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judge to appoint a special master, an independent third party, to review what the fbi seized at his florida estate. trump also wants a more detailed receipt of what was taken by the feds. and for the government to return any seized documents that were, quote, not within the scope of the search warrant. >> while trump attempted to get his hands on those records, investigators are trying to track down additional surveillance footage from mar-a-lago. according to "the new york times," this marks the second demand for security video of activity around where the documents were stored, leading up to the fbi's search. and, in a cnn exclusive, we have learned the justice department has issued a new grand jury subpoena to the national archives. they want more documents in the investigation into the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. let's begin with the fallout from the fbi search of mar-a-lago, cnn's senior crime and justice reporter katelyn
polantz following with the latest. katelyn, explain the president's latest request here, the former president. >> well, donald trump here in his court filing yesterday, the first time his team has spoken in court after the mar-a-lago raid, or search, is -- he's essentially asking for a delay or a pause to be placed on whatever the justice department is doing with the boxes, the evidence that they would have collected from mar-a-lago. so essentially he's asking for two things, first is a special master, somebody who the court could appoint, come in and oversee the process, make sure the justice department investigators aren't using any documents that they shouldn't have as part of their investigation. he's also asking for a pause to be put on the justice department's work, while that special master comes in to play. and he's making some arguments. he's saying that he wants to make sure his constitutional rights are not violated, he wants to make sure executive privilege is maintained if he does have it. he's also, of course, in very
donald trump fashion putting out a lot of political arguments, his past gripes are included in this filing, he's saying he does want to be given a special treatment, essentially, as a former president. and also in this filing, there is some important things he shares, his side of the story. his lawyers write about trump having agency in directing compliance with the justice department as they were investigating and at one point they mentioned that his lawyer told the chief prosecutor on this investigation that trump himself was sending a message to attorney general garland, that he wanted garland to know that the heat is building up, the pressure is building among his supporters in the three days after that search of mar-a-lago. and then he said whatever i can do to take the heat down to bring the pressure down, just let us know, a very unusual statement to be made from a lawyer saying it was directly from former president trump to attorney general garland. but now we're watching how the
justice department responds. they say they're going to respond in court, we're also watching how the court itself would respond, there are a lot of legal analysts out there who believe there are procedural and legal shortcomings in this filing, so we're just going to see how it plays out in court now. >> goodness. lots to keep track of, katelyn polantz, thank you so much. now to a cnn exclusive, another development, the justice department issuing a new grand jury subpoena to the national archives. sources tell cnn the doj seeking more documents into its investigation into january 6th. >> so this new subpoena is just the latest indication that the department is intensifying its probe and broadening the scope into any potential role white house staff may have played in events leading up to the attack on the capitol. here is our senior justice correspondent evan perez with more on what officials are looking for here. >> this is reporting with jamie gangel, my colleague, and what we learned is that there is a new subpoena that has gone from the justice department, from the
grand jury that is investigating some of these issues, to the national archives, asking for additional documents. about three months ago there was an initial subpoena, initial grand jury subpoena asking the national archives to turn over everything they had provided to the january 6th committee. so what this -- this signifies is the investigation which is, by the way, led by a prosecutor and special grand jury that is focusing specifically on the role that the former president and his allies played in trying to impede the transition of power with these fake electors scheme, what this shows us is that this investigation is broadening, it is going beyond what initially they were looking at, which was taking a look at what the january 6th committee already had. >> evan perez, notable, thanks so much. joining us to break it down, elie honig, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york.
