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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com top of the hour this friday morning. i'm jim sciutto. we are following new developments in multiple investigations targeting the former president donald trump. just minutes ago, former white house counsel pat cipollone arrived at the u.s. district court. there he is. he and his former deputy, patrick physical distancen, are expected to appear before a grand jury investigating the events surrounding the january 6th attack on the capitol. both men are key witnesses to trump's actions in the last days of his presidency, including on january 6th. and in florida, a judge could rule at any time on the former president's request for a third party, a so-called special master, to review documents, including the classified ones seized from mar-a-lago. the judge also revealed she will release a more detailed inventory of documents taken
during that search. first though, we do want to begin with former white house counsel pat cipollone. his deputy appearing before a january 6 grand jury today. evan perez is outside u.s. district court in washington. this of course separate from the investigation to the handling of classified documents. this relates to january 6th. how significant is the testimony of cipollone and his deputy? >> reporter: jim, this is a very important testimony that we're going to get from the -- that the grand jury is going to get from pat cipollone and patrick philbin. these are two men who are inside the white house counsel. they were in a lot of the meetings that the president was organizing, as he was trying to overturn the election. he was trying to find ways to remain in power. and the importance of this grand jury is that this is the grand jury that is going beyond the 850 rioters who have been brought here and are facing charges for the violence that happened at the u.s. capitol. this is the grand jury that is
looking at -- directly at the higher level people, the people who are involved in organizing these so-called fake electors, organizing in seven battleground states, to try to find a way to keep donald trump in power by saying that he won those particular states. that's what this grand jury is overseeing. a short while ago, we saw tom wyndham, the prosecutor who is leading that team and that effort. so, this is the investigation that, you know, quietly, i think, has a lot of legal jeopardy -- presents a lot of legal jeopardy for the former president and some of his allies, jim. >> no question. big events in that courtroom behind you. evan perez, thanks so much. joining me now to discuss, former fbi special agent. good to have you back on. >> yeah. good to be back. >> so, let's begin with the doj investigation of january 6 here. and like the investigation into the handling of classified documents, you have the legal questions. was a crime committed?
is there sufficient evidence of any of the political questions? do you indict potentially a former sitting president to the country? regarding the doj criminal investigation, where does that stand in your view? and where does cipollone's and philbin's testimony fit into that broader probe? >> yeah, so, these two lawyers are really critical for the january 6th probe because the way that trump has been able to protect himself typically is by creating this cone of silence around him. and so it's very difficult to get to what he knew w, when he knew it, what he was doing. and we've seen that in a lot of the stone walling with the january 6th committee. so, spcipollone can really spea to that. and we know from cassidy hutchinson's testimony, he was there. he was observing. and i'm sure we're going to talk about executive privilege several times in this segment. but there's a question of
whether cipollone might assert some claim of executive privilege. but in this context, it doesn't go very far. there is supreme court precedent in u.s. v. nixon that the criminal justice process is able to pierce that veil, particularly when the testimony or when the evidence will reveal criminal activity. so, you know, we'll see how much -- i think this could really move the ball for the department of justice. >> you bring up executive privilege there. that, of course, an issue of contention in the separate doj probe of the president's handling of highly classified information. and there was a notable moment that our reporter cara ski nell from court highlighted yesterday where the judge said in so many words, i'm not sure it is settled law that a former president does not have claims to executive privilege. how significant was that in your view? >> i think it was really alarming given the context in which that claim is being made.
