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this seems like a devastating loss for the people of the united kingdom. it comes at a time when you have a brand new prime minister who has only been on the job two days and is still relatively unknown. >> i think this is going to be a big issue for the crowds gathered behind us now, just coming to terms with the gravity of what's happened, not having the queen to look to in this moment of national crisis, and having a new prime minister to have to carry the nation at this moment. i think her speech was very powerful earlier on. we now look to prince charles to address the nation, as you say, we're expecting king charles of course, to address the nation tomorrow night. probably hear from buckingham palace, i think it will be
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prerecorded. there will be gun salutes tomorrow. the formalitiies tomorrow. k king charles and queen camilla will be overseeing the first day of national mourning, which will continue until the funeral in just under two weeks' time. so at the moment, the body will be lying in the ballroom, i imagine, and members of staff will be paying their respects, as will members of the family who will gather there, and there will be a procession to the capital of scotland tomorrow, where the queen will lie for a couple of days. that's the plan, i think. but these things are being signed off by prince charles, i think. king charles, as we speak. and then there will be the funeral in a couple of weeks, which will be an extraordinary affair, bianca. can you imagine a bigger state
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event, not just for the uk but almost the world considering her status on the world stage. >> i don't think it's possible for anyone to imagine what that's going to be like. i think, jake, picking up on your point about the new prime minister at the helm of this country, at a time when the nation has lost its continuity, the monarch that everyone has always known, is another inflection point and it deepens the sense of change and crisis to some extent that this nation feels. prime minister liz truss is currently deeply unpopular and also unknown in the country at large. she was ushered in by 0.2% of the eligible electorate. so this isn't somebody who has won over the hearts and minds of this country, that the british public feel akin to, feel like they're comfortable in her leadership just yet. so it's definitely a moment where the nation feels a sense of uncertainty in its own
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identity and who to look to as a figure of leadership now. >> and king charles, it's him who they need to look to. it will be really interesting in the coming days when we speak to all the well wishers and morners who will come out to get an idea of how they feel about king charles. we know from basic polls, generally i would say opinion has been better. i think we've had some cnn polling to that effect in recent years. but they will be looking for that sort of stability that they have had in queen elizabeth ii for 70 years. i just -- everyone i have spoken to today said we have just not known any different. i think there is a huge sense of loss, despite the queen being 96 years old. that she's gone and they can't actually imagine a world without her. one person i spoke to, had a gasp and sat shocked, despite
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having been inside buckingham palace for a couple of hours waiting for that news. >> unimaginable, isn't it? you knew it was coming, but now you have to get used to the idea. it's that thing everyone comes down here and lays flowers and that's all they can do. but there will be, you know, nearly two weeks now of a very carefully planned events. the king will travel around the nations to reflect that he is king of the united kingdom. and every other day we will focus on the king and his future, looking back at the queen's incredible reign, which ended today. it's hard to believe really, jake. >> max, let me ask you, because i truly have no idea how is king charles iii, i'm sure there's sympathy and support for him as a son and a public figure, but how is he regarded by the people of the uk?
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is there the same love for him, the same adoration? do you feel confident that his will be a long monarchy, as assuming health and everything continues to be well? >> i mean, the system is that he is monarch now. the only thing that would change that is if he would abdicate. and there's no intention on his part to ever do that. i think he's got the same commitment that his mother had. this will be a job for life. is he as popular? well, no, frankly. you have to compare these two different figures. the queen never expressed an opinion. that was the strategy. she barely expressed emotion. you could effectively project your own emotions onto her. i know that's a complex idea, but that's her way of thinking. she's standing in front of a building, you don't know if she likes the building.