elie, good to have you. i ask the questions because there are multiple developments it seems every day and municipality investigations, so hard for folks at home to keep track. let's focus on the new development regarding the doj's january 6th investigation. what significance do you see in the documents they're now seeking from the national archives? >> so, jim, the national archives would be the custodian, the holder of documents from the trump white house. and we know from prior litigation that that would include memos, documents, notes made by people in and around the white house, on and around january 6th itself. that's obviously crucial documentation, it is from the key period of hours and days. of course, prosecutors want to see that. what is really interesting about this is as evan reported, this say broader subpoena. the first subpoena from doj said, archives, give us everything you've already give tonight january 6th committee. final. this one apparently goes even more broad than that and that's what i think is most notable about this subpoena. >> elie if we could turn to the first legal response, official
legal response from the former president's team to doj, and what kaitlan just outlined here in terms of what they're asking for, and i think one of the key questions that remains is that message from one of trump's lawyers to doj intended for attorney general merrick garland directly that katelyn referenced, saying people are angry, let me know what i can do to bring the pressure down. given potential obstruction is one of the things they're investigating here, how would a comment like that not just -- it is rare, how could that potentially play into any obstruction investigation? >> well, poppy, first of all, it is astonishing that this comment was made and that it is now being acknowledged. for a potential litigant, a person who is being investigated potentially to try to reach out directly to the attorney general is outrageous and terrible judgment. you have to look at what the message itself is.
it is essentially, hey, i know people are angry out there, let me know if i can help control things. there certainly could be a veiled suggestion there, reminding the attorney general that there was some anger in response to the search at mar-a-lago. so i think there is clearly some implications being made there by donald trump. i think the entire fact of the communication itself is really absurd and i think an abuse of power and i think steps over the line that any litigant would have with respect to the attorney general. >> elie there is something of a kitchen sink strategy from trump and his legal team here. you have trump's public comments attacking the search, his allies, then you have his lawyers saying some things on television that they're not saying in court. you say that many of their bottom line requests are unreasonable, but one to request a special master as it is known to go through these documents, reasonable. tell us why. >> yeah, jim. i think the bottom line request
in this motion are fairly routine and i think at least defensible. asking for a special master, let's make sure a third party takes a look at these, make sure there is no attorney/client privilege information, executive privilege information, asking for a more detailed receipt, that's normal, and asking to return anything that was seized outside of the scope of the warrant, that was already done here. all of that is normal. but the packaging here is really outrageous. this brief has all manner of unfounded accusations, conspiracy theories, sort of defensive statements from donald trump that are just simply not supported by the evidence and procedurally it is a bit of a mess as well. so we'll see if the courts give donald trump the benefit of the doubt. the bottom line asks here, though, are not entirely outrageous. >> one point of fact here that i think is important for people to just understand is that there is no legal requirement as you put
it that all avenues be exhausted before a search warrant, right? a lot of the complaint from the former president, his team, and supporters, is why didn't you just subpoena more information if you wanted it. they previously issued a subpoena, but to the argument of why didn't you initiate another one instead of a search warrant and arrived unannounced, no legal requirement there, right? >> correct, poppy. so you don't have to have exhausted all other mechanisms before you go to a search warrant. all you need for a search warrant is what the government did here, what prosecutors did, establish probable cause of a crime, and establish that you're likely to find evidence of that crime in the place you're searching, a federal judge reviewed that and agreed with it. as a matter of reality, practicality here, doj did try the easier ways. first, the national archives asked for documents, they got some but not all. doj did serve a subpoena, they tried to do this the nice way, the easy way, they still didn't get everything. they're under no obligation legally or otherwise to say,