so, remember that executive privilege is about protecting communications concerning the core functions of the presidency from intrusion by other branches. so, this is a separation of powers principle. and what you have -- so, you know, in the january 6th context, there have been squirmishes about whether congress can get some of these communications or with u.s. v. nixon, it was about the power of judiciary to subpoena this information. what's happening at mar-a-lago is the executive branch is the one that is looking to review these documents that have been covered, recovered. and so it can't intrude upon itself. you can't make claim against the same branch. and i'll add, jim, that begin different than january 6th, i don't think they're really interested in the content of the communications. this is about illegal possession, right? it's just really about their presence at mar-a-lago. >> simplest terms, there's only
one president at a time who can claim that privilege. final question, if i can. in the pantheon of trump public statements, this one stood out yesterday, him openly offering or saying that he would look very, very seriously at full pardons -- his words there -- for those involved in the violent attack on the capitol, violent attack on law enforcement on january 6th. i asked jennifer rogers this question last hour. in her view, she said, it's hard to look at it as anything other than witness tampering. how do you view those comments? >> yes. i think it definitely invokes the spirit of prohibitions against witness tampering and obstruction. you know, i'm not sure if that could actually be investigated or charged in that way. that's what he's doing. we've seen this movie before. we saw this in the mueller probe, the dangling of the pardons. and that's when he was a sitting
president. i call this the pre-presidential pardon dangling, which is both to give him political benefit. but i think we should also be alarmed that if he wins, i have no doubt that he would follow through on that promise. >> yeah. >> and all of this work the department of justice has done -- i mean, think about this. hundreds of people that they have prosecuted to hold them accountable and potentially could walk free. >> 800 have been charged, i believe, today for their involvement. ash ram ga pa, thanks so much. >> thank you. president biden will speak next hour on the rollout of his american rescue plan. this speech coming just hours after he gave a fiery address at philadelphia's independence hall, in which he rebuked former president trump as well as so-called maga republicans who still support him. he calls them a threat to democracy. this is happening as trump publicly dangled pardons for the rioter who is violently stormed
the capitol on january 6th. have a listen. >> donald trump and the maga republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. they look at the mob that stormed the united states capitol on january 6th, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots. and they see their maga failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections. >> making a point there about this being a threat going forward. for more on all this, i want to speak to cnn's john harwood, also gabby orr. if i could begin with you, john, the white house standing by the message, despite criticism even from his own party, that it went
too far. what are they saying? >> well, look, they are standing by the message that president biden offered. of course it was a political speech in a midterm reelection year. the core point he made in that political speech about a threat to democracy is true. that's something that's not easy for us, as journalists, to say. we're brought up to believe there's two different political parties with different points of view and we don't take sides in honest disagreements between them. but that's not what we're talking about. these are not honest disagreements. the republican party right now is led by a dishonest demagogue. many, many republicans are rallying behind his lies about the 2020 election and other things as well. and a significant portion, or a sufficient portion, of the constituency that they're leading attacked the capitol on
january 6th violently. by offering pardons or suggesting people for those people who violently attacked the capitol, which you've been pointing out numerous times this morning, donald trump made joe biden's point for him. >> gabby orr, let's focus on those comments from the former president yesterday. and keep in mind as we discuss this, that it was lawmakers of both parties who were threatened that day, lawmakers of both parties making calls to get him to call off these attackers. what did the former president say exactly yesterday? >> in aexperience on a conservative radio show, he did call in yesterday and say he's, quote, very favorably looking at full pardons for january 6 defendants if he decides to run for president in 2024 and is elected once again. now, he also said -- and this is something new that we haven't heard before from the former president -- that he is financially supporting january 6 defendants. jim, we don't know exactly what that means, whether that's money
that has come from his various political committees and is going towards the legal fees for these defendants. we don't know the scope of that financial support. but he did acknowledge publicly for the first time that he's offering it. and he said at one point, you know, these -- some of the people that he's supporting are incredible. he described them as police officers, firemen, former military members. and i just want to point out that while some of them are, in fact, retired police officers, one of those individuals, thomas webster, just hour bs before, w learned the former president's comments yesterday, was sentenced to ten years for using a flag pole as a weapon against other police officers when he stormed the capitol on january 6. so, again, former president donald trump acknowledging that he has met with these individuals, saying that they were in his office earlier this week, that he views them as incredible, and that he is
