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playbook. as with crimea, it is imperative that every member of this council and for that matter every member of the united nations reject the sham referendum and unequivocally deck clair that all ukraine territory is and will remain part of ukraine and no russian claim to annex territory could take away ukraine's right to defend its own land. putin's invasion is also distracting this council. in fact, the entire u.n. system from working on the serious issues that we all want to focus on. like preventing a climate c catastrophe, aiding tens of millions of people on the brink of famine. fulfilling the 2030 agenda for sustainable development and shoring up our health secured and that make a difference in the lives of the citizens that we're here to represent and that they are looking to us, looking to us to deliver on.
the welcoming majority of u.n. member states are committed to working together on these issues and our actions show that. yet, while more than 100 countries have signed on to a road map to provide food aid to those who need it, and partners across, africa, asia and the europe are working together for the global food systems and russia for months blocked the export of ukraine grain to the world. and russia continues to bomb and seize ukraine farms and silos and lead its wheat fields with land mines and raising cost of food for people everywhere. and while governments around the world are teaming up with international organizations, with the private sector, with philanthropies to end this pandemic and make sure that we're better prepared for the next one, russia is spreading misinformation and disinformation about w.h.o. approved vaccines and fuelling vaccine hesitancy to puts people
in all of our countries at greater risk. here is the reality. none of us chose this war. not the ukrainians who knew the crushing toll it would take. not the united states, which warned that it was coming and-t worked to prevent it. not the vast majority of countries at the united nations, and neither did our people or the people of virtually every u.n. member state, who are feeling the war's consequences and greater foodin secure and higher energy prices. nor did the russian mothers and fathers whose children are being sent off to fight and die in this war. or the russian citizens who continue to risk their freedom to protest against it. incl including those who came out into the streets of moscow to chant let our children live.
indeed, it must be asked, how has this aggression against ukraine by president putin improve the lives or prospects of a single russian citizen. one man chose this war. one man can end it. because if russia stops fighting, the war ends. if ukraine stops fighting, ukraine ends. that is why we will continue to support ukraine as it defends itself and strengthen its hand to achieve a diplomatic solution on just terms at a negotiating table. as president zelenskyy has said, diplomacy is the ome way to end this war. but diplomacy cannot and must be not used as a cudgel that cuts again the u.n. charter or rewarded russia for violating it. president putin is making his choice. now it is up to all of our
countries to make ours. to tell president putin to stop the horror that he started. tell him to stop putting his interests above the interests of the rest of the world. including his own people. tell them to stop debasing this council and everything it stands for. we, the people of united nations, determined that is how the preamble of the u.n. charter starts. we the people still get to choose the fate of this institution and our world. the stakes are clear. the choices is ours. let's make the right choice for the world that we want and that our people so desperately deserve. thank you. >> hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining us sat ths
hour. and we've just listened to the meeting about the russia's brute seven month long war on ukraine. as you heard the harsh words that the secretary of state had for russia. this meeting comes also amid a growing revolt in russia over putin's order to mobilize 300,000 reservists. more than 1300 people across russia have been detained in a crackdown over the anti-war protests. let' begin with nick paton walsh listen to the u.n. security council meeting, to tony blinken just now. neither the russian ambassador were in the room not present at the table today. >> not entirely surprising that they were choosing to not be on camera, have their reactions photographed or film while that lit any of russian abuses over the past six months was run
through by secretary blinken. and it is stark to listen to one man in one go, go through everything that ukraine has been through an the world has been through since russia chose to invade on the 24th of february. and the torture some of which we've reported on ourselves and the loss of civilian lives through bombing by russia, the dodge that has done to russia's standing, russia's people on one side and also too, to the world food markets and how they have it seems indiscriminately mined agriculture fields here as well so it is remarkable to have all of that spoken by secretary blinken there and i think it is a sign too that united states, despite the call for a partial mobilization yesterday, so far looking to be quite disastrous inside of russia itself and the increased nuclear threats from russia. it is stark to see that the united states's support for
ukraine does not appear to be changed because of that rhetoric. and in fact, he too echoed something said that ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy that only one man want this is war and that of course is vladimir putin. so a stark unity in messaging, but also a chilling reminder of what russia has done to ukraine since february. and the camp forgotten in all of the horrors and about the tens of thousands of ukraines uprooted and send to camps inside of russia for occupied areas. kats. >> thank you for your reporting. and there is also new evidence that the latest victories on the battlefield are putting real strain on russia's military. sources telling cnn that putin's military leaders are divided about how to respond to ukraine which has reclaimed significant territory in the recent weeks. cnn's katie lilis is live in washington. could you tell us what you're
