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northeast, accusing them of, quote, playing politics with human beings. they white house today the president is expected to personally meet for the first time with the families of brittney griner and paul whelan. the biden administration repeatedly saying securing their release from russian custody is top priority for him. let's begin this hour with our colleague katelyn polantz on the appointment of the special master to review the documents. it is a miracle as many pointed out that they agreed on someone, judge deary. i think the treat contentious issue that will lead to this appeal is what doj can and can't do as the special master goes through the stuff, right? >> right. and there is what this judge is able to do, whether she can or cannot do the things she's already done in this case. so the criminal investigation is paused, that's one thing judge aileen cannon did. the other thing is she has appointed special master judge raymond deary, he is a senior judge, very experienced and well-respected judge out of the federal court in brooklyn. what he's going to do now is
he's going to work with the justice department and with donald trump's legal teams about donald trump's wishes essentially to protect or try to protect some documents that were seized out of mar-a-lago from this criminal investigation. he's going to be making decisions, making recommendations to judge cannon, she will then make the call on that, but one of the things that happens first here is that judge deary will look at all of these records along with the parties and focus first on these about 100 classified records out of all of those boxes seized out of mar-a-lago or rather records that were marked as classified. those are the ones that are going to be prioritized here. the justice department has been very alarmed about those records. they have wanted to make sure that they get access to them first, that they can look at them, that the intelligence community can look at them and one of those things -- those are not exactly -- we don't know how long that will take, but judge cannon whenever she wrote this last night she did cast a little
bit of doubt on the justice department's alarmism here. she wrote, there has been no actual suggestion by the government of any identifiable emergency or imminent disclosure of classified information arising from plaintiffs or trump's allegedly -- or unlawful retention of the seized property. instead and unfortunately the unwarranted disclosures that float in the background have been leaks to the media after the underlying seizure. so she's saying there that the issue might actually not be that any of these things were shared with anyone. maybe there was no harm there in how she is were being treated at mar-a-lago. she's raising that point. now we are waiting this morning to see if the justice department is going to go to an appeals court above judge cannon to ask for emergency help. jim and poppy. >> kaitlan, thanks so much. let's speak to paul cowan. the judge says in effect the justice department hasn't proven that these classified documents were shared with someone else, although we know and we've read
the filings, the concern is the risk, right, of that? i mean, is that a fair legal opinion to say, well, you have to prove that it's been compromised for there to be a legal argument that there was a risk here or that it broke the law in effect? >> i'm not buying the judge's argument at all. you have these 100 documents, classified documents, being stored at mar-a-lago in a storage room that's under where the kitchen and the dining room is upstairs. you have support staff, you know, going down to get plates to take them up to the dining room next to classified documents that are, you know, protected by a single lock. i think there's a real danger that maybe things were disclosed. so i'm surprised that the judge says that. but i also think that this review by judge deary, who, by the way, is an excellent choice, very surprising that trump lawyers went along with this -- >> because of the fisa. >> he is a fisa judge, has been involved in some rulings that
were adverse to trump in prior investigations. >> two of the carter paige -- >> correct. he is an unlikely choice for trump lawyers. i will tell you new york lawyers love judge deary. he is a fair guy, he is a bright guy, he can take fighting parties and get them together and settle cases. tremendous respect and he is a fisa judge, he is on a foreign intelligence security court. perfect choice to do this. he will get it done fast, that's my bet. >> one of the things i thought was interesting reading judge cannon's decision yesterday was that she said that judge deary should look at those classified documents 100 plus of them and then, quote, thereafter consider prompt adjustments to the court's orders necessary. meaning -- i think what she's saying there is go through them as quickly as you can so that doj can have access to them again, right? >> i think it means that and i think she's saying if you find a questionable document that's important, get back to me right away. >> right. >> maybe i will change my ruling. because, remember, he's really only looking at two things, one,
