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a potential political shift heading into the midterm elections, democrats are optimistic tonight after a special election house win in a swing district. the campaigns focus? abortion rights. is that the winning playbook in post roe america? let's bring in now cnn
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political commentators alice stewart and political analyst alex burns. he is the co-author of the book, this will not pass. trump, biden and the battle for america's future. good evening, one and all. thank you so much for joining. alex, we're gonna start with you. we need a reality check on the midterms, everybody's been anticipating a red wave, but that seems to have shifted significantly in the past month. what are you expecting now? >> don, i think there's no question that the circumstances of this campaign have changed substantially since the start of the summer. and it really does help to take a step back and look at the big picture here. the president's party almost always does terribly in the midterm elections, and democrats are probably going to have a pretty rough november. but when you think back to where we were at the beginning of june, with sky high gas prices, the biden agenda dead in the water, or so it seemed, and the republican party facing different kinds of internal turmoil but not in a way that
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was driving the dynamics of the midterm campaign. well, that was then, and this is now. and i don't think if you had had that special election in upstate new york early in the summer, i don't know if you would've had the same outcome, because now you have is a democratic base that's more engaged. they feel encouraged by what's happening in washington with biden's legislative achievements, legislative achievements for democrats on the hill. you have divisions in the republican party much more in the foreground of the campaign. and yes, you mentioned it in the intro, abortion rights moving to the forefront of the midterm debate has been a huge challenge to republicans. and this election in new york just showed the party doesn't quite know what to say to voters who are disenchanted from biden, who are uncomfortable with democrats, but believe in the right to choose. >> go ahead, alice. >> don, i think that race that alex is talking about, cd 19 in new york, is a bellwether contest.
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this is the first opportunity we've had in the primary season in a special election to see a republican versus a democrat head on, and the democrat who won, ryan, used roe as the cornerstone and really the focus of his campaign. but i don't think that abortion and roe v. wade is the key ingredient to his success, the secret recipe for him was row, it was part roe, it was part falling gas prices and it was part good old-fashioned politicking. he was a really good retail politician, went door to door and really worked on the retail politics to win this race. so all of those factors together. -- >> we had him on, just on the last hour, and he said that abortion and roe v. wade that was the cornerstone to his campaign, even putting out an ad. just explain to the viewer, he won this house seat in a new york swing district last night after casting his campaign as a referendum on roe v. wade. he said the ground is shifting
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beneath republicans feet. and they are panicking. go on. >> republicans are looking at that race as a huge wake up call, it does send a signal that democrats are very galvanized behind that. and we can't wait until the 11th hour before the general election to get out the vote. so, i know of social conservative organizations that are getting bus tours ready, get out the vote efforts, volunteer groups to galvanize the pro-life community to get them out to vote. early on in the general election process. but this was certainly an opportunity for us to realize that democrats are just as motivated about this as we have been on supreme court justices for the past decade. so, both sides are really looking at that is an opportunity to buckle up and get out the vote. >> let me bring someone else in the conversation, cnn political commentator paul begala welcome to the conversation. harry enten you know, data as i call him, cnn numbers crunchers,
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he will crunch these numbers for us. he said democrats have now outperformed biden in 2020 and each of the four house special elections since roe was overturned. traditionally, the party in the white house loses the seats in the midterms, but do you think this year could be different? >> could be, don. i wouldn't have told you that six months ago. but when the roe decision came down, the dobbs decision came down, 49 years of constitutional rights ended. something changed. midterm elections are always a brake pedal, and almost always a brake pedal against the president. voters yesterday in new york, voters in florida, they're starting to say, whoa, we need a brake pedal but it's on the republicans. the constellation of issues, trump, abortion and guns, has made a lot of voters say, whoa, we do need a brake pedal, but not a brake on biden. we need a brake on the radical extreme republicans who try to take away our rights. that's what pat ryan ran on in a very tough district and that's what he won on. >> alex, this is according to