financially supporting them to some extent as they navigate the legal implications of what they did on january 6. >> to your part, yes, there were former soldiers and former police officers and firemen in the ranks there. and several were charged. among those, hundreds that have been charged with crimes. john harwood, turning back to the president's speech last night, he did use part of the time to emphasize his progress during his administration, as he described it. >> he did. he touted some of the things that they have gotten done in congress, gun safety, veterans, burn pit legislation, the bipartisan infrastructure plan. he invoked those in the service of making the point that there are republicans who are in a significant number of republicans who do reject what donald trump is talking about, who do reject violence, who want to work through the political
process. and the reason it made that point is that all those pieces of legislation required republican cooperation. so, you had a significant chunk of republicans who worked with democrats in the biden administration to make those things happen. so, he was trying to do both things at the same time, warn about trump and what he calls the maga republicans, the extremist republicans, warn about the danger they pose while also saying most republicans may not share that view, and i can work with those people. >> john harwood, gabby orr, thanks so much to both of you for joining this morning. still to come this hour, we will speak with the labor secretary marty walsh, the administration's reaction to the august jobs report, and what the slowing growth in jobs says in their view about the possibility of recession. that's next. also later, growing concern about how much the pandemic affected academics. for american students, new research shows that math and reading scores plummeted. there is some hope that the return to in-person learning can
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back today. >> thanks for having me, jim, today. >> you look at this figure, 315,000 jobs added. slower than the 528,000 added the previous month. unemployment ticks up a bit. are you beginning to see the economy slow something what here? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i mean, first of all, last month's number was off the chart great. i mean, i don't think -- you don't get many 500,000-plus job additions in the course of a month in the history of doing this. but the one number in this report that i'm very encouraged by is labor participation went up. and we saw that number go up, which means more people are looking for jobs and getting into the work force. i hope that number continues to go up. and if the unemployment rate goes up because of that, that's okay because there are still many job openings in the united states of america. we need to get more people back into work, back on the job sites across this country. and i think that's a good sign and that shows we're going to have good progress as we move forward in the fall and winter
months here. >> i know there are a number of folks in the administration that are watching the numbers very closely, yourself included, for any signs of recession, particularly as interest rates go up. when you joined me last night, pointed to strong job gains. have you seen any new data or indicators to show you or give you any concern about the direction of the economy? >> no, i haven't. since i was on with you last month, you know, i've had meetings at the white house about cyber security and the need for 700,000 people working in that industry over the next five years. i had meetings about teaching and the need for more teachers in the teaching field, nurses, more nurses. so, there are plenty of jobs coming in the united states of america. what we need to do is make sure we're making investments in the work force development training and apprenticeships. i'm not concerned about a stalling economy when it comes to job creation. but what i want to do is make sure we're getting people prepared to getting better paying jobs. >> the fed chair, powell, he
said publicly as he discussed rising interest rates that there will be some pain, his words, on the horizon. rsm estimates the fed's efforts to get inflation under control could cost somewhere from 2 million to 5 million jobs. that's significant. do you share that concern? do you disagree with the fed chair? >> well, you know, i have a wait-and-see approach to see how we're moving forward. i don't know if the fed takes this into account, but we have 11 million job openings in the united states of america. we have 5.5 million, 6 million people eligible for those jobs. so, we have more jobs than people. so, i'm not sure how that dynamic plays as we move forward here, if these job openings stand. i'm assuming the fed is making assumption that companies are going to be laying off and letting people go and down sizing. but there's other jobs that people can access, and that's why i think it's important for us to make sure the work force
is prepared for other jobs. >> i ask you regularly as well when we have the pleasure of having you on this broadcast about direction of inflation. and these are figures watched very closely as well. inflation is still historically quite high, and perhaps the curve has flattened a bit. but it's still high. are you, is the administration, seeing any concrete signs that inflation is going to begin trending downward? >> i don't think i can answer that question yet because, like you, when the numbers come out, we look at the numbers and dissect the numbers just like the jobs report. and you know, at least i can say over the last several months here -- last two months -- we've seen gas prices come down. we've seen some relief on inflation coming down. but i think it's too early to say that, you know, we're going to see it continue to go in a downward trajectory. i hope it does, and i hope that we're able to move through this. the one thing i will say, we're in a very interesting economy. and this is unlike any other time in the history of the united states of america.
