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that's it for us. the news continues. >> i want to hand it over to laura coates and cnn tonight. >> no jupiter news? nothing we can build off tonight. thanks a lot, anderson. fine. i appreciate it. i'm laura coates and this is cnn tonight. and here we go. another election night in america as we are inching our way much closer now to the midterm elections, which will of course decide which party either
retains or reclaims the majority in the house and the senate. now, polls just closed moments ago in new york, which is one of three states holding the final primaries of this month. frankly, all eyes are on the race that has pit two of the most powerful democrats in this country against one another. now, how powerful? well, one does chair the house judiciary committee, and the other, the house oversight committee. both have been in congress for three decades, and tonight one of them, or maybe even possibly both of them, could actually lose their seat. so why are they even against each other for the very first time? i'll tell you one word -- redistricting. but it's not just the map they're up against, and into this mix you can add the long-shot lawyer, seraj patel. politics, especially in washington, d.c. and beyond, has a funny way of turning friends
and colleagues into rivals, and that is what's happening here. maloney has allegedly been saying to people privately that nadler is, quote, half dead -- her words allegedly -- and is publicly thrashing him. >> i think that you should read the editorial in "the new york post" today. they call him senile. they cite his performance at the debate where he couldn't even remember who he impeached. >> oh, the old political "they." they say, some say, others would say, people say. well, his response? well, here it is to cnn. "it's obviously not true that i'm half dead. it's obviously not true that i'm senile, but i'm not going to comment on other campaigns. let them flail away." again, a washington, d.c. sort of comment in and of itself. but meanwhile in oklahoma, cnn projects republican congressman
markwayne mullin defeating the former statehouse speaker t.w. shannon in the runoff race to replace jim ien hoff. and a huge blowout in the battleground state of florida. democrats have picked their nominee to take on the current republican governor, ron desantis, in november. and cnn is projecting that they chose the former governor -- make in the former republican governor -- charlie crist, far outpacing his most formidable opponent, nikki fried, florida's agriculture commissioner. now, crist used to be republican, but now he's the democrat. he's going to take on -- he's going to go head to head with desantis. the republican view is frankly one of the biggest threats to donald trump in 2024. let's turn now to cnn's phil mattingly at the very magic wall. he's closely monitoring it all. phil, what are you seeing? >> we already got the answer on the likely next senator from oklahoma. we know who democrats have selected to go up against ron desantis in florida.
there's a few house races in florida we're keeping an eye on too. as you noted at the top, everyone is focused here on new york city where there are a myriad of races in a worst nightmare scenario for democrats because this wasn't what they wanted. this isn't the day that they wanted this primary to happen. however, when their new redistricting proposal was thrown out by a state judge, they were put in positions like this. carolyn maloney and jerry nadler, two liberal stalwarts in the house for more italian three de -- than three decades going up against one other. obviously sa raj patel pushing the idea of generational change is in there as well. here's what you need to watch tonight. the polls are closes. we'll see results in come in in a little bit. you're going to need watch jerry nadler coming from the upper west side has less of his district moving over. however, it is a high propensity voting district, and keep this in mind when you think about carolyn maloney and her upper eastside constituency. she has run twice against sa raj
patel in primaries. one of those primaries, the last one, she only beat patel by about 3,000 votes. the big question going into this is will he siphon off votes from carolyn maloney and create a pathway for nadler, who has been endorsed by senate majority leader chuck schumer, was endorsed by the new york time as well, giving him a boost in what has been a very, very ugly primary. as i mentioned, there are a myriad of races that democrats are watching. another one they're really keeping an eye on is right here. the may recognize the individual up top. dan goldman, former federal prosecutor. he's an heir to the levi strauss family. obviously served as a top investigator for the house impeachment committee for donald trump. he has used that particularly. dan goldman about 1,200 votes ahead at the moment. it's a big field. with goldman's money and his profile and what we've seen in mar-a-lago that he decided to
