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hello, everyone, i'm alisyn camerota, welcome to "cnn newsroom." >> i'm victor blackwell, food to be with you. >> we begin with the blockbuster court filing from the justice department on the hundreds of classified documents found at donald trump's florida home. this includes this photo, okay, that shows just some of the nation's top secrets that donald trump took with him and kept in unsecured cardboard boxes. the filing also lays out just how long the justice department has been fighting to get all of the classified documents back from trump. >> after a request and then a
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subpoena and finally a search, investigators have retrieved 48 boxes including at least 320 classified documents, including 72 marked confidential, 108 secret, and 42 top secret. now, the filing as one former top fbi official puts it obliterates claims that the fo former president and his lawyers had been cooperating and negotiating in good faith to return the records. >> okay. so let's lay out the time line for you. the national archives had been working for months to get all of these missing records from trump even while he was in office. in january of this year, they finally got 15 boxes of records that trump had taken with him to mar-a-lago, though they did not belong to him. once the national archives saw the reckless way trump had handled so much sensitive information, they contacted the doj for help getting other classified documents back that
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were still missing. according to this filing, one of the most significant concerns was that highly classified records were unfoldered intermixed with other records and otherwise improperly identified. there was also evidence that certain pages of presidential records had been torn up. when the fbi looked through those documents they found hundreds of pages of classified information, including 184 classified documents. 67 of them were marked confidential. 92 were marked secret, and 25 were marked as top secret. >> now, over the next several months, the doj obtained evidence that there were even more classified records at mar-a-lago, and they obtained a subpoena. this was on may 11th, and they requested any and all documents or writings with any level of classification markings. team trump said that they would cooperate and ask the fbi to pick up the documents on june 3rd in a meeting at mar-a-lago.
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well, their lawyers handed agents a single red envelope double wrapped in tape. plus, this letter signed by trump's lawyer, and it stated in part that a diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the white house to florida, and this search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena. now, in that envelope there were also 38 additional classified documents. more than a third of them marked top secret, and during that meeting, according to doj, trump's counsel told agents that all the records that had come from the white house were in one storage room at mar-a-lago. >> the fbi agents and the doj attorney were permitted to visit the storage room. however, the former president's counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of
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those boxes that remained in the storage room giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained. after the june meeting, the doj developed evidence that there was even more classified information at mar-a-lago. they allege it was deliberately kept from the federal investigators. here's an important point right here. in particular, the government developed evidence that a search limited to the storage room would in the have uncovered all of the classified documents at the premise. furthermore it goes on to say the government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation. that's what prompted the application for the search warrant and then the search that was conducted on august 8th. >> now, when agents returned to the area, they say that they
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s seized more than 100 additional new classified documents, and that's more than twice the amount trump's team turned over to the response of the subpoena in june, and three classified documents that were not located in boxes but rather were located in the desks in the 45 office. they were seized as well according to doj filings. now, the classification levels ranged from confidential to top secret. some were so sensitive that according to the doj in some instances even the fbi counterintelligence personnel and the doj attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents, and the justice department, they say that the search casts serious doubt on the claim in the certification and now in the motion that there had been a diligent search for records responsive to the grand jury subpoena, in the storage room alone, the fbi agents found 76 documents bearing
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classification markings. let's turn now to cnn's senior justice correspondent evan perez. michael moore is a former federal prosecutor and now a partner at the moore hall law firm. and joshua school is -- he served as the fbi executive assistant director for intention. he's now a president of bow wave llc. first, trump's lawyers have about five more hours to respond to the justice department's latest assertions, that deadline actually close to six, 8:00 p.m. they have a lot of work to do. >> they really do, and look, you guys laid it out so well. this is exactly what prosecutors, if they get to this point, this is exactly the time line that they're going to present to show that there was months and months and frankly, more than a year of effort to recover some of these documents and that at every point the former president and his team were not cooperative, despite the efforts that they've made to claim and to show and to at
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least in some of their court filings to present that they've been very, very cooperative. and i'll read you just a part of the filing because it's so key that after that june meateting where they're given those 38 records, those 38 classified documents, and they're not permitted to go through additional boxes, the fbi says this, the prosecutors say this. that the fbi in a matter of hours recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the, quote, unquote, diligent search that the former president's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform, calls into serious questions the representations made and cast out on the extent of cooperation. and that's the reason why we get to the point on august 8th, victor and als alisyn where the shows one a search warrant and conducts the extraordinary search and seizure of the former president's home because they say at every single point they
