a common area and cnn is on. just in case that is the case or his lawyer is watching, anything that you want to tell him? >> unfortunately, ridge will not see this. he is allowed out of his room three times a week to shower and that is it. but i do love him. if his military legal adviser
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sees this, i'll be emailing him anyway, but just let ridge know that we're still fighting, that i'm so sorry that i can't be there. but as soon as i feel like we've done all the work that can be done here, i'll be coming home. >> and maybe he'll bring him a little individeo clip of it on phone. >> they don't let phones in, but hope springs eternal. >> we'll keep attention on this. trevor, congratulations on joining the avengers. coming up, one school district is pulling dozens of books from shelves, books such as the bible and tony morrison's the bluest sigh. but they were just approved by the school board, so what has changed? stay with us.
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♪ ♪ in our national lead the keller independent school district near fort worth, texas, is getting national attention after the school board there ordered 41 books to be pulled off library shelves for review. many of the books deal with lgbtq and transgender issues and it also includes the bible and anne frank's diary. apparently, there are new members on the school board so they're doing it all again? >> right. the book banning controversy continues. a little bit of context in h
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history. last year it challenged books brought by parents in the school district area and those 41 books that you talked about were reviewed. by our count, two-thirds of the books were either returned to the shelves or put in grade-appropriate levels like middle school or high school depending on the book. many of the books deal with lgbtq inclusiveness issues and because of that in may, three new school board members were elected to the school board. those three members are in large part by a right-wing christian political action group and that group just a few weeks before school has started and the first day was today has decided that it was going to re-review these books and just yesterday, principles in the district received a book that once again all of those books need to be taken off the shelves as the district reviews those books once again. >> as you know, many of the books on this list deal with issues surrounding young people who are gay or transgender. is this about inappropriate
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content in terms of sexual content or is this about not wanting there to be any acceptance of lgbtq youth? >> well, we received a spread sheet from the district, jay, that broke down the reasons why the parents gave for these challenges. sexuality was one of the predominant themes. for example, you talked about the bible was one of the books that had been banned. the parents said it was inappropriate content and it contained stories of violence, misogyny and sexual misconduct and should be excluded because of that. anne frank's dieary adaptation because it was too much for anyone under 18 to handle. both of those books were put back on the shelves. jake, it is also clear that liberal parents are taking exception to this.
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one parent complained about "donald trump's art of the deal," they don't want an author who is a criminal writing books and the fox news website and one parent saying that website shouldn't be available either. >> ed lavandera, thank you very much. we'll take a quiuick break and right back. as someone with hearing loss i know what a confusing and frustrating experience getting hearing aids can be. that's why i founded lively. affordable, high-quality heing aids with all of the features you need, and none of the hassle. i use livelyearing aids and it's been wonderful. it's so light and so small but it's a fraction of the cost of the other devices. they cost thousands less. it's insanely user friendly. you take the hearing test online, the doctor programs in the settings. you don't even need to go into an office. they're delivered to your door in a few days and you're up and running in no time. it connects via bluetooth to my phone.
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