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the democratic firm catalyst, and states with a competitive senate race likely pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio, arizona, new voter registration was much more tilted towards women after the dobbs decision. does that say something to you? >> yeah, that's a concern. >> alex. >> not alice. >> sorry. >> it's one that's real close. yeah, no, but don, of course it says something. but you know, this is part of what can make the difference between a wave election, which is when the incumbent party gets just totally clobbered almost irrespective of what the opposition party does or doesn't do. or just a normal range, rough midterm campaign. again, democrats have a lot to be worried about in november. biden's approval rating is still quite low, inflation is still quite high, this is not a sort of prime political environment for democrats to
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run on a two more years of the same. but what turns a set of circumstances like that into total political catastrophe, is when the presidents party sort of the mobilizes and decides this isn't even worth showing up for, i'm not really interested in paying attention to politics. and what is this midterm election anyway? i think we've seen since the dobbs decision, and those voter registration numbers speak to it, is a real level of engagement among folks from the center to center left and the left that wasn't necessarily there before. >> paul, charlie crist won the democratic party -- primary in florida last night. he's gonna take on florida governor ron desantis. this is what he said earlier on cnn. >> do you want president biden to come and campaign with you? >> absolutely, listen, look at what president biden has done for our country. he's been exceptional. look what he's done for the world. i mean, what's happening in
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ukraine, him bringing nato together, new members to nato, finland, sweden. it's remarkable. the eu. i mean, what other president could've done what he's done? he's been phenomenal. gas prices are down, inflation is trending down, democracy is trending up, i can't wait for him to get down here, i need his help, i want his help, and he is the best i've ever met. >> emphatic, supportive, confident. it seems like most democratic candidates are punting that question, but crist all in on biden. is that the right move? >> absolutely. because, it's like joe louis said to billy conn, the boxer, he can run but he can't hind. democrats should run with biden, and charlie is showing exactly the way to do that. voters will respect you if you stand for something. but they don't respect you if you fall for anything. i think charlie's got it exactly right, democrats have a record to run on, my god, they
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just passed the biggest climate bill in history, the biggest health care bill since obama, the biggest infrastructure bill since eisenhower, the first gun safety bill since clinton. they've got a record to run on. i'm glad, finally, to see a democrat running with some spine and being proud they've actually accomplished a lot. >> actually, a former republican, alice, former republican governor of florida. >> right. former republican now democrat. he's gonna need all the help he can get. the reality is, he's not running for president, he's running for governor of florida, and if you look at the current governor of florida, desantis, he's done a tremendous job. florida has a booming economy, more moving people moving to the state than anywhere else. tourism is on the rise. 2. 7% inflation in the state of florida, that's gonna be really hard record to run against. and you can't just call desantis names, you have to run on his record, and what you can do to improve that. not only that, desantis has raised $132 million in his war
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chest to run this race. that's gonna be a really steep hill for charlie crist to climb. >> alex, there is also the pennsylvania senate race. john fetterman, barely been seen on the trail since his stroke. a lot of people are wondering if he's been as candid as he should be about his health. he still has an 11 point lead over doctor oz in the latest fox news poll, is that a sign of fetterman's success? or his shortcomings? >> look, i think it's both. and i do think there is an important question mark, which is, what is the john fetterman campaign going to look like in the home stretch of this race? i think have a pretty good sense of what the doctor oz campaign is going to look like. by all accounts, and this is irrespective of senior republicans of in washington, it's not that formidable. but the fetterman camp has had an enormous success letting oz
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just out there twist in the wind by himself. not doing a whole lot to help his own candidacy. but with fetterman really hanging back, and the question is going to be the final two months, is that gonna be enough? >> can republicans win control of the senate without pennsylvania? >> they can, but it gets a whole lot harder. pennsylvania is the most glaring place republicans are on defense on this map. and if they don't manage to hold the seat that they already have their, that adds one more to the tally of incumbent democratic senators who they have to defeat. so it's not enough to just knock off one pretty formidable democratic incumbent like raphael warnock, you have to add to that second democratic incumbent like maggie hassan in new hampshire. the margins here are tight enough that republicans have a whole lot of ways to count two plus one in the senate. but when you start off down one, it gets twice as hard.