well, let's try again with another subpoena here. they were justified in going to a search warrant, legally and practically. >> all right, elie, thank you, as always. also this development, a new court filing in a -- is detailing a dra matic close cal between chuck schumer, then the minority leader, and a member of the proud boys. our senior washington correspondent joe johns is on capitol hill. good morning. this is stunning. tell us what the documents reveal in terms of what nearly happened. >> well, what we are told in these documents is that a member of the proud boys may have come within four to five seconds of having essentially what would have been a face to face encounter with senator chum schumer, one of the most important and powerful members of the congress, the majority leader of the senate at this stage. and, of course, what we are told is that the senator was in the basement of the capitol complex with his security detail, they
were trying to escape the building essentially when one member of the security detail says he actually made eye contact with joshua pruett, the member of the proud boys and, in fact, he could hear joshua pruett as he got closer and he said he felt like they were being chased. now, another member of that security detail identified in the paper only by his initials ml said that he was the one who believed pruett was only four to five seconds away. he also wrote a letter to the court, i'll read a little bit of it, every day i enter the beacon of our country, the u.s. capitol, i relive memories of that day and none are more impactful than the most i saw mr. pruett approaching us with the intent to inflict harm on the majority leader of the united states senate. pruett has already pleaded guilty in this case of obstruction of an official proceeding. he is expected to be sentenced
on friday. jim and poppy. >> one of several close calls that day, including with the vice president, joe johns, thanks for bringing us the details. right now, polls are open in new york, florida and oklahoma. we will look at the key races to watch today, including which democrat could end up challenging florida governor ron desantis this november. plus, the u.s. government says any americans in ukraine should get out now. i'm going to speak with the state department spokesperson about the warning that russia may soon step up its attacks on civilians in ukraine soon. also ahead, sources tell cnn the white house is leaning toward $10,000 worth of student loan forgiveness for borrowers who make less than $125,000 a year. we'll be joined by an economist from a nonpartisan research group who argues that may wipe out the benefits of the inflation reduction act. ♪ does it get better than never getting lost? ♪ does it get better than not parallel parking yourself?
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. welcome back. a busy month of primaries ends today with voters heading to the polls in three states. primary elections in oklahoma, much of the attention, though, really on the key races in florida and new york. >> no question. in florida, democrats will choose whether former governor charlie crist or nicky freed takes on ron desantis in november. that's a big race there. and in new york, two democrats who both have served 15 terms are now facing off against each other, this due to court mandated redistricting in new york. new york losing one congressional seat. cnn's jason carroll joins us now. jason, no matter the winner today, new york will lose a powerful high ranking well known democratic representative in congress. it is notable. plus, it is -- it is quite an internal fight here. >> reporter: it certainly is. that's why as you say there are so many eyes on what is
happening in the 12th district. when all is said and done, as you have said, when it is all over and the votes are all counted, someone is going to be looking for a new job. now that this district here, district 12, has been redrawn in the upper west side of manhattan, you have carolyn maloney up against jerry nadler, both of them in congress for more than 30 years. they have served on powerful committees. basically they're being challenged by the young progressive upstart, 38 years old, suraj patel. he says it is time for new blood in washington, d.c. throughout the campaign, both of the other candidates, maloney and nadler, have been saying it is not the time for new blood, you need seasoned people there in d.c. maloney saying not only do you need someone who is seasoned, the person who should be sent back to d.c. should be a woman. >> there is one thing that remains that i have not been able to do, and that is to
ratify the equal rights amendment and put women in the constitution. please send me back to finish the job! >> i think it is probably about my voting record more than anything else. people understand that i took principled progressive votes. >> they think everything is just fine in washington. and they think they're being effective at fighting republicanism. >> reporter: competitive race there, and another one to keep an eye on, guys, is new york's 10th district, that makes up places like soho and much of brooklyn, a crowded field, the man to beat there is a man by the name of dan goldman, a former federal prosecutor, one of the prosecutors during trump's first impeachment. he's heir to the levi strauss fortune. he spent money of his own money on his campaign. millions of dollars of his own money. two of the progressive candidates in that race basically saying he's not the right man for the job. you have mondaire jones and