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are imimmepeded and you guys re one part of this that really stuck out to me last night as we were looking at these documents. they described how they've received evidence that says that -- that indicates that boxes that were formerly held in the storage room were not returned prior to the counsel's review. in other words, the fbi has evidence that they say will show people took boxes out of these storage rooms and they did not return them before this quote, unquote diligent search was done. >> josh, of all of these stunning revelations that victor and evan and i just laid out, possibly the most disturbing is that they found three classified documents in donald trump's desk drawer. in other words, three specific documents were taken out of these messy boxes and kept at his fingertips in his desk drawer, so not in the storage
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room. and as we know, donald trump doesn't use email. he makes phone calls. why would he need those three specific classified documents in the desk drawer from where he makes phone calls? i maean, what was he going to d with this information? >> i think that's an excellent question, and i do think it's astonishing. but i think it's astonishing that folks are referencing a storage room, which is not a sensitive compartment facility. it has a vault door that has controlled access. i think another astonishing point to be honest with you is the fact that doj attorneys and fbi agents had to get additional clearances just to review. i think that really goes to the sensitivity of this information, and then the fact that the fbi has evidence, which is likely coming from human sources talking about where documents are and what is going on with them and the lack of control, it all adds up to being a very
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concerning situation, not to mention the potential misrepresentation by donald trump's attorneys. >> michael, the two questions here, or the two major concerns i should say is that these documents according to the doj and national archives is that they don't belong to donald trump. they're not his to keep. second, the classifications, the sensitive information not just in the storage room but as alisyn mentioned there in the desks in the 45 office, i read that you think that there's a way that the trump team can employ the secret service as part of their defense. explain that. >> well, i'm glad to be with you all this afternoon, let me say i'm not a trump defender on the trump team, but as i read through the document, it strikes me that there's this picture that's painted as if these documents are floating around mar-a-lago somewhere unsecured. i simply would -- if i were on his defense team -- suggest that we interview the secret service agents who routinely patrol the area for security checks, they
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patrol the residence area, and i asked them as officers, federal law enforcement officers if they have observed classified materials laying out in the open exposed to view. and i think that's ultimately the question. another is we don't know today as we sit here what he may have decl declassified. there could be arguments about is there a standard process to do it. can he wave his magic wand over it. we just don't know, ask we don't know what the documents are. so i was particularly interested in how the subpoena says bring us things with classified markings, not classified documents. just what has been -- because i would suggest that at that point prosecutors didn't know if he had, in fact, declassified some of the information. i look back at a story in january of 2019 in "news week" it talked about how trump was fixing to basically be carted off to jail because of the russia investigation, so we've been here before. i think what we have to do is slow down, take a breath, let's
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figure out what the documents were. let's figure out if, in fact, there was a mechanism in place or if he had the authority to simply declassify information, and then find out what information was out there. if they were in a storage room where he had in fact put another lock on it to request people at the national archives or the oig and they had to break that lock to come in, that's a pretty strong argument he could make, look, i think he's behind the 8 ball on this, but it's not an open and shut question. >> yeah, evan, it's interesting to hear michael say all of that because we've had on so many experts, government experts, attorneys who have said, who have debunked that basically, that you can't just unilaterally declassify something and wave your magic wand and expect the rest of government to know something is declassified. when producing the 15 boxes, the former president never asserted executive privilege over any of the documents nor claimed that
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any of the documents in the boxes containing classification markings had been declassified. >> right, so alisyn, you know, what michael just said is 100% right, but it's not in conflict with some of the points that some of your other experts have said, which is that if you notice, every communication that is done between the prosecutors, between the fbi and the trump team refers to documents with classification markings. that's a big difference from saying classified documents, so there is -- what prosecutors are doing with this, obviously they're using a law that doesn't turn on classification, that's first of all, 793, which is the espionage act, and they're referring to it as national defense information, right? so again, it almost means it's not -- it doesn't necessarily turn on whether trump waved his magic wand or not. they still are investigating as a possible crime because what they are asking for in all of these letters and the subpoenas, they're being told turn over