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prince charles, as he was, felt he had a right to express opinions before he took the throne. he's going to change that now for sure. he's going to act in the same way as the queen. so anything that he does will be an expression of the nation. he's aware of that, so he's going to change. the issue is he does have baggage from his past. i think the much bigger issue is that outside the united kingdom and other realms, particularly australia and jamaica, it's pretty clear that those nations have a plan to become republics, and the republican movements in those nations have always seen the death of the queen as the opportunity to spearhead those campaigns based on the unpopularity of king charles. >> yeah. and bianca, if i may interject, it does seem like there is an opportunity here, bianca and anna, for both the new prime minister, liz truss, and also for king charles iii, because
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the people of the uk, i would sense, i would speculate, want reassurance at this time, given the fact that the queen and boris johnson, have both left the stage. >> there's definitely an opportunity. prime minister liz truss has something which king charles iii doesn't, she's benefitting from having very low expectations, because she enters office with low name recognition. pe that isn't the same for the new sovereign. but what both of those things speak to, jake, there is a sense of rudderlessness. this is a country that has left the european union. this is a country whose longest serving monarch has just died. there's no longer peace on the
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european conflict. britain is heavily involved in the war of ukraine, and we've had a period of intense political turbulence. so the nation is at a moment where it feels a little bit like it's convulsing and it doesn't know what it is. and that presents opportunities, but the scale of the challenge, jake is great. >> rudderless is the word i was going to use. it's been like this since boris johnson said he was going to step down. in terms of the economy, the people here in the usk, seeing the inflation figure is the worst of the g-10, that the cost of living crisis here is wbitin harder, that inflation could hit 22% next year, that 1 in 3 households will be able to heat their homes next month. so the challenges here are great, and people really want to feel some leadership. i worry.
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i don't know whether prime minister truss will be able to bring people together. but perhaps king charles iii can. i think people want to see unity here. >> we should note the strategy has been, you would have seen, and we've seen how whenever we see king charles, we also see william and kate in recent times. they've come together effectively as a foursome. that has to be, because william and kate are so popular. kate in particular. and they are the bottom face of the monarchy. so i don't think it will be king charles on his own, it will be the four of them. and camilla has become popular in recent times. and prince william, he's taken over as duke of cornwall. so things are changing quickly. we'll know him as the prince of wales, as well, and kate will be princess of wales, once they're
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bes bestowed with those titles. >> that's right. prince william is now the heir to the throne. thanks to all of you. i want to hear now from the british people. so let's go to scott mclain at windsor castle. scott, mourners have been laying flowers for hours there, paying their respects. what are you hearing from them? >> hey, jake. yeah, i'm standing off camera. i don't want to speak too loud, because i don't want to interrupt this very somber scene that we're seeing here, and people coming to lay flowers just outside of the gates to the castle. what i found remarkable is, a, there's this many flowers that are still available in stores, because it seems like every second person you run into on the street has them. and the other thing is many of them have hand written notes and cards attached to them as well where people have written some heartfelt things about somebody they very much likely have not met before. the thing you hear over and over again, the words you hear over
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and over again are duty and service. these are the things that the queen did and trying to unite the country. i want to talk to a couple of people. sir, how are you feeling? >> it's a very somber atmosphere. the queen gave us 70 years, and everyone feels the need to come out and just show their respect, really. >> why was it important to bring your daughter here? >> it was her idea. we decided to just jump in the car and come down and pay our respects. >> sorry for the loss to your country. let me just wander through the crowd, jake, and talk to other people. sir, just wondering how you're feeling at this moment? >> sad. >> t what did the queen fmean t you? >> a lot, to be honest. >> this is the remarkable thing, jake, people expressing genuine
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emotion about this person that seems so far removed on the surface of their daily lives. but in reality, she's not necessarily. she's very much a part of their daily lives. let me grab someone else. ma'am, excuse me, sorry. you're live on cnn. wondering how you're feeling at this moment? >> umm, numb. i'm a windsorian, born and bred. used to pass her in the car horse riding, i feel numb at the moment, to be honest. >> what does she mean to you and the country? >> everything. she's been there, she may have been in the background, but she was -- she was always there. if that makes any sense at all. the whole situation at the moment doesn't make sense. we've been waiting for it but never really wanted it to happen, ever. >> the country, you know, from my vantage point doesn't seem overtly patriotic, but