capitalize on, that he can investigate trump, perhaps that gives him a bit of a boost. watching those two. many more throughout the course of the night. it's going to be a busy night. when these start to light up, you know it's going to be fun. we get to start counting and all the name calling and insinuations and things people have said that i'm going to repeat, it doesn't matter anymore. this is what matters the rest of the night. >> it will become the ever so magical wall at that point. we'll check back in with you. thank you so much. here right now to talk about these things, our political experts to break down tonight's primaries and so much more. democratic 2020 presidential candidate john delaney. the former national coalitions director for the biden/harris 2020 campaign ashley allison. a and scott jennings. feel free to claim all the different phrases as your own. look, we're going to focus on new york initially because i've got to tell you, this is something i did not see coming. the idea that these two,
three-decade-long members of congress are going to go at each other, vying to actually keep their jobs, and this is really in part something that democrats may have shot themselves in the foot with, right? they tried to go toe and toe and think if you can gerrymander, we can too. >> yeah, it unfortunately backfired. i think when you see a nadler and a maloney running against each other, it's unfortunate for democrats. and the tone in which this race has turned, they were friends. they worked together, and they don't really have a lot of political ideology that is different. the thing that i think is interesting, though, and it's really too early to tell, the likelihood is that chairman nadler probably will pull it out. but you have a patel, and if i'm a new voter who might be new in this district, i'm going to be like, well, i do want generational change. i'm sick of washington, and these two folks who have been there for 30 years are going at each other's neck. maybe i'll try this new guy. so democrats did shoot
themselves in the foot. it's not just in this district. it's other districts that we see that, you know, are pitting two democrats against each other. and so it's unfortunate, and we'll see what happens tonight. >> before we go further, i want to hear your voice, but we have some numbers in. you said you thought nadler might pull it out. here are the numbers right now. we've got 66% of the votes that are in, and he's leading 55. that's actually a pretty big margin over maloney and certainly over patel as well. we have a little bit longer to go. what's your comment? >> i served with both gerry and carolyn maloney, and their voting records are almost identical. there's very little space between these two. i think the projection is that gerry is going to win. these are small neighborhoods. the generational point is a good point because i think things are changing a little bit in the democratic party. i think the president is changing thing. the president's had a great run. chuck schumer's had a great run. nancy pelosi has had a great run, particularly in the last
year. you can't really run on generational change as much when you see this stunning success that president biden, nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer are putting up on the board. and i also think the president is kind of showing democrats that the way to govern and lead is with common sense, kind of more moderate positions, a bipartisan approach. so i think you're seeing a bit of a change in the democratic primary voters than we saw in the last several election cycles where generational change was a huge push. and it's important, there's no question. >> so maybe it's more successful to have that platform if you don't have a string of victories in washington. you can say as a democrat, you're not getting enough done, is it that double-edged sword. >> president biden is winning right now. he's had historic successes. >> i heard you smirk. >> but he has. i mean by any measure. how did he do it? he went bipartisan, and he moderated. and i think democrats are suddenly saying, maybe that's how we win. maybe this is how we govern.