yuh-line niou, both calling him a conservative democrat, saying he's too conservative for the district. guys, back to you. >> jason, big day. thank you. let's talk about all of this with errol louis and cnn political analyst seung minh kim. it is so fascinating to see jerry nadler and carolyn maloney 30 years in congress each facing off like this. what are the issues in the race? they are align the on a lot. >> they're aligned on quite a lot, poppy. good morning. the reality is if you go back even over a 30-year period, they're closely aligned on many issues. there are a couple, but even those are in the past. the patriot act, they voted differently, iran nuclear deal, they came out on different sides. but think about how long ago those votes were. and so to the extent there are
differences, they tend to be personal, why the race got a lot personal, a little nasty toward the end here. >> there is another interesting new york race and that is the one between pat ryan, the democrat and the republican mark molinaro, this is a district that has gone back and forth. and how abortion is playing out in this race, because ryan is making it in large part about choice and freedom of choice, molinaro, a republican, perhaps knowing this is somewhat of a purple district here, he's vowing that he would not support a national ban on abortion if elected. it is an interesting race, is it not, that it shows potentially how abortion might play out in swing districts in this country in this cycle. >> it is a fascinating race, one i'm watching really closely tonight. while we should be careful not to read too much into the results of any one special election and this does, the seat is only for a couple of terms, it really can serve as a test case for the national mood and
seeing what parties' message will resonate in the swingiest swing districts, pat ryan is focusing heavily on abortion and abortion access after roe was overturned. and the republican marc mo mol r molinaro. >> what about new york's 23rd district, talking about buffalo and the surrounding areas. you have carl paladino facing off with the chair. he has a history of incendiary remarks, he said the attorney general garland, in this moment, using words like that, he at one point said hitler was the kind
of leader we need today and he has the backing of the number three among house republicans, elise stefanik and he has a good shot, doesn't he? >> obviously has a good shot. he's a very wealthy man and his name is well known. he ran for governor unsuccessfully in the past. this is the case where the republican party has to figure out what they stand for and who they are. palladino was the co-chair for trump in 2018. he's going against the current sitting chair of the state party, nick langworthy. they're trying to figure out which direction they go in. do you want a wild and unfit candidate like palladino who says whatever is on his mind, makes wild threats and sort of half apologizes for it and says it is all a big joke, do you treat him like the joke he says he's he i
he is, or do you go in a different direction? it will be an important indicator of why new york republicans choose to go. >> so let's go to florida if we k can. the race to see who will challenge ron desantis there. they're talking about ron desantis as a potential national candidate in 2024 for the presidency. can a democrat, can one of the democrats beat him in a state wide election? >> well, i think it is the conventional wisdom is that ron desantis has a pretty strong political footing in florida. he has no primary challenger. florida has definitely trended red in recent years. what is important about this democratic race -- or this gubernatorial race is two points. first of all, i think the -- again, abortion, the extent to which that plays and the democratic primary will be really interesting because charlie crist is a former republican, and he does have an older record of being less
favorable to abortion rights and nicky freed seize odd on that in the final days and weeks of the campaign. if she emerges victorious, that's another gauge of how powerful abortion is a motivating factor for democratic voters and also whoever wins in november, look, even if they do have an uphill shot against ron desantis, it does help sort of put together a template, a playbook for democrats to run against ron desantis, if and when he makes a national bid. it will be interesting to watch for those reasons. >> one commonality is when and how the abortion message and issue will play out. thanks so much to both of you. >> thank you. a stark warning, the state department telling any american still in ukraine to leave immediately. what led to this urgent security alert? i'll speak with the state department spokesman ned price. that's next. we're also a few minutes away from the opening bell on wall street. futures are down slightly, virtually flat. stocks looking to recover from
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information that russia could soon launch strikes, more strikes against civilian infrastructure and government facilities in the can country. this comes after ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says russia may carry out particularly ugly taattacks, including missile strikes. joining me now, ned price, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> good to see you, jim. >> can you tell us more about what the u.s. is concerned about in ukraine, what kinds of attacks specifically, and where? >> sure. well, we do as you alluded to have intelligence information available to us, which we have since declassified, shared with the ukrainian government, shared with the american citizen community in ukraine and in turn shared with the world that we have reason to believe that russia is willing to take renewed attacks against both civilian infrastructure and government facilities in ukraine. this could take place in the coming days, but also as you alluded to, this has been a