hearing about your new reporting? >> reporter: for weeks we've watch ukraine with this counter offensive and there hasn't been a lot that russia has been able to do to push back on those ukrainian advances and part of the reason for this i'm hearing from my sources is that the russian military is really deeply divided here about what the strategy should be to try to counter ukraine's advances. where they should move troops to reinforce faltering front lines for example. we're even hearing that intelligence intercepts have picked up on russian officers on the front lines kind of bickering among themselves and complaining to friends and family members back home about the directions that they're receiving out of moscow. even more interesting, kate, what i'm learning is that russian president vladimir putin is also communicating directly with some of his generals in the field. which is really unusual for the commander-in-chief of any modern military, it speaks to a dysfunctional command structure
here. so i think you take all of this together, kate, and you have a russian military that is just still clearly struggling. not only with planning with leadership and logistics but with basic military kpland and control. >> thank you, katie. joining me for more is james spider marks anz matthew chance has reported from russia for more than a decade. matthew, i do want to ask you first about what we just heard from secretary of state tony blinken. very harsh words as mpw was laying out. but what do the words do? >> it is a good question. what i think they don't do is have an impact on russian policy and russian strategies such as it is. russia has become descent -- desensitized and immune over the last seven months in the way it
has conducted this campaign and it started several years before whenever russia was accused of wrongdoing around the world or malign activity and that was pointed out, they have adopted the same sort of stance of denial. just saying is not true and this is to make russia look bad. and you hear it now, despite the actual evidence of bodies being unearthed in mass graves. the russians will say, look, this is put there to fabrication these ideas that we committed atrocities and it is just not true and that is line that is spun to people on state television which is tightly controlled by the kremlin in russia and most people in russia get their news exclusively from those state propaganda channels. and which is why, i think, there has been so much sort of apathy or acceptance of this military operation in ukraine, what it calls a special military operation until the past 24 hour where's it has become real. >> yeah.
general, you're sitting here listening to the secretary of state with me as well. he said many things, that should be noted. but when he said if russia stops fighting sh the war ends. if ukraine stops fighting, ukraine ends. its a really -- that is a stark reality. >> welled. clearly what he said was spot on but it is to the rest of the world. russia could care less. what is takes place. and as matthew indicated, it is all about behaviors an the ground and russians will always come up with a counter narrative. so they will describe exactly through their filter what is taking place and so all of what the secretary is saying is nonsense to them and irrelevant. >> and it also shows the -- how important the international body is, the real limitations when you're staring down a immediate crisis. >> truly. and it is all about galvanizing the rest of the world. can russia be held accountable for this in the united nations
and president zelenskyy said their position should be invalidated with sanctions and a tribunal together to put their finger around what is going on. none of that will take place because russia opens that position in the security council and they have a very powerful veto voice. so they're not listening to what is taking place. >> matthew, i do want to ask you when you talk about the apathy seen so far within russia, but the protests in the street, lines of cars trying to get out of russia into finland, the prices for plane tikes skyrocketing following putin's announcement of calling up 300,000 reservists. after seven months, why is it now that this -- why is this moment, is this announcement pushing russians to the streets? >> well i think that is a great question. up until now people have been accepting of this military operation, this war in ukraine. because it is been largely
confined to their television screens. it is something that they watch. it is something that te listen to commentary about on state television. but suddenly, with the signature of vladimir putin and his announcement on television, it is come back home to them. it means that people who have perhaps been on the reserves for the extra money that gives them who didn't volunteer to go and fight in this war, are now being forced to go and fight in this war. and that is a very sobering realization, i imagine, if you're on the reserves or the wife or the daughter or the child of someone who is on the reserves. and what is interesting about these pictures, maybe not this one we're seeing right now, but a lot of people in the crowd are women. 51%, according to monitoring groups of the people who are protesting against this draft, against this war are women. they're the mothers, they're the wives, their the children as well. minors are being arrested. 51% of the arrests have been
women and children. and that is implying that is not just the men upset about this, it is their families. this was always going to be a very unpopular move by the kremlin to start drafting people to fill the depleted ranks of those in ukraine. there are gaps because those people have been killed. and just how unpopular we're only just now starting to see. >> yeah. and general, katie bell is reporting that vladimir putin is himself now giving direction to generals in the field now. when you hear that, what do you think? because what does that do on the battlefield and what does it say about thousand things are going? >> that is a great things are going. because it effects community of demand, by which you conduct military operations. for political ends certainly. but when you have the commander-in-chief, when you have putin saying we're going to
do x and he has commanders at multiple levels that say they are going to do y, now you have a frozen unit in the field waiting to figure out what they're going to do next because they're getting conflicting guidance. big problems in terms of command and control on the ground. >> thank you so much. coming up for us, a legal victory for the justice department in its criminal investigation of classified documents found in donald trump's home. the former president offering a new and unusual defense now. that is next. and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants. if they're not nervous, then i'm not going to be nervous. financially, i'm the flight attendant in that situation. the relief that comes over people once they know they've got a guide to help them through, i definitely feel privileged to be in that position. ♪ (vo) at viking, we are proud to have been named the world's number one for both rivers and oceans by travel and leisure, as well as condé nast traveler.