so i think you're going to see a change. the last several election cycles on the democratic primary have been who could go the most extreme on policy positions. i think the president started out that way. he pivoted, and he's been a huge success. >> you went from like a smirk to almost like a fa just now, and that is a crossword word you can use. >> he's got a 40% approval rating. 80% of the country thinks we're on the wrong track. these are not winning measurements. on this new york race, jerry nadler's closing argument was like he was a character in a monty python movie. i'm not dead yet. these are two of the nastiest liberal partisans in the united states congress. you know. you served with them. these people are the most liberal and the most partisan, and you see their true colors come out. one of them's going home. it looks like it might be maloney. from a republican perspective, it's good for the country. what you said about patel is
interesting because i hear democrats all the time talking about fresh faces, generational change, new ideas. let's welcome diverse. we had all that in patel, and he's bringing up the rear. i just wonder if this is a democratic talking point that the voters don't actually agree with because you've got two old, white, liberal, septuagenarians duking it out and the fresh-faced guy is bringing up the rear. >> just because somebody doesn't win their first race doesn't mean that the party isn't ready for -- >> well, it's his second time, right? >> but it's a new district, right? i would say that the district is more wealthy, more white, predominantly jewish district. i mean it's not -- it's not the most diverse district of new york city, i would say. i mean, i will take your point if we go down to the 10th dis district. that's brooklyn. goldman is potentially going to pull this one out. now, it's not necessarily because the party doesn't want change. it's because there's a lot of
progressives running, which means that the party is moving because we're bringing more people in that have progressive ideas to move this country forward. i will just say, though, on your point, joe biden had more young people turn out and vote for him. he had more people of color turn out and vote for him. and that is how he won. >> mm-hmm. >> and he has to keep promises. and the things that he is doing, he never ran has someone who was so to the left, and the policies he is running is no to the left. abortion is not a left issue. it's an issue that people agree with. minimum wage is not an issue. child care is not a left issue. every woman could have a child. these are issues that are not left issues. they're issues that change the country, and i think that's where the democratic party is going. and the republicans, he's not able to do it with bipartisan. so many of the republicans voted against the inflation reduction act that we know will help our country. >> let's face it. he did chips. that was a big deal. bipartisan infrastructure, big deal. gun safety legislation, big
deal. veterans health care, these are big deals. i agree with you. but he is fulfilling his promises on climate, on health care. >> absolutely. >> you know, but i think the thing about the nadler and maloney race, these are two super incumbents. so that is hard. it's hard to be one incumbent, let alone two. and they're not nasty people. they're very nice people, and they are good public servants. >> are you looking at what they're saying about each other? you're telling me this isn't the nastiest race going on? >> whatever is in "the new york post," i'm not going to take that as gospel of their character. but the point is this is a tough race for an incumbent -- i mean for a non-incumbent to run in. but i do think the polls are changing. we're seeing in the senate races, we're seeing in the house races the progress the president's making. it's starting to get into the electorate. his numbers may lag, but we'll see where they are in a couple months. >> and we'll also see where we are in the conversation in a couple minutes after a quick
break. ahead, new revelations about classified documents found at donald trump's home by the national archives -- get this -- months before the fbi search of mar-a-lago. and this is finformation first put out by one of the ex-president's liaisons to the archives that some argue could backfire on trump himself. so why was the letter put out by a trump ally? we have it for you next. sensodynyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takekes care of both our teeth sesensitivity as well as ourur gum issues. there's no question n it's something that i would recommend.
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so here's the question. did one of trump's allies actually further implicate the former president of a potential crime? after all, it was this letter that trump ally john solomon disclosed last night that revealed alarming new details about those 15 boxes of materials investigators received back in january. that's not what we were talking about before, the latest execution of the search warrant. but back in january. now, the may 10th letter
outlines how trump took more than 700 pages of classified documents, including top secret materials containing national security information, and that trump lawyers sought to delay the fbi and others in the intelligence community from obtaining those documents and actually even doing a damage assessment of what actually might still be out there. and they did so by claiming executive privilege, that very same claim that trump says should now afford him a special master to review the seized documents and determine if any of it should ever be returned. now, i want to get some perspective right now from my fabulous new panel. conservative attorney george conway, former chief of staff to the homeland security adviser miles taylor, and elliot williams. glad to have all of you here and your thoughts on this issue. first of all, george, why give
the letter out there? it actually outlines a lot of what you've done wrong. why would you front that? by you, i mean them. >> it's incomprehensible to me. basically that and the motion he filed yesterday are essentially admissions of guilt. >> yeah. >> and it's inexplicable to me other than you have a deranged client and bad advisers, both legal and political. that's the only explanation i have for it. but he is basically -- what he should be doing with this documents case is what he did in the new york attorney general case, which is pleading the fifth amendment and keeping his mouth shut. >> or maybe asking for that special master a lot sooner, right? i mean the idea of saying to themselves, hey, i spent two weeks and more than a day, right, and actually could you not look at what i gave you two weeks ago, and by gave, i mean actually you took from my own home. >> to clarify and add a little bit to what george is saying here, what the letter does is it admits, number one, is they knew