so, it's very hard to judge what's happening today as compared to what happened in past sessions and past downturns because it's different factors for this reason, for inflation happening here in the united states and global inflation. >> secretary marty walsh, thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> happy labor day. we do have breaking news just in to cnn. a florida judge has just unsealed a more detailed inventory of the documents, many of them classified, taken from trump's mar-a-lago home. there's a great deal to go through. i've got the documents right here in front of me. kara ski nell, former prosecutor jennifer projectors joins us now. what's new here? >> what we're learning from this, we've got first the investigative report, which tells us in addition to this investigation which we've known based on previous court filings is related to the possession of government documents and also possible obstruction.
they also tell us in this that they are looking into how these items were seized, including but not limited to the nature and manner in which they were stored as well as any evidence with respect to particular documents arriving of interest. so, now we've got this inventory of several pages. what's interesting to look at this, you look at, as an example, one box container that they say, within this container, there are confidential documents. there are documents with secret classification markings. there's also articles of clothing, gift ideas, a book, and other documents that are not classified. so, it shows the mix and the kind of haphazardness that these documents were maintained, certainly not what is expected of classified documents. >> no greater care taken with a magazine than with top secret information. >> exactly. and i've just been doing a quick tally here. i'm counting more than 5,000 pages of u.s. government documents without classification markings. we've already known that there have been a number -- several
hundred -- that were classified over -- i think it was 320 or so. now we're seeing he's had thousands of pages of government documents -- >> which could relate to government records separate from any government records that are classified -- >> exactly. >> -- which still belong to the government. >> that's the exact point. we're seeing this is not just 300 pages of classified records he had but thousands of pages of government documents. and the whole issue here is the possession of these documents. the government saying he is not entitled to have any of this. >> jennifer -- and i'm going to let you -- there are a number of pages here that require attention. jennifer, a couple of points to highlight. first to that question, we're now learning that the investigation looks in not just retention of classified documents and u.s. defense information but the nature and manner in which they were stored. this on page 2 of the notice here. what potential law could be broken there? >> well, jim, there are laws
around how you properly keep classified documents. we've talked before about a scif, which is the proper way to keep them. and we've heard reporting about how they were kept at mar-a-lago, how when authorities went in there and they weren't allowed to actually look at the documents in the storage room but they said at least put an additional lock on it. so, you know, it's not just a matter of who has classified documents but how it's actually kept. so, some of what the government is looking into is that issue, how these were kept. and anything kept at mar-a-lago would be improper if it's classified because there's no classified facility there. but the notion of this inventory explains how in a box would be unclassified information with different levels of classification. that's completely improper. classified information as a whole has to be kept in specific ways. and then top secret has to be kept in a different way than just secret and so on. so, there's lots of protocols around this. and all of it seems to have been
broken. >> no question. i had a top secret security clearance during my time in government. and in general practice, you never let those leave those secure rooms, known as scifs, let alone take them home and store them for a number of months. i do want to ask you about this other issue here because there is a law that governs presidential records or government records. it's the presidential records act, which requires them to be hand over. they belong not to you, the president or former president, but the government. what is the volume of requested attempts to return it, but also unclassified markings. do they have to be classified to be a legal problem under the presidential records act? >> the short answer is yes because there's no criminal enforcement mechanism for the presidential records act. this is what nara has been trying to do for a year and a half, get these records back. but that doesn't mean that there's a chargeable criminal
offense in relation to his improperly keeping them. that all came about when nara realized, upon obtaining those initial 15 or so boxes in january of this year, that there was a lot of classified information there, including national defense information, which, you know, doesn't necessarily have to be classified or vice versa. but that is what the criminal problem is, not the fact that he had records he wasn't entitled to. although that issue does go to things like, you know, is there jurisdiction for a special master? is there any right to get these documents back from the government now? but as a criminal matter, it's not implicated if it's just a presidential record that's not in any way classified or a national defense information. >> understood. okay. jennifer, please stand by there because cara and i have been going through this as best we can. so, when you look at this full inventory here, you see 33 items. they're all boxes basically. and in addition to the details here, the number of classified,