pretty steady state. ukraine faced brutality from russia for just about exactly six months now. tomorrow will mark the sixth month anniversary of this war, and if you take a step back, you have to remember on faebruary 24th, when president putin ordered his forces into ukraine, he expected to have them under his control within six hours. we're now six months into this war, ukrainians have fought valiantly with courage and determination and with a massive amount of security assistance that the united states provided. $10 billion, dozens of countries around the world have done the same, providing ukrainians with precisely what they need to defend their country, and to defend their democracy. >> on this threat, as you know, u.s. diplomats returned a number of weeks ago to the capitol kyiv. are u.s. embassy personnel under threat is there any
consideration of evacuating the diplomats? >> we have no higher priority than the security of americans around the world, including diplomats serving in kyiv, but also in potentially dangerous places around the world. we're always looking at threat information, this is part of the reason why we declassified this information and shared it with the american citizen community. if we determine that we need to make any adjustments to our embassy posture in kyiv, we won't hesitate to do that, we do have a team on the ground that is day in and day out coordinating with the ukrainian government, making sure we are providing them with the information they need, but even more importantly with the assistance they need to take on this threat from russia. >> as you know, russia is claiming that ukraine is behind the assassination of the daughter of the russian philosopher as he is known, supporter of putin there. does the u.s. have any information, intelligence, to substantiate the russian claims? >> couple of things on this, i want to be very clear at the
outset, we condemn the killing of civilians wherever that takes place, kyiv, kharkiv, bucha, kramatorsk, mariupol or in moscow. that is something that we never condone. a few points. most importantly ukraine has denied any involvement in this whatsoever. number two, you have to remember that russia is a security state. it would be exceedingly difficult for any foreign country, any foreign actor to undertake an operation like this on the outskirts of moscow, which is what happened. and number three, the ukrainian partners know as do we that there are effective means by which to hold russia accountable for their actions, for their war against ukraine. we have done that with financial sanctions, we have done that with export controls, we have done that with a number of other measures, and we'll continue to do that. that's how we need to hold russia accountable. >> early in the war as you know, u.s. intelligence was declassified that showed russia
had planned false flag attacks in the east. a terror attack that they would then attempt to blame on ukraine. does the u.s. have any information that would point to a false flag operation or the possibility of one in this case? >> well, jim, this is the tactic that russia resorted to not only in the context of the full scale invasion of ukraine since february 24th of this year, but really over the course of many years, going back to its aggression against ukraine in 2014, aggression against other countries and entities in the region. this is a tried and true tactic. we have a lot of questions about what happened in moscow. we don't have full clarity on this. but, again, this is government, this is a regime that is in many ways devious and would certainly wouldn't put anything past them. >> i want to ask now about the status of negotiations to gain the freedom of americans held in russia including brittney griner and also paul whelan.
you said the u.s. already p proprosed a substantial proposal. is the u.s. offering any additional russians in exchange now? >> we did put forward a substantial proposal to see the release of brittney griner and paul whelan. we have been working on this constantly and consistently ever since. we're in direct discussions with the russians about this. but we have a couple imperatives. number one, we want to see brittney griner and paul whelan released as soon as possible. discussing the details of this substantial proposal tends not to work in furtherance of that goal. we don't want to do anything, we don't want to say anything that could prolong their detention one moment longer. so we're going to continue to discuss this through the appropriate channels at high levels if necessary. as you know second blinken made
this point directly and frankly to his foreign minister counterpart, foreign minister lavrov, several weeks ago now and will continue to have discussions in private. >> ned price, thanks so much for joining is the program this morning. >> thank you, jim. good to see you. >> such an important conversation on a day like this. so ahead, the white house, cnn learned the white house is considering wiping out thousands of dollars in student debt for certain borrowers. our next guest says doing that to have a big impact on fighting inflation in a negative way. we'll ask him to explain why. next.