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documents with classification markings, and you know, that picture speaks a thousand words, right? it says and you can look at it, and you can see those documents are clearly still have the classification markings. so because you did not respond to that subpoena by turning all over those -- turning over all those documents, you're essentially violating that subpoena, right? the demand from the grand jury. so at a minimum, there's a problem there for the trump team. michael's right. this is not an open and shut case. there's a long way for the justice department to go, but there's a reason why the lawyers approached this the way they did, and it's exactly to account for the things that michael talked about, which is trump's claim that he magically declassified stuff. >> joshua, to you. the assertion from the doj that there was this attempt to conceal and move documents and obstruct, at what point in this
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investigation is it justified, then, to look at other potential places that documents could be, not a search, not a subpoena, but there are several properties at which the president frequents. there's bedminster. there's trump tower. what should be the treatment of those, if any, in the scope of this investigation? >> well, victor, you have to have information that there is evidence of crime going on at those locations. when you look at the warrant, when you look at the subpoena, when you look at the totality of the information, clearly the fbi and the department of justice had evidence that there was potential illegal activity going on at mar-a-lago. you would say as concerning as evan brought up the espionage act, obviously very serious, but what gives me pause really is the obstruction and destruction of evidence, and that means that somebody likely if that was being directed to do something that they didn't want to do, potentially came forward to talk about what was going on, and
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more than one person at mar-a-lago. and so while i understand michael's point, the secret service is not responsible for securing classified information, that location is not a sensitive compartment in information. there are specific procedures that go on in the intelligence community for declassifying information, and they could have easily produced that documentation had it happened, and they may still be able to do that. they just have not done that today. >> okay, evan perez, michael moore and joshua school, thank you very much for helping us understand everything that has been in this doj feeling. president biden has approved new disaster relief efforts for jackson, mississippi, where a water crisis has people growing desperate for safe drinking water. we'll take you there. and new data shows that life ex expectancy is at its lowest point this decades. why? we'll dissect the troubling trend. but are these lines enough? a subaru with eyesight...
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president biden has approved a federal emergency declaration for jackson, mississippi. more than 150,000 people there are facing another day without reliable water. now the mayor says he is optimistic that water will be restored within the week. >> children still cannot go to school. the schools are all fully virtual this week, and a hospital is without air-conditioning and there is not enough water to flush toilets. cnn's amara walker joins us live from a water distribution center in jackson. is there enough water there to go around today, amara? >> reporter: yeah, there has been plenty of water. you can see the crates of the water cases, and they did run out after the first truck arrived this morning at 9:00, but they were able to bring a
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second. they also have a third, fourth, and a fifth, so it looks like they do have enough stock or inventory for the people who need drinking water. i know you were mentioning the mayor of jackson saying that he is feeling much more confident today. i think that's the headline for the people here that the residents of jackson will have clean running water. hopefully within this week, but at the same time, he is issuing a healthy dose of caution saying that, you know, it's really challenging at this water treatment facility because it has faced decades of neglect when it comes to maintenance. but you know, back here at this walgreen's parking lot, the salvation army has been distributing these two cases of water. some cases, i guess three cases of water per car, and i have to tell you, talking to the people here, they are just extremely grateful for the gesture because they are just going day-to-day at this point. listen. >> it's been pretty hard, you know, having to thaw your food, wash your food with bottled
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water. this is bad. just think about the seniors, the elder seniors that can't get out and do this for themselves. >> who's to blame for this water crisis that didn't happen overnight? >> it's blame from the mayor, from all the way back. didn't nobody pay attention to this until it happened. >> reporter: and i think that's the most frustrating point for so many people here that we talk to is that this was something that didn't happen overnight. it has been decades that jackson has been experiencing water issues, victor and alisyn. >> and amara, the mayor says that the state needs to help out. the governor says that this is in large part the city's responsibility. are the governor and the mayor communicating? there seems to be a disconnect. >> reporter: it appears at least on the surface that there is some coordination between the state and the city level. look, i mean, you have the mayor
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who is a democrat and governor tate reeves who is a republican. the two politicians have often been at odds, but mayor la mum by a has been quick to point out and thank the state for some of the coordination efforts, but of course he's also been quick to say many times that the city has been left alone in this when they have a cry for help when it comes to the city's infrastructure problems. >> amara walker for us there at the water distribution facility there in jackson, thank you. now to ukraine, ukrainian armed forces are touting their successes against russia. this is in the southern part of the country. we have details on the role that the u.s. is playing in this counteroffensive next. and president biden, again, targets what he calls maga republicans. will his sharpened attacks serve democrats well come november. we'll discuss.