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patriotism seems to come out around the monarchy. why is that? >> we're proud. we're proud of her and what she's done for us. she's just been steadfast for everything. i think everyone here probably has the same opinion. she is everybody's grandma. especially in windsor. windsorians, we love her to bits. the whole royal family are just -- they're just windsor. everything and windsor is the royal family. and we are very patriotic and very proud. but just have a stiff upper lip, we all have it. >> thank you for talking. >> she will be very missed. >> thank you for talking to us. >> you're welcome. >> thank you for your loss and for your country. >> thank you. >> reporter: jake, it's past 10:00 right now, and people are still coming out, a steady flow of people carrying bouquets,
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wanting to pay their respects to their queen. >> scott, thanks so much. let's bring back sally, who has published multiple biographies on the royal family. i think it's difficult for people who don't live in a monarchy what it's like to have a leader for 70 years. a beloved president, can be somebody who served for one term. donald trump has many supporters who love him. george w. bush, barack obama, two-term presidents. the most we ever had was franklin delanor roosevelt, who served almost four terms. >> you know what i was just thinking? she went for 70 years, queen victoria was 63 years. george v was 25 years. her father, george vi, was 15 years. so if you look all the way back
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into the middle of the 19th century, the dominant monarch has been a woman. and so it's going to be -- it's going to be really odd to have a man to be saying -- i mean, just for people to get used to saying "god save the king." it's been god save the queen since 1952. >> yeah, absolutely. >> you know, it's just embedded in british life. >> you heard max foster's observation that king charles and queen camilla have been dutifully making sure that in public appearances, they have the prince, prince william, and his princess. we've been talking about the responsibilities that king charles has before him. what about prince william? what responsibilities does he
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have? because he's now not only heir apparent to the throne, but he is heir to the throne of a king who is in his 70s. >> yes, yes. i mean, may king charles iii have as long a reign as he can, but it will be a short reign comparatively. >> because his mom lived to be 101. >> and king charles is in very good shape, but he's turning 74 in november. he's very vigorous. but william is the, you know, he's the one that will be increasingly in the spotlight. he is the facemonarchy. charles will be more of a transitional figure, i think. >> interesting. >> so william and kate, they're coming over here in the beginning of december. they're going to be in boston. he's going to be launching his earth shot prize, and --
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>> that's what that is, the earth shot. >> it's his vision, it's an environmental award that he started a few years ago. he's doing it at the kennedy library with a nod to the moon shot. so, you know, he is, you know, i mean, king charles will be the king. but william will be the prince of wales, and he will be very much in the spotlight. >> what about prince harry and his wife, the duchess, meghan markle, what of them in this new era? >> well, you know, the irony is that when -- years ago when charles was talking about how he wanted to do a slimmed down monarchy, now that he's upon it, he needs william and kate. he needs his brother, edward and
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sophie. he doesn't have many people to call on. it would have been really nice for him to have harry and meghan had they not decided to leave. >> is that -- there's one thing to be drama about the prince having an estranged son and daughter-in-law. it's another thing to have drama where the king of the uk has an estranged son. >> by the way, he now has the power to make archie a prince. >> interesting. >> as king. >> which would do a lot, right? >> it might. if there's a way of healing in the royal family, it may be in this moment. >> all right. well, let the healing begin. sally, always great to have you. thank you so much for your expertise. she's been telling me about her next book and i can't wait. hurry up with it.
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she saw joe biden just last year, but when queen elizabeth's reign began, when she was a princess, she met harry truman three months before her reign began. the first president she met as queen was president eisen haur. coming up next, the late monarch's influence on the u.s. and its leaders over her seven decades on the throne. who says you can't get 100% whiter teeth? try crest whitening emulsions. remove 10 years of stains... in just 4 days. and it's enamel safe for everyday use. better... faster... 100% whiter teeth.
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♪ ♪ [ bells toll ] just a few moments ago here in washington, d.c., in the nation's capital, the national cathedral ring its funeral bell 96 times to honor queen elizabeth ii who passed away earlier today at the age of 96, after a 70-year reign. 14 american presidents have served during the late queen elizabeth ii's 70-year reign. her majesty met with each of them with the exception of president johnson.
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her first meeting with an american president as queen was president eisenhower. they had known each other from their time together in world war ii. president reagan and queen elizabeth were known to have shared a close friendship, as well as a shared love of horseback riding. in 1983, she traveled to the reagan's california ranch for a visit, we she found delightful and exciting. president obama and the queen met after he took office in 2009. first lady michelle obama committed a royal faux pas, placing her hand on the queen's shoulder, but her majesty reciprocated, placing her hand on the first lady's back. her final meeting with the american president coming with joe biden last year, in england, biden's only time meeting the british monarch as president.
