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law. it wasn't until 1994, though, that he became a household name. his investigation into the clintons' whitewater real estate deal eventually uncovered clinton's relationship with monica lewinsky. most recently, starr was one of trump's impeachment lawyers in 2020. ken starr was 76 years old. thank you so much for joining us. ac 360 begins now. it is early morning morning in london outside buckingham palace where the casket bearing queen elizabeth ii reposes. it's i rival was in keeping with so much what we have seen the last several days, enormous crowds braving the streets, intermingling applause and tears, moments of happiness with quiets. as the hearse designed by the queen herself and lit from within approached the crowd at the palace, the crowds began to
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cheer. then as they drew closer, that heavy silence fell once again. a moment later, when the hearse was inside, the applause resumed one final time as what were for 70 years the queen's guard and the queen's staff there to receive her and to mourn. tomorrow the quiet returns as a silent procession accompanies the coffin to westminster hall in the house of parliament, where the late monarch will lie in state. already as you can see, people have begun camping out in the rain along the route. public viewing begins at 5:00 p.m. local time and will continue around the clock until early monday morning. a short time ago, the government laid out the path that people will take to the viewing site. it will stretch clear acrokcrose
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thames and down the southbank which speaks to the expected outpouring. trains will run throughout the night bringing in mourners across great britain. the clean and consort are across the corner from us right now, having spent the early part of the day in northern ireland, visiting hillsboro castle, which is the royal residence in northern ireland and receiving a message of condolence from the northern ireland assembly. i'm here with filmmaker john bridget, creator of the documentaries "elizabeth at 90", son and heir, charles at 70, among many other films. this clip that we're about to show you right now is from "elizabeth at 90." it's then prince charles recalling a moment in 1981 when his mother was riding horseback and a teenager fired several blanks, spooking her horse. >> receiving a reassuring pat from the majesty, the queen. but he is a very experienced,
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wise. >> and she is a marvelous rider. you know, she's got a marvelous way with horses. made of strong stuff, you know. >> john, someone who has spent so much time documenting the royal family and also working with them, what do you make of what you have seen in terms of the outpouring of people here and also this time that we are in this transition? >> well, it's a very strange period, something that none of us has really experienced before. this idea that you're looking back at this long reign of 70 years with great -- in many cases, great emotion, and also looking forward and welcoming the new king. and it's something about our system, for better or worse, that you switch from one to the other without a moment's pause. when the death of the queen was announced by buckingham palace,
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they said "the queen died peacefully in balmoral this afternoon. the king is traveling to london tomorrow." when i heard that, i thought wow, there is no sort of pause. >> yeah. it's actually something that -- obviously we haven't seen for 70 years, which is we have seen the queen mother died. obviously prince philip. there had been other death, but none that involved a transition immediately. >> that's true. and that's the problem, because most of us in this country have never known any other head of state. most of the people in this country were born after she became head of state. so her existence is a, quote, unquote normal thing, and she is not here anymore is actually going to be quite destabilizing, and it already is. i mean, the crowds that we see now, anderson are, the royalist crowds, mostly people who were always there for the royal family and who would be there for this extra occasion. but the country is not settled.
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and i think in some ways, that's not talked enough about. and also, younger generations are not settled either. so this is not going to be an easy thing for charles to navigate. >> i want to play another clip from your documentary "elizabeth at 90." i believe this is the queen sitting with prince charles, looking at old home movies of the queen as she was little girl. let's take a look. >> i was very busy. >> yeah. >> hopefully. some of it doesn't get back in again. >> where is this again? >> i think that is london. >> it must be, wasn't it? ! >> extremely painful. and then do it again. >> do you have that program somewhere still? >> i have never seen it again.