confidential, top secret documents, how they're kept, right, along with articles of clothing, magazine covers, but where they were kept. i see that items one through, i believe it's seven, were kept in an office. i think they're referring to the president's office there. and the other from storage rooms. it shows this was in more than one location. >> right. which also gets to the heart of why the fbi executed this search warrant in the first place because they didn't get access to -- to look inside the storage boxes when they went in june. so, we're really learning from this just how haphazard these things were kept and just how -- the volume really, the volume of boxes. >> for folks at home and for myself as well, is this inventory of things that were collected in the search or the totality going back to things that were handed over in january? >> you know, that is a good
question. i think that this is from the search because the full issue at play here is the special master. >> for the most recently taken documents here. so, this is an enormous amount in that search. it goes through -- and folks, we have -- it's eight pages here. but it lists 33 different items, which i think -- is it correct to take this as each of these as a separate box of stuff? >> i mean, so we'll see -- we see from some of them, number eight, says it's a box and container from the storage room. number seven is listed as a document from the office, where that happens to be a document. and then you see another item that also says 640 documents. so, it's not clear how they decided to describe it, but it certainly tells us the volume of materials that he had that he had taken from the white house. >> after his lawyers signed a letter saying, jennifer rogers, if you're still there, that we have returned everything, and
yet still months later, they're scattered around unsecure facilities in unsecure cartons. how does that relate to the legal question here of not just retention -- that's a fact. they were retained. we can see that. we saw the photos. but the handling of them during retention? >> well, jim, that's why we see in the statutes that are the basis for this search warrant an obstruction charge, which is that it's not just the classified information happened to be found there but that in fact in these negotiations and in this letter, the trump folks said that they had done a diligent search. they had looked everywhere, and there were no further classified information. so, you can talk about the potential for a false statements charge but also this obstruction charge. they were trying to, by lying to federal officials about whether they were classified materials there or documents with
classified markings to be more precise, they were obstructing their investigation. that's where you see the basis for that come in. and it spells potentially big legal trouble for the former president and for some of his team. >> if you're just joining us now, the judge has just unsealed the inventory of documents taken from trump's mar-a-lago home. boxes and containers and other documents taken from the president's office and storages at mar-a-lago. none of them secure, mind you, in the view of the fbi or doj. evan perez joins us now. evan, you've been perusing this document, i'm sure. what stands out to you? >> jim, as kara mentioned we're talking now about thousands of pages of documents that potentially if this judge in florida decides that she wants to order a special master, there's a lot more things that this person's going to have to
go through beyond obviously the fbi -- according to the document, according to the prosecutors, the fbi already has a separate team that has gone through and has singled out things that they believe -- i believe there's 520 pages of things that could have some attorney/client privilege material. potentially though, this special master that this judge is thinking of appointing would have to go through everything to make sure that what the fbi says is true, right? so, you can see now why the justice department is concerned about the potential delay in this investigation, that this would have the effect of delaying the investigation. because she's saying -- the judge is saying that while this is going on, she's going to prevent the fbi from having access to some of these documents. it's a very, very big deal, considering that, you know, again, they're trying to get through some of this investigation over the next couple of months. the justice department typically goes quiet, jim, because of the midterms.
>> understood. and just to a point we were making just a moment ago, to be clear, this is an inventory of documents seized during that august 8th search of the president's home in mar-a-lago. it says materials seized pursuant to the search warrant executed on august 8, 2022. kara's sharp eyes pointed that out. a number of the items in this item list are empty folders, empty folders with classified banners. that's not to imply most of them are empty because there are a whole host of listed and counted government documents with various classified listings here. but any idea of the significance of that or does it show there was just a muddle of stuff. >> at a minimum, it shows there was a muddle. there's also labels return to staff/secretary aide. we don't know what was in those documents, if they were just empty folders from the get-go,
or these documents were scattered amongst some of these other records. >> that stands out to me. in the brief time i handled classified documents myself, there were documented you're not supposed to hold on to that were classified for deliberate security reasons because you don't want them floating around. look at them, absorb them, and get them back to the safe location, the person or agency who gave them to you. we're going to -- there's a lot to go through here. we'll continue to do. please, everyone stand by. if you're just joining us, the judge has just unsealed the inventory of documents taken in the fbi's august 8th search of the president's home in mar-a-lago. a lot of information in here confirming once again how much of that, those documents seized, were classified. we'll have more right after this break.