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>> we shall see, and we'll be here covering it. thank you alex, thank you alice, and paul. see you soon. president joe biden announcing historic new steps to address student loan debt. but not everybody is happy about it. >> here's what my administration is going to do. provide more breathing room for people so they have less burdened by student debt. and quite frankly, to fix the system itself. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the new gmc sierra. premium and capable. that's professional grade.
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a game changing announcement on
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student loan debt from president joe biden today laying out his plan to cancel $10,000 in student loan debt for borrowers making less than $125,000 per year. and extending the payment freeze one final time until the end of the year. >> now, i understand not everything i am announcing today is gonna make everybody happy. but i believe my plan is responsible and fair. it focuses the benefit on middle class and working families. it helps both current and future borrowers. and will fix a badly broken system. >> all right, so joining me now to discuss cnn political analyst to natasha alfred, and cnn economics commentator catherine rampell. good to have you both here in studio. thank you so much for joining me, good evening. natasha, i'm going to start with you. the presidents plan, and we'll put it up, also forgives $20,000 for program recipients and proposes a cap of 5% of monthly income for repayment. how big is this going to be for borrowers?
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>> i think this is really, really important. especially when you talk about black people who will benefit from this policy. there's been a lot of conversation about, does this actually impact the black community who showed up and showed out for biden at the polls? and the reality is that pell grants are something that are really present in the black community. and that is because we're working with so many structural issues that upset us at a disadvantage from the beginning. less wealth to work with. we go into the workforce, we deal with a smaller wages paid, that particularly for black women. so, it's a way of signaling support and intention around trying to ease the burden for black voters, even though it
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doesn't explicitly say that it's directed towards them. >> catherine, there's been a lot of pushback on this from a lot of folks. and even some democrats are pushing back. former treasury secretary, larry summers, has said that it's going to make inflation worse. he says this isn't a good use of federal money. why do you say that? >> the inflation stuff i think directionally it could make inflation a little bit worse, it's gonna have a minimal effect, to be fair. my concern is that it's not a particularly targeted way to help people who are struggling with student loan debt. and there are people who are struggling student loan debt. maybe they never graduated, for example. so they never got the payoff of their investment when they took out this debt, they never got the degree, they never got the higher income that's supposed to go with that. or they got a degree that's
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worthless. those are people that i think we definitely should be helping. but the way this plan is structured, you also get student debt forgiveness for households making up to $250,000. not only that, you get debt forgiveness for people who just graduated from an mba program and are about to start their advancement banking jobs. it doesn't account for the fact that what peoples income is today is not representative of whether future incomes are. a medical resident looks like they're not making a lot of money today, but their long term income is quite high. to really want to be spending all of this money or, god bless the work that doctors do, but are they the neediest population here? and so, i think it sort of represents a failure of imagination to think about how you could targets those who are affected, and there are the other things the biden administration is doing to target those people, but this is a very, very expensive way to deal with a problem that ends up giving a lot of money to people who don't really need it. >> you think it should be addressed, but there is a more creative way to do it?
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>> yeah, i think this is going to cost about a half trillion dollars. and some of that money will go to black voters who were defrauded or who make less money, you know, because of other reasons related to discrimination everything else. some of that money will go to wealthy white professionals who took out debt for a degree that pays off that will allow them to be able to repay their student debt payments. so, you know, i feel like this is sort of a problem, this is my issue with a lot of progressive policy approaches right now, that this approach of just like, spending a lot of money, and hoping some of it ends up in the right hands of the needy. but you end up making programs
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cost a lot more than they need to. and you end up giving away a lot of cash to people who don't need it. and it's not like there are unlimited resources in the world. >> when i hear you say, people who don't need it, right, this is where my imagination sort of asks that we expand. because there's a whole generation, particularly of young black professionals, who will be the first to go to grad school. they may have a title of doctor, or some sort of profession that's expected to pay more, but they're not coming from households where they even own a home. they're not coming from households where they even have wealth or savings as many of their white counterparts too. so, the title, the profession, the degree may seem to indicate that they somehow have an advantage or a privilege, but in the united states of america, the racial wealth gap has made sure that, although we're celebrating black women in particular for being the most educated group, they are still educated from a place of disadvantage. -- >> spend the money on the people who didn't get to go to med school, didn't go to law
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school, didn't get it to go to a bit messy school, spend the money on the gendered of the investment bank. -- >> it's more complicated than that. i interviewed a young woman who went to medical school, one of the first children in her family to go to college. she couldn't even get a job in the field that she studied in. that is a reality for a lot of black college graduates. they go in with these intentions, and the labor market does not honor their experience. >> if you're a doctor, right now, i don't think it could have trouble finding a job, whatever your race or ethnicity, whatever obstacles you may face in life. again, spend the money on the people who do not have expected high lifetime earnings. don't spend it on the people who are likely to have a large return on investment. >> how do you figure that out. you've gotta figure that out. listen, we're talking doctors.