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cnn's phil mattingly is here in washington. joe biden has ordered flags there at the white house to half staff. he's also remembering the impact of queen elizabeth on his life. >> yeah, that's right. those flag also be at half staff until the queen's burial. the president and first lady jill biden putting out a lengthy statement, recognizing not just her contribution to the u.s. and uk's relationship, but to the world, saying she was more than a monarch, but defined an era. she was a steadying presence and source of confidence and pride, including many who have never known the country without her. he went on to say, he met her in 1982, traveling to the uk as part of the senate delegation,
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and jake, it was during that trip -- obviously, it was a big international focus, big focus on the u.s. role in the world, given it was joe biden's first international trip. but the focus on that meeting itself seemed so important to the president. i think that's the case with any president at the time. but also understanding what it represented for the queen. it was her first viz wit the head of state since the death of her husband, prince philip, just three days after what would have been his 100th birthday. something that white house officials said the president would address with the queen after that visit, which was tea for a little more than 40 minutes between the queen, the president and first lady. the president said he reminded him of her mother, both in appearance and in her generosity, jake. >> phil, thank you so much. from meetings with world leaders to her royal family's drama, when the queen spoke,
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everyone listened. and turned to her for guidance. cnn's tom foreman showed us all the world was a stage for queen elizabeth. >> reporter: coming of age at the end of world war ii, there was elizabeth, a princess just 21 with a birthday pledge for her people. >> i declare before you all, with my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service. >> reporter: on the throne that patient promise, with the help of figures such as winston churchill, helped her rebuild the nation and would guide her through decades of turmoil. >> we can never forget those who have died and been injured and their families. >> reporter: whether navigating the troubles of northern ireland, the issues of the faulklands war in the '80s, or seeing her own family on more recent battlefields, the queen has remained publicly and
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steadily committed to british allies. >> talk, we will. listen, we have to. disagree from time to time we may. but united we must always remain. >> reporter: over the many years, there have been stumbles. in 1966, a mining disaster in wales killed more than 100 schoolchildren and dozens of adults. the queen lingered more than a week before visiting, decades later saying that delay was her biggest regret. in 1992, royal scandals and the rapidly failing marriage of prince charles and princess diana prompted her to call it a horrible year. >> just turned out to be a horrible year. >> reporter: when diana died, the queen said -- >> she was an exceptional and gifted human being. in good times and bad, she never lost her capacity to smile and laugh, nor to inspire others
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with her warmth and kindness. >> reporter: economic troubles, political turmoil, accusations of racism within her family, even the global pandemic. she met it all the same way she met virtually every challenge of her 70-year reign. >> we should take comfort that while we may still have more to endure, better days will return. we will be with our friends again. we will be with our families again. we will meet again. >> reporter: the queen's reserve didn't always sit well with people. some saw it as too far rooted in history and archaic sense of the world. yet it seemed to fit her so well, jake, in many ways, think about this, a young woman who grew up in world war ii, where we got the phrase, keep calm and carey on. that seemed to be her response to almost everything, whether people liked it or not, she kept calm and carried on. >> she didn't invent the stiff
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>> so do i. i keep mine in here. >> oh. >> for later. >> the party is about to start, your majesty. happy jubilee, ma'am. and thank you. for everything. >> that's very kind. >> that light hearted skit starring queen elizabeth ii, as well as our good friend, pattington bear, would be one of the last times the world heard from her royal hiness. the clip aired over the summer, celebrating queen elizabeth's 70 years on the throne. tributes continue to pour in honoring queen elizabeth ii. actress dane helen mirren, who
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portrayed her in 2006 wrote, i am proud to be an elizabethan. we mourn a woman who, with or without the crown, was the epitome of nobility. meren was appointed dane by the between for her services to drama. elton john wrote, she was an inspiring presence to be around and led the country through some of our darkest moments with a genuine, caring warmth. sir john was knighted in 1998 for his charitable work. the rolling stones wrote, the rolling stones extend their deepest sympathy to the royal family on the death of her imagine industry. she was a constant presence in her lives. the lead singer mick jagger writing, for my whole life, queen elizabeth ii has always been there. in my childhood, i watched her wedding highlights on tv.
