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witnesses from a criminal grand jury. >> and hurricane fiona takes aim at canada while another storm takes forms and could be headed for the united states. welcome to "the lead," i'm pamela brown in for jake tapper on this day. we stop with a secret court battle be waged by donald trump's lawyers. sources are saying the attorneys for the former president are fighting to keep witnesses from testifying before a federal grand jury about trump's te tee attempts to overturn the election. our reporters, evan and caitlin, broke this story today. tell us more about this legal fight. what exactly are trump's lawyers arguing here? >> because it's secret right
now, we don't know exactly what they're going to be arguing, but it is a fight that is before a judge in the federal court in d.c. it is because there are grand jury proceedings where they're trying to get information close to trump, things that happened in the white house, say, on january 6th or before them, maybe things that attorneys were advising him or that he was saying to lawyers around him who were working with him or talking to him about his wish to overturn the election. and generally when you're looking at something like this, what we know, what evan and i and zach cohen have been able to confirm here is this is a fight over privilege. when we say that, that means that donald trump could be arguing a lot of different things trying to protect the information around him. he could be arguing executive privilege, attorney/client privilege and what that is generally is throwing up roadblocks for investigators so that they're going to have to go to court and get a court order if they want access to that information that is closest to trump. >> why is it secret, evan?
>> everything in the grand jury is secret until they decide whether to bring charges. our team has been following this very, very closely and we saw some of this activity pick up several weeks ago after some of the witnesses went in. we knew that some of them had cited the former president's claim of executive privilege and attorney/client privilege to decline to answer questions and we've seen attorneys, tom windham who is running on the efforts to overturn the election and we've also seen the trump lawyers going in. that is why we've been trying to figure out exactly what this is and now we have. >> and now you have. so what's next is the big question, right? >> yeah, for the justice department, they want to get these guys to come in and answer questions these are some of the closest aides to the former president, including the former white house council, pat
cipollone, pat sylvan. if they can get through that, then they can learn a lot more about what the former president was doing, how involved he was in some of these efforts to essentially discard the results of the election and keep him in the white house. that's the goal here. and, look, there's some people who can be facing charges, not only president but some involved in what effort. >> and we know some of the president's former staffers have already testified in front of the grand jury, kaitlin, including the former white house council. walk us through who we know has testified in front of the grand jury so far. >> there's quite a few. eric kirshman, they want to ask him questions and there's four others. pat cipollone, pat phil bin, mak short, greg jacob. they all went into the grand jury in recent weeks and certainly questions could not
answer because donald trump wanted to claim privileges over them. on top of that, there's lots of things happening in this investigation where other people could be affected as witnesses by how this plays out, what the court ultimately decide here, especially lawyers who were working with donald trump. we know that there were at least two lawyers who work with trump who have had their phones seized, epstein and john eastman. so a lot of the ability of the justice department to get to information may hinge around this fight. >> and i know you will be covering this fight for sure. thank you so much. we appreciate it. joining me is former white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. you're a former lawyer, you also worked in the trump administration. you can provide unique insight here. do you have think trump's attorneys have a case here? >> thanks for having me. probably. it's very unclear. there's a bunch of different privileges here. the attorney/client privilege is
different from executive privilege. attorney general is harder to overcome. the executive privilege is very murky. it's not clear as to whose privilege it is to invoke. folks, when i went to go testify before the january 6th committee, the committee got a letter from the biden administration waiving executive privilege for me. i think your previous interview just did a raeally good job of explaining a lot of the variables. p pat cipollone and pat philbin. it's a very, very confusing sort of morass of privileges. they're all very important. you can imagine the seriousness