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-- >> through food stamps, through investing in prenatal care, through pre-k, there are so many other better ways to spend money. >> on an average, doctors, as you know, don't earn with doctors used to earn in the old days. >> doctors are the single occupation that is most likely to be represented in the top 1%. >> still, it's not the same. not all doctors, -- >> not all doctors, but again, the way this program is designed is that people who are households up to earning up to $250,000 today benefit. and we're not even taking into account whatever their future earnings are. i just, if we had unlimited resources, yes, make everything free, but we don't. we just don't. that should be a lesson of the last couple years. >> devils advocate, i thought this is really sharp because when i saw this on the end of internet that this is going to be with joe biden and he puts the sunglasses on, it was not enough, that old meme when the reporter asked him, do you think this is fair to the people who made the commitment. do you think it's fair for tax cuts. and i don't hear that from republicans as much pushback for these huge tax cuts for corporations. and as you say, the high income earners in our society. is that a fair criticism from the president of the united states? >> i don't know.
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i've been fairly consistent that i thought the republican tax plan was a huge giveaway to the wealthy. just because one plan was not a good use of money or critically targeted use of money, does not excuse another plan not being particularly well designed. >> when you say that. i see a generation that asks, does the government actually work? we're having this whole moment right now where we're trying to reconcile, does democracy work for us? does my vote work? and for the younger generation, they may not understand all of the politics of foreign policy, but they say, we're spending all this money on ukraine. or we have the ability to get of tax cuts, but what about me? you're telling the american dream is to pursue my education, to work hard, and as mitch mcconnell said, to get an extra job, to all of these things, save money, and yet it's still not enough. what do i do with that? >> what does this do for him? the president politically? because there are some that are saying that this is not enough. what does it do for him? >> i think it's a mixed bag, i think there are people today who lives were changed. i know people whose debt was wiped out because of what's happened today. and they will have the opportunity to move forward in
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a way that they couldn't. but there are others who say, this is a whole package. it's not just about student loans, this is about what happens with the george floyd policing act and other promises that you made to our communities. i think people are going to come out in different ways. >> i do hear across the board, especially young people, man, forgive that student debt, like they're on board with this. >> yeah, the people who benefit from it, for them, of course it is quite popular. i think what the net effect is in terms of popularity is a little bit unclear. >> i was on the phone with today with somebody who said, in their 40s or 50s, who realized i am never going to pay off my student loan. >> yeah, so for those people, yeah, they're real happy. they should be. the question is, will most americans didn't go to college, again, i think the inflationary impact is gonna be pretty minor. but directionally, it probably will be inflationary, and if you see a lot of ads from a publicans saying, biden just increased inflation, maybe that breaks through. in some of these very tight senate senate races, where again, most of the population did not go to college, doesn't have to get loan debt. and may in fact be resentful of the fact that people with high lifetime earnings are effectively being subsidized by the working class. which is sort of how it works. >> i'm not talking about like cardiologists, i'm talking about family practitioners and people. >> that part is true, yes. >> there are polls that people
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have shown that people who don't have debt, and who supported, it's a popular policy. >> i think it's popular now. the question is, what happens when it gets attacked? >> i love this conversation, good to have you both. thank you. >> california making a bold move moving to ban -- the sale of new gas powered cars by 2035. plus, they are brothers, they aren't even related. there is more genetic similarities between them then you might expect. this is a fascinating story, and you might have your own doppelganger too. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep number 360 smart bed. why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? because proven quality sleep is vital to our health and wellness, only the sleep number 360 smart bed keeps you cool, then senses and effortlessly adjusts for your best sleep. and tells you exactly how well you slept. your sleepiq score.