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i remember her as a beautiful you can lady. by deepest sympathies with the royal family. of course, sir paul mccartney, tweeted, god bless queen elizabeth ii. may she rest in peace. long live the king. let's bring in simon perry now, the chief foreign correspondent for "people" magazine. thank you for joining us. depick chunctions of the queen appeared in film for many years. but it's been recently we've seen the popularity skyrocket, perhaps best xechexemplified bye crown" on netflix. how does this shape people's perception of the monarchy and is it fair? >> good evening, jake. "the crown," you're right, i really sensed -- i've covered the royal family for more than 20 years.
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and i sensed when "the crown" came out, especially the first season, when she was portrayed as a young, beautiful woman, falling in love with prince philip, you know, a dashing sailor and all the rest, it -- i think it took people to a time when it didn't really -- it's so long ago now, they didn't know of that romantic and bluntly quite starry and very sexy couple. i think that took people to a new realm with the queen, it enlightened them that yes, she was just a normal woman of extraordinary position, obviously, but a young woman falling in love like anyone else. and i sensed at that point, i think it was a greater appreciation for her, and i thought a lot more fondness in these last years. >> yeah, i'm a -- i'm a fan of "the crown," i love it.
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but i heard people far more expert than i about the royal family criticize it and say that each successive season gets less and less accurate and more and more made up. i don't know what's real, and like i said, it's a tv show and i enjoy it. but what is your perspective? >> well, i agree there may be scenes, there's obviously dialogue made up. you can't know all those scenes, what was said. but the main thrust is largely true. where the queen is concerned, the story has largely been true. and gets her character most importantly, gets roughly through those 70 odd years that we're talking about now. it gets her character. and it's interesting. your clips with dane helen mirren and mick jagger, these 70
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something showbiz stars have only known one queen. they too are looking back like we are on an extraordinary life. yeah, and the crown covers that. >> there have been many scandals and tragedies throughout queen elizabeth's long-time reign. perhaps most notably princess diana who died 25 years ago last month. she's been the subject of many of these films and documentaries. there's a great new documentary on hbo about her, bringing her story to new generations. prince charles' depiction, you talk about the depick cction of queen elizabeth is accurate. the depick ction of king charlen the throne, less than complimentary. might that impact his reign as
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king and camilla's reign as queen? >> well, that's a good question. i agree that diana's story, which the crown largely reflects, and most books, make it difficult viewing at the very least for prince charles and his supporters. but his friends would say, you know, that's not the full picture, and that i think over the coming months, now as king charles iii, we're going to see a lot more obviously, and people may be coming to him fresh and new and finding out new things and maybe fleshing out the -- their opinions of him. at the moment, obviously, he's grieving his mother and is set to sort of lead this country and
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many parts of the world in remembering his mother. so i think a lot of affection and grief and support is going to transfer towards him in the coming days. >> i think he does have a real opportunity now to write his own legacy with his leadership. simon perry, thank you for your thoughts. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, some of the monumental tributes coming in for queen elizabeth. stay with us.
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lighting up london's pick delly circus, shining town on a place that has been a gathering spot for londoners for sadness and joy for decades. in the united states, new york's empire stadium will light up in purposele with a silver sparkle in order to honor her memory. queen elizabeth ii lived through many difficult times for the world and her nation but for her family. many of the scandals that happened in 1992, three of her children's marriages collapsed, and a fire destroyed hundreds of rooms in windsor castle. prince andrew stepped down from public duties after years of negative coverage of his ties to convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein, including accusations of sexually assaulting a teenage girl.