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>> she was really born into a completely other world. to think that -- the world that she was born into, that even when she became queen, it was a completely other world. there was an empire of -- there was a great britain with an empire that stretched around the world. >> yes. that's -- so that's 90 something years ago. she saw an extraordinary transformation. and i suppose picking up what bonnie said, that's -- she sort of concealed a lot of the changes that were happening by being this stable figure. and we know, i think that was her great achievement in a way. but it possibly leaves things that are not so stable underneath. i mean i think having said that, i think king charles has made a great start. because i think we're going to see this reign as being very difficult from the queen's.
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it's going to be the same in the sense that the tradition will continue, and he will build, as he says, on her foundations. but i think he is a very different character. >> yes. >> the queen actually said when he had his 70th birthday party, she made -- this is a private party. and she made a whole speech. and she talked about him as his own man. and i think that was really interesting, that she acknowledged that. because i think the thing about him is he is a much more emotional man, emotional figure. he has -- it's going to be a more personal reign, i think. and we've already seen the way that he got out of the car and the gates of buckingham palace on the first day. >> and he felt confident about doing it. >> very confident. >> he wasn't nervous about it. confident about it. >> and that's going to be a big change, because the queen never was easy with crowds in that way. >> but she is from another generation. and he's from -- he is able to
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do that. i was just thinking just while you were talking, the queen was born on the other side of the park. >> that's right. >> and she is being rest odd tonight other side of the park. >> i never introduce you'd to everybody. >> i know! i know we know each other. >> i assumed everyone was friends with you. bonnie greer is an author and play playwright, and she and i were part of a team that covered the wedding. >> we know each other. i love that you did that, though. . >> and i apologize. >> i thought that was very good, actually. as if we've been talking all afternoon. >> exactly. i feel like i've been having a conversation with you for a long time. >> it was great. >> what do you think of charles' ability to kind of bridge this divide? as you said, we're seeing a lot of fans out here. but these were fans who would come out for the royal family at other times as well. >> well, i've met him a couple of times, and i was ambassador for the prince's trust, his charity that he started when he
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was -- certainly being prince of wales. charles has always been transparent. now i don't know anything about what people say about him, that he is very sort of pompous or whatever. maybe he is. but he didn't hide anything. he can't. he's not got that kind of face. and when he did that announcement and we talked about his mother, this guy was crying. i mean, there is no way that you would sit there and think oh, this is some kind of cold person. this guy was crying. and he always says, he refers to camilla as his dear wife, his darling wife. he doesn't hide any of that stuff. now, whether that is going to be able to make him the king for this country going forward, we will see. because the other part of this i think people have argued with me, but the other part of this is obviously going to be his partnership with his eldest son. william is going to be with him very closely. and he said in his speech, i've made him the prince of wales. and he said that to the world
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basically, this man is going to work with me. and he is aware of the fact, i think, that he knows, no way he is going to have the reign his mother had. it's not possible. so he is telling the world and he is telling the country i know that i've got a few years, and i'm going to do this. >> the interesting thing was when he was talking about prince william as prince of wales, he said he is going to bring people on the margins into the center ground where they can be helped. >> yes. >> and i thought that was really interesting. because he is not bog to be political in the way that he perhaps has been in the past. >> you can't be. >> he can't be. but he is looking to william to carry on the work. >> well, it's a big job for william. i know people who play football with him. he just rides his motor bike up. he is like that. but now what's going to happen as prince of wales, and not only that, go back to where the country is a very interesting place, the title "prince of wales" is a war trophy. and the welsh are now saying wait a minute, wait a minute, you need to ask us about being