of getting into what a client says to an attorney, into advice people gave the president inside the oaf oval office. doesn't surprised me to see them litigated to the nth degree. >> the white house you know how close they were to the president, day in, day out. if d.o.j. prevails here, what do you think the importance of their testimony would be? >> well, i don't know what they're going to say because i wasn't there but i will tell you this is that both mr. cipollone and mr. philbin, despite we may have differences on policy, i would defend their integrity 20%. these are very, very helpful gentlemen. if they provide testimony that would help the president, that would carry weight and if it hurt the president it would
carry weight as well. the lawyers he had, emmitt flood, ty cobb, really, really credible. >> there were disagreements between you and pat cipollone. you made clear there were policy differences but you could attest to his cred ibt and integrity. i want to talk about another one of the major trump investigations. a special master reviewing documents seized from mar-a-lago ordered trump's lawyers to back up his claims that the fbi planted evidence at his florida resort. so this seems to put them in a tough spot, either sign a sworn declaration that evidence was planted or not, basically admitting trump lied. >> it's very interesting to me as a form are lawyer and trump insider and someone who worked in the west wing, this is where we're starting to see the bright lines drawn between politics and
public relations and the stuff that really, really matters and that's the law and criminal charges. so what you've seen a special master it do this week is a couple different things, which is i've heard you folks in the trump team say you have declassified these documents. it's time to put up or shut up. have you actually done that? and if so, i want court filings backing that . sim similarly he's gone to them and said it's time to put up or shut up. going on tv or a network interview isn't the same thing as saying it to a court. a special master getting involved in this case, agreed to by trump and the d.o.j. is separating noise and p.r. and bright shiny objects from the stuff that really matters. you can lie on tv but you can't lie on court. >> both sides agreed but it was
trump's team that actually suggested him in the first place. so it is notable. >> i want to ask you before we let you go about the january 6th committee. it is returning for a hearing next week and ahead of that you tweeted, quote, nothing screams greatest threat to our democracy in 150 years like taking six weeks off for vacation. now, the committee says they've been interviewing more witnesses during this time, they've been giving information turned over from the secret service. why do you think that's not a legitimate investigation? the department of justice investigation is real. do this very credibility challenges, yes. but they're still the department of justice and fbi. january 6th is a bunch of elected official ps ts, they're
legisla legislating and getting reelected. there as no way you could make a case they're unbiased people. have they brought forth interesting evidence? yes, they have. it certainly had value but they always struggled from a credibility standpoint because they hate donald trump and the hearing is designed to make him look bad. i think it's common sense to say this has been the greatest threat ever to the history of our nation and we're going to go away for suix weeks. if i said you can send me a freedom of information act to ask where i've been for six weeks, you can't do that with congress because they're outside of foia. i think it incumbent on them to tell us why they haven't had a hearing in eight weeks now.
>> we will be asking them. we noted earlier they had been putting to the information, talking to witnesses and trying to build a case for this next hearing. i appreciate you offering your opinion on this. thanks for your time tonight. >> up next, the economic warning science flagged today. what they mean for your money and big name brands on your shopping list. and jake tapper in an exclusive u.s. interviews with the new british prime minister liz truss. her take on the global economy and what needs to happen immediately. y >> plus, hurricane fiona and what weather experts s say wille an extreme weather event on canada's coast. what about managing gains and d losses to be e more tax efficient? not a wizard either. looks like schwab personalized indexing can.
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inflation and what the federal reserve will have to do to get inflation back down. this summer there was hope that maybe inflation would calm down enough to allow the federal reserve stop slamming the brakes on economy. that was wishful thinking. and jay powell promised to do whatever it takes to get inflation under control. the concern is that the fed is going to overdo it and accidentally push the economy into recession. that's why we saw the down fall down almost 2%. at one point the dow was down 800 points and on the verge of closing in a bear market for the first time since march 2020. these losses, of course, are wiping out college savings plans, 401(k)s. hopefully the gloom and doom on wall street is overdone.