are there attorney/client privileged documents among these classified documents? well, for a document to be protected by the privilege it has to involve a legal issue being discussed by trump and a lawyer. these are classified documents involving national security, there are no legal issues involved with respect to those. the other issue of course is whether executive privilege applies to any of the documents and courts have kind of universally said when you are out of office as president trump is, he doesn't have the right to assert executive privilege. >> so this will likely be appealed by the justice department. >> well, i think they will appeal it because even though they are probably happy with deary and doing the job, that they don't want to set a precedent for the future that would be damaging to u.s. security. so i think they might feel an obligation to appeal it. >> do you mean a precedent on that executive privilege point? because you think all the way back to supreme court, you think back to u.s. versus nixon and that interpretation of executive
privilege is very different than the way that judge cannon is interpreting executive privilege. >> absolutely. you raise a well good point, poppy, because in the nixon case, of course, the tapes were seized and those tapes involved presidential discussions, detailed ones -- >> and to congress not to a former president. >> that's right. and all of that the court said, no, it's got to be revealed because the court has this principle generally if criminal activity is involved, those privileges are all waived because even the attorney/client privilege can be waived by what's called the crime fraud exception to that privilege. >> on the issue of appeal, there is that issue, the point was made that the judge seems to in the language of this decision carve out an exception to the law for the president here. i mean, there is a line in there saying the consideration of this is inherently impacted by the position formerly held by the plaintiff, that is the president. i mean, in terms of precedent here that both provides perhaps an opportunity for appeal but
also shows the broader implications of this case, is that carving out to say, well, former presidents are different? >> it certainly feels like that, and it also feels like this judge has kind of stepped back and is looking at a big picture here, saying, well, a lot of people are upset about this, so maybe we have to be super careful and treat him differently. so that is a legitimate point. he is being treated differently by this judge and maybe that's wrong because the law is supposed to treat everybody the same way. >> equal justice under law. >> that's the idea. >> that's what they say. >> so it says above the supreme court. thank you, paul callan, great to have you. this major headline the battle over immigration is continuing as president biden is accusing some republican governors of playing politics with human beings instead of working on solutions. >> his criticism came the same day that texas governor greg abbott sent two buses of migrants to washington, d.c. where they were dropped off right in front of the vice president's residence. i drove by it yesterday morning.
florida governor ron desantis sent two planes with 50 venezuelan migrants all the way to martha's vineyard. >> we are not a sanctuary state and it's better to be able to go to a sanctuary jurisdiction and, yes, we will help facilitate that transport for you to be able to go to greener pastures. >> cnn's senior national correspondent miguel marquez is in martha's vineyard this morning. you've been speaking, we've seen it, to these migrants, i'm curious what you're hearing. a key question is did they know where they were going? >> reporter: they did not. we spoke to over a dozen immigrants here between myself and our cnn espanol counterparts and none of them knew what they were doing. from what we understand they were all in texas, all from venezuela, they were contacted by several -- a few people that had been talking to them, they were at a refuge or a location there where they were being cared for, a shelter, and then
these individuals said do you need help? do you want a job? we can do this, we can do that. so they signed on. they had little else to do so they said if you guys are going to help out, absolutely. they took them to another location, they were -- they were -- they stayed there for several days a hotel in texas, and then on a couple of days ago planes arrived, they were all taken to an airport, put on these two planes. the planes stopped a couple of times along the way, once in florida, then once in the carolinas. no one got off, no one got on. then they hand landed here in martha's vineyard. some thought they were going to land in boston, others had no idea where they were. they were extremely happy to get here once they landed. there were three options he says washington, utah, here and massachusetts, whatever was available. the plane left and brought us here. when you step on american soil you feel at ease that you're here and well-protected. you lose the stress of the journey we had to go through in seven countries.
very stressful across all of kentrell america. now, the question is what's next. their immediate needs are being met, we are seeing a lot of folks here with suitcases, they are packing up, the officials and lawyers have been meeting with them, officials say they'd like to move them on to the mainland. they have asylum cases, they have friends, family some of them that they want to get to. things are trying to be worked out now, it's difficult. 50 people on martha's vineyard is not an issue, the fact they showed up here with nothing and have no real plan that's the issue they're trying to grapple with now. we expect by the end of today or certainly tomorrow most if not all of them will be on to other places. back to you guys. >> miguel marquez, thank you very much to you and and the whole team. let's talk more about what miguel reported on. joining me is julia, the senior policy analyst at the migration policy institute working on u.s.