kate. >> it is great to see you, thank you. joining me now, is david k. johnston, a journalist who has covered donald trump for more than 30 years and paul rosen swag, from the whitewater investigation. thank you both. i want to get back to what evan perez was just reporting out. what do you think of the decision that the 11th circuit on the classified documents found at mar-a-lago. >> well, it is seem to be clearly right. it was unanimous decision by three judge panel including two trump judges and they issued less than a day after briefing was complete it seemed to be a pretty clear repudiation of judge cannon's analyst, at one point they said she had completely disregarded one of the factors that should there-v played in her decision. they pretty much rejected any suggestion that a president has any personal interest in
classified information. and they sort of mocked his inability to put forward evidence in the court that he had in fact declassified anything something that he responded to by saying he did it in his own mind. it is a full scale win for the department of justice that will now be able to conduct the investigation of the potential damage from the leak of classified information to an insecure location and then follow up with, if appropriate, criminal charges. >> so let me ask you something, you were just touching on was donald trump's new comments about whey sees as his power to de classify anything. this panel said something interesting i want to read about this whole question of declassification. they wrote at least for these purposes the declassification argument is a red herring because declassing an official dom would not change its content or render it personal. so even if we assumed that plaintiff, donald trump, did
classify some or all of the documents that would not explain why he has a person interest in them. what does that mean and what do you think of it? >> well it is exactly right. the potential crimes of the department of justice is investigating involve national defense information. classified and unclassified government information, what they're saying here is that trump's claim to the return of the documents turns on whether or not the documents are personal to him. his medical records for example, if they had been seized or maybe attorney/client privileged information. but classified information by its nature even if it is declassified still remains government information and not personal to the president of the united states. and he can't convert that even if his own mind just by saying so. >> david, the other legal problem that trump is now facing is this civil lawsuit brought by
the new york's attorney general alleging that he and some of his kids and his companies engaged in massive widespread and decades long fraud relating to his assets. you've covered him and his businesses for decades. what do you think this lawsuit could mean for them? >> well, letitia james, the elected attorney general of new york is trying to put the trump organization out of business. you and i as natural persons have a right to our life but a corporate, artificial person is a creature of the state. and what letitia james is seeking is that trump cannot do business in new york any more unless he does a sole proprietor, that is a direct ow owner without a corporate shield. he's presented strong evidence of fraud and has shown that donald was personally involved in the deceptions based on the testimony of others and documents that were presented to the grand jury.
or to -- or to the investigating agents. >> i want to play for you, david, how donald trump deefendd himself last night. listen to this. >> we have a disclaimer right on the front and it basically said, get your own people, you're at your own risk, this was done by management. it wasn't done by -- it was done by management. so don't rely on the statement that you're getting. >> david, it looks like he's trying to throw the banks who loaned him the money under the bus here. what do you think this means for what happens from here on out? >> well, the banks have behave add troeshly and not just with donald trump. there is problems here with bank behavior. but his disclaimer doesn't help him at all, particularly when in other documents he said the appraiser said this building is worth $527 million when in fact the appraiser said it was worth $200 million.
and the fundamental principle here is that fraud is a crime and you can't escape that by another fraud of saying well don't believe what i said to you. >> it is good to see you, david, thank you very much. and paul, thank you for being here. come up for us, violent protests in iran after the death avenue young woman arrested for violating country's dress code. we have new details on this next. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. (vo) a thin painted line. the only thing between you and a life-changing accident. but are these lines enough? a subaru with eyesight...