maybe the fed can get the economy under control. to us, this seems like driving at 75 miles per hour but not knowing which way the road will turn. an accident seems inevitable. p pamela, let's hope not. >> not knowing which way the road will turn. as we know, uncertainty is what drives anxiety. you're seeing that play out on wall street. gas prices of ticking up ever so slightly after 98 days of falling prices. what's going on? help us understand this. >> the national average is ticking up $3.69. that is well below the peak at $5.02. oil prices plunging 5% today. the good news is that should drive down oil prices. the bad news is oil prices are down because of those same
recession fears. >> all right, matt egan, thanks so much. >> the u.k.'s news government led by liz truss says had will borrow money to cut taxes and subsidize energy bills and it gets rid of a cap on bankers' bonuses. plus people on welfare benefits will be asked to step up their job searches or risk having their benefits reduced. opposition politicians are slamming this new proposal calling it a plan to reward the wealthy. jake tapper spoke exclusively with the new prime minister liz truss. >> your government unveiled a tax proposal that would reverse plans to raise the corporate tax
rate and you proposed listing the cap on bonuses for bank executives. in the u.s. president biden is taking a very different approach and has a view on economic measures. he tweeted this week, "i am sick and tired of trickle down economics, it has never worked, we're build an economy from the bottom up and middle out." president biden in essence saying he thinks your approach doesn't work. the opposition in parliament says you're recklessly running up the deficit and turning your back on so-called compassionate conservatism. >> i don't really accept the premise of the question at all. the u.k. has one of the lowest levels of debt in the g-7 but we have one of the highest level of taxes. currently we have a 70-year high in our tax rates. what i'm determined to do as prime minister and what the chancellor is determined to do is make sure we are incentivizing businesses to
invest and also helping ordinary people with their taxes. and that's why they feel it's right to have higher national insurance and higher corporation tax because that will make it harder for us to attract the investment we need in the u.k., it will be harder to generate those new jobs. and i want the u.s. economy to be successful as well, i want the european economy to be successful as well. i want freedom loving democracies to succeed and one of the things that we're doing here on u.k. is moving forward on our infrastructure programs, road building, broad band, mobile telephones. and i know that is what the administration in the u.s. is doing as well. but of course, we all need to decide what the tax rates are in our own country, but my view is we absolutely need to be incentivizing growth at what is a very, very difficult time for
the local economy. we've also put in place a package of measures to support consumers with energy prices, to make sure that nobody is having to pay more than 2,500 pounds on their bills, which is very important as well. >> and you can see more of jake's interview with prime minister liz truss on cnn's state of the union sunday morning at 9:00 eastern and again at noon eastern right here on cnn. up next, putin's new power move. his latest attempts to steal parts of ukraine without firing a single weapon. team's devices.nage your on the network with more 5g coverage. only from t-momobile for business.
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sfl . in a move illegal under international law, putin's forces are forcing ukrainians to vote on about 18% of ukraine's land. some tell c nn armed russian soldiers are going house to house with ballot boxes. women are desperate to spare their husbands, and sons from putin's bloody trenches. >> reporter: as russia forces a fake choice in a sham vote, unoccupied ukrainians elsewhere, this couple makes a deadly choice of their own. they must brave the shelling to
go and get food. >> they've heard of russia's stage referendums here but moscow makes itself felt here with artillery rather than imposing a ballot, likely having entered the city's east. streets and a strange quiet, as if in the eye of a storm where nobody is in control. they will still have to fight their way in. a sign of how things are changing fast here. ukrainian forces have blown the bridge in the middle of city in the last day or so. russian forces getting close. >> the people left ask us not to film the outside of shelters as the russians will target them and they've already gone underground as much as they can. >> some of these things are
being taken from buildings being bombed. a lot of people want the back of their head filmed, possibly because they're concerned in the days ahead they may be under russian control. >> reporter: he tells me perhaps 20,000 people are still hiding out here but there's no real way to know. the choice russia imposes on ukrainians here is spending nights underground and scurrying between shelter. days of hot words from putin haven't cooled ukraine's advance, though. the threat of nuclear annihilation carries slightly less horror here on the road to this liberated town. ten days ago russia was kicked out of here after heavy fighting. even the russian orthodox church has collapsed. the devastation seems almost spur of the moment.
announcements in moscow about partial mobilization haven't really changed the dynamic here of an army that feels it's moving forward. >> they heard about russia's mobilization and nuclear bombombast here, too. it will have a role, he says, but you'll need to train and arm people but you've destroyed most of their armor. there's nothing worse that nuclear war but you must understand, these decisions aren't taken by one person and we see in russia not everyone supports these moves. this liberated road is where the next region begins, ukraine already taking back the places putin made central to his goals and where fake ballot boxes and absurd claims of official russian sovereignty cannot change who owns and who scarred the land.
>> the farsical nature of people walking around door to door asking people for their volts a votes and one station had ten people turn up. likely the middle of next week we'll see russia come forward and claim there's been some sort of resounding mandate for these areas becoming part of their territory. that may enable them to perhaps change their strategy on the battlefield perhaps. i should point out one startling image that's struck a core with many ukrainians watching russian brutality unfold and that's the before-and-after picture of a man known as the pianist. you can see him there injured during the defense of that and after months of captivity,
tortured, it seems heavily suffering from malnutrition. >> it's so hard to see that picture. glad he's back with his family. and back here in the united states, a return, more than 100 days in the making. this is the first photo of two american veterans returning to u.s. soil after being held as prisoners in russia. volunteers were captured during the battle of northeastern ukraine. even after being detained, both men tell their families they have no regrets about going over to fight with the ukrainians. >> and up next, risking their lives in boats made of old surf boards. what is driving them to make it to u.s.s. shores? as a day so we fit your schedule.