immigration policy. thank you for the time this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> so you heard me miguel's reporting, many of them are happy to be there in martha's vineyard, this is just one example of what's been going on in new york city and washington, d.c. and on and on, but they didn't know where they were going and martha's vineyard didn't know they were coming so wasn't prepared so is now scrambling to set up facilities to be helpful and to aid in what they might need. what is your reaction to that? >> right. this has been a problem with the busing from texas and arizona all along is that the places the migrants are going aren't being notified. there is no coordination. they don't know what time of day the buses are coming, they show up in the middle of the night, there is no information about who is coming, how many, what needs they might have. some people are arriving with acute medical needs that need attention right away. so this lack of coordination is really making it difficult for these communities. and then adding to that, martha's vineyard is not a place where migrants often go, there is not a network of social
service providers and immigrant service providers like there are in some of the other cities so that adds extra challenges. >> this is certainly achieving, you know, arguably one of the objectives, which is raising the national attention to it and -- and focusing on what it takes, but my question to you is as someone who works and spends your career working on immigration policy in this country which has failed to beach booipd consensus for so many years i wonder if you believe these action right side in any way helping facilitate any progress on that front. >> right. this isn't the way one should go about to create bipartisan consensus. it is not a way to reach consensus. i think one thing that kind of
has succeeded of this initiative is that now there are, you know, northern blue cities that are also asking the government for more funding and more assistance in dealing with migrants, that's something that border cities have long wanted is more assistance. the border cities are doing the hard work of receiving migrants, helping them get to where they need to go and providing extra support for the people who need it. now there's kind of more voices calling for the fact that there's more funding needed. but ultimately to get out of this situation that we are in, out of the high border arrivals, we really need to reform our immigration laws and that is going to take congress and that is just something that doesn't seem to be in the cards in any kind of near term way. >> you did say something that i wanted to get into a bit, julie, any kind of near term way. >> you did say something that i wanted to get into a bit, julie, and that is you had said the end
result here of this busing may actually be better for some migrants. how so? >> many of the migrants that are being bused to chicago and new york, d.c., they're trying to get to those cities anyway or somewhere near these cities. most migrants who come to the u.s. know someone here already, a family member, a friend, it might be a distant cousin, a neighbor, but they have someone that they ar wla
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joining us jeremy diamond and kylie atwood. jeremy, let's begin with you at the white house. these meetings are notable here. has the white house given any indication as to why they're meeting with them now? is it a sign of hope? >> reporter: yeah, well, listen, that would be the hope is that there could be some kind of progress here announced during these meetings, but the white house says that that is not the case. that people should not hold their breath for any kind of major breakthrough or an announcement today that the biden administration has secured the release of paul whelan or brittany greener. instead what the white house is saying is that this is meant as a gesture on the part of the president to show and to demonstrate to these two families that their case right side front of mind for him. the president i'm told gets updated every single day on the progress and the status of these negotiations during his daily intelligence briefing, but -- and he has spoken on the phone with the families of brittney
griner with cherelle griner, her wife, as well as paul whelan's sister but today will be the first time that he actually mets with them in-person. the white house press secretary saying she hopes that this shows that these case right side front of mind for the president and that this administration is committed to trying to secure their release, but unfortunately no major signs of progress or breakthroughs expected today. >> and, kylie, one of the keys here is what kind of swap might the u.s. agree to. we know what russia wants and that includes a convicted russian arms dealer viktor bout. i mean, what is the sense from russia on any potential progress here? >> listen, a senior administration official described the status of these negotiations right now and saying that there has been movement, but no breakthrough. also saying that u.s. officials have urged russia to put a serious counteroffer on the table, but you will recall that that is similar to what biden administration officials were saying back in july. so even though it appears that
there has been back and forth according to this official at multiple levels by multiple officials through this channel that was set up to discuss this matter, it doesn't seem like the russians have very productively engaged and this administration official explained that what russia has been putting on the table is repeated efforts to try and get the united states to do something that in the words of this official the biden administration is just not capable of delivering on. so that is where things stand now, but i do think it is important to note that this official underscored that these conversations are happening very clearly with the blessing of the top levels of u.s. government, clearly indicating that president biden has signed off of course and with these meetings today the president is making clear that he himself is personally engaged in this. and i do think that this is one of the issues that we will catch closely as we head into the u.n. general assembly next week
because the secretary of state, foreign minister lavrov will both be in new york. they haven't said there are any plans for the two to meet at this time but they will be in the same place at the same time so it's something we will watch closely. poppy? >> remarkable and maybe notable timing. thanks so much, kylie and jeremy, to both of you. still ahead, cnn inside ukraine where forces have pushed back a russian advance and as they did they uncovered a mass grave in a recently liberated city. i will speak to general david pay trees as the u.s. announces another round of security assistance. that's coming right up.
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overnight the white house announced an additional $600 million in security aid to ukraine. these have become regular events, it brings the total amount of u.s. military assistance to more than $15 billion since russia began its invasion more than six months ago. that announcement came as the ukrainian president announced a mass grave was discovered in the eastern city of izium. one of the areas recently liberated from russian invaders. ukrainian authorities say they found 440 graves there, some of them fresh. the bodies buried mostly civilians. joining me now to discuss the state of the war, retired u.s. army general david petraeus, former commander of u.s. central command. good to have you on today.