they were either classified, sensitive, top secret documents, and, number two, continued to have them in their possession. what the letter also lays out is the sheer number of times the national records administration tried to get the former president to turn the documents over. so i think there's four times or so they go back and forth. >> which, to me, tells me elliot and guys you can't really play the victim if you are having the negotiation back and forth that most people would never get. >> and that's sort of a prudential point, sort of like you shouldn't do that. the simple fact is legally you can't do that because a big part of the statute is being able to establish, did you know what you were doing was a crime? they knew these were sensitive documents yet still kept them. >> and even worse, elliot took what southern said and raised it. i'm going to take what elliot said and -- >> are we playing poker? >> the stakes get higher for trump because one of the things that's been overlooked in the reporting is that according to multiple sources, trump went
through the boxes by hand in late 2021. so let's break that down. trump personally looked at these documents. multiple people can potentially testify as witnesses to that fact, and he did it last year. that is very, very bad. >> there is no galfall guy. he can't dump it on meadows. there's no allen weisselberg here. he did this. his fingerprints literally and figuratively are on these documents, and we have not heard a defense. we have not heard a single coherent defense. the only one they could possibly posit would be that he looks the literacy skills to understand what was in the boxes. but of course all you need to see is they were confidential, top secret, and he was told multiple times -- >> and also to clarify an important point here that sort of gets lost, when we use terms like classified, that might be someone's social security number. it may not be something that's a national security secret.
there's another class of documents we're talking about here that are ts/sci, secure compartment information. it's very sensitive information. there is never a circumstance or a universe in which it belongs in a private home, even if you are a former president of the united states. these are in where there are regulations in the kinds of windows that can be on the room, the kind of lock, how it can be shredded. >> i want to play it. solomon, who was his ally, was actually on bannon's war room today. let's listen to what he had to say. >> well, listen, when the raid occurred, the biden white house acted like they didn't know what was going on. they were just as surprised as the rest of the american public. but the truth of the matter is the biden white house, its general counsel's office, joe biden himself was at the ignition point of this investigation. >> you buy that, miles? >> i don't buy it. the reporting has come out that the biden white house has actually kept a very healthy distance from what documents have actually been found, and
they're letting the justice department run the investigation. if there's other evidence to the contrary, you know, i would second-guess that -- i wouldn't second-guess that. one other thing i want to know about these s.a.p.s, these special access programs, for americans who are trying to understand the bureaucratic speak in this, this is what we call code word programs. some of them, i wasn't even allowed to say the code word to other people. they were unacknowledged programs. this is the highest level classification that exists in the federal government. those are not things that a president of the united states as a standing order to declassify when he walks out of the office. >> but even then, classification doesn't matter under some of these statutes. 793, the espionage act, basically says all it has to be is sensitive defense information that could be useful to an adversary. it doesn't require any particular level of classification. the bottom line is to really take multiple steps back, these
documents were stolen. they're stolen documents. the fact that they are sensitive, that they are sci documents, top secret documents adds to the weight of whether to prosecute. >> they belong to the united states. >> the point is that they belong to the united states, and there's no need for a special master here because the pr privilege he's asserting is executive privilege, and he's not the president. >> also to the point, this idea that the biden white house was the evil puppeteer behind this all, it's a little bit of apples and oranges here. the justice department was conducting an investigation. the white house necessarily would have made the decision about executive privilege because the president holds it. the former president doesn't. >> they were capitalizing on the fact that if you have enough talking points, you can conflate anything and make it make sense. the idea of all this together, and i'm going to tell you right now, 20 bucks, i'm going to get miles to admit to one of the code words and say it on air
tonight. i don't know how. >> rosebud. >> it's coming up. it's coming up. i got lots to say on that point. >> if he did that, the fbi would be here by -- >> i would go back to the justice department just to prosecute -- >> i got to squeeze one thing in, though. george started off this segment by saying who are these lawyers? and i got to tell you, one of trump's lawyers is someone who was planted by the white house to work for us at dhs. and i'm going to tell you this is a person i had a lot of unease about being in the room when we were discussing very sensitive issues. >> why? >> i can't believe that's who's now advising the president. it's someone who -- these maga types who were planted in the department are the people who would have driven off the cliff for the president. you don't want your lawyer to drive you off the cliff. you want a lawyer that steers you away from the cliff. this is the type of person who will do and say -- >> the only lawyer -- >> who are you talking about? >> christina bob is one of his lead lawyers on this. she worked at the department of
homeland security. a very nice person. not the person i would have litigating this type of case for an ex-president of the united states. >> the only lore yawyer you wan laura coates. >> my fee is really too high. i'm just kidding. george conway's is higher. thank you so much. we're keeping an eye on primary results as they're coming in in new york. congressman jerry nadler leads congresswoman carolyn maloney with 66% of the vote. meanwhile, amid current threats to members of the fbi and the rise of violent domestic extremism, a verdict has been reached in a trial for the two men you're seeing right now, accused of plotting to kidnap the governor of michigan. we're going to talk about it next.