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new cnn reporting finds that western military and defense officials have been quietly and constantly consulting with ukraine to help shape their counteroffensive in the south. >> ukraine, of course, wants to recapture territory taken from russia. the u.s. has been engaging in war gaming with ukrainians helping to figure out force levels for different battle scenarios. cnn's katie bo lillis is here with us now.
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the war gaming comes with a message to the ukrainian military. what is it? >> yeah, so victor, one of the are central messages from the western and the u.s. side to the ukrainians has been keep your objectives for this operation limited. don't over extend yourself along an extended front line, for example, don't get bogged down. in other words, don't bite off more than you can chew, but victor and alisyn, this comes at a really interesting moment in this conflict. multiple u.s. and western officials who spoke to my colleague natasha bertrand and i emphasized that the russian and ukrainian militaries are more evenly matched militarily than they have been perhaps at any other point in this conflict, and there's a number of reasons for this. you know, part of it, of course, is that the numbers are a little bit more evenly matched in terms of manpower in kherson in the south. part of it is of course this influx of sophisticated western arms and military equipment that the west has provided to the ukrainians. part of it is the morale issue, the ukrainians unquestionably have a higher morale in their
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fighting force than the russians do. but part of it, according to sources familiar with the latest intelligence who spoke to us, say it's simply sheer competence on the ukrainian side. the ukrainians are making up for shortfalls in artillery with mere capability. now, the officials who we spoke to are not placing any bets that ukraine is going to be successful in this offensive in retaking kherson or any of the other territories that it has lost to russia over the last six months of this war. but they did emphasize to us that ukraine not exactly the underdog that it was when this war started in february of this year. victor, alisyn. >> that's really interesting, katie bo lillis, thank you for sharing your reporting. we have cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton. so colonel, what's the goal of this counterterrorism offensive? is it to get rid of russia from the southern part of the country, or is it just to pick off little villages and just kind of, you know, step by step
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keep this slog going? >> alisyn, it's actually both, but you have to do it in sequence, and so as katie bo was mentioning in her reporting, what you're looking at is a more tactical approach. what they're tying to do is, you know, at the strategic level it would be to get rid of the russian forces and rid them of southern ukraine, but that's something that they really can't do. but what they can do is they can take off individual pieces and take out the forces say around kherson which appears to be the first objective that the ukrainians have. what the ukrainians will need to do is establish a pattern of victory, and if they can continue that pattern of victory, alisyn, then that will help them, you know, with any type of future military movements, plus any eventual peace negotiations that might be coming up as well. >> we've learned that this iaea team that is going to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, they've arrived in the
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city before going to the plant itself and that moscow is now welcoming a permanent presence at the plant. now, of course this is good news because they can be there to avoid catastrophe, but does this give us any insight into russia's long-term goals if they are willing to allow this team to stay? >> victor, i think it's really interesting that they're doing this. i think it's in many ways it is in their interests, at least from a technical standpoint to actually have a team there. it also means that the russians won't have to potentially concern themselves with manning and maintaining force at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. so of course their calculus is going to be very different from the ukrainian calculus when it comes to figuring out what to do next. certainly would be different than what the u.s. would do in a situation like this. but it is a bit of a glimmer of hope, i would say that the russians are allowing the iaea
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to do this and perhaps to maintain a more permanent presence. the nature of that presence, of course, will be something that we'll have to figure out and we'll be -- you know, the devil will be in the details in that sense. >> colonel, while we have you, we want to get your thoughts on mikhail gorbachev who died at the age of 91. what is his legacy given what we're seeing now with putin? i mean, has putin worked to obliterate whatever that was? >> in many ways he has, alisyn. so this is really interesting. i was stationed in berlin when the berlin wall came down, and of course gorbachev was the general secretary of the communist party of the soviet union at the time. he was the soviet leader, and it was his choice, his decision not to clamp down on the freedom protests in eastern europe that were happening at that time that really made for the kind of europe that we see today, so you know, as far as the west is concerned, we were very happy with what gorbachev did. putin, on the other hand, looks at gorbachev as inaugurating the
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u.s. life expectancy is falling for the third year in a row. >> the average is now just over 76 years. that is the lowest we've seen since 1996. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is here with us in new york. are we expecting this to bounce back after the covid era? >> i think it should bounce back somewhat, but even before covid, the united states was really one of the only developed countries in the world where life expectancy was falling even before covid. opioid overdoses, suicides, and liver cirrhosis were driving that before covid, and then we saw, you know, the first year of covid life expectancy dropped a year, now two and a half years into covid, and we can see that the primary sort of driver of this over the last three years,