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breaking news, a florida judge has just unsealed a more detailed full inventory list of all the documents, many of them classified, taken from trump's florida home, mar-a-lago, in that search on august 8th. we have it here and we have a team that's been looking through it, judging some of the significance here. kara, you and i, as we go over this long inventory, one notable thing is just the treatment -- or i suppose you could say mistreatment -- in that these
highly sensitive documents were thrown into boxes, containers, parts of the president's office with other things, magazines, books, clothing, gift items. >> you see that it's not just one of these boxes and containers described here, which is a list of 33 or so of them -- yeah, 33 boxes and containers. you see in one of them, it's magazines, press articles, then 11 confidential documents, classified documents, 21 with secret classification markings. and then articles of clothing, gifts, a book, and other non-classified government records. so, you just get a sense this is very haphazard. these classified top secret documents are not being maintained in the secure manner in which they're required to be done. this shows the breadth of what they must have found when they looked at this. what was also unsealed today was an investigative team status report. and in that, the prosecutors write that, you know, as they're going through the seized material that one of the things
that they're looking at is not only the documents themselves but the nature and manner in which they were stored. >> yeah. >> and they said that will inform the government's investigation and inform, it also says, witness interviews and grand jury practice. so, it's still an active investigation. >> it highlights the point it's not just the retention of these documents, which belong to the government, not to the person, but also how they were stored during that time period. and by the way, if you get a security clearance, it is drilled into your head to treat documents with care because of the risk of them getting out. evan perez, as we noted here, empty folders listed in this inventory as well. >> yeah, jim. and look, i was looking at, for example, a box/container from storage room is labelled on item 18, it notes two empty folders labelled, return to staff secretary, military aide. there's a lot of things that stick out. we can't draw any conclusions obviously. but it does, you know, fit into the pattern of what we know the
former president, his practices were when he was president. and this is the kind of thing that the grand jury, any witnesses that are going to be brought before the grand jury investigating this case as part of this investigation, they're going to be asked about the president's habits. one of the things we know is, you know, he had a habit of when he was getting briefed, he would ask for the documents and he would want to keep them, even though the protocol would be for him to return them to the aide who was handling it. and of course those things were logged in and logged out. there was a whole -- there's a whole procedure that is used to keep track of these documents. and this is why there was so much concern inside the intelligence community about important documents that they obviously keep very, very tight hold of and track of, you know, would end up at the white house and sort of disappear, you know? so, this kind of fits into that pattern. and i'm sure witnesses are going to be asked about that when they
go before the grand jury. >> yeah. more details we just had on the screen. we said early on more than 100 classified documents found in the search. we know how that broke down. 31 confidential at the lowest level of classification. 18 marked top secret. top secret, it earns that rating when the revelation of that intelligence could cause grave damage to u.s. national security. jennifer rogers, of course the significance beyond the classified nature of this is the possibility that a special master could be designated by the judge to look through what is an enormous volume, thousands of pages, it appears, of information. how much would that set back the ongoing doj investigation of the handling and retention of these documents to have a special master go through that? how long could we expect a special master to take to do that kind of thing? >> it's really hard to tell, jim, because a special master
can't even start that job until one is selected. you know, usually the judge will ask the parties for recommendations, then appoint someone. that person needs to be cleared to sci clearance level, above top secret. so, that will take time. and i think the review, obviously, takes time. we're probably talking about a matter of weeks, not months. we don't have hundreds and hundreds of boxes. we don't have electronic devices with lots of documents on them. but still it will set them back many, many weeks. they had an ongoing investigation which of course they could pursue, presumably they would have to put these documents aside and not use them for their investigation. but they could continue the parts of the investigation that they were doing before the search happened. >> lord, we've done a count now. take some time to do it when there's this many. it is in fact more than 11,000 non-classified government documents. that's the non-classified ones. as we just mentioned, there are more than 100 classified ones