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officials in california sent to ban the sale of new gasoline cars by 2035 and set interim targets to phase the cars out, both tomorrow by the states air regulators as a culmination governor newsom signed an executive order in 2020, mandating that all vehicles
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sold in the state by the year 2035 and this role will have an income all the talk about the politics of it all with cnn political analyst mr. ron brownstein, live from los angeles. he lives there in the know. hey robin, thanks for joining. this is a huge deal, man. and it's gonna have some major impact patients be on california. can you give us some perspective here? >> yeah, first this is following a long tradition. california has set the pace on clean air, and in particular, clean vehicle standards for over 50 years. the first tailpipe emissions in the 60s, the catalytic converter in the 70s, the first carbon emission standards in the early 2000s, california has been consistently ahead of the other states and the federal government, in fact, the clean air act back to 1970 acknowledged california's role by providing it uniquely among the states the authority to set
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its own rules, and a few years later, they allowed other states to follow those rules. so there's about a dozen 13 blue states that generally follow what california does in the clean air and clean vehicle arena. so what's happening here, is potentially an enormous game-changer, pointing in the same direction as biden who's probably gonna come up with epa regulations that push to auto companies in this direction. auto companies, gm and ford say they're already moving with significant investments in this direction. california and the states that usually follow this regulation account for one third of u.s. auto market auto, sales. so, it is entirely possible that it other states follow, this is really going to accelerate the transition, which will translate, by the way, into a lot of manufacturing jobs in many of the midwestern states that have suffered the most from the the industrialization of the last generation. >> ron, california is making these uber progressives moves
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like starting the timer on banning gas fueled cars. but then you have states like texas pushing further to the right on key issues like abortion. it's more like two different countries and then two different states? >> yeah, look, i think what we're seeing here is the most dramatic broad divergence between the states, really since before the civil war. obviously, the jim crow area from -- to the civil rights act in 1964 was an enormous divergence between the states that had segregation those that didn't. but that was only about a dozen states. this is essentially half the states, the red states, are moving in a very systematic way to undo, as we talked about before, the rights revolution of the past six decades, which is generally seen more rights being nationalized and the ability of states to constrain those rights, whether it's abortion or interracial marriage, or contraception, reduced. now you have states like texas and florida and a whole bunch of others rolling back abortion rights, lgbtq rights, voting
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rights, banning books, censoring classrooms. blue states are going in the opposite direction, and it's not just on the right front, we're talking about how blue states are moving to more aggressively confront the challenge of climate change. almost all the red states join in the lawsuit to stop the epa regulations on power cleansing. but texas and other states are passing laws to punish companies that try to disinvest in fossil fuels. health care but, you know, the remaining states that have not expanded medicaid under the aca are red states. and even on the basic structure of the economy, where you have the blue states are the ones at the forefront of the transition into the information age economy, to the point that the per capita gdp at this point, is 25% higher in the blue states that in the red states. all of these fronts, we are seeing two very different systems emerge, in many ways, through the openings created by the republican majority on the supreme court.
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and that level of divergence in the country, i think, is a recipe for more social conflict going forward. go i think you've ever seen anything like this since the 1840s. >> thank you, ron brownstein, we'll see you soon. appreciate it. >> broken furniture, discarded tires, littering -- sparking a health hazard. now some passionate residents are fighting to end. it's...the side hug. tween milestones like this may start at age 9. hpv vaccination - a type of cancer prevention against certain hpv-related cancers, can start then too. for most, hpv clears on its own. but for others, it can cause certain cancers later in life. you're welcome! now, as the "dad cab", it's my cue to help protect them. embrace this phase. help protect them in the next. ask their doctor about hpv vaccination today.