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50% of the drivers of these early deaths is covid, but you have these other things as well. you can take a look at the list there, but unintentional injuries, guys. that's the drug overdoses that we're talking about, suicide, you can see that in red. those were big issues and pretty, you know, pretty specific to the united states. it's hard to believe, but life expectancy was already going down in this country as you mentioned. so we'll see how much of a bounce there is. i can show you one other thing that i thought was interesting. we looked at this, the united states dropped, you'll see this graph again now, that's the red line at the bottom. in the blue right above that, that's other similar countries. you see they went down as well the first year, but they've already bounced back up. united states is really the only country to still sort of have that downward trajectory. >> that's really shocking. let's talk about something to fight covid, and that is that the fda today authorizes this updated booster to specifically fight the omicron variant. so when should we all get that? >> we're going to hear specifically from the cdc on this, but what it sounds like is
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the fda is saying that anybody who is now over the age of 12, remember, it was people over the age of 50. anyone over the age of 12 who has not received a shot in at least the last two months is likely to be eligible for this. this is what's known as a buy va lent vaccine. it's protect tenant against the original strain, which is what everyone has gotten in the past, and now specifically ba.4 and ba.5. they sort of anticipated that those two variants would be the predominant variants and they are. it's about 90% of the variants right now in the country, the infections are caused by these variants. so that will offer more protection against those circulating variants as well. >> so even as we're seeing these new boosters come online, there are some companies that are lifting the mandates. goldman sachs is lifting the testing and the vaccine mandate, not new york city. is this the right time to do that? >> you know, victor, that's almost a philosophical question. you get the sense from hearing
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the cdc guidelines and they're in accordance with the cdc guidelines. these are not sort of going against those guidelines, but it's almost the question of is this the steady state we're willing to accept at this point. you can see that the community transmission is medium, that's where we are right now. so there would not be indoor masking that would be recommended, things like that. but if you look at the overall transmission, like how much virus is out there. if i'm in an indoor location, how likely am i to come into contact with this virus. that's the areas in red, and that's pretty much everywhere. so with these variants if you have protection, you know, you should not be at risk of getting severely ill, but you can still get pretty sick. people are knocked out of work for several days, things like that. it's surprising that it's just sort of gone from all these things to nothing. i mean, leaving aside mandates the idea that testing should be available. do i have it or not, i may not even be sick but i could spread
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to you. should that be something you should be entitled to know. i think this is almost more of a philosophical question. we know there's a lot of virus out there. some 400 people are still dying every day. hospitals are not overwhelmed but is this the steady state the united states is willing to accept. 60,000 people die of flu every year, less than half the country got a flu shot before covid. maybe this is it. i don't know, but it does seem like a lot of, you know, sickness and death out there still happening. >> and very quickly, if you have had covid, how long protection do you have? >> well, the cdc will say when you no longer have any symptoms -- in terms of getting another shot or are you saying protection? >> protection. >> probably two to three months, you know, it's a little bit hard to say. we know that the antibodies do wane from both the vaccine and infection acquired immunity. in terms of getting a shot, like let's say you have covid, should i get the booster. what they'll say is as long as you don't have any symptoms, you're okay to get it, but you probably do have protection for two to three months so it's probably reasonable to wait. >> some people think oh, i have
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it for a year. two to three months. >> that's what it looks like right now. always great to see you. >> you too. thanks for having me. pennsylvania politics, let's get into it. it's getting uglier by the day. senate candidate john fetterman says he will not debate his opponent, dr. mehmet oz, his reasoning and how oz's campaign is responding. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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♪ you like my strut ♪ ♪ do you wanna go struttin' struttin' ♪ ♪ you like my strut ♪ ♪ then let's go struttin' right now ♪ ♪♪ . the white house is getting ready for president biden's big prime time speech tomorrow night in philadelphia. the white house says that it will be focused on the battle for the soul of the nation. >> president biden is sharpening his attacks on one wing of the republican party. >> you can't do it. >> okay. now i'll tell you what i was going to say. >> my maga republican friends in congress, don't tell me you