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and we're joined at this hour. jamana, what is happening there now. what more are you learning? >> reporter: well, kate, these protests about five or six days ago were parked by the death of the 22-year-old in of the custody of the morality police. what we've seen happen is the protests snowballed into something much more than that. you have thousands of protesters on the streets of dozens of cities from the kurdish northwest to the capital to tehran to more conservative cities like mashhad in these incredible images despite the attempts to throttle the internet in the country. just incredible images. never seen before on the scale of the country. you have women taking off their head scarves, burning them in defiance. their calling for rights that this generation of iranians has never had. and this is all happening and
continuing according to eyewitnesses on ground and these individual videos that are despite by the authorities to crack down violently on the protests. their very concerned bts excessive use of force amnesty international documenting the death of eight protesters and they say that authorities have been shooting directly at the demonstrators. speaking to iranians outside of the country they're hoping this could be a turning point for the country, the beginning of something there. but also they're very concerned about the potential bloody crackdown here, kate. >> absolutely. thank you for staying on top of it. joining me now is netta shargy, her brother has been unjustly imprisoned in iran for four years now. it is good to have you here. your family is from iran. this is why your brother originally was visiting there
now four years ago. what do you think when you see these images of women taking off their head scarves and protesting in the streets, chasing after the police even? >> it is heartbreaking and any time you hear news of anyone, you know, dealing with violence and going through such hardship and i was born if iran and i left at a very, very young age. but i, of course, i empathize with anyone who going through such hardship. and of course, i say to myself, in the middle of all of this, we have my brother who is still there after four and a half years, along with three other american citizens. and you know, the urgency to bring him home is even greater in my mind now. >> that is what i was going to ask you. whether you see this, it is almost like for the iranian people maybe there are hope and also tragedy in it of what they're seeing in these protests in the street, people standing up and a rising movement to
speak up after the death of this young woman. but what does this moment of turmoil, what do you think it means for your brother and the other americans? does it -- does it feel more urgent now than ever that you -- that action needs to be taken? >> i mean, i -- what it does is it makes me wonder why it is taken so long. i mean, our administration has said early on that bringing home our americans are a priority. that taking american hostages issing in that is unacceptable and president biden issued an executive order several months ago calling hostage taking of americans a national emergency. so it makes me wonder if they understand the issue and they want to do something about it, why they're not doing it. >> and that is why you came to new york. >> yeah. >> you came to new york to speak up during the u.n. meetings and
while leaders from around the world are all gathered here, including the president of the iran, you came to grab the attention of one person which is president biden. why did you need to come here to try to be heard? >> you know, i tried to emphasize the fact that i am an american. and the power i have, the only power i have is really to appeal to my president, to our president. and so i came to new york with my sister-in-law and his wife and his daughter and also with families of other wrongful de tainies who are part of our bring our family home campaign. and we, you know, sat in front of the president's hotel for a couple of hours just to catch his motorcade with our flag and we did a press conference yesterday in front of the u.n. because, you know, we are trying every which way we know to get his attention to have him meet with us and to really urge him to beg him to do whatever he
needs to do to address this humanitarian issue and bring our americans home. and you know, i think your viewers will notice final decals around the city with the faces of my brother and the others in iran and all of our american hostages. and this weekend will be projecting their images around new york city just to -- we're trying to be as loud as possible. >> so literally put a face to this. >> we had rallies in front of the white house and -- >> and you've asked for a face-to-face meeting from the president. you have heard anything from the white house? >> not on the face to-to-face meeting, no. and i think ultimately for us, that is -- that is the sort of signal we get that their planning to do somethingently and quickly. these are americans would are being taken because they're americans. no other reason. and it is important, i think i
mean, it is our patriotic duty to bring them home. because they were taken, only our american government could bring them home. >> sister and mother and american and now accidental activist to try to get your brother home. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for puttingoy spotlight on this issue. >> thank you so much. coming up for us, united airlines flight makes an emergency landing after a mechanical issue was causing sparks to fly. details still coming in. that is next. my name is joshua florence, and one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead.