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of unlimited possibilities. it is a blight across many neighborhoods in america, the illegal dumping of trash getting so severe that it's sparking a health hazard in
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some areas and activists say it's predominantly impacting communities of color. now residents in one houston community are demanding change. cnn sarah sidner has this story. >> my grandparents plotted some of the original property. >> they actually lived in trinity gardens since the mid 1930s. >> these two men both lived and loved trinity gardens, about eight miles north of downtown houston. >> it's a beautiful community. except we've got these other issues. >> this was designed to be for black families that were going to be farming. >> both these homeowners have become community activists, passionate neighborhood watchdogs over an issue they say plaguing this predominately black and brown community for decades. >> we'vegot illegal dumping nowhere else in the city. >> what are you seeing? >> we see boats, we get a lot of construction debris, we've got sofas, tables, i've seen half a car.
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>> this is just a tiny sample of the filth that these residents in this neighborhood have been dealing with, they say four years. you have tires, you have paint, you have construction items, you have wigs and weaves. it is a toxic soup. it's not just a problem for their property values, it's actually a danger to the residents health. >> it's most definitely a health issue. but we still have little kids that go to playgrounds, they go to grandma's house. >> so, they started documenting in detail. >> we would drive around to identify illegal dumping. and then put out a spreadsheet. >> and calling the city's health service line. >> who do you call when you notice there are mattresses and all kinds of debris dumped? >> we call 311. >> do they show up right away. >> no, nobody's coming quickly. >> after decades of illegal dump sites that festered in the neighborhood, the department of
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justice announced they're conducting an investigation because the perpetual problem. >> what happened with the department of justice stepped in? >> i thought the president was coming to visit. because the neighborhood was so clean. >> but the announcement infuriated at least one black resident who lives in the neighborhood. >> i grew up in that hood. i asked the neighbor, i still live in that hood. so, i understand the frustration. but for the doj, or anyone else to say, that the city is discriminating against black and brown communities. that's absurd. >> is it absurd? because you yourself said, look, this happens across america? for black and brown communities, especially lower socioeconomic communities? >> no. if you want to say illegal dumping is occurring, we're on the same page.
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and if you want to say it's occurring more so in communities of color, where all of the same page. but don't dare say, don't dare say, that this administration is discriminating against communities of color. now, you're totally baseless without merit. >> so, it sounds like you felt blindsided. >> that's a true statement, in trinity guards. when you look at the numbers, the city picks up illegal dumping in that area two weeks quicker than on average. >> the doj is also looking into whether systematic discrimination is the reason 85% of houston's incinerators and landfills are located in a black and brown section of town. >> the mayor says the city has put a holistic approach into action to improving those neighborhoods. including dealing with illegal dumping. >> in the last 12 months, the numbers of the reports are less than they've have been over the last five years. those are things the doj didn't
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know. >> but the doj's investigation is based on a complaint from a community legal aid group, detailing evidence they say shows environmental racism is still occurring here. this pushes part of the biden administration's inflation reduction act, that recently passed and has earmarked 60 billion dollars addressing environmental justice. >> are you happy that the doj has stepped in? >> truly. excited. it's just a piece of the iceberg. it's all environmental injustice. >> so for us, somebody has finally seen us. and we've got all of these other health concerns, trash is the thing that brought everybody to the table. talking trash, literally. >> talking trash, literally. >> the mayor agrees that this is just the tip of the iceberg, and there needs to be a wholesale change in some of these communities, economic opportunities, as well as dealing with things like the
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fact that there is a food desert, and he says he's working on that. but when it comes to illegal dumping itself, he says look, we've doubled the fines for illegal dumping, we have made it so that once a month there is a large trash pickup, which means things like mattresses and couches will be picked up at no cost to the residents. he says, some of those things he believes, are making a difference. the residents say they need to see more change in a need to see it faster. don? >> sara sidner, thanks so much. so, what if i told you you may have a doppelganger out there and you may share similar dna. don't believe me? ask charlie chase and michael malone, they aren't related, but they've got a lot in common. we're gonna unpack that. fascinating new study. next, twins? no? what. three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his first set of wheels...
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thank you guys for joining us. charlie, i will start with you. you are not twins, you are not related, what it is like to have a doppelganger? >> you know, it is really interesting, because we have known each other a long time, we go way back. it has been a source of a lot of fun for us, because over the years we have been mistaken for each other all over the place, all over atlanta. there has been some interesting situation that have come out just because people thought we were the other person. so for us, it has just been a lot of fun, and another way we are good friends, another way to even be better friends. we have the sting between us that now everyone else has. we already have a doppelganger probably, but we actually know hours, we know each other well. >> i have went to, people call me anderson cooper all the time. >> i see the resemblance.