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york mayor addams says they are opening emergency shelters as the city tries to cope with the 300 and 400 refugees arriving every day. how many of these temporary centers is the city opening? >> at least two so far, pamela. now the plan is to open one at first in the bronx, which would typically be for adult asylum seekers and the plan would be to open a second one to be able to serve entire families of asylum seekers. the city is very quickly having to reassess and adapt anywhere to 300 to 400 asylum seekers a day arriving in new york city and that is a combination of those who come here on their own and those taking up offers from republican governors for a free ride north. that's where these shelters that were announced will kick in
according to the city. these are soft-sided, tent-like structure. the city released a few images and they are hopefully by pass be the port authority and quickly offering things like food, clothing and temporary housing but emphasis on temporary. the plan would be to quickly move them out of a more permanent housing situation. that is the beginning of the next challenge here as they try to fit these people in a system that's already practically full to the brim out of the rough 13 asylum seekers that have turned to this new york city for shelter assistance, 10,000 still remain. as you can imagine, this is still coming with criticism as advocates are calling on them to sort of reassess, especially for the families that may end up in for congregate settings.
>> and they say the number of people arriving by boats has grown. >> take a look at that one boat that's washed up to shore. >> reporter: a grim reality out at sea, migrants relying on makeshift boats to get to the sea. >> it's not uncommon to see two and three different ventures in the course of fi hours. >> reporter: they've made the highest number of cuban migrants interceptions since the 1990s. so far this fiscal year, border authorities have encountered nearly 6,000, up from over 1,000 last year. >> we're seeing more individuals on not so seaworthy vessels
putting a significant amount of those individuals at very dangerous risk for loss of life. >> vessels include surf boards tied together and boats with limited provisions and no navigation system for what is a day's long journey. for years cubans have been fleeing the island but recent unrest has pushed them to leave. they are hiring additional staff to meet the demands of cubans arriving from florida. >> they're not agreeing with local and communist policy of the island. >> reporter: patrols here are complicated by the varying terrain. and it's not just cubans they're looking for. officials are also grappling
with an increasing number of haitian migrants. more than a hundred people traveled on this vessel from haiti, a journey that can take about a week. if you look, you can see the clothes and snacks left behind on what is a makeshift sail boat. >> we're all working with finite resources. and as we encounter these individuals, you don't know who is on that boat. it takes our agents time to bring them into our custody, make sure that they're healthy and that they're clean and that they're fed and safe and then identify exactly who they are. >> administration officials concede the jump in cuban migration, not only at sea but at the u.s. border poses a challenge. the administration said the u.s.
embassy is preparing. >> it can be very sad depending the condition you find these people in. >> the biggest concern now is hurricane season and the danger that poses to migrants. >> understanding. what an eye-opening report. priscilla, thanks for that reporter. >> just new into cnn. the biggest names in entertainment and more. tyler perry is talking about why he kept his madea series for so long. >> i've always been uncomfortable in that suit but the audience loves it so much. >> what he and others are telling chris wallace, up next.
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in our pop lead, the question everyone is asking, who's talking to chris wallace. in the new series, chris speaks with some of the biggest names in news, politics and entertainment. this time it's retired supreme court justice steven breyer and what he really thinks about the supreme court turning over the landmark decision roe v. wade case. >> you had a bad final year, abortion, guns, power of the e.p.a. to regulate the climate. you were on the losing side. was that frustrating to you to lose important case after important case?