taken. and this is just during the august 8th search. so, after the january moment, when trump and his team handed over some of the documents and then claimed they handed everything over, 11,000 government documents. jennifer, i just have to ask you from a legal perspective, if you're looking into this for the possibility of a criminal case, an indictment, does volume factor into that decision? >> it does. it does because it tells you something about the egregiousness of the behavior and it tells you something about intent. we already knew here there was a lengthy back and forth between trump and his team and the government, both the national archives and of course doj and fbi. so, there's no question that he knew he was possessing these materials, the nature of them, that they needed to be turned over and wasn't doing that. so, that tells you most of what you need to know about intent. but it also matters, i think, that you're not talking about a
handful of documents. you're talking about hundreds, thousands of documents. so, it will matter to doj ultimately when they consider charging this because, you know, it just go to the egregiousness of the conduct and the intent. >> remarkable. more than 11,000 documents, more than 100 classified documents found just in that august 8th raid. thanks so much for helping us understand all this. we are, of course, going to continue to follow this developing story. next, just ahead, nasa is pushing ahead with tomorrow's rescheduled launch of artemis i. even with some risks involved. we're going to live from the kennedy space center. they release medicine fastst for fast pain relief. and now get relilief without a pill with tylylenol dissolve packs. relief without the water. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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right now, nasa is preparing for take two of its mega-moon rocket launch. the artemis mission scheduled now to liftoff tomorrow. nasa does acknowledge there will be an increase in risk, but officials say they are comfortable with that. last hour, the nasa administrator bill nelson, told me it's not the mechanics that pose a question tomorrow but really the weather. >> the launch team is very confident. they have, to use a southern term, they have looked at it from izzard to zgizzard. and very confident. and the only thing that's going
to get in the way if it does is summertime in florida, the rainstorms, the lightning storms. >> kristen fisher is down at kennedy space center and joins me now. bill nelson saying, really the only question is the weather tomorrow. how's it looking, then, for this? >> reporter: well, i sure appreciate his optimism and i hope he's right. we got to take a tour of the weather squadron that makes the forecast and makes the go/no-go calls for weather on launch day. and what they said was that we now have a 60% favorable weather forecast for launch at the beginning of the launch window tomorrow, 80% favorable at the end of the launch window. so, those are some incredibly good weather forecasting numbers for florida in august on a launch day. so, that really brings into the question the technical side, the
mechanical side. yes, weather issues can always come up. weather constraints can come up. but the big question now, i think, is, has nasa successfully troubleshooted all of the issues that they ran into on monday? and jim, we got a chance to go right out to the launch pad yesterday and see this megarocket for ourself. and boy it's -- you know, you just get a sense for how complicated it is, how tough a job nasa has when you're standing right next to this thing. it's much bigger standing by it than it is here, about four miles away. the big question is, jim, did nasa make the changes they needed to make? they say they fixed the hydrogen leak. they say they're now comfortable with essentially ignoring a faulty sensor. we now know that the engine was likely cooled. that engine that was causing some problems was likely cooled to the right temperatures. it was a bad sensor that was giving them the wrong data. so, nasa's plan now, i asked
them point blank yesterday at a press conference, i said, the plan now is just ignore the sensor? and they were like, yes, that's it. so, yes, weather a concern, as senator nelson said, jim. but for me, my vantage point, i think the big question is, has nasa made the technical adjustments, the engineering changes needed to give it a go for the second launch attempt. >> in nelson's word, they've gone through it izzard to gizzard. thanks very much. thanks very much to all of you for joining us today. we hope you have a chance to celebrate the long holiday weekend. i'm jim sciutto. erica hill starts right after a quick break. ♪ ♪ ♪
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello everyone. at this hour, a judge releases the full list of what investigators found in their search of former president trump's mar-a-lago home a few weeks ago. a new jobs report. just what does it tell us about the impact of the federal reserve's move on the u.s. economy? and caught on video, the shocking assassination attempt on argentina's vice president. this is what we're watching at this hour. thanks for joining us. i'm erica hill in today for kate bolduan. we're following two big stories. first there is new data on the state of the u.s. economy,