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support law enforcement if you won't condemn what happened on the 6th. you can't be pro law enforcement and pro insurrection. you can't be a party of law and order and call the people who attacked the police on january 6th patriots. >> no one expects politics to be a patty cake. it sometimes is as mean as hell, the idea you turn on television and see senior congressmen saying if such and such happens, there will be blood in the street. where the hell are we? >> kaitlan collins is live at the white house for us. so kaitlan, is this president biden's new tone from now through the midterms? >> reporter: it certainly seems to be a preview of what he is going to be arguing to voters before they do got to the polls on election day in november. obviously making an argument for democrats there as he was in pennsylvania yesterday. very forceful comments from president biden, and those ones about not being in support of defunding the fbi, which you
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have seen from some members of the republican party since the search of mar-a-lago happened by fbi agents, we're certainly incredibly forceful and probably his most forceful condemnation to date since that search actually happened, and you have seen the uptick in threats against the fbi. tomorrow night we're told could build on what he said yesterday in the sense of he is really sharpening his attacks on republicans ahead of the midterm elections. knowing that they've got ten weeks to go. we're told that yesterday was focused on law enforcement, on crime, and the president trying to make the argument that democrats are actually the party of law and order, which is this mantel that republicans say they hold, and tomorrow, we are expecting it to be very politically focused and return to that theme that you so often saw from president biden when he was a candidate on the campaign trail. arguing that the election in 2020 was a battle for the soul of america, that he is the one to unite the country, and also what we're told to expect tomorrow night is basically that democrats are the ones who are going to be the ones to preserve democracy, basically, this
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threat that is still facing democracy that the president will argue is very much still underway. so expect that from him tomorrow i thou night. we are told it will be about a 20 minute speech. it will be his 15th time tomorrow since he has visited the battleground, that's where democrats feel there's a chance of taking ask back a senate seat, flipping from republican to democrat. it's no mistake he is going back to pennsylvania to deliver this speech tomorrow, and will also be there again on monday, alisyn and victor. >> kaitlan collins watching it for us. thank you very much. let's talk more about pennsylvania and shift to the democratic senate nominee john fedderman who says he will not participate in next week's nominee, dr. mehmet oz. he says it's due to the recent mocking of health issues and
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recovery. >> fetterman wrote my recovery may be a joke to dr. oz and his team, but it's real to me. i will not be participating in a debate the first week of september but look forward to having a productive discussion about how we can move forward and have a real conversation on this once dr. oz and his team are ready to take this seriously. is fetterman saying he can not debate for medical reasons? >> reporter: that certainly seems to be what he's suggesting. alisyn and victor, in the immediate sense, this means we won't see these candidates debate in a race that could determine the balance of power in the senate, and that really leaves pennsylvania voters at a disadvantage. as we've reported, fetterman's campaign has been tight lipped on details about the candidate's recovery. so legitimate questions about his health status remain. but he says the way oz has raised his stroke recovery has been unacceptable. for his part, fetterman has spent a considerable amount of time mocking oz on social media mainly pointing out that up
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until recently the celebrity doctor lived in new jersey. oz not letting up the pressure in trying to push fetterman, though, to debate. take a listen. >> i offered john fetterman numerous opportunities to explain to me how i can make it easier for him to debate. he also doesn't leave his home and go out and answer questions. i've done 180 campaign events, and here's the deal, democracy needs candidates who actually listen to the voters, answer their questions, and are accountable to what they say. >> reporter: now, oz suggests if he has the opportunity to debate fetterman, it will allow him to show pennsylvanians how far to the left fetterman is on the issues. but that could be a miscalculation when you speak to voters in the state. they are very familiar with fetterman from his time as a mayor of braddick just outside of pittsburgh, and as pennsylvania's current lieutenant governor, one of his hallmark issues is decriminalizing marijuana. a voter i spoke to recently in
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pittsburgh told me they were even considering voting for fetterman despite disagreeing on many issues because they felt like they knew him and liked him. there could be center right voters that support fetterman because of how he has branded himself, despite his position of progress policy decisions. one thing for sure, though, we're not going to see these two debate the first week of september. >> all right. a very contentious race. good to see you. we are waiting for donald trump's legal team to respond to the doj's latest filing which alleges that all of those classified documents at mar-a-lago were concealed and removed to obstruct the doj's investig investigation. all that, next. ♪
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. top of a brand new hour now on cnn newsroom. i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. a block buster court filing from the justice department alleges that donald trump not only kept but concealed classified material at his florida home. the doj offers a time line of the many months the former president and his lawyers allegedly attempted to obstruct the fbi's investigation into the mishandling of classified material. the filing


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