>> yes. >> reporter: but how frustrating? >> very frustrating. >> reporter: when the court undoes a right that people have lived with for half a century, doesn't that very much shake the authority of the court? >> did i like this dobbs decision? of course i didn't. of course i didn't. was i happy about it? not for an instant. did i do everything i could to persuade people? of course. of course. but there we are and now we go on and we try to get -- it's a little corny what i think but i do think it. >> let's bring in the man himself, cnn's chris wallace. chris, congratulations. >> thank you. >> let's talk about this. it's really actually remarkable from my point of view as someone who has covered the supreme court for many years to see just
how forthright justice breyer was about that dobbs decision. did that surprise you? >> yes. supreme court justices, even retired supreme court justices don't talk this way. and on a number of issues i thought that breyer, he is retired, was remarkably forthright. i mean, his real distress about the dobbs decision, his frustration. he was on the court for 28 years and he contrasted the previous 27 to this last, the 28th, the final year in which he said, you know, that he lost a number of cases and he really didn't like it and he really tried and i think he thinks the court has begun to go in a different direction from where it had been over the previous almost three decades. >> you can tell watching that, like when you brought up dobbs, it still gets to him. so you interview justice breyer
and then actor tyler perry. he revealed something very surprising to you. let's watch. >> i've always been extremely uncomfortable in that suit and playing the character, but the audience loves it so much, i was going to do it for one little scene on stage and the lead character didn't show up. so the character got bigger and bigger every night and that's where it all started. i'm not denying that it's great and funny, i enjoy it. but, again, i have to disassociate that's actually me. >> for somebody who is a little embarrassed, you've been playing her for 15, how many years? >> yeah, 2009, i think. but here's the thing. the audience won't let it go. even the last time i did it, i said, i'm not doing it anymore. and then the world goes upside down, we have a new president. so i wanted to make people laugh. so i said, what do i have? pull her out, put the movie on netflix. it's number one everywhere. okay, yeah.
but the minute people stop coming to see her, that old broad is dead. she's dead, for sure. >> the old broad can't die. people are going to keep coming. >> i was very uncomfortable because i thought of how madea would react. this was the biggest surprise to me in this interview. he's done about a dozen of these movies. they really made tyler perry tyler perry, and he wouldn't even watch the clips. he was so uncomfortable with them. and i think while on the one hand he loves what they did for him and very much appreciates how much the audience loves her, he's going on. he's got a new movie on netflix that dropped today called "a jazz man's blues". it's a wonderful movie, got a very good review today in the "new york times." and i think he thinks he's grown past her. but let me tell you, madea is not going anywhere.
>> the audience loves made away too much. but what you said sums up his many talents. we're going to learn more in your show and we want to know who else is going to be on there and who is talking. >> every week we'll have three interviews. they'll drop on hbo max on friday, the third interview of shania twain, the country music superstar, we talk about her ups and downs, tremendous success in the music business. lost her voice from lyme disease and in the middle of that, her husband leaves her. i said to her, your life would make a pretty good country music song. next week we've got alex rodriguez, the week after that mark cuban. henry winkler we've done. james patterson, the best-selling writer in america. the joy of being able to do politics, business, sports, entertainment, culture, this is my dream job. >> understandably. i've got to say, i'm a little
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which has strengthened once again to a category 4 storm. and you can see its effect on the waves as it passed bermuda today and these images, it could be the strongest storm ever to hit canada. meanwhile, florida is already bracing for a potential hurricane. jennifer gray is in the cnn weather center. what do we know about hurricane fiona's potential impact on the canadian coast? >> pamela, canadians are going to start feeling fiona as we speak and conditions will begin to deteriorate between now and midnight, and then really getting bad by the time we get into the morning hours. you can see some of the outer bands already starting to reach nova scotia. winds of 125 miles per hour, gusts of 155. this is moving incredibly fast, 40 miles per hour. already seeing rain across nova scotia, especially on the central and eastern half. this is going to slow down dramatically once it make landfall and it will batter the
region. we're going to see significant wave heights, 6 to 8 feet of storm surge, plus 25 to 40 foot waves just off the coast of vnoa scotia. >> everyone is watching the tropical depression headed toward the gulf coast as well. >> this is forecast to become a major storm impacting florida. right now still a tropical depression moving at about 15 miles per hour. we've got very warm water in the gulf of mexico, so this is going to be a ripe environment for the storm to thrive and intensify very quickly. we already have a hurricane watch for cayman islands, a tropical storm watch for jamaica. this could be a category 1 storm as it crosses over cuba, strengthening quickly into the gulf of mexico. this could have winds of 115 miles per hour when it lands in florida next week. we're going to be watching it closely. >> there's a lot to watch, jennifer gray, thank you so
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