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on upwork.com right now the white house is weighing what to do about college loans as the current pause on most federal student loan payments is set to expire at the end of this month. cnn's new reporting overnight is that officials are leaning toward canceling up to $10,000 in debt for borrowers who make less than $125,000 a year. this decision could come as soon as tomorrow. let's talk about it. it is good to have you, mark, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> so i read through all your analysis and basically it shows that canceling this student loan debt for folks would undermine the inflationary work that the
inflation reduction act is set to do. and what the administration wants it to do. why? why do they cancel each other out? >> well, so the inflation reduction act saves maybe $300 billion in the first ten years. if we give -- cancel $10,000 of debt and extend the pause a few months, we'll be at that much in terms of cause. all the deficit reduction will be wiped out. at the same time, we're probably going to do more to increase inflation from debt cancellation than any inflation reduction from the inflation reduction act. >> so i want to get to the second point you made, and that is, you know, what is inflationary and what is disinflationary. so there are a bunch of economists, mark zandi at moody's, and heidi shareholt, who say they think you're wrong, and let me talk about shareholt, who worked in the obama administration, she says your
analysis is profoundly off base and the reason she says that is she points to the two plus year moratorium we already had on student debt payment, and she says basically folks have had this money in their pockets for two plus years and so cancelling this student loan debt would not effectively put more money in their pocket right now. how do you respond to that? >> what the folks are doing is pretending we're going to extend this payment pause forever. and it is true. compared to the extending the emergency era payment -- it would be disinflationary. that's not the right comparison. the right comparison is compared to repayments starting in about a week as scheduled. this is always meant to be a temporary pause. if it is a permanent pause, it is not student debt, it is student grants. >> what complicates this picture for the average viewer watching right now is that they're dealing with inflation near a 40-year high, much more expensive groceries, gas has
come down, but more than what they're used to, more expensive housing, transportation, i could go on and on. i wonder if you're concerned the possibility that restarting the payments in a few days worsens that burden on americans struggling with this inflation in this moment. that's the reality, right? >> that's exactly what it is going to do. it is not as if this is going to lift inflation from 8% to 9%. what this is going to do is make it more difficult for us to get inflation down to 2% or 3%, where it really should be. it is going to make the fed's job harder and it will increase the risk they have to drive us into a recession to get inflation under control. >> but it is also going to mean another bill, significant monthly bill for some folks on top of their higher bills because of inflation right now, right? and you're saying that's a burden the american people have to bear given the other negative effects in your analysis? >> that's sort of the catch-22 of this all. we could send everybody another round of checks to pay for their
inflation, but that would make inflation worse. what we need to do is get inflation under control. one of the easiest ways to do that is to ask people to start paying back the debt they already owe, make the principle payments they already agreed to and by the way while not everybody that has student debt is rich, disproportionately student debt is held by people that have advanced degrees and pretty good income and they can bear it a lot more than everyday americans that are seeing the cost of their gasoline and clothing go up. >> your analysis points to wealthier households with medical degrees or jds, attorneys. i think the cap at $125,000 a year would cut some of those folks out, not all, but some folks out. one other thing i thought was just interesting from what you guys looked at here is you found that student loan cancellation would not significantly decrease the racial wealth gap. i'm wondering if you could speak to whether you think there is a more targeted approach that
would be more effective. >> the issue is debt cancellation may reduce the racial wealth gap between two rich doctors, a rich black doctor and rich white doctor, but disproportionately, the 87% of americans who didn't go to college are disproportionately people of color. this would widen it overall. a more targeted approach would focus on income-driven payments and college affordability in the first place. that means pushing college to accept more ap credits and transfers from community colleges, more no frills degrees, cutting out administrative waste. we need to make college affordable, not send a $10,000 gift to people that already have in many cases already advanced degrees. >> marc, thank you very much. we welcome anyone from the administration to join us and counter your points.
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it is the top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm jim sciutto. we begin this hour with a cnn exclusive in conjunction with "the washington post," a twitter executive turned whistle-blower is now calling attention to security vulnerabilities he says pose a threat to national security, even democracy. >> that's right. this is someone who is very high up, formerwi
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