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new this morning, a unite the airlines flight was forced to make an emergency landing after sparks were seen flying off the plane and debris fell from the aircraft just after takeoff. pete muntean is live in washington gathering information about what happened here. >> well thankfully a good out come. a test to the flight crew and the tron trollers and the 777-200 and flight 149 just after it took off from newark, video surfaces online where you could see a shower of sparks coming out of the plane landing gear is going up.
it was fully load and bound to brazil and then in the flight aware track here, but orbits over the atlantic ocean east of the jersey shore to burn off fuel, it is too heavy to come back in and land right away. after about an hour of that, the fight came back in, to newark, landed safely without incident, thankfully. 256 people on board not hurt but what is so interesting here is that united was pretty quickly able to determine that the source of the problem here. they say it was a problem with a pump in the hydraulic system. that is key because that is like the blood of the airplane. if runs some the landing gear and the flaps used to takeoff and landing and also the brakes. good news is that on the 777, there are three independent hydraulic systems. tripping redundancy. so two of the systems could fail and the plane could still fly normally. one of the reasons why there was a good out come in all of this really no big deal after this
plane came in and back and landed. we're still waiting to hear from united when the passengers will make it to brazil. it seems like they'll bling in another plane to do that. >> you think so. thank you very much. >> coming up for us, two people trying to bring their community and the world together really through the power of music. victor blackwell is joining us next with his champions for change. some days, it felt like asthma was holding me back. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple... with trelegy. with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler,... it's the only once-daily treatment for adults that takes triple action against asthma symptoms. trelegy helps make breathing easier,... improves lung function,... and lasts for 24 hours. go triple...
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champions for change, cnn's week long series bringing you extraordinary people working every day to change lives and make the world a better place. music is often a part of -- a part of major movements but can it be the start of one? my colleague, victor blackwell, introduces all of us to two musicians who are trying to bring the world together through the power of song. ♪ >> music is so powerful, if you ever want to understand people, a place, a time, listen to their music. >> music as a universal language is just a fantastic force to bring people together. >> todd has been doing this for more than a decade now. his organization, music in common, is evolved into creating these conversations through
music. ♪ this little light of mine ♪ >> going city to city to bring different races and different religions together. ♪ >> i started in response to the murder of my friend, daniel pearl, the wall street journal reporter. we were band mates and friends. it was a call to action to me to combat the hate that led to his murder. >> how did you meet trey? >> he was one of our program participants about six years ago. it's been spectacular to see him rise in the organization. trey is the poster child for gen z, simultaneously young at heart and wise beyond his years. i learn from this guy every day. >> for someone so young to live along in atlanta and absorb and
appreciate the history around him, to try to ease some of the suffering across this country, it's admirable. >> so to be able to share the home of king, the home of congressman john lewis, it gives us inspiration and direction for us to build a world where we embody more equity and belonging. >> they in 2020 saw the problem the entire world saw and said, what can we do with our talents? with our love, with our passion of music and this problem that we need to face? >> so we thought how can we bring what music in common does to engage in this context? there are songs written by black and white folks alike throughout the 400-year history of race relations in the u.s. ♪ we shall overcome ♪ >> that are -- they still ring true today. and that became the grounds for the black legacy project.
we will travel to communities, spread word about the round tables, engage in this heeling dialogue where they can recognize their shared humanity. using these historic songs as a talking point to do so. and from that, those conversations have local black and white artists create present day interpretations of those songs. ♪ >> and co-write an original about how we can move forward. and then the project culminates with a show case of the songs. >> the black legacy project. >> and that is something that we promote to the entire community so people of all backgrounds can come and see. ♪ ♪ it's about hope ♪ >> this is a really innovative way to approach topics difficult to talk about and through those conversations bring about
change. ♪ ♪ rise up ♪ >> but you are musicians. you have used what you have to try and change and improve race relations in this country. what's the message for them? >> we have a five-word motto, music can change the world. and i think that's the answer. >> cnn's victor blackwell is here. it's good to see you. >> like wise. >> thank you for bringing this. we were talking in the piece how it's so nice -- i didn't see it beforehand so i can learn more about it. i love how you said that they start new conversations through music but they're also creating new music. beyond reimaging the songs of the past, the musicians get together and write new music so those songs become part of the history of race relations in the cities they visit, they've been to the berkshires, the ozarks,
denver last week. l.a. is next. atlanta, i lived there nine years there's good music in atlanta. the project is moving around the country. >> i never lived in atlanta, i think i can attest we think there's good music in atlanta. >> there is. >> i noticed you didn't test out your musical abilities. >> i played the flute -- >> you did? >> yes. >> so did i? >> because it was a small case. >> that's the same reason. i was not going to be one of the tuba guys, i'm putting it in my backpack. >> thank you, victor, appreciate it. we'll share more of these stories all throughout the week and coming together for a one-hour champions for change special this saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. thank you for being here, i'm kate bolduan. "inside politics" with john king starts after this. when they do? i love it when work actually works! i just booked this parking spot... this desk...
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