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>> michael, how did you guys actually meet? when did it click that you guys looked alike? >> we met because charlie joined a band and he was playing guitar for a band and i started -- with this band and we started because social circles were converging on each other. we just became friends, we didn't see it in each other, and we just liked each other as friends. and, it just a friendship grew until people started pointing out to us, you guys look like
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brothers, you look like brothers. in fact, i'm in a set of friends here in atlanta years ago, and because they asked me, do you play guitar with -- i said no, but my friend charlie does. so, because we were brought together by music or social circles -- >> so, here's a question to the doctor, i'm so glad you are here. tell us more about this. you decided to study people who looked alike right, and aren't related. you recruited 30 people who participated in the photo project by a canadian artist. they took a dna test, they use facial recognition software, what did you discover along with that? >> we look at these people, they share the same basics, the first time i see them in people or reality, and these people just by -- analyzed their dna and in this dna, we were able to see that these lookalike humans in fact, they are sharing several genetic variants and this is
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very common among them. so they share these genetic variants that are related in a way that they have the shape of the nose, the eyes, the mouth, the lips, and even the -- this was a main conclusion, the genetics put them together. other factors are different, and they are not completely identical. >> so is it because -- do they have similar dna, right? but does that mean they are related? >> no, they are not. in each case, going back almost 100 years ago, there is no common ancestry. they are not related at all. >> so similar codes, right? >> similar codes, just by random chance. in the world right now, there are so many people that eventually, the system is producing humans with a similar dna sequences. that is the reason. and now with the internet, we can find these lookalikes in
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the world in ways -- >> this is what i'm saying as i look at this, i always have said for years now, there are only so many faces. right? >> i see people all the time, i go hey, they look like someone else. this is what you told the new york times, you told him essentially there's so many people in the world, the system is repeating itself. so i have a doppelganger. >> absolutely. i think all of us has somebody that looks like us, a double in this case. and it is due to the fact that there are so many people in the world, that it is very likely you have these people. some people are fully 100% -- these are the real, twins and the brother twins, there are other people 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%. so these lookalikes no article, they are close to 80%. so they are almost like natural born twins. >> it is amazing, i look at the pictures, they are all behind the doctor in the wall behind us. i can't help but look at them, these people look so much alike, but they are not related. >> charlie, your ancestors hail from lithuania and scotland, while michaels hail from the dominican republic and the bahamas, not even in the same part of the world. >> not at all.
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we had a theory -- it sounds like the doctor just said, even just 100 years back we don't have any sort of connection. we had a theory for a while there might be some scottish or irish connecting us a couple hundred years ago, but it sounds like that is not even true. so, you know, we don't have common ancestry at all. >> michael, you guys have been friends for 25 years now, do you have a bond? >> correct. yeah. >> do you guys have that whole twin sort of language? >> and we like a lot of the same things. we are just real comfortable. we are great, great friends. we have been through a lot together. great stuff, a lot of tough stuff. that is what makes friends, and you know, this is just like charlie said, one thing to just bring us closer together. it made me realize that we are all connected, we are all connected because humankind probably started -- mid >> charlie, congratulations, obviously you got married last
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week. michael is the first person you called. >> that is true. and i have to tell you, don, we haven't made a big deal about it, and so the new york times article pretty much put that out in the air. so, we are saying it live on tv. >> it is amazing. doctor, this is fascinating stuff. these people, i'm sure they look at each other, say i don't like anything like them. >> -- when you mention about this connection that twins have, these people have something similar. because -- maybe they share other genes that relate to taste or things they like, it is possible. >> yeah, thank you all, i appreciate it. be well. >> pleasure. >> thank you very much. >> and listen, i want to thank the doctor for the pictures, the great pictures of lookalikes who we mentioned. he is a photographer, i am sorry, the photographer. so thanks for watching everyone. thank you all. >> thank you. >> thanks for watching, our coverage continues.
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