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the following year, prince harry and his wife, meghan markle, announced their decision to step back as senior members of the royal family and moved to the united states. the queen has lived through many personal family losses. the tragic 1997 car crash that took the life of her daughter-in-law, princess diani, prince charles' first wife, a tnldz mother of her grandsons. in 2002, within six weeks of each other, she lost the queen mother at the age of 101, and her sister, princess margaret. just over a year ago, her husband died at the age of 99. let's bring in a times radio broadcaster. isha, thanks for joining us. there's so much division in the uk right now. it's strange for an american to say that, but we see it, as well. there's the recent resignation from prime minister johnson, high prices for food and fuel, inflation. is there anything in this moment
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that is letting the nation at least momentarily unify, do you think? >> well, i think the queen has united the country in her death as she did in her life. you're absolutely right, britain is a very fractured and very frightened place right now. we've had a lot of political upheaval. we're facing this huge inflation crisis, this economic crisis. we just had a political chris which is the whole brexit issue. what is interesting is seeing leading politicians from across the spectrum, sort of cease the fighting and come together to pay tribute to this extraordinary woman. i think for so many of us, we have lived as elizabethans. and it's only now that she's gone that that is really sinking in. she's been this golden thread of history through turbulent political and military times,
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technological change. she's been this real constant in our society. we've had so much change in terms of political leadership. the united kingdom has had four prime ministers in the last six years. she's been this constant. and i think we will really, really miss her. we're beginning to feel that tonight. but i think it unsettling moment right now for the people of the uk given the fact that you have a brand new -- been on the job for two day, relatively unpopular, relatively untested, relatively unknown prime minister and now the loss of your queen of 70 years, this obviously is an opportunity for both the prime minister and king charles iii, but does it feel unsettling? >> i think it will feel really unsettling to a lot of people. as you say, the circumstances
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are extraordinary to have just over seen this transition of power just 48 hours ago with liz truss coming in as the new prime minister and now the queen passes away. certainly from the conversations i've had with people to date, and i think the mood out on the street as well, there is a lot of anxiety. there's a lot of people obviously mourning her death, celebrating her life, celebrating her service, but also feeling, as you say, that quiet anxiety. we are living through really, really difficult times right now. i was struck by the queen's intervention during the pandemic. again, another moment of real worry, anxiety, frightening times for people, and she came on our television screens. she broadcast to the nation, and she provided stability. she provided leadership. she provided a sense of comfort to people, and i think over the coming days people will really
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be reflecting on that because for so many of us we have just always lived -- >> there's also going to be some changes that maybe folks outside the u.k. realize you're going to have new stamps. can't sing "god save the queen" anymore. you'll have new face on your currency. what's going to be the toughest change you'll have to adapt to? >> i think it's just going to be interesting getting used to having king charles iii because we or so used to seeing the queen. she's such a staple in our lives. the council will become king's council now. it will be a mind shift for us
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all. when we open parliament, we'll have the king's speech. that's going to be changes we have to get used to aisha hazarika, thank you. our condolences to you all for this loss. queen elizabeth was thrust into a position, whether or not to televise her coronation, to stick with tradition, to catapult the monarchy into the future. >> preparations got under way for the coronation. the ceremony where elizabeth would be officially crowned and anointed queen. one question loomed large over the plans. would the coronation be broadcast on television? >> when it was suggested to the queen, she was very much against it. she thought that cameras would be intrusive, that they would somehow violate the thousand
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year tradition of the coronation. >> whilst the queen was a traditionalist, she was also open to modernization. in the end, it was her husband who convinced her to allow cameras into the ceremony. >> one of the great things about the queen was that she always had an open mind. if someone came to her with an argument that was very well buttressed, she would listen. if it was a persuasive argument, she would change her mind, and that's what she did with the coronation. >> reporter: the day of the coronation, millions of people across the globe watched the sacred ceremony. >> that was the moment when the whole of the nation, the whole of the commonwealth, arguably the whole world recognized her as queen. >> is our majesty willing to
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take the oath? >> i'm willing. >> it was a very solemn ceremony, and it was so meaningful to elizabeth. she took her vows so seriously. >> vows to god. she's made this lifelong commitment. it all goes back to that moment, doesn't it? >> i'm absolutely certain the reason she never abdicated is because she made that commitment to god in that solemn ceremony of her coronation. >> tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern, you can see the cnn special report, "a queen for the ages, elizabeth ii" only on cnn. what we're learning about plans to honor the queen, that's next. ♪ god save the king ♪
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to our viewers in the united states and around the world, welcome to "the situation room." we have breaking news -- mourners are crowding outside buckingham palace tonight, the british people paying their respects and sharing in the loss of their queen elizabeth ii. britain's longest serving monarch dead at the age of 96 after 70 extraordinary years on the throne. she died peacefully at balmoral castle in scotland where her closest relatives are gathered right now, including the new king, charles iii. he's calling this a moment of the greatest sadness for him and for all members of the royal family. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room" with cnn's special live coverage of the