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all right. we have a new projection, and it's out of new york. jerrold nadler will win his primary against carolyn maloney and suraj patel. i want to bring back in our political experts. i'm assuming there aren't really big surprises here that jerry nadler pulled it off. >> no. this was projected. he had chuck schumer's report. he had "the new york times." this is not a surprise. >> this is all you need.
>> yi don't know if that's all you need. but he also has a great record as an incumbent, as does carolyn maloney. >> who steps up in terms of the chair of the oversight? it's a pretty powerful position. democrats have to think about what's happening next, right? >> i'm not sure who takes that role because she was -- to carolyn maloney's credit, which is really ironic that is redistricting, she was a champion for the census. she did so much in the state of new york in 2020 to make sure that every single person, not just in her home state but in the country, was counted. and now redistricting is the thing that gets her booted from her seat. so i thank her for all the work that she has done, but we'll see who takes that seat. >> does that validate it for you, this idea of the notion you were alluding to before, the sort of identity crisis of where the democrats want to be, the idea of a younger generation, more progressive. nadler obviously the same age as carolyn maloney, different than the person suraj pa ttel.
does that validate the fact this was predictable because the democrats don't really know what they want? >> i feel like we hear one thing out of the democratic opinion leaders about how they're the fresh face, new leadership, progressive leadership. then you get into a race like this, and the person who represented it came in a distant third. now, i know districts are drawn for, you know, various reasons, and this district may not have supported that viewpoint. but it is a common democratic talking point that they are the young party, the diverse party, the fresh new idea party, and they're sending jerry nadler back to congress and carolyn maloney in second place. i don't care which one of them goes home. i'm glad one of them is going home. i think the republicans are going to win the house and the next chairman of oversight is going to be from kentucky. whoever the democrats put in there have a lot on their hands. >> there's a lot more to happen between now and then. i want to travel for a second. i want to go down to florida.
we know that of course crist is the person projected to be the democratic candidate who will go toe to toe against ron desantis. he was once a republican. he then was an independent after he lost to marco rubio. and then now he's a democrat. i'm old enough and young enough to remember a time when political flip-flopping was, like, the worst thing you could do and try to be successful in office. why has it worked for him here? >> well, i served with charlie crist. i actually also served with ron desantis. i know them both pretty well. i mean, charlie crist is an incredibly skilled politician. he's a gifted politician. to your point, very few people could do what he did. he was a statewide republican governor in florida, and florida is a tough state. they have three or four big media markets. so he was very successful as a republican. then he won a democratic primary for a congressional seat, which tend to be very partisan elections. so he's a very skilled, very
common sense kind of moderate politician. he was that way when he was a republican. he was that way now that he's a democrat. i just think he's very skilled, and i think he's going to give the governor -- the governor'sd happens -- governors suddenly become very unpopular in their state when they start running for president because they become more partisan. typically when governors are popular, it's because they're moderate. they're consensus builders. they're getting things done. >> that's not why desantis is popular. i think it's the opposite. >> listen, he didn't start particularly partisan actually. he did some good environmental stuff out of the blocks, and then i think with covid, when he was being compared to new york governor andrew cuomo, they kind of had their rivalry and he suddenly kind of stepped into this national, political, cultural warrior that he's become, and i think his numbers in florida are going down as a result. so it's going to be interesting.