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prince of wales. so this is the new thing that's coming up that she didn't have to contend with. >> you took the king, king charles and prince william and prince of wales working together. from what i understand, over the last year or so, as andrew has been taken out of the picture, harry is no longer obviously here, part of the family in the same way, that now king charles and prince william have already been work. >> absolutely. >> closely together, more and more. >> totally. >> taking over duties that the queen no longer -- >> it's become a much closer relationship. >> they've slimmed down sort of the extra royals. >> i'm glad you said that, because that family is going to be slimmed down. i think if anything, i think any way charles' mark will be that he is going to make this royal family smaller. and we saw that sort of last year when the people who came out on the balcony were the people who were working. not everybody. the people who were working. so that's going to be the
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change. and that's going to be a very big change as well. >> it's going to be interesting to see how well the country copes with that. >> well, exactly. >> they all want to have royal patrons in charge of their charities and so on. and with fewer royals, they're not going to be able to. >> wasn't it interesting when charles said up-front, almost like saying goodbye. i can't do this anymore. i can't do these charities anymore. that and that was it. >> it's going to be very interesting. >> thank you both so much. really pass night. i'm so glad to be with you both. thank you. >> thank you very much, anderson. just ahead from london tonight, more on the royal family's next generation, which we've touched on a bit already, how william the new prince of wales is following in his father's footsteps on his own. next we want to take you to ukraine and our first look at one of many towns and cities liberated from russian occupation in just the last several days, and cnn is there. [ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ]
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elizabeth on monday. but there are new developments else in the world to bring you. throughout russia's invasion of ukraine, as only they can, cnn correspondents have been first on the scene of virtually every key moment and in every significant location. frequently it shows scenes of sadness and unspeakable loss. tonight as ukraine's counteroffensive rolls forward, it's being first to enter a newly liberated strategic city. reporting is sam kiley. >> reporter: it's been a stunning advance. ukraine's rout has recaptured 6,000 square kilometers ukraine's president says. this land was held by russia just a few days ago. now it's providing a rich harvest to ukraine's army of abandoned russian equipment. the russian z symbol painted over. the guns ready to kill russians. the recapture of izyum, a strategic prize, accelerated by precision strikes from new artillery donated by western
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allies. this was clearly hit with a large piece of artillery or air strike. you can see how it was strategically formerly a school as a kind of children's painting on the wall. but it's also got these large holes, which have been dug to store tanks or armor personnel carrier, even artillery pieces. there is one, two, three, four, five. we were shown into a command center in the bunkers of an old factory. so down here we've seen a medical facility, call it something like that, inside this bunker. there is a bayshs. >> russian soldiers. >> sleeping here. >> yeah. >> the top brass here slept in o beds made of old doors. it's absolutely extraordinary. there are the different labels for different roles of the senior russian officers on these school desks that have been arranged in this bunker in an old what looks like a brick
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factory. now they were safe down here underground, but they didn't feel safe enough to stay in izyum. and what's critical ultimately for the ukraine and armed forces is making sure that the senior officers of the russian army stay on the run. if they do that, the russian armed forces will collect completely in ukraine and potentially threaten the longevity of one vladimir putin. this couple celebrated liberation. they told me that some of their neighbors were less delighted and had blamed ukrainian forces for shelling their homes. but he insisted the incoming shells never hit the checkpoints or russian artillery based right outside his house and so blamed the russians for false flag attacks on civilians. he said the russians behaved like pigs. they stole everything from all the empty houses before they ran away. the russian guns were busy here. their wooden ammunition boxes now stockpiled for winter fuel.
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and to the ukrainian victor here is, the spoils have been rich. the capture of izyum and the rout of russia here has broken a key link in putin's logistics chain in the battle for the east. now you a remarkable scene of a tank coming to collect an abandoned russian howitzer. i asked him if it had been a hard fight. "not really," he said. the latest ukrainian successes may not be the beginning of the end of this war, but not even the kremlin can deny that this chapter has been a very sorry tale for russia. >> sam joins us now. how were the people you spoke with treated by the russian forces, the occupying army? >> it's very, very -- very mixed indeed, anderson. that couple you saw there in the piece said that they were
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unruly, unpleasant, and difficult and dirty and thieving. for others in balakliya, for example, they described how people were routinely abducted, beaten up, arrested, harassed, all of them spoke of how the russians had looted wholesale areas of the towns and villages that they were operating in. and, of course, we know that the russians were already trying to impose russian culture on people, even importing teacher, for example have been moved in to a number of these towns and cities to start teaching young school children such as were remaining there russian curriculum. efforts being made to bring in the ruble, even change the names of shops and other things to russian chains. so there was a russifcation that really sat very unpleasantly with ukrainians. >> it's incredible the advances
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ukrainian forces have made. it's incredible you were able to get there. retired army general mark hertling has been predicting ukrainian success for quite tomb seem. he joins us now. how is it the ukrainians have done what they have just done in the last several weeks? >> you know, anderson, what i'd say -- first of all, sam's reporting is excellent to get those kind of stories inside the bunkers and talking to the people of the towns that have been liberated. and by the way, the ukrainian intelligence directorate indicate that about 300 or more towns have been liberated already, like izyum that sam was in. but from a perspective of ukrainian army, it was just a brilliant advance, and it was the result of solid maneuver planning, really good deception, technologically advanced weapons, as sam just mentioned, the use of intelligence to guide the attack, leadership and morale, all things that the russian force does not have. and while the west -- a lot of
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people are saying western officials were surprised by the speed of advance. i was one of those. i knew the advance was coming, but i didn't know it was going to go that quickly. i'd suggest the ukrainian army may have also been stunned by what happened. >> i mean, the ukrainians obviously gaining a lot of weapons and ammunition as they retake this roughly 2300 square miles of territory. do those weapons make a significant impact on this war? or are those russian weapons not even as advanced as the weapons the u.s. has been giving them and the european allies as well? >> yeah, it's funny you should mention that, anderson, because i just talked to an individual in ukraine today. and this is coming from ukrainian intel now, but ukraine has reported that they have received or they've captured 39 t-80 tanks and 35 vmps from the fourth tank division of the russian army. they've also from the second
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motorized rifle division captured 47 tanks and 27 pmvs. that's more than a brigade worth of u.s. tanks. that's just incredible. if those tanks are workable, and some of them are higher end like the t-80, certainly ukraine will be able to use those. and of all the donor nations that have been providing weapons to ukraine, it seems like russia over the last couple days provided more than a lot of european allies. >> is part of also the disadvantage here obviously for russian forces just the stretched out supply lines, that for russia to maintain its forces on the ground in ukraine, it's much more difficult obviously than ukrainian forces? >> it's a couple of things. yes, it's stretched supply line, which as russia heads back toward russia, or the lines reduce. that will have actually shorter supply route lines, which may be of help. but truthfully, anderson, as we've been seeing from the beginning of the war, the leadership and the morale of the
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russian soldiers, leadership at the lower level, the mid level, the general officer level is absolutely horrible. we've talked on numerous occasions about the dysfunctional supply lines. and remember, those holes that sam were just showing you, those trenches and dugouts, the russian soldiers have been living in those for the last seven months almost, in all sorts of weather, without a break. and when losing their cam rads. when you're talking about the 50 to 60,000 dead russian soldiers that are a result of this campaign, and many more are wounded, you're talking about small units losing a good percentage of their comrades. and that only lowers morale further. you can certainly understand without supplies, without leadership, seeing your buddies die, why the russian soldiers are picking up and running away as fast as they can. but having said all that, anderson, there is still a lot of fighting to go. there is still more work to be done by ukraine. >> yeah. it is certainly not over.
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general mark hertling as always, thank you. just ahead, the death of a central figure in the impeachment of bill clinton. take a look at the life and legacy of ken starr. also, new details from that heavily blacked out affidavit the fbi used to secure a search warrant at the former president's mar-a-lago residence in florida. we'll have that ahead. hello grandma... grandpa. i want to give you a hug. you see that? that's when i realized we can't let another year go by. i think we're good. okay. let's go. mom, do you know where some wrapping paper... need to wrap something for grandma.
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tonight, we're also following new detail in the federal investigation of the former president. a federal judge in florida today unsealed more information from that heavily redacted affidavit that investigators used to secure a search warrant of his residence in florida. included in the new information were fresh details about classified information recovered from mar-a-lago. cnn's sara murray has the latest for us. so what are the new details in this less redacted version of the affidavit? >> well, anderson, you know this is still pretty heavily recontacted the. what we're seeing is a slightly less redacted version that is giving us a little bit more detail, for instance, on some of the classification markings that were on the kinds of documents the trump team previously handed over to prosecutors. you know, they point to highly sensitive government programs. we're learning a little bit more about that. we're also learning, you remember, there was a subpoena for this surveillance video of mar-a-lago. so this gives a few more details about how the surveillance video covered a six-month span. it had to do with this basement hallway in mar-a-lago. that's what prosecutors are really focused in on.
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and that surveillance tape was handed over the them as part of their investigation, anderson. . there are also some new developments tonight in the house select committee and the justice department investigation looking into january 6th. >> that's right. when we look at the justice department investigation, of course we've covered dozens of subpoenas going out to members of trump's orbit. we've been looking through those with our team there, talking to more people who are involved with this. it really shows you that the justice department is trying to dig into every element of the former president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. so that means digging into the setup of that january 6th rally the former president spoke at, the funding for that rally, the fake electors plot, and even the efforts at people around the former president were making to push these false election fraud claims in court. now when it comes to the january 6th investigation on capitol hill, they were back today. they met in person. you know one of the big things they're still weighing is whether they want to call the former president and former vice president mike pence to establish this official record that they've asked them to
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testify. we also heard from chairman bennie thompson today. he said they've been getting a lot of new information just in the past week in relation to the secret service and those deleted text messages. so it's possible we could learn more about that going forward. or potentially in a future hear, we've all been waiting to see when the committee will set a date for another potential hearing. and thompson made clear that they are looking at that last week in september. but as always when it comes to this committee, things are still in flux. nothing is set in stone, anderson. >> sara murray, appreciate it. thank you. i want to get some perspective now from cnn legal analyst elie honig, former u.s. assistant attorney. how significant are the details from the less redacted search affidavit? >> well, anderson, i see two big takeaways here. first of all, it's a reminder of just how sensitive the documents were that were recovered at mar-a-lago. now we learned that the documents that the trump team turned over when they got a subpoena back in june were the highest level of sensitivity. it had to do with our spies, it
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had to do with our foreign intelligence intercepts. these are life and death documents. the other thing that really jumps out to me from the newly revealed information is just how much doj is focused on obstruction, obstruction of justice. were they misled? were documents intentionally misplaced or destroyed? as sara said, we know they requested surveillance going all the way back to january. in the affidavit, doj established probable cause, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause that one of the crimes was obstruction of justice. >> and simeparately, the subpoes from the doj january 6th investigation, it covers a lot of different avenues of inquiry. at least some of them relate to the save america political action committee, which is the former president's main political fundraising arm. what does that tell you about where investigators may be headed? >> anderson, doj is really blanketing trump world with subpoenas now. it's almost hard to think of any aspect of donald trump's
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administration, campaign, or fundraising that's not been hit with a subpoena. we already knew that doj was looking at donald trump's activities relating to his effort to steal the election up to january 6th. but this is new. now they're looking at the fundraising apparatus. and when you dig into financial activities like that, anderson, you could find we have no idea, but you could find fraud entirely unrelated to the january 6th attack itself. so whenever prosecutors dig, in it's got to be a cause for concern. but financial records can really be revealing in a situation like this. >> but the doj investigation, it's built from rioters that were on the ground at the capitol, moving up into some of the rally organizers and state official ace lined with the former president, now all the way to someone like dan scavino, who is the former president's deputy chief of staff. how significant is it that trump's inner circle seems to now be targeted? >> yeah, there is no question, anderson, doj's focus has gone from the day of january 6th inside the capitol, up pennsylvania avenue to the white house and really the months and
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weeks leading up to the attack. and really, all the efforts to potentially steal the election and obstruct congress. there was some question really for the first year or so of the investigation is doj even looking at the real power source, the dan scavinos, the people who surrounded donald trump and donald trump himself? we really saw no evidence of that. but the last three or four months we're seeing overwhelming evidence. there is no question now doj is absolutely investigating donald trump and his inner circle. will they charge is another question? we're not going to get an answer before midterms, but they certainly are going to have all the information they need, and merrick garland is going to have a very difficult and consequential decision to make. >> also, the office of the january 6th committee, more hearings later this month. i know you said the committee and should make the offer for both the former president and former vice president to testify. the odds of that actually happening, what do you think they are? >> oh, there is almost no chance we hear from donald trump or mike pence.
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but if you think about it tactically, anderson, i think the committee has to make the invitation, the offer to trump and pence to testify. because if they don't make that offer, we know what donald trump will say. he'll say this is so unfair. they didn't even give me a chance to tell my story. if they do make the offer and trump and/or pence decline, then it gives the committee the rhetorical point to say hey, look, we invited them in here. we wanted to hear from them. they're no-shows. therefore you can draw whatever conclusions you may. i think as a tactical strategic matter, they can and should make that invitation. >> elie honig, i appreciate it. thanks. a short time ago we just learned that ken starr has died, according to a statement from his family. starr of course you may remember is the most famous as the independent counsel who pursued president bill clinton in the 1990s. the investigation expanded eventually led to clinton being impeached on two charges of lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. clinton was later acquitted by the senate. more recently, starr was a member of the former president's defense team during the first impeachment.
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his family says starr died due to complications from surgery. he was 76 years old. just ahead, we'll return to our coverage of the royal succession with a look at the new prince and princess of wales, william and his wife kate. now the heir apparent is following his father's footsteps as he prepares for the day he may accede to the throne. with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and less joint pain is possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. with skyrizi, there's nothing like the feeling of improving my skin and joints...
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as we watch britain's new sovereign today visiting the politically tense area of northern ireland, charles' first visit there as king, it is worth noting that he spent decades readying for this new role as heir apparent. the task now falls to the new prince of wales, william, and the new princess of wales, kate. now william is following in his father's footsteps. >> reporter: it used to be all high jinks and banter between harry and william. >> pretty rich coming from a ginger. >> reporter: even after william married, there was plenty of fun to be had in front of the cameras. over the years, william gradually rebranded from a tireless young royal, mixing with celebrities at trendy parties to a more formal suit and booted figure, more fit for the throne. according to sources, it was a deliberate transformation as he moved steadily towards the top job, as it's known.
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once dubbed the work shy prince, sources say william wasn't in a rush to take on full-time public duties whilst he was settling down. first marrying his soul mate, and then raising a young family. it was all about striking the right balance. but from the moment his grand mother died, he became first in line to the throne, and with that came a more weighty title. >> i am proud to create him prince of wales. the country whose title i've been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty. >> reporter: with that, the new prince and princess of wales have been elevated in position and will now be expected to step up and support the king more. they inherit huge swaths of land through the duchy of cornwall, giving them an independent income for the first time.
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william's father reinvented the role of prince of wales by professionalizing it. it's no longer a ticket to a playboy lifestyle. william and kate will have plans for making it their own. but family will remain the major priority for both of them, with their children starting at a new school just last week. both will be aware that the burden of royal duties are greater than they ever were. not just because the queen has passed, but because these duties were always meant to be shared with harry, who has now given up his royal role. it leaves the monarchy, whether by design or by default, more streamlined than ever. the spotlight now firmly on the new prince and princess of wales, the most high profile in history. >> and max foster joins us now along with our chief international correspondent clarissa ward, who has also been tracking today's events. i understand you have some new details about some of what went on tonight at buckingham palace.
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>> so we know that the coffin was received by the whole family. so all the queen's children and grandchildren, including william and harry and kate and meghan. i've also been told tonight they all had a dinner together. that's quite a unifying moment when you consider all the eruptions, you know, prince andrew, prince harry, meghan, all the eruptions in the family over the last year, and they're all sitting having dinner tonight in the name of the queen. and i think the standard is still up. i can just about see the yellow. the protocol is the king would leave first. the suggestion is that they're all at the palace tonight. what time is it? nearly 2:00. >> so that would be the first time they've all probably had a meal together in some time. >> yeah. all of the movements behind the scenes, but certainly i don't think harry's sat down for dinner with william for sure. and prince andrew has not been allowed to be involved in any official events whatsoever. i think it's a pretty profound moment. i think it just speaks to this idea that they should unify because the country is unifying
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behind the queen. >> clarissa, kate is the first person to hold the title princess of wales since diana. obviously it's a title people associate with princess diana. there's got to be a lot of pressure that comes with that. >> i'm sure there is pressure, and i think the duchess -- i'm sorry, princess is aware of that. we've been told that she intends to create her own path essentially, and really make the role her own. and we've seen her take a strong interest in certain issues. early education, child development, mental health, addiction, sports. now of course she'll be taking on a lot more royal patronage and charities. but i think the sense is that, you know, she is ready for this moment. she has been exemplary, really, in everything that she's done under the public spotlight. and the sort of comparisons that you saw with diana during their original courtship with her and william way back when. i think that moment has really
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subsided. and i think she will be able to step into this role and make it her own. >> with prince harry and meghan giving up their royal roles, does that -- i assume that puts more pressured on william and kate as prince and princess of wales. >> much more than was the plan. there was always a plan to slim it down. it was too bloated, cousins picking up royal duties and taking up public funds and royal residences. that was going to be slimmed down. but the idea was the next generation after charles would be william and harry. in those early days, remember when they set up the royal foundation, they were always doing everything together. and meghan was brought into that. it was meant to be a shared burden. and william doesn't have that anymore. so the pressure on kate and william is much bigger that about they ever expected or has ever been put on any princess of wales in the past. in the past, they did have many more cousins to lean on. going back centuries, not just decades. >> have you been seeing a generational difference in the
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crowds that you've been out with? you were outside the gates as the queen was brought back in. >> yeah, i think tradition dictates that the younger generations are less sort of interested or focused on the monarchy. but i certainly found it interesting standing outside buckingham palace that you really did see all generations out, and a lot of young people. and they've never seen a moment like this. frankly, none of us have, a state funeral on this level, on this scale and this sense of sort of stepping into the moment. britons coming together. so it may well be a sort of inspiring moment when young people do become more engaged. certainly you saw a lot of adults and parents out in the crowd who brought their children along to really impress upon them that this is an extraordinary moment in history that they have the privilege of witnessing, and that it does mean something. one woman telling me we call it great britain, and this is what's great about britain, when
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people come together and they do mark the moment in this profound way. it will be interesting to see how that plays out with the younger generation, how they respond to king charles. >> clarissa ward and max foster, thanks so much. appreciate it. up next, my family and me, details about that ahead. ♪ defying the laws of gravitity ♪ ♪ ( (don't stop me now) 'cause i'm havin' ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's every-other-month, injectable cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete hiv eatment you can ge every other month. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a hlthcare provider every other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling. hiv pills aren't on my mind. a quick change in my plans is no big deal. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions,
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it is a somber night here in london. earlier, queen elizabeth made her final journey to buckingham palace. tomorrow, the royal family will travel with her coffin in silent procession to westminster hall at the houses of parliament. the queen will lie in state there until her funeral on monday. joining me and the rest of the cnn team for special coverage tomorrow morning starting at 8:00 eastern. the news continues. i want to hand over to lauren coates and "cnn tonight." laura? >> anderson, thank you so much. we're looking forward to more of that coverage, as well. this is "cnn tonight." and frankly, everyone, that's a wrap, as they call. it the 2022 primary season is now over as of tonight. the final polls now closed in the final states until their ballots from january's november election. now just eight weeks away. can you believe it? we have new hampshire, rhode island, delaware, the last to hold their primary contests, but even the