>> good to be with you. >> so that mass grave is the result of what is positive progress for ukrainian forces taking back territory after a very swift retreat really from russians in the northeast, the second big retreat we've seen since the start of this invasion, including that around the capital kyiv. what does that mean about the state of the war right now? has the momentum fundamentally shifted? >> it has fundamentally shifted. i'm fairly guarded and cautious about this, but the tide clearly has turned because the success of this offensive, as important as it is itself on the ground, what really is important is that it reflects a hugely important development, a new reality, that ukraine has been incomparable blee better than russia in recreating, training, equipping, organizing and employing additional forces. while russia has been struggling to do just that, literally running out of soldiers, ammunition, tanks, fighting vehicles and so forth.
the ukraines supported superbly by the u.s. and nato, whereas russia each if it declared mobilization today could not reverse this fundamental reeel. so the implications are stark. they're very clear. ukraine will over time and, yes, tough fighting, more casualties, more punishing russian strikes on civilian infrastructure but ukraine will over time, i think, retake the territory that russia has seized since 24 february and it's even conceivable now that they could retake crimea and the donbas and, oh, by the way, with what's going on on the front lines there is unsurgege ent activity picking up in the russian rear areas carried out by ukrainians there as well. this is going to take time, there will be tough fighting, all of that, but this is a disastrous situation for russia now. i'm not sure that everyone recognizes just how -- worse than afghanistan. remember they left afghanistan, the government they left behind
stayed in power for two years. this is going to be a terrible, painful retreat for them. and, again, you know, the outcome just is i don't think in doubt anymore. ukraine will prevail unless there's some unforeseen development and as long as we continue to provide the weapons and of course you noted the latest announcement about that, i'm confident we will continue to do everything that they need to help them build on the momentum that they have now achieved and carry this all the way through to victory, frankly. >> so let me ask you your read of putin's next move here because, for instance, beyond the losing the ground that russian forces had gained since the invasion, you are talking about losing ground which russia has held for eight years in crimea and which, by the way, the kremlin views as strategically essential, right? i mean, that is their warm water port in crimea and so on. do you then fear that putin takes a step beyond where he's
gone now, whether it's full mobilization or even use of weapons of mass destruction? >> well, again, full mobilization is too late and beyond that they've stripped their base, they don't have the replacement vehicles, the export sanctions on micro chips to russia have crushed their industrial base and so forth. that's too late. the consideration of tactical nuclear weapons, yes, you could have a tactically very disastrous situation but it doesn't change the fundamental realities which are that russia just cannot generate the forces, much less employ them cape plea and competently. their morale is rock bottom, they are not even sure what they're fighting for other than a paycheck or perhaps to stay out of jail. the morale on the ukrainian sky is sky high, they're winning. so the question at first is can the russians find new defensive lines or do they have to fall all the way back in the east, for example, to the original
lines of the donbas, where there are very considerable almost world war i-like defenses and then how do they hang on in these other locations. yes, they will find places where their urban settings that they can use effectively and fight hard, again, there will be tough fighting, tough casualties, a lot more damage, but russia is in, again, a truly disastrous situation at this point in time. and crossing the nuclear threshold would be so profound and the benefit of that would not be as profound. so i think, again, he's in a very difficult position. he's going to try to change the narrative, blame others and all the rest of this and find some way to explain why the special operation has failed. >> so let me ask you, you mentioned the comparison to the afghanistan war, russia's experience in afghanistan in the '80s. it took russia nearly a decade to lose as many troops as its lost in the span of months, frankly more in ukraine now.