>> speaking of florida, val demings is somebody you can't pigeon hole if you're trying to undermine her campaign. she's not someone you can say this is someone who's going to be anti-law enforcement. this is someone you can't really pigeon hole, but she's got to run in florida, which obviously there's three major media markets. it's distinct in ways that other states are not. how does she have to run for november? >> i think she needs to be herself, and i think she needs to focus on florida voters and not become larger than life and make people start putting projections on her that if she wins this race, she could be the first black female president. no, that's not what she's running for. she's running for senate. she has a law enforcement background. she comes from a working-class family. she can relate to black voters, women voters, young people. she can relate to white voters in that state, and she's doing that. that's why when val demings first put her name out there, people thought she would be
blown out of the water and we wouldn't know what we're talking about. but she's now up by four points, and she could actually pull this off. now, the one thing i will say is that the republican machine in florida will outspend her, and so she's going to need to fund-raise. democrat voters are going to get behind her and let her run the race she can win. but i'm not counting her out, and i think she has a long political future. >> you're right. she's a terrific member of congress. she's a very good candidate. but what happened six years ago when patrick murphy was running against marco rubio, that was close for a while, and then the democratic party stopped funding patrick. >> that's her point. >> democrats have to make sure that they support her in this race because you're right. it's tightening. >> everyone stick around. we'll continue the conversation. we'll be right back with another big story. a guilty verdict is in for the plot to kidnap governor of michigan gretchen whitmer. what does that mean for the efforts to stop domestic terror
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them. today, jurors convicted adam fox, the ringleader of that plot, and his co-conspirator, barry croft. they were convicted of one count of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, and now they both face up to life in prison. it's a turn of events we should note because of what's happened in the backdrop, right? one, this trial is a redo. back in april, two of their alleged co-conspirators were actually acquitted in the kidnapping case, but the jury could not reach a verdict for the two men we mentioned today, fox and croft. and the judge then declared a mistrial. back with us, gebecause it was mistrial and a hung jury the first time, it's been about the fbi entrapment. this was them trying to punish them because they didn't like their history of talking badly about law enforcement online. it turned into kind of a free speech meets distrust of law
enforcement migeets modern day conversations. >> the defense tried to make it look like they were a couple of lazy pot smokers. there they were in body armor training with live weapons to go execute this attack. these aren't a couple of lazy pot smokers. these were domestic extremists, and these were indicative of the militants we're seeing across the country who are being recruited into domestic terrorist circles that we need to worry about. the jury rightfully made this conviction, and i think it sends a strong message to the other cases the fbi is investigating. you are being watched. you will be arrested. you will be prosecuted and put in jail. >> you mentioned fbi. it was no mistake that defense counsel wanted to infuse their closing argument to say, look, this is the fbi who is doing this. remember the backdrop of all of the controversy surrounding the execution of a search warrant on mar-a-lago. it's no coincidence they tried to play up on that fundamental mistrust.
is it effective in the long run? >> i don't know. i mean i agree with everything that miles has said. i think probably what really happened here is the government learned its lesson after the first case on how to try this particular case. you as a former prosecutor can appreciate that. it's an easier case the second time because probably the two guys who were least involved or less important got off so they could focus their fire on these two who were convicted. and i read a press report that said basically to the effect that the government this time put a lot more emphasis on statements that these guys had made before this investigation had ever begun. and they basically blew away any defense of entrapment, that these guys were pre-disposed. entrapment is a hard defense to establish. >> this case is -- i'm not a lawyer so i'm going to give you my political opinion about these cases in general. two things we should all believe. number one, political violence cannot be tolerated. it has to be tamped down.
it has to be taken very seriously no matter who is committing it. so if you are worried about political violence, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to take it seriously. number two, we have to trust juries. we've had a lot of in this country over the last year and a half, a lot of controversial cases that have enraged one side of the political spectrum or the other. and if you want to have trust in institutions, you have to trust juries. and so when the jury comes back and makes a decision, you have to trust it. and in this case we had two trials. juries came up with different decisions in both cases, but, you know, i trust my fellow citizens. it's an awesome responsibility to serve on a jury. they take these jobs seriously, and obviously they heard what they needed to hear to get to a conviction. >> you alluded to this point, the idea of people were mad about what we said before. these conversations of, look, this was just big talk. we're just talking, a lot of bluster and a lot of chest thumping here.
i heard that argument a lot as it relates to conversations about what's going to happen whether it's january 6th or whether it's discussions about the dhs bulletin and being based on grievance-based politics. at some point, it goes from you don't just sort of brush it off that someone a gjust talking bi talk. >> it's not just big talk. if you remember before 9/11, that's when we heard the word chatter. after the attacks, there was a lot of chatter leading up to the attacks and a spike. dhs just last week released a bulletin with the fbi saying they're seeing a spike in chatter about civil war and armed rebellion. these fbi agents are nonpartisan. they don't bring the cases because, as scott noted, there's a left wing terrorist or a right wing terrorist. we're seeing a spike in cases, a spike in the rhetoric. law enforcement is worried and the public should be too. >> that's part of the dhs bulletin. actually, the idea of the chatter was part of what the prosecution was speaking about
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is a reality. i wonder why you think governor gavin newsom decided not to support this measure? >> i don't know what is political calculation is. but certainly stigma drives a lot of this. what we know is that addiction is a medical disease and it is a treatable medical disease. the statements in consumption sights show that they do not bring new users in. they actually have shown to decrease public consumption. they have shown to decrease drug paraphernalia. they've shown to decrease crime. so the evidence is really
clear. that this is a highly effective strategy to actually save lives, decrease crime, they are good for drug users, they are good for addiction treatment. and they are good for the community. so, i think this is a really good political strategy that i would like to have seen earlier. >> i don't put words in government's mouth. and i agree with the statement he extra violent as well this very notion. i'm gonna put up on the screen here. because it is possible, i think he says, that these sites would help improve the safety and health of our urban areas. but if done without a strong plan, they could work against this purpose. these unintended consequences in cities, like los angeles, francisco, and oakland. it cannot be taken nicely. worsening drug consumption challenges in these areas is not a risk we can take. when you think about that sort of cost-benefit risk reward analysis. is he right? obviously, if it is done correctly it can go against all
the things you just spoken about. was that risk very real here? >> the data wouldn't support that risk. when we look at consumption sites and other countries like canada, they do not increase drug use. they do not increase crime. they are really designed to help drug users get into treatment. and to keep him alive. they are not bars. these are not playgrounds for drug uses. these are medical facilities that help people who are struggling with addiction. i think the thing that we struggle with, as a country, is thinking that drug addiction is some. moral problem that it is an ethical disease that should be criminalized. really what we need to get to a point is to understand that addiction is a treatable medical illness. and people who are struggling with addiction need help. at this point in this country we have to recognize what we are doing is not working.
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thank you for watching everyone, i will be back tomorrow night. don lemon tonight, starting right now with, of course, don lemon. hey don lemon. >> can i let you in on a secret? can we share something? >> yes, just between you and me. >> i was going to show these two guys who are sitting here, crunching numbers. can we take one of these cameras right here? wow. we're coming out of a break, we're coming out of the break. it's so true. yes, so, that's what i have to deal with. >> electoral geek squad. >> exactly. >> it is election time. we will get to it. thank you laura, i will see you tomorrow. >> this is don lemon tonight, and obviously, since i showed you, it is primary night in america. we have breaking news. here is what cnn is projecting. congressman jerry nadler, will meet congresswoman marilyn maloney in the