afghanistan helped lead to the fall of soviet union. i wonder in your view is president putin's leadership now in jeopardy given all he's invested in this invasion? >> well, he still clearly has a very, very solid grip on power in russia, but this does obviously call that into question somewhat and somewhere there are going to be individuals who are going to be raising serious questions. there have been officials, of course, from st. petersburg that suggested he should resign, they ended up in jail, but then there were others from st. petersburg and moscow. so, again, he is in a precarious situation, i think, although it's so difficult to predict when someone who has been an autocrat obviously what is that moment that pushes them off the throne? of course, he is a klepto dem crat and everyone is empowered by him. what he has done to his country, he set out to make russia great
again, he has really made nato great again. by the way, this changes the dynamic, i think, with respect to european and u.s. reluctance to say that ukraine should be able to join nato. given what russia has done, there has to be a security -- at the end of this. the only credible guarantee is nato membership and we can then say, look, you brought this on yourself. we were very sensitive to your feelings before, we did not want to needlessly provoke you. you have needlessly and unprovoked invasion of your neighbor and this is the price that you're going to pay as a result of that. >> goodness. well, we have already seen nato expand with finland and sweden. is that the next step? general david petraeus, fascinating assessment. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks. >> a fascinating interview. still ahead for us, the justice department seizes the cellphone of one of the most vocal election deniers in the country, that is my pillow ceo mike lindell, the new details
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did say they are looking for information in his phone about at least seven people connected to the breach of a voting system in mesa county, colorado. >> one of the many investigations going on. that county's clerk tina peters has been indicted on ten counts related to tampering with voting machines, she has pleaded not guilty. as these election investigations plural, play out on several fronts jake tapper is examining how the threats to democracy continue today. here is a preview of his special report which will air this sunday night. >> reporter: a lot of the people we've interviewed have expressed concerns not just about what happened but what will happen. in fact, we see a whole bunch of election liars running for office. are you worried? >>. >> i'm very worried. the responsibility that we all have to make sure that we defend our republic and that they defend our institutions has to be above politics. there are people running so that they are in a position that they will be able to certify the
results only for donald trump. that's obviously fundamentally a threat to the survival of the republic and i think those people have all got to be defeated. >> reporter: you have been shouting from the rooftops this is not just about 2020, you're worried about 2024, you're worried about future elections. >> i am. and right now the former president, his allies and supporters, including in congress, and including in the states, represent a clear and present danger to american democracy. that's not because of what they did on january 6th, it's because of what they pledged to do in 2024. >> do you think that republicans are hearing what you're saying? >> i hope they are. there's no evidence that they've heard anything to date. >> joining us now is jake tapper, anchor of "the lead" and cnn chief washington correspondent. jake, when you look at that and i'm so glad you got all those
voices in there, the analysis by cnn recently found that at least 19 republican nominees in this year's election have contested or refused to affirm the results of the 2020 election, including five incumbent senators, 11 other candidates who have at least a reasonable chance of winning in november. this comes at such a critical time for the upcoming election. i wonder if the people you spoke with talk about what they thought would break through people who still believe those lies. >> i mean, just to underline the point, the two voices you just heard from, congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming and former federal judge michael luttig, these are two of the most conservative republican voices out there. they just also happen to be pro-democracy. what is sad is that those voices are few and far between in today's republican party, and
there are so many republicans out there, so many republican officials, who know better, maybe are even watching me right now, they know better. they know that it is important that we have elections in this country where the will of the voters is respected, and yet we see them supporting and giving money to people like the gubernatorial nominee in arizona, ckari lake who says if she had been governor during the 2020 election she would not have certified the vote for joe biden. why? well, she says she has evidence of fraud. where is the evidence? she doesn't present it. because there is none. this is a threat to american democracy and you have people like cheney and kinzinger and luttig and others shouting as loud as they can, sacrificing their careers for this message, and the only thing we can do is hope that some republicans join
the cheneys and the kinzingers and the luttigs in bravely accepting and acknowledging what's going on, that the maga movement right now under donald trump is a threat to democracy. >> it's a good point you make because critical has become a synonym for partisan, critical of one side. you make the wise point there that these are republicans who are standing up against what is a lie. i do want to ask you because this committee, the doj, they're processing an enormous amount of information, people watching right now and who will watch on sunday night are probably like me and you, sometimes overwhelmed by it. tell us what stood out to you when you went through all of that for this cnn special report. >> well, what we try to do is take all of the evidence that the committee has unearthed and the testimony and distill it so people with understand and see it in a coherent, relatively short presentation. so you don't have to watch, you know, 50 hours of committee hearings and testimony.
and what stands out is the degree to which this was a very complicated, comprehensive conspiracy to undermine the election. it wasn't just one guy behaving erratically and trying this and then trying that. no. there was a plan, and if this didn't work then they had this lined up and ready to go and if that didn't work they had this lined up an ready to go all the way to the point of the violence that we saw on january 6 which was the last gasp of donald trump in the 2020 election to undermine the democracy and undermine the will of the american people. so it really was quite a scheme and it does not surprise me that the justice department is bringing criminal charges and will likely bring more because it was much more comprehensive and much more planned than even those of us who were covering it in realtime like the three of us knew at the time. >> jake, thank you. to you, your entire team, for
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it is the top of the hour. good morning, i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. right now we are watching these live pictures, they are migrants being loaded on buses. this is in martha's vineyard. and where they are going, we're told by massachusetts officials they'll be taken by bus and then by ferry to joint base cape cod where they will have food and shelter. they are there in the first place because florida governor ron desantis flew them there without advanced notice saying every community in america should be sharing in the burdens, end quote, of immigration. >> those people in d.c. and new york were beating their chest when trump was president saying they were so proud to be sanctuary jurisdictions, saying how bad it was to have a secure border. minute even a